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Rock a little
i heard at least 2000 kanjis are needed.

and 6000 kanjis to pass the 汉字鉴定test

do i need to restudy kanjis(for a chinese person)?
FrenchVanillaNYC
The Japanese government recommends 1,945 characters as a guideline.
Glory
Talk about kanji how many ppl do find kanji is easy?
FrenchVanillaNYC
It's easier when you know radicals.
kyosak
Kanji is so annoying. -_-;
kpjoon
i hate kanji
kpjoon
i hate kanji
Rock a little
QUOTE (kpjoon @ Sep 26 2005, 07:41 PM)
i hate kanji
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QUOTE (kpjoon @ Sep 26 2005, 07:41 PM)
i hate kanji
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wow douable post for saying you hate kanji.

why would you hate it sure.gif you are not chinese or japanese
kpjoon
It was lag.

What? Can I not hate Kanji?
Does it matter what nationality I am?
Why do I hate it?
Because I don't like memorizing all these complicated chinese characters.
I know it's essential especially if you want to learn Japanese but I still hate it.
FrenchVanillaNYC
Radicals make the world go round. icon_redface.gif
They help.
meiki
I hate maths, cause it´s difficult

this is just an example, I actually good at it


so you hate kanji, cause your brains wouldn´t handle that, isn´t?
康师傅
for me kanji is easiest part in japanese...
kpjoon
^Well that's because you're Chinese.
Do you know all the Kanji with their japanese pronounciations or do you just know the character?
Suijen
Writing Chinese characters is fun.
mugi-kun
dont like kanji either embarassedlaugh.gif

FrenchVanillaNYC should know this well about me embarassedlaugh.gif

i bring shame to half/full japanese people out there, i apologize embarassedlaugh.gif
Rock a little
QUOTE (kpjoon @ Sep 27 2005, 06:09 PM)
^Well that's because you're Chinese.
Do you know all the Kanji with their japanese pronounciations or do you just know the character?
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pronounciation would not be so hard since many of the kanjis have retained its originaly chinese pronounciations.
kpjoon
That's good to know
but what I wanted to know was if he was able to recite all Kanji in Japanese since he did say that it was the easiest part.
supernovasp
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 27 2005, 09:01 PM)
QUOTE (kpjoon @ Sep 27 2005, 06:09 PM)
^Well that's because you're Chinese.
Do you know all the Kanji with their japanese pronounciations or do you just know the character?
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pronounciation would not be so hard since many of the kanjis have retained its originaly chinese pronounciations.
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Well a lot of time they are also in native Japanese reading
Rock a little
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 27 2005, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 27 2005, 09:01 PM)
QUOTE (kpjoon @ Sep 27 2005, 06:09 PM)
^Well that's because you're Chinese.
Do you know all the Kanji with their japanese pronounciations or do you just know the character?
*

pronounciation would not be so hard since many of the kanjis have retained its originaly chinese pronounciations.
*


Well a lot of time they are also in native Japanese reading
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there are two ways for reading kanji,on-yomi is the chinese way.
supernovasp
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 27 2005, 10:20 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 27 2005, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 27 2005, 09:01 PM)
QUOTE (kpjoon @ Sep 27 2005, 06:09 PM)
^Well that's because you're Chinese.
Do you know all the Kanji with their japanese pronounciations or do you just know the character?
*

pronounciation would not be so hard since many of the kanjis have retained its originaly chinese pronounciations.
*


Well a lot of time they are also in native Japanese reading
*


there are two ways for reading kanji,on-yomi is the chinese way.
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Yea, but basic words are almost or even sometimes exclusively spoken in native Japanese.
Rock a little
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 27 2005, 10:21 PM)
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 27 2005, 10:20 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 27 2005, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 27 2005, 09:01 PM)
QUOTE (kpjoon @ Sep 27 2005, 06:09 PM)
^Well that's because you're Chinese.
Do you know all the Kanji with their japanese pronounciations or do you just know the character?
*

pronounciation would not be so hard since many of the kanjis have retained its originaly chinese pronounciations.
*


Well a lot of time they are also in native Japanese reading
*


there are two ways for reading kanji,on-yomi is the chinese way.
*


Yea, but basic words are almost or even sometimes exclusively spoken in native Japanese.
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that wouldnt be a problem since japanese is pretty easy to speak due to its limited sounds.

