May I know what is Hmong? I have never heard of such human in my live... may be someone can introduce it to me? Is Hmong like cantonese? or?

It seems no one anwser me...

I never heard about the Hmong people until I came to the forums too. I can't believe you never heard of them since there are 7 million Hmong living in Southern China and they are one of China's biggest Ethnic groups.

I believe the Hmong were people who used to live in the northern China near Mongolia and were perscuted by the Chinese and later by the Vietnamese. Then they lived in Laos as an ethnic minority, but then the U.S decided to use them as troops in the war against North Vietnam during the Vietnam war.

After Vietnam defeated America and left Vietnam, Vietnam decided to mark the Hmong for genocidal extinction and together with the Laos communist government they are both killing Hmong which continues to this day. Many Hmong have left Laos as refugees in America because of the killings.

The Hmong rebel groups have recently surrendered to Vietnamese and Laos forces on March 3, 2004 which was just a few days ago. I think the Vietnamese government should stop trying to kill every Hmong.

http://www.brunei-online.com/bb/fri/mar5w14.htm

The Hmong share a culture that is very similar to China, since they used to live in China. There names are very close to China's, here's an example Tong Xiao and other names.

I have no idea why the Chinese persecuted Hmong in ancient times can someone give me the history on that. I heard in these forums that the Hmong used to have a country that was part of China, until the Chinese drove them out. I'm not sure if this is true or not so can anyone share us anymore more Hmong history.

Vietnamese persecution didn't start until after the Hmong aided the U.S in the Vietnam war.

Thanks for the information.
Than as a conclusion these Hmong doesn't have a country?
And I also never heard of Chinse perscuted Hmong... May be someone can tell us??

Hmongs currently don't have a country. Most Hmongs live in Southern China in Guangxi or Yunnan. However, there are many Hmongs in Laos, Vietnam and other SE Asian countries.

According to most Hmong hisorians, Hmongs used to be Caucasoid people with golden hair and blue eyes. They claimed their homeland was in China along the Yellow River and Yangtze (similarily, Laotians and some Vietnamese claim the same thing). However, Qin Shih Huangdi began a genocide of the Hmongs and many Hmongs inter married with Chinese so they no longer look Caucasoid. Also all evidence of these things were said to be convieniently destroyed by the Chinese. History was passed down through word of mouth.

If this assumption is correct, Chinese today don't know about this incident because it happened some 2200 years ago and it is a minor event in the history of the Chinese. Also with the destruction or dissapearance of the Hmong history, it can never be truely sure that these claims could have proper support.

so i guess we dont pity the Hmong people as much as the Jews...jew were homeless and got palestine hmong's homeless and got nothing...

There are MANY ethnic groups who don't have their own country. There are WAY more ethnicity than nations in the world. If every ethnic group were to have their own nation, then we'd have at least triple the amount of nations as we do today. Look at Native-Americans alone, they are not just ONE people, they are of different tribes.

Also, Hmongs being Caucasoid with blond hair and blue eyes seems quite hilarious to me.

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Also, Hmongs (Miao) are descendents of Chi You, the enemy of Huangdi, ancestor of Han.

Unlike Jews, Hmongs did not have a wide political influence in the American government. This allowed the Jews to propose a new artificial country for themselves in Isreal. Also Jews are generally wealthier than Hmongs and own businesses, that give them more power in host countries.

Also where would the Hmong homeland be? Is it in the middle of China? Do they want current day areas highly populated by Hmongs? And would the host countries be willing to give up their land?

How are the Hmong look like anywhere? Are they same with the chinese?

No, they don't look like us Han. They usually have darker skin and look more like Southeast Asian.

Oh...

i have Hmongs friends and they look Chinese to me! but then again I am Chinese, I can't really see differences like you wouldn't see differences between the Khmer and Thai. I think Hmong are light skin to a yellow tan color and all the ones I seen are consider shorts. Another I notice is that their eyes have little lids or any at all.

I guess I've illustrated the different in one of my posts somewhere

Hmong dont look like khmers,viet and laos.

no...they dont look like chinese...
and ???? ur posting of those dirty miao kids was just wrong...

conparin that with a nice looking chinese model...

I didn't think she was that pretty. But if you'd like, I'll post some Miao models and compare again.

Well, from what I see around in my community, there are alot of Hmong entrepreneurs.



There are theories that Hmong are Caucasoid. Some kids are born with natural blond hair. My older brother was born with blond hair.
Basically, we are asian and we look like people from asia. No matter how we look, small eyes, and short, there are some who are tall and have bigger eyes. If you live in the US, look around you, Hmong blends into the crowd and you might not know if we are or we aren't.

I have yet to see a ACTUAL PHOTOGRAPH of a Hmong with blonde hair and blue eyes.

If any of you have a ACTUAL PHOTOGRAPH, please feel free to share with us. Thank you.

Blond hair, yes. I have relatives with blond hair. Blue eyes, nope. never seen one, unless he/she is wearing color contacts.

I keep hearing Hmongs claiming they have cousins or siblings with blonde hair, but never themselves nor do they have pictures of their blonde hair cousins.

Also, many Asian babies are born with lighter hair. My little brother was born with light burnette hair but that doesn't mean he has Caucasoid blood in him It's because some of us have thinner hair, therefore the color seems lighter...

You must take it into account that many Miao people came to US as refugees, they might have been adopted by Caucasoid parents.

I said relative, Not cousin or sibling. Why would I take photos of them for? Besides they live quit far from me.

Lets look at it this way, Hmong people with near blonde hair, or more like very very light brown hair exists.

