These are the names of Vietnam through time in Vietnam, I don't know how the Chinese call it, but here it goes...

2879 B.C. = Xích Quỷ (Kinh Dương Vương, Lạc Long Quân)
2879 B.C. = Văn Lang (Họ Hồng Bàng)

257 B.C. = Âu Lạc (Thục Dynasty)
207 B.C. = Nam Việt (Triệu Dynasty)

111 B.C. = Giao Chỉ (Chinese)*

40 A.D. = Trưng Vương (Trưng Trắc, Trưng Nhị) revolt against Chinese domination

43 A.D. = Giao Chỉ (Chinese)*
203 A.D. = Giao Châu (Chinese)*

248 A.D. = Triệu Nữ Vương revolt against Chinese domination

504 A.D. = Vạn Xuân (early Lý Dynasty)

602 A.D. = Giao Châu (Chinese)*
679 A.D. = An Nam (Chinese)*

939 A.D. = Đại Việt (Ngô Dynasty)
968 A.D. = Đại Cồ Việt (Đinh Dynasty)
980 A.D. = Đại Cồ Việt (early Lê Dynasty)
1008 A.D. = Đại Cồ Việt (later Lý Dynasty)
1054 A.D. = Đại Việt (later Lý Dynasty)
1225 A.D. = Đại Việt (early Trần Dynasty)
1400 A.D. = Đại Ngu (Hồ Dynasty)
1407 A.D. = Đại Việt (later Trần Dynasty)

1413 A.D. = An Nam (Chinese)*

1427 A.D. = Đại Việt (later Lê Dynasty)

1527 A.D. = Civil War between Mạc Dynasty and Lê Dynasty
1676 A.D. = Civil War between Mạc Dynasty and Lê Dynasty ends

1570 A.D. = Trịnh Lords take control of north Đại Việt
1600 A.D. = Nguyễn Lords take control of south Đại Việt

1778 A.D. = Đại Việt (Rise of Nguyễn Tây Sơn Dynasty)

1777 A.D. = Nguyễn Lords looses control of south Đại Việt to Nguyễn Tây Sơn Dynasty
1786 A.D. = Trịnh Lords looses control of north Đại Việt to Nguyễn Tây Sơn Dynasty

1789 A.D. = Nguyễn Tây Sơn under Emperor Quang Trung Nguyễn Huệ unites Đại Việt
1789 A.D. = Later Lê Dynasty ends
1801 A.D. = Nguyễn Tây Sơn Dynasty falls

1802 A.D. = Việt Nam (Nguyễn Dynasty)
1838 A.D. = Đại Nam (Nguyễn Dynasty)

1945 A.D. = Việt Nam (Democratic Republic of North Việt Nam)
1954 A.D. = Geneva Conference splits Việt Nam in half at the 17th Parallel
1954 A.D. = Việt Nam (Republic of South Việt Nam)

1969 A.D. = Tết Offensive (Tết Mậu Thân)
1973 A.D. = U.S. completely withdraws all combattan troops
1975 A.D. = North Việt Nam unites with South Việt Nam

1991 A.D. = U.S. lifts economic trade embargo on Việt Nam
2004 A.D. = Việt Nam becomes the second highest GDP in Asia after China


Have fun!

Nice work Dai Viet..




1802 A.D. = Việt Nam (Nguyễn Dynasty)

Interesting note.. During this dynasty, the Nguyen sent a diplomat to China to talk about Vietnam's new name. The originally name they had in mind was Nam Viet, but the Chinese refuse to accept that name so the Nguyen changed it to Viet Nam..

Dai Viet,

You forgot 1954-1975 = Republic of Viet Nam (South Viet Nam). =)

Exactly right. They didn't want to misinterpret it as Nam Việt of Triệu Đà, which consisted of the entire south China.


Oops, yah...

Are they afraid of the Viet gonna reclaim South China that's why they refuse the accept that name?

Yup, they learned the lessons from Emperor Quang Trung Nguyen Hue.

Consisted of the entire South China? I think you take South China as a very small place. You can try to 'reclaim' South China if you have the ability.

Dude, we don't want south China anymore. South China is considered history to us now. And you do know that south China was part of Thuc Dynasty and Trieu Dynasty. South China is full of Chinese right now, if we took it, then where would those Chinese go?

And I have nothing against Chinese so far in this topic, so don't start it.


P.S. Drunkenmonkey, I like your signature, that's Hưng Đạo Đại Vương Trần Quốc Tuấn, right?