the most diffucult part for foreigners is gotta be the kanjis,but not for chinese
supernovasp
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 27 2005, 10:31 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 27 2005, 10:21 PM)
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 27 2005, 10:20 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 27 2005, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 27 2005, 09:01 PM)
QUOTE (kpjoon @ Sep 27 2005, 06:09 PM)
^Well that's because you're Chinese.
Do you know all the Kanji with their japanese pronounciations or do you just know the character?
*

pronounciation would not be so hard since many of the kanjis have retained its originaly chinese pronounciations.
*


Well a lot of time they are also in native Japanese reading
*


there are two ways for reading kanji,on-yomi is the chinese way.
*


Yea, but basic words are almost or even sometimes exclusively spoken in native Japanese.
*



that wouldnt be a problem since japanese is pretty easy to speak due to its limited sounds.

the most diffucult part for foreigners is gotta be the kanjis,but not for chinese
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I agree about a limited sound, but saying Japanese is easy to speak IMO is false.
Rock a little
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 27 2005, 10:34 PM)
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 27 2005, 10:31 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 27 2005, 10:21 PM)
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 27 2005, 10:20 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 27 2005, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 27 2005, 09:01 PM)
QUOTE (kpjoon @ Sep 27 2005, 06:09 PM)
^Well that's because you're Chinese.
Do you know all the Kanji with their japanese pronounciations or do you just know the character?
*

pronounciation would not be so hard since many of the kanjis have retained its originaly chinese pronounciations.
*


Well a lot of time they are also in native Japanese reading
*


there are two ways for reading kanji,on-yomi is the chinese way.
*


Yea, but basic words are almost or even sometimes exclusively spoken in native Japanese.
*



that wouldnt be a problem since japanese is pretty easy to speak due to its limited sounds.

the most diffucult part for foreigners is gotta be the kanjis,but not for chinese
*



I agree about a limited sound, but saying Japanese is easy to speak IMO is false.
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yes,it is alot easier to speak in japanese than say,english or korean

even an native english speaker would have trouable of pronouncing the word right.
as for japanese,you can read hiragana,katakana,romaji in less than 2 weeks of study.(theres only one consonent ending in japanese,N,and the rest sounds are sololy based on 5 vowels,a,i,u,e,o)
Glory
Yeap Yeap beerchug.gif
icerock
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Sep 27 2005, 02:51 PM)
for me kanji is easiest part in japanese...
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Is the chinese letters under your post telling 謹賀新年?
謹賀新年 is Japanese version.
Rock a little
QUOTE (icerock @ Sep 29 2005, 10:18 PM)
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Sep 27 2005, 02:51 PM)
for me kanji is easiest part in japanese...
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Is the chinese letters under your post telling 謹賀新年?
謹賀新年 is Japanese version.
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really? well its the same thing in chinese
icerock
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 29 2005, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (icerock @ Sep 29 2005, 10:18 PM)
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Sep 27 2005, 02:51 PM)
for me kanji is easiest part in japanese...
*

Is the chinese letters under your post telling 謹賀新年?
謹賀新年 is Japanese version.
*


really? well its the same thing in chinese
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well the chinese letters on the red board in his post is showing different ones though......?? sure.gif
謹賀新年 means A happy new year
kyosak
Join me in the Anti-Kanji club! biggrin.gif
Rock a little
QUOTE (icerock @ Sep 29 2005, 11:11 PM)
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 29 2005, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (icerock @ Sep 29 2005, 10:18 PM)
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Sep 27 2005, 02:51 PM)
for me kanji is easiest part in japanese...
*

Is the chinese letters under your post telling 謹賀新年?
謹賀新年 is Japanese version.
*


really? well its the same thing in chinese
*


well the chinese letters on the red board in his post is showing different ones though......?? sure.gif
謹賀新年 means A happy new year
*


謹賀(jinhe) means the same thing as 恭贺(gonghe)in chinese,so theres no right or wrong,you can use it both way

新年(xinnian) is the samething as 新贺(xinhe)both means new year


btw:謹賀新年 is a chinese pharase that japanese borrowed it long ago
meiki
kanji is visually very attractive, I find. But it can be hard for new-comers.