I don't refute that fact that hmong does not have caucasoid blood in them. But then again read this, I'm sure you're aware of it.

http://sln.fi.edu/inquirer/mummy.html

Actually, most asians could have dark brown to light brown hair.

I am hmong. I live in MN and I have seen some full blooded hmong, mot mixed, with very light hair. Not blonde, but a darker dirty blonde. Some of these hmong people have a very very light complexion. When I first met them, I did not even think they were hmong. So i think that it just varies. Like some black people are Albino. Maybe there are not just some albino hmong but all ethnicities.

Just my thought.

Would your cousin or siblings be your relatives?

I have pictures of my family members.

Besides, I asked for photos not because I really care what your family members look like but I keep hearing Hmongs claiming they have "relatives" with "blonde hair" but never seen a picture.

I am Hmong and I know Hmong don't have blond hair or blues.

THANK YOU! Finally, a Hmong who's proud enough of his own heritage that doesn't need to go and make up lies about being Caucasoid...

Woa, woa, woa... How could Hmong had blond hair and blue eyes in the ancient days?

Even though I lived in Vietnam, but I didn't know Hmong live in Vietnam and existed until I was in the 5th grade when my cousin married a Hmong woman.

Anti-Chinese Hmongs falsely believe that their ancestors were Caucasoid. But after they were defeated by Han (Chinese), they were "forced" to interbreed with Han so that's why they look Mongoloid...

Hmmm... interesting. Doesn't that take some evolution and not geneticly inter-bred though? Some X-men people.

A sibling would be a brother.
As in relative, I meant an acqaintance, whom I refer to as an uncle. But you can take it for what its worth.

Besides the evidence is mounting up that there may be in fact Caucasian blood mixed in with people of Mongoloid decent.

http://www.turkradio.us/uygur/uygur.html

Ha, whatever dude. Think of them as kinda like Brandon Lee, before he dyed his hair black.

Hahaha... I've seen the propaganda of Caucasian supremacists who believe Caucasians once ruled Asia ... just like those Afro supremacists who believe the Chinese dynasty of Shang was ruled by Africans...

If so many Hmongs have "relatives" who have blonde hair, why don't one of you show us a picture as prove?

???? remember dont post some hmong southeast people here.

Post some Hmong-american models.
Quit using miao, use hmong.

Who kares if we have blonde hair and blue eyes..
i sure dont want our ancestors to be some causasain.

So you're saying these mummies where planted in the middle of nowhere.?

Do you not agree that all Native Americans are of Asian decent? How is it not possible that a group of Caucasian migrated and lived amonged Asians of that time period.

I can find alot of sources that support this "find". Find me one that refutes it.


Yeah, sure I'll get into a plane and fly down to GA to take a picture just so I can entertain you. Not. When did I say it was common place. It's far and few when you see a Hmong of "light" hair.

How can anyone be positive that these mummies found are truly Caucasoid? Even if they are, does that mean Caucasoid once roamed in Asia?

No one asked you to "entertain" me. I wasn't just speaking about you either. I'm speaking to ALL Hmongs who claim they have a relative who has blonde hair (hey, funny thing, it's always their relative, but never themselves hahaha)

Miao ( or Hmong)

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fair enough this time, midwest?

Okay, I saw a lion at a zoo, does that mean lions are everywhere?

Who said they roamed "asia"? You make it sound like they were all over the place.
This is the area where they were found. Which today is part of China.

So what's your point flyin15sec?

What is it exactly you're trying to prove?

If you are going to insist that Hmong was once Caucasoid and that Qin Shi Huangdi "forced" you to interbreed with us then I'm going to keep on laughing at you.

When did I say this?

My point..is for you to keep an open mind.

Open mind? About a whole population once being Caucasoid and then were "forced" to interbreed with Mongoloid and resulted in the whole population having Mongoloid features? Yeah, I'd believe in aliens before I believe that

wow, this "Hans raping Caucasoid Miao" stuff is offensive

Again, when did I say this, or any of the links that I posted say this?

See you're too clouded by your "I'm all Han" chinese views that you didn't even read what I posted.

This is a quite commonly known "theory" that many disillusioned Hmongs believe in. I just assumed you believe it too because you claimed to have a "relative" with blonde hair. Any case, if you don't believe it, I have no problem with you. I could care less what color your "relative"'s hair is

brandon lee was half American. His mother was white. Hmong with blue eye never happan. And the theory about The Han raping It sound kinda out there.

Hmong=black hair+brown eyes

To completely "Mongoloid-ize" a Caucasoid population would take MANY MANY generations. This would've had been a "long-term project" for the Han.

If you ever notice, when a Monogoloid and Caucasoid mix, generally the Mongoloid genes aren't shown. Negroid genes would be the "strongest" and most apparent out of all three.

I hope he's not bringing up the whole Tocharian mummy thing in Xinjiang (BTW there is no such place as Eastern Turkistan) find to prove that Caucasians ruled China..

I don't recall any of the articles about Xinjiang mummies referring to "Caucasoid rule of China".

They dated back 4000 yrs. , now I'm not a chinese historian, but that's way before even the Zhou Kings.

How can Caucasoid rule a "China" when there really wasn't a China at the time. China wasn't referred until the first Emperor. :genius:

hehe..not alot of people know about hmong people...but i always thought they were mongolian...cuz at mah step brothers wedding...he got married to a hmong gurl..n her wedding dress was like reallie...different from ours...so i thought they were from mongolia...haha...or well at least i think that...other people think other things hehe..but yea...hmong people are reallie short...and they have this facial feature...that u can tell right off the bat that they're hmong...well at least to meh they do...hehe...

No, they're not from Mongolia.

yea, they are not from mongolia guys.