Vietnamese women is consider the prettistin all of South East Asia isn't new but there a large growning concern that other foregn nationals that are taking advantage of Vietnam is a poor country. These girls by the thousand seeking a better life for them self and there family are picking instead marrying chinese nationals.

There has been more and more sad true and shockly sad story of Vietnamese Women Being Abused, Raped, tortured or force to turn into prositution. Alot of these women can't turn for help due to fear or language barrier in there host country. One story i can clearly remember is a certian chinese husband forcing his newly wed wife into sleeping with his own father. Stating that this 66 year old man would grown younger by having sex and raping a pretty 18 year old veitnamese girl.

I feel more sad for my country than digust and outrage at what happen. i'm Sad that the communist gov't keep its citizen so poor that they only see the only way for a better tomorrow is to find any route possible. These marriage between chinese men and tiawan men isn't out of love but out of need for the women to take better care of here family....

My only question is why did a guy "if found accused of the hiddious crime he did would only served ""seven, that is 7 years" in jail."

Read on if you can stomach it.. i will post a few artical i just found by google. I welcome open honest communication without Flamming. Its a problem not only in vietnam and China but the world over. Its just sad that the vietnamese government encourage these type of marriage......

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Vietnam bride: I was tortured

asiaone

Link---> http://www.lenduong.net/article.php3?id_article=8423

STARVED, PIERCED WITH NEEDLES, CUT WITH KNIFE

IT is a shocking tale of abuse.

The Taiwanese man allegedly pierced his Vietnamese bride’s fingers with needles and soaked her hands in salt water.

He also allegedly shot rubber bands at her eyelids and used a wooden pole and knife to hit and cut her back.

After less than a year of abuse, Liu Cheng-chi, 39, allegedly abandoned Ms Tuan Jih-ling, now 20, at the side of a road.

Ms Tuan was allegedly confined to the house and given one meal a day, reported Apple Daily Taiwan.

In a year, she shrank from a slim 40kg to just 20kg.

Liu apparently inflicted all this pain on his bride because he believed she had given him a sexually-transmitted disease (STD).

This tale of revenge was revealed in a Taiwanese court recently, as Liu and his ex-wife Lin Li-ju, 34, who allegedly helped him in the abuse, were put on trial.

They are charged with enslaving and abusing Ms Tuan, who has since recovered from her injuries.

It all began when Liu and Lin, who have a daughter together, were desperate for a son.

Lin apparently decided Liu should take another wife. The couple divorced and Liu went on a matchmaking trip to Vietnam, where he met Ms Tuan.

Upon his return to Taiwan, he felt unwell. A doctor told him that he had a bacterial infection but Liu reportedly suspected that Ms Tuan, who had been a hostess in a hotel previously, had given him an STD.

Ms Tuan moved to Taiwan in April 2002.

It was only then she realised that Liu and Lin were already divorced but were still living together with their daughter.

Just three months after she arrived, Liu and Lin reportedly started torturing Ms Tuan.

The torture came to an end only in February 2003, when Liu and Lin are said to have become worried that they might kill Ms Tuan with their abuse.

That was when they allegedly abandoned her at the side of a road.

Ms Tuan stumbled into a restaurant and begged for a meal.

A police report was made and she was sent to hospital.

Liu appeared in court wearing a monk’s robes and reciting Buddhist chants.

He claimed to be mentally ill.

However, after investigation, the authorities concluded that neither Liu nor Lim were mentally ill when they inflicted the torture.

If found guilty, they could be jailed for up to seven years.

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In IMHO see nothing good that come out of Vietnamese Women marrying chinese men either they from Tiawan or China... here another artical from a French press....

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Wife-selling rampant in Vietnam
HANOI - There are increasing concerns in Vietnam about the practice of wife-selling. Agents who sell young women to would-be husbands are operating quite openly in the country's largest city, Ho Chi Minh City, formerly Saigon. A majority of purchasers are Taiwanese men who take their wives back home. Men looking for a Vietnamese wife can pay anything between $2,500 and $8,000.

Selection

Agents introduce the men to a range of women. Once the man has made his selection, the agent can provide paperwork to show that the couple are married. The women who put themselves up for sale in this way generally come from poor rural households and are hoping to get some money. In reality, however, they normally receive a small percentage of the cash paid to the agent. According to the Vietnamese press, there are at least 4,000 Vietnamese wives in Taiwan who have been purchased in this way.