I like how there are many kanji-types, very loose or really ´liney´.
icerock
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 30 2005, 12:47 AM)
QUOTE (icerock @ Sep 29 2005, 11:11 PM)
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 29 2005, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (icerock @ Sep 29 2005, 10:18 PM)
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Sep 27 2005, 02:51 PM)
for me kanji is easiest part in japanese...
*

Is the chinese letters under your post telling 謹賀新年?
謹賀新年 is Japanese version.
*


really? well its the same thing in chinese
*


well the chinese letters on the red board in his post is showing different ones though......?? sure.gif
謹賀新年 means A happy new year
*


謹賀(jinhe) means the same thing as 恭贺(gonghe)in chinese,so theres no right or wrong,you can use it both way

新年(xinnian) is the samething as 新贺(xinhe)both means new year


btw:謹賀新年 is a chinese pharase that japanese borrowed it long ago
*


Japanese use 謹賀新年 anyway.
That Chinese pronunciation is quite different from Japanese one.
謹賀(kinnga) 新年(sinnnenn) this is how we pronunce.
Some another exmples to wite in Japanese regading a happy new year.
賀正
明けましておめでとう。
beerchug.gif
Guess what? it is far from the end of the year.
October now. I don't know why he is putting a happy new year letters in his post...???
Rock a little
QUOTE (icerock @ Sep 30 2005, 01:47 PM)
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 30 2005, 12:47 AM)
QUOTE (icerock @ Sep 29 2005, 11:11 PM)
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Sep 29 2005, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (icerock @ Sep 29 2005, 10:18 PM)
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Sep 27 2005, 02:51 PM)
for me kanji is easiest part in japanese...
*

Is the chinese letters under your post telling 謹賀新年?
謹賀新年 is Japanese version.
*


really? well its the same thing in chinese
*


well the chinese letters on the red board in his post is showing different ones though......?? sure.gif
謹賀新年 means A happy new year
*


謹賀(jinhe) means the same thing as 恭贺(gonghe)in chinese,so theres no right or wrong,you can use it both way

新年(xinnian) is the samething as 新贺(xinhe)both means new year


btw:謹賀新年 is a chinese pharase that japanese borrowed it long ago
*


Japanese use 謹賀新年 anyway.
That Chinese pronunciation is quite different from Japanese one.
謹賀(kinnga) 新年(sinnnenn) this is how we pronunce.
Some another exmples to wite in Japanese regading a happy new year.
賀正
明けましておめでとう。
beerchug.gif
Guess what? it is far from the end of the year.
October now. I don't know why he is putting a happy new year letters in his post...???
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actually thoes word are not different in pronounciation

謹賀(kinnga) 新年(sinnnenn) in japanese
謹賀(jinhe) 新年(shinnian) in mandarin chinese,dont know about in other chinese idalects


the similarities here are kin vs jin sin vs shin nen vs nian,you can obviously see the similarities
icerock
^Well, seems like it is rather easy for Chinese people to learn Kanji. huh?
Actually, until the beginning of Japanese Showa time (I am not sure) Japan had used more Kanji that is much more akin to original Chinese letter.
If you see some of the decent Japanese materials that were written in Japanese Meiji Time or Taisho Time, you will find the clear differences from present Japanese Kanji.
Rock a little
QUOTE (icerock @ Sep 30 2005, 06:49 PM)
^Well, seems like it is rather easy for Chinese people to learn Kanji. huh?
Actually, until the beginning of Japanese Showa time (I am not sure) Japan had used more Kanji that is much more akin to original Chinese letter.
If you see some of the decent Japanese materials that were written in Japanese Meiji Time or Taisho Time, you will find the clear differences from present Japanese Kanji.
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its called hanzi/kanji modification

like how country is written 国 in both mainland china and japan but different in taiwan and HK
icerock
Do Chinese write letters with brush and ink? that is called 習字 in Japan.
Every one had to learn 習字 in Japanese school, that was required subject.
習字 gives more impressive dynamic Kanji.
When I got old, I still like to write letters in 習字 way sometimes.
Rock a little
QUOTE (icerock @ Oct 1 2005, 11:16 PM)
Do Chinese write letters with brush and ink? that is called 習字 in Japan.
Every one had to learn 習字 in Japanese school, that was required subject.
習字 gives more impressive dynamic Kanji.
When I got old, I still like to write letters in 習字 way sometimes.
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ofcuz,it was the chinese who started it biggrin.gif