Trieu Da was a Chinese General called Zhou Tuo who created Nanyue. It's not suprising that parts of China would be under his rule.

But he took it from Au Lac (Thuc Dynasty), and Au Lac took it from Ho Hong Bang.

Didn't Trieu Da assimilated into the Viet culture?


and What happened to the north Yue did they assimilate into the han culture?

The Hong Bang dynasty was located around Tonkin. Ho Hong Bang never fought Chinese to earn his land, he had some sparse control over some Viet tribes or people living in Guangdong and Gungxi.The Warring States and Qin dynasty were located in Central and East China, while the South remained relatively independent scattered regions under no particular rule.

I think Trieu Da was a Qin general. The Qin collapsed after 15 years of rule and the Hans took over. Certainly he became an enemy of the Hans so the Chinese connection was cut off.

Yes...

No, Hong Bang Dynasty consisted all the lands south of Dong Dinh Ho (some large lake in the middle of China, don't know the Chinese name).

The "Hung Era" is rightly termed "legendary" by most historians inasmuch as no eighteen kings or generations could have spanned the nearly two millennia of prehistoric development in the Tonkin delta. Possibly, the Dong Son period was related to HUNG VUONG dynasty because the displacement of the economic and social leadership of primitive agricultural practices by a monarchial apparatus responsible for the building and maintenance of an irrigation system of dykes and canals, providing against nature's vagaries of drought as well as floods caused by excessive rise in the water level of the rivers.
Taken from: http://www.viettouch.com/hist/


If you don't even know the official name of the lake nor its location, I doubt you can aruge against my claim that Hong Bang dynasty's extent was situated around the Guld of Tonkin and reached only parts of 2 Chinese provinces and not the entire Southern China.

I will find the name of that lake. Eventhough Hong Bang era is considered legendary, but most Vietnamese would think of them as our ancestors.

i found this..



http://saigonline.com/articles/vacets11.html

But what is the evidence that the Hong Dynasty controlled these areas? Also did they control the entire provinces or small areas of each province? Also how strong was their control, considering they claimed an area that was inhabited by Chinese? And what historical impact, if there was any, did they leave for those provinces?

Dai Viet, I think I found your lake: Dong Ting.

something interesting..

http://www.hawaii.edu/cseas/pubs/vietnam/v....html#exercises




What do you think the answer is?

The right answer is C. Check the answers on that website.

Yup, that's the lake. Thank you.

That's excellent work DAI_VIET. i was just thinking about making a topic like this.

That may be the lake. But there is no evidence to prove that the Hong Bang included that area. Also the Chu Kingdom's territory covers well into the lake as seen on the Warring States map. Hong Bang didn't control half of the Chu Kingdom.

Chinese civilization started in the area around Beijing. Chu Kingdom did not go as far as Hong Bang, also, the Vietnamese in south China did extend all the way to that lake. I am very sure I've read it somewhere that there are still altars and temples dedicated to the legendary Hong Bang kings in that area.

Here's the myth (yes, it is a myth, you don't have to believe it). Around 3000 B.C. or something like that, a powerful diety (probably Farm King, but I don't know his name in Vietnamese or Chinese) divided his kingdom in half to his two sons. The older brother went north and created the Chinese civilization. The younger brother (Loc Tuc, known as Kinh Duong Vuong) took the south. The separation point was this lake, and every year, the two nations would come together to this lake and worship their ancestors. I can guarantee you that if you ever visited this lake, you will find information about this myth. I am pretty sure I read it somewhere.

Take it or not, it's your choice. I really don't believe in it, but it's interesting how you can connect the two civilizations together.

Chinese civilization didn't start in the area around Beijing. It was around the Yellow River basin. Also, by Qin dynasty, the Chinese civilization has been around for at least around 2,000 years.



All I can say is "nice story"

Haha.. Chinese civilization started around the Wei River and evetually the Yellow and Yangtze. Obviously you haven't been reading your history as ancient Chinese dynasties had most political control in Central China. Beijing started to be influencial when the Yuan Mongols took power.

Thanks for giving me the option of disagreeing. I've never heard such a story nor do I believe it.

You need to add more. general Chinese civilization had two origins. Dongyi started from modernday Hebei and Inner Mongolia. While Huaxia started from yellow river basin of Shaanxi. Eventually these two tribes were culturally assimilated into one.

anyone know the meaning of "viet nam"
is it the vietnamese of the south?