Many unhappy

A few have managed to establish satisfactory relationships with their new husbands but many are unhappy and, in some cases, even sold into prostitution. The Vietnamese police say that since there is no law banning Vietnamese women from marrying foreigners, there is little they can do to stop the practice. They say that if the women do manage to get some money out of their new husbands they often send it back to their families in Vietnam. As a result, many of the families are reluctant to tell the police what has happened.

By Owen Bennett Jones - BBC News Service - March 13, 2001.
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Sold!
Vietnamese Wife for Chinese Man

Fifty-year-old Deng Wendong is persistent. Thirteen years after his first Vietnamese wife - whom he bought for about 300 yuan (1US$=8.3 yuan) from a fellow villager - left him and their daughter, he has got himself another bride from Vietnam.

The new bride is 27 and was brought here by her father's sister. Deng is a farmer; he earns a meagre living from fishing and occasional rock chipping in Ban'ai Village, about 20 kilometres from Dongxing, a border city with Vietnam in south China's Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region.

The picture of his ex-wife is still hangs on a wall of his home. "She was very capable (of doing housework and farming). But I was too poor, so she gave up after living with me for seven years."

Says Deng, "People would look down upon you if you don't have money or a wife. Having a Vietnamese bride is cheaper but will nevertheless earn you respect. At least you have a family." Tradition in the area demands that a bridegroom pay 8,000 to 10,000 yuan to the bride's parents as a betrothal gift.

Of the eight brothers of the Deng family, four have Vietnamese brides. His 32-year-old brother Deng Wenquan has a Vietnamese wife from Hanoi, for whom he paid about 400 yuan when he took a fancy to her at a villager's home. "She is nice and good at housework. My parents treat her well. Life is now a little better than the days without her," says Wenquan.

His wife Mai, four years younger than him, is a high-school graduate from a well-educated family. "If he were an old guy, I wouldn't have married him. I would try to report to the police," says the outspoken Vietnamese woman.

In 1999, Mai went back to Hanoi with her daughter to visit her parents, and she learned that they had reported the trafficker to the Vietnamese police and got him arrested. Her parents wanted her back in Vietnam. Says Mai, "I want to live with my parents. But I'm not sure I could marry a good man there. This man is good to me; he never beats me although sometimes we do quarrel." And she proudly shows photographs of her family in Vietnam and China.

Over 30 of the 1,500 Ban'ai villagers have bought Vietnamese women as wives, and this figure does not include men who cohabit with Vietnamese women. Marriage expense aside, there is much more to a Vietnamese bride compared to one who is Chinese.

Zhang Yuanfu, a 36-year-old butcher who first married a Vietnamese and now has a Chinese wife, tells the difference. "She was very considerate and hardworking. She would keep for me all the delicacies she cooked." He paid 500 yuan to the 'go-between'. However, she left him after four years, and took her son along. "We quarreled over my gambling, but she was better than the present one, who is very harsh, likes to pick fights and hits me when she catches me gambling."

Pei Xingfu - from Ban'ai village - was arrested by the police for drug trafficking; later he confessed to kidnapping a Vietnamese woman in broad daylight. According to him, about 30 to 40 per cent of his fellow villagers marry Vietnamese women. "Thanks to the opening up (of the country) and reform, villagers here are better off and therefore can afford to marry Chinese brides. I don't understand why they still want to wed Vietnamese women, even young men between 26 and 30," he says.

In the past few years, about seven men in the village have been sentenced for trafficking in Vietnamese women. Dongxing City shares 35.77 kilometres of the country's land boundary line and 42 kilometres of the coastal boundary with Vietnam. Since China normalized its diplomatic relations with Vietnam in 1989, border trade has boomed each year and border residents from Vietnam visit China easily and freely, as long as they return by the end of the day.

Further, several years of war in Vietnam resulted in a diminishing male population. This and the local tradition of marrying on either side of the border has given rise to trafficking of Vietnamese women in China. Statistics available thus far indicate all eight border towns and counties in Guangxi are affected by the influx of Vietnamese women.