i did in middle school, i didnt like brush too much(too damn soft)

ink is much better
icerock
^ Hahaha, right, that happened to me too.
When I was elementary school studen in Japan. I could not write 習字 good, so I was not so interested in that.
Well, many Japanese people use brush to write the greeting postcard.
However, thanks to material development, the brush is more like a pen nowadays but still brush,
so Kanji can remeins dynamic impressive with the brushpen.
How is 習字 spelled in Chinese, the same spelling?
Rock a little
QUOTE (icerock @ Oct 2 2005, 12:09 AM)
^ Hahaha, right, that happened to me too.
When I was elementary school studen in Japan. I could not write 習字 good, so I was not so interested in that.
Well, many Japanese people use brush to write the greeting postcard.
However, thanks to material development, the brush is more like a pen nowadays but still brush,
so Kanji can remeins dynamic impressive with the brushpen.
How is 習字 spelled in Chinese, the same spelling?
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yes its spelled the same

literaly means to practice characters
icerock
^Are you planning to take a Japanese test or something to find a job in Japan..?
Kanji is more like Chinese letter, and Hiragana, Katakana are difficult parts to learn for Chinese people.
I am 100% Japanese anyway, From Japanese point of view; I suggest Chinese should develop their country first.
So Asian can share the prosperity in every aspect. I like Chinese culture
besides Japan borrows many things form China.
China seems to have been loosing their confidence since Chinese lost the Opium War against British.
Rock a little
QUOTE (icerock @ Oct 2 2005, 05:59 PM)
^Are you planning to take a Japanese test or something to find a job in Japan..?
Kanji is more like Chinese letter, and Hiragana, Katakana are difficult parts to learn for Chinese people.
I am 100% Japanese anyway, From Japanese point of view; I suggest Chinese should develop their country first.
So Asian can share the prosperity in every aspect. I like Chinese culture
besides Japan borrows many things form China.
China seems to have been loosing their confidence since Chinese lost the Opium War against British.
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i dont live in china anymore so there is noway for me to develop my motherland as for now. but i'd love to.

i'm not planing to find a job or even go to japan in this matter,i'm just curious about how are kanjis being used in japan.

well,china is on the rise again,hopefully japan and china can get a long once again
brucewayne
Japan, Tiger of Asia joinin hand with rising star,China....sure world`s economy wont be controlled by US dollar nemore biggthumpup.gif
icerock
QUOTE (Rock a little @ Oct 2 2005, 06:25 PM)
QUOTE (icerock @ Oct 2 2005, 05:59 PM)
^Are you planning to take a Japanese test or something to find a job in Japan..?
Kanji is more like Chinese letter, and Hiragana, Katakana are difficult parts to learn for Chinese people.
I am 100% Japanese anyway, From Japanese point of view; I suggest Chinese should develop their country first.
So Asian can share the prosperity in every aspect. I like Chinese culture
besides Japan borrows many things form China.
China seems to have been loosing their confidence since Chinese lost the Opium War against British.
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i dont live in china anymore so there is noway for me to develop my motherland as for now. but i'd love to.

i'm not planing to find a job or even go to japan in this matter,i'm just curious about how are kanjis being used in japan.

well,china is on the rise again,hopefully japan and china can get a long once again
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Sure, we can get along since we are close in terms of culture except for governments.
China seems to keep rising.
Napoleon said that when China wakes, the world will be afraid.
Is that true?
Shino
How many kanji do u need to live and go to work in japan?
FrenchVanillaNYC
^I would guess it's the same number the government recommends. icon_neutral.gif
SunZi
QUOTE (icerock @ Oct 4 2005, 07:47 AM)
Sure, we can get along since we are close in terms of culture except for governments.
China seems to keep rising.
Napoleon said that when China wakes, the world will be afraid.
Is that true?
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China, Napoleon once remarked, is a sleeping giant, and "when it awakens the world will tremble." Of course it was a sickly giant for a long time. Japan was the original growth engine of Asia, now it is China.

Japan learnt much from China during ancient times, now China can learn from Japan (at least how to deal with rising US alarm about its economy).
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