I just noticed all Spanish colonies became third world countries at present and Portugese colonies well their doing fine.Do you think if the Portugese were the ones who colonized the Philippines we would be third world now?

It would probably then probably be superceded by other western powers, likely to be either the Dutch or the English. Just look at Indonesia and Malaysia.

spanish made their colonies poor, and divided the people to make them aggresive towards each other making unity impossible and some ppl are so proud of them still cause they think they are the top of the caste. but NO one is man enough to address this situation.

i dont think Brazil, east timor is doin that good, i think former british colonies are doin better ie US, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc

Yeah so what difference would it make if Portugal colonized us? How would they've run our country? Brazil, East Timor, Angola and all those Portuguese colonies aren't what I would call 'first-world' either.

I know if the British had colonized the Philippines, it might be way better off economically than it is now. The British actually did try to invade the Philippines in the 1750s during the 7 years war, but the Malay auxillary soldiers and the Spanish (Filipino) officers kicked them out unfortunately. The British just like the Dutch are Protestants. They’re not really interested in prostelizing Christianity to other people (except for evangelical zealots). They’re only interested in doing business, making their colonies profitable. Otherwise the Middle East and Indian states would be mostly Christian by now. The most religiously Christian or Muslim countries are the ones who are poor.
With the exception of Africa, look at Britain’s former colonies with the US on top followed by Canada, Australia, Hong Kong, Singapore, and Malaysia. India and Ireland are going through an economic and technological boom. Ireland’s GDP is one the highest in Europe currently and India is planning one sending a satellite to the moon. Then look at Mexico, Central America, and South America.
The colonial Spanish weren’t industrialist like Britian, France, Germany or the North American colonies. They were only interested in getting wealth and gold from their colonies and prostelizing Catholicism to the natives without studying and developing into industries like Britain, France, German, and the US in the 18th and 19th century. That’s why their empire faded by the time of the Napoleonic Wars happened where all the Latin American countries declared their independence.

The only former colony of Portugal that is doing fine is Brazil, the rest are at the bottom.

Since the collapsed of communism in Europe, "first world," "second world" and "third world" countries are no longer use. Instead it is now called, "Developed (Higher Income)," "Developing (Middle Income)" and "Least Developed (Lower Income)" countries.


Developed Countries (Higher Income Countries) are those that have a Per Capita GDP of $16,000 or higher. (Singapore is an example of one of the third world countries that is now in "developed countries" categories, which have an Per Capita GDP of $25,000 [2001]).

Developing countries (Middle Income Countries), on the other hand are devided in two categories, they are the "Higher Middle Income", and "Lower Middle Income"
Higher Middle Income are those contries that have a Per Capita GDP from $9,000 to $15,500. And the Lower Middle Income countries are those that have Per Capita GDP from $1,500 to $8,500. (Philippines is belong in the Lower Middle Income category which has a $4,400 Per Capita GDP (2002)

Least Developed countries? (Lower Income countries) are the ones that have a Per Capita GDP of $1,000 or lower (East Timor belong in this category which as of 2001 has a Per Capita GDP of $500)


The term "first world" "second world" and "third world" countries were part of the classification of countries during the Cold War. This classification designated those countries aligned with the United States as "first world," the communist countries (USSR, East Germany, Poland, China, Vietnam, Cuba, Yugoslavia, North Korea, etc) are called "second world," and those countries that were nonaligned on both sides are called "third world." But with the dissolution of the USSR and the colapsed of Communism in Eastern Europe, the classification no longer exists. The preferred term are now called "developed" and "less-developed"


Come to think of it though. LoL, there are countries who aligned themselves with the United States during the Cold War, but they are not considered "first world." Sh8 . 2

Where did you get this figure? Any $ number I`ve seen regarding our per capita GDP was considerably lower than that.

So r we considered First world during the cold war or not?

how bout when the PI is under US rule, r we considered 1st world?

Oh really? In some cases, i've seen different statistics such as the Philippines with a GDP Per Capita of $5000 so i'm lost on the precise amount

maybe its outdated

What I am thinking of is what would we be like if this Chinese pirate (forgot the name) successfully took over the Philippines somewhere in the 1600's. He was ready to attack, but before attacking, he died from a disease

You are 'cause you'r a PRICK = Poor Rotten Islander Constantly Kicked!

i wouldn't say former portuguese colonies are doing that much better than former spanish colonies.

brazil
east timor
angola
macau
cape verbe
soçambique
são tomé e príncipe

all these places aren't exactly doing that well IMO, except for macau.

and besides:

lol. there is no way all filipinos would be able to get the hang of that. i mean, the tagalog language itself only has 3 vowels.

Are you serious??? heres a tip read about what you want to say before u say it.

The Spanish are already in the Philippines at that time, thats why they built Intramuros

Are you referring to Limahong, who set up his own "kingdom" in Pangasinan at the mouth of the Agno River?




Got the Info from my text book (Economics)

well flores island in indonesia which i think was a portugese colony, they are christian catholic but they wearing their traditional clothing still, they have beautiful weaving traditions and wear the gold bangels etc, beautiful metal breast plating and necklaces it seem the portugese allow their colonies to preserve much more of their culture than the spanish did. i think it would be better off culturally for the philippines if the portugese had colonize the philippines rather than spain.. but either coloinzation is sad, since the ultimate desire is to be soverign. plus, look at the name the portugese gave to their colonies, what kinda name is that? it dont seem like its name after their kings, i bet we would not have one issue to think about if we were colonize by portugal, "should the name of our country be change"

i dont know if it would have made any change....
has any spanish thing influenced marcos to become corrupt and steal the country's wealth? (correct me if im wrong) what i know is dat before him, the philippines was one of the richest in asia.... (correct me again if im wrong)

XD~

No, not limahong.. he died in the Philippines. The pirate I was talking about was someone who died before he reached the Philippines.. The name starts ith a "K"..



I know. But still the Spaniards feared the attack of the Chinese pirate. I think the attack was for revenge of the 24,000 Chinese that the Spaniards massacred in a fwe days.

yea, thats why many chinese fled to Pampanga


btw, Portugal became a Spainsh Province in the 1600s i think

in my opinion:

We are lucky that our colonizers were the Spaniards. If you compare it to all other colonizers, the Spaniards were the lesser evil. You porbably should know that the dutch or worse, the british are far more cruel to the native inhabitants they colonized. The dutch treat the natives as if they were subhumans and do not even care of their plight, they never educate their subjects, share into them their religion or even their culture, etc. The birtish were masters in subduing their natives, the natives fear them and submit on their whims. The spaniards in the Philippines on the other hand were less focused in colonizing, one 17th century traveler wrote that it is the only asian colony where he see indians and europeans together in one table, most of all many native filipinos do not fear the whites as much as the other colonized asian country. This is because the British mandate was to steal, the Dutch mandate was to pillage, the Spanish mandate was to intermarry.

list by GDP per capita
rank
33 Spain $ 22,000
48 Portugal $ 18,000
132 Philippines $ 4,600

former Portuguese colonies(GDP)
231 East Timor $ 500
199 Mozambique $ 1,200
200 Sao Tome and Principe $ 1,200
171 Angola $ 1,900
191 Cape Verde $ 1,400
95 Brazil $ 7,600
142 Sri Lanka $ 3,700
211 Guinea-Bissau $ 900
42 Macau $ 19,400


u did know what the Spanish Conquistadors did to the Aztecs. & when they massacred the Chinese in Philippines

The Spaniards beat the Aztecs because of the disease. They didn't kill much through pillage as the small pox did and anywhere else in SEA(except Thailand, of course. They were not colonozed) the Chinese were presecuted.

The Spaniards fear the Chinese because they were ounumbered... Even though they massacred thousands of Chinese, the Chinese has always outnumbered them... And yeah, the economic power of the Chinese. That's what they feared the most.

The Spaniards, too segragated the CHinese from the natives.. because of the fear of a joint revolution by the two ethnic groups.

Going off topic alittle the Spaniards were never able to conquer the Yaqui native nation in northern Mexico. http://www.lasculturas.com/aa/vs_EdithYaqui.htm

wasnt germany more likely to have taken over philippines than portugal if spain didnt come in?

^ I think that's if it was the US who didn't come, we could have fallen in the hands of the Germans. If Spain has not taken the Philippines, it's more possible that we'd be either a Dutch, British, or Portugese colony.

Germany? What? It looked more like the English or the Dutch.

spain commited extreme cultural and ethnic genocide, spain is the worst colonizer of all. it is not the best... there is no best colonizer.

filipinos only more kinder to westerner because their culture is so infused into filipino culture that they are more used to it, but to other asian country, they will obviously be more tense with westerner because they are still trying to preserve their culture and identity, because they were able to retain it more than philippine since they did not face spanish colonization.

to bad spain doesn't have a trade organization like the commonwealth just like what the U.K has for its former colonies..one of the reasons they are in pretty good shape?

yeah spain raped us and left us, they stole our resources to build wealth in their homeland of spain, like they stole the riches of the americas to built emense castle and churches in spain and left the indigenous in the america poor and oppress...

SEVEN YEARS' WAR IN THE PHILIPPINES - http://www.regiments.org/wars/18thcent/56philip.htm

Filipinos fought alongside the Spaniards

it was built into their culture...during their wars with the Moors...they were notorius and feared for their raiding and pillaging..it was basically when they would attack a Moor town, steal everything and run back into their castle.

filipino can not attain a higher status then below spanish if they follow the colonial social structure... not even if they are "mestizo" mix with some spanish they are still no better, but those mestizo can merely pick on brown brothers, i think its best if filipino caste aside spanish "power of prestige" that they have in filipino culture...

^Where on earth did you deduce that Filipinos wanted to attain higher status? Is that a result of an actual scientific study that you are involved in or is it just a product of your uneducated mind.

anyone can clearly see spanish are venerated in filipino culture as well as the desire to emulate spanish or whiteness by trying to become white and by associating spanish heritage by acknowledging and venerating the rape of the indigena and the abuse the female suffer under colonisim... over time spanish become endearing to filipino... because you are not directly afflicted by thei spanish atrocities, but you know it happen again.. japanese becomming so endearing, but maybe not to the grandparents who still living and suffer greatly under japanese occupation and know the hardship first hand because they experince it.

I am having difficulties in trying to decipher what the HELL you just said, 'Mr. I like to derogate a country I don't fu-king know about' The past will never be forgotten, NEVER, but you won't benefit from ruminating the past either.

he's weird.. he probably was raped by a Spanish gay...


ah... remember, he's a pseudo ethnologist/historian/anthropologist who believes everything written by his fellow pseudo ethnologist/historian/anthropologist on those online encyclopedias.

A certified "trying -hard" knows-it-all.

^Obviously referring to dalawapo. What more can I say? LOL.

Ya, the Germans sent one ship to investigate and realized they were too late.

Did the Philippines exist before the spanish arrived?

^The land and the people existed but (of course) not the name "Philippines". There was this brave man popularly known as Lapu-lapu... he killed Magellan, cut his neck, tore his heart out, peeled his skin off and threw him into a field of ants.... LOL. j/k.

^Lapu-Lapu

Actually all colonizers are evil, for subduing other human being for their own selfih national interest however, If you compare the Dutch, British, and the Spaniards as Asias' colonizer..definitely the Spaniarrds are lesser evil..Why? God, Gold and Glory--thats what they want from their colonized territories, Spain during that time was a superpower where state and religion were one...they feel obliged to convert the "heathen" native to christianity and abolished slavery in the Philippines..but Theocracy also what destroyed Spain..since the church and state cannot go together, it starts to become a backward society and they shun liberalism and other new changes. The british were more progessive, being the cradle of industrialization. Certainly they do not intend to look for the welfare of their colonized subjects, remember ghandi..all they want is wealth and resources from their colonized territories and as much as possible, subdue natives with an iron fist,(HongKong)..in fact they often sell opium which is an 19th-century drug t the chinese, thus another more economic benefit at the expense of the "chinese addicts"..heheheheh

correction: the British mandate was to plunder, not steal. but they all look the same anyway, hehehehe

Portugal?. Maybe our country name would be Porlippines LOL!

Who was the King of Portugal during the reign of King Philipp II.. I'll try to guess the what could have been the name of our country if it was [ortugal who came



Some historians say that during the 10th century the Chinese have already been talking about the Philippines (of course, they didn't call it "philippines").

The name Luzon was actually a derivation pf a Chinese phrase. I forgot, basta 2 words yun.

John III of portugal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_monarchs
but if portugal discovered the philippines later than 1580 it will be named philippines anyways, cuz spain invaded & ruled portugal between 1580 and 1640.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_House

It would have been "Johnnypines... haha.. Corny, I know

Oh, we will have Portuguese lastnames instead of Hispanic names... That would be the only difference! 2 2 2

Some Portuguese surnames are fu-king long. Can you imagine being named Ricardo Carvalho dos Santos Leite or Ronaldo Luíz Nazário de Lima