Of the 8,002 Vietnamese women in Guangxi, 7,919 were married to local residents, but none of them had fulfilled the formalities required for legal marriage. A total of 9,745 children were born out of these marriages, but only 0.3 per cent were formally registered.

Although police officers are firm in cracking down on traffickers, and they try to repatriate victims, or those sold for prostitution and forced marriage, actual repatriation is a huge problem. "After we sent them home, these women returned to China. It's an embarrassing situation," says Qi Fuwei, chief of Dongxing City Public Security Bureau.

Legally speaking, the buyer of the trafficked woman should be held liable for violating the law. But in reality, except for those who buy several Vietnamese women and resell them, or buy for prostitution, few buyers have been so far punished. It is just too hard to destroy a de facto marriage of several years. Besides, most farmers don't even know that buying wives is a crime. And the fact that local officials turn a blind eye only adds to the problem.

For researchers, meanwhile, it is surprising that most Vietnamese wives appear quite contented with their families in China. "I feel puzzled - is this illegal migration or human trafficking? If they are willing to marry someone and money changes hands, this could be interpreted as fees paid to matchmakers. I guess the United Nations' working definition on trafficking does not apply here," says Liu Meng, Professor at the National Women's University of China.

Do Thi Huy refers to all her experiences of being kidnapped and later sheltered by Tang Guoqin as his wife, as the design of fate. Tran Hao, 48, abandoned her husband in Vietnam and came to live with a Chinese man. "I'm not afraid of being driven back. So long as Dongxing is open to Vietnam, I'll come back, no matter what."

However, the influx of sold Vietnamese brides in Guangxi and further into inner China might lead to social problems. According to Wei Xiaoning, these marriages - bigamy, in some cases - are not in line with China's Marriage Law, and therefore the law does not protect them.

"In the long run," warns Zheng Zizhen, Director of the Guangdong Provincial Institute of Sociology and Demography, "such migration is not only destructive to the rule of law, but also unnecessary to China with its existing population and employment pressure."

– Ma Guihua
December 8, 2002

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Thanh Nien News | Special report | Shattered dreams for Vietnamese girls marrying Taiwanese men

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Shattered dreams for Vietnamese girls marrying Taiwanese men


Doan Nhat Linh
Interracial marriages have been on the rise in Vietnam for the past few years as more and more Vietnamese women decide to tie the knot with foreigners, especially the Taiwanese.

The illusion of getting a better life has lured quite a few Vietnamese women, especially those from rural areas, to run the risks of marrying complete strangers without knowing that hidden dangers are awaiting them.

Within the first half of this year alone, there were as many as 5,689 Vietnamese women having Taiwanese men as their husbands, according to the latest statistics from the Taiwanese Office of Economics and Culture in Ho Chi Minh City (TOEC). “80.4 per cent of them are from rural areas.”

Many of these lightning-fast marriages inevitably ended up with divorces. Worse still, in the name of marriage, thousands of Vietnamese women have been trafficked into Taiwan for domestic servitude or forced prostitution. They are subjected to extreme physical and mental abuses.

“There are approximately 77,000 Vietnamese brides in Taipei,” said Mr. Ngo Kien Quoc, head of the TOEC. “As much as 10 per cent of them are vulnerable to abuse and torture.”

The shocking scandal in which a Vietnamese bride had a narrow escape from death at the brutal hands of her husband has recently generated heated debates in both Vietnam and Taiwan.

The tragic plight of Doan Nhat Linh

Two years ago, Ms. Linh got married to a Taiwanese man named Liu Cheng Chi, aged 39, without knowing that he married her just because of his wife’s failure to give birth to male heirs.

On arriving in Taipei, she was forced into domestic servitude during the day and was sexually abused at night.

4 months later, Chi and his wife, Lin Lee Zhu, began torturing Ms. Linh. They locked her up in an apartment, confiscated her passport and other documents, and forbid her to make contact with the outside world. What is more, they fed her and let her go to the bathroom just once a day.

When diagnosed with venereal disease because of his promiscuous behavior, Chi vented his rage on his long-suffering Vietnamese “wife”, subjecting her to inhumane tortures.

“Together with his wife, Chi tormented me by having my fingertips pierced with needles and them having them immersed in salt water,” recalled Ms. Linh. “He then brutally hit me with a heavy stick and lacerated my back with a knife.”

Unbearable tortures were inflicted on the poor girl for seven consecutive months until she couldn’t heave her ruined body one day in February 2003.

Chi and his wife decided to dispose of Ms. Linh. They squeezed her into the trunk of their car, took her to a landfill site, and dumped her there.

When they were away, Ms. Linh managed to drag herself to a nearby food stand and asked for help.

She was immediately ferried to hospital and was not released from there until a year later.

On June 9, 2004, Liu Cheng Chi and Lin Lee Zhu were taken to court on the charge of human rights violations. If convicted of this charge, they face up to seven years in prison, according to T’ai chung‘s Court.

Doan Nhat Linh is no exception

Mistreatment toward Vietnamese brides is quite common in Taiwan partly because their husbands are poor farmers, unschooled workers, or disabled and even mentally ill men.

“90.3 per cent of Taiwanese grooms are manual workers and farmers,” according to the TOEC

“Ten per cent of Vietnamese brides are victims of domestic disturbances,” said Mr. Peter Chen, a senior official of T’ai chung Police.

On June 23, the police uncovered a case of a Taiwanese man who tied his wife up, gagged her mouth with adhesive tape, and then sold her to a brothel for 60,000 Taiwan dollars.

These are just two of the numerous cases of Vietnamese bribes who are tyrannized or mistreated by their Taiwanese husbands being reported by the press. In reality, the scope of domestic violence and abuse is definitely higher than research indicates. Very often the victims of most instances of family violence fail to report them.

The root causes of family violence

Language and cultural barriers were cited as the root causes of most domestic disturbances, said Mr. Quoc.

A lasting marriage should not be viewed as only a tool for ensuring financial security or social reproduction, but rather it should be built on an understanding between spouses, said Taiwanese journalist Luong Ngoc Phuong. “Language plays an important role in achieving understanding between husband and wife.”

Another striking factor is concerned with building a relationship of trust and confidence between the two partners.

In most cases, Vietnamese young women, generally from the countryside, were lured with the prospect of marriage to a wealthy Taiwanese businessman, said Mr. Hong Tu Hien, director of a leading dating company in Taiwan. Therefore, they would feel disillusioned or even shocked when their “affluent” husbands turned out to be blue-collar employees or farmers.

On the other hand, some Vietnamese women took in their partners by asserting that they were virgins, but in fact they were married and already had children, remarked Mr. Hien.

The rights of Vietnamese brides

The majority of Vietnamese brides in Taiwan are unaware of the rights accorded to them.

According to Mr. Quoc, Vietnamese women make no effort to get to know their rights.

“During the interview prior to their departure, I often recommended them to learn by heart the emergency numbers listed in the pamphlets in Vietnamese,” Mr. Quoc told Thanh Nien. “However, most of them paid no attention to this.”

In addition, upon their arrival in Taiwan, they are not well informed of which organization or individual they should reach in case of family violence, highlighted Mr. Quoc.

When asked how the risks of family violence can be kept to a minimum, Mr. Quoc called on the Vietnamese authorities to legalize the operation of dating companies so that they can screen out “ineligible” Taiwanese grooms.

“With regard to Taiwan, we are pressing for the establishment of a television program for Vietnamese brides in Taiwan,” announced Mr. Quoc. “The program will help them stay abreast of latest news in Vietnam.”



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Man tortured Vietnamese wife for seven-month period
Thu Jun 10, 12:21 PM (The China Post)

The Taichung public prosecutors' office is seeking a seven-year prison sentence for a man who allegedly joined hands with his ex-wife to torture his Vietnamese spouse for seven months.

According to the indictment papers, the victim, identified as "Tuan," suffered from repeated beatings and starvation from July 2002 to February 2003.

Tuan's life was a living hell as her husband Liu Cheng-chi and his ex-wife Lin Li-ru employed an array of tortures on her. They tied her hands with duct tape, shot rubber bands at her eyelids when she closed her eyes, and scratched her back with a small knife.

The most horrifying torture the pair used was to pierce Tuan's fingers with needles and forced her to dip her wounded fingers in salt water.

Tuan's weight plummeted from 40 to 20 kilograms because she was only give one meal a day. And scars and bruises were visible on her bony back and feet when she was rescued.

Liu divorced his first wife Lin in January 2002 because she could not give birth to a boy, but both agreed that he should find a "concubine" in Vietnam to produce a heir. He visited Vietnam and wedded Tuan under the arrangement of a matchmaking agency.

However, Liu turned violent against Tuan after he developed an urinary tract infection and condemned his new wife as the cause of his disease. He even produced a tape accusing Tuan of committing "ten crimes," including fraud, adultery, assault, and demanded NT$3.6 million from her in compensation.

In February 2003, Liu drove the deteriorating Tuan to a power station in Lungchin Township, Taichung County and dumped her there. She was rescued and taken to a hospital by passers-by and the horrendous account of domestic violence was made public.

Liu is charged with enslavement, abandonment, assault and battery and will face a seven-year jail sentence if convicted. He denied the charges, alleging that Tuan inflicted the wounds herself.

Women's rights' advocates noted that Tuan's case reflects an alarming trend of domestic violence against foreign spouses, who are especially vulnerable due to language barriers and social isolations.

There is no official data on the abuse of foreign spouses but social workers say the majority of victims dare not seek intervention for fear of losing their children or being deported.

Liao Hsueh-chen, director of the Garden of Hope Foundation's Taipei Long-San Women's Service Center, urged the government to show more concern for female immigrants and offer more counseling and social awareness programs.

"Education is the key to improving the treatment of foreign spouses because their husbands and in-laws must learn to respect and care for these women instead of treating them as maids or child-bearing machines," she said.

Advocates said the harsh sentence imposed on Liu, if it stands, will return justice to the victim and hopefully serve as a deterrent to abusive husbands.

http://www.thsv.org/news_details.aspx?newsID=485

This is the spin off of an agreement which US and China and others pressured Viet Nam into accepting so US can commit atrocities that make the rest kindergarten.

Dinhscot, you're an irresponsible and lazy person. Next time, please summarize the articles if they're too long then provide the links. By posting multiple and long articles, you're putting people off from reading them and wasting bandwidth as well as storage space on the server which cost money. Also, please at least assign blames for the problems so that a flame war can be waged.

Happens to every under develop nation, not just Vietnam...

But it is most noticeable in Viet Nam as US atrocities were most noticeable in Viet Nam war (US war on Viets which China was one of the countries which pressured Viet Nam into accepting US war on Viets). Now China like others is reaping that pressure. China like US was not pressuring it for the benefits of Viet Nam but for the spin off of US atrocities that make the rest kindergarten because everyone was joining in it to rape and murder Viet Nam. This is simply a spin off of that. Just as unexploded 3 time WWII bombs and 80 million toxic wastes are the spin off on Viet Nam.

They don't say make the rest kindergarten for nothing. !!!!

Yes it kinda long but for those who want to read it its there choice as well as its there choice not to read it...

i provided the link to the oringinal source and didn't want to water this down by so call "summary".

Funny, at the present at least those women are paid for, what about women living in the "democratic" South Vietnam?

Oh wait, I know, American soldiers can raped a Viet woman in Saigon for NOTHING!

Its nice to see the propaganda machine of the old Saigon regime still working, I think it need some grease!

I swear, why cant i be part of the vietnam war generation... i wish i was a soldier fighting for my country... i would love to kill some american soldiers.
sometimes i think god is teasing me because the life i live, is much better than of those who didnt have a choice when they grow up. i want to earn my hardship or live in hardship, suffer like how others suffered during that time.

i feel so useless sometimes but at this current time in society, what can i do?

if i turn rich, i will pay all those prositutes in vietnam to work for me as civilized citizens!

if i was president of Vietnam, i would charge $100,000US for any non-vietnamese foreigner who get caught sleeping with a prosititution.
if they dont have the money to pay, then life in prision... or excution... or slave.

trafficking of women = $500,000. if no money then life in prison, or excution or work like a slave for life

women torture = $1 000 000 and slave.

win win situation...
VN would be rich and repay those in prostitution.
bad side is = VN would be hated by other countries = no cooperation

i swear i would trade my life for a better VN

^ If you're rich in Vietnam than those VNCH loyalist would call you Communist, do you want that?

Do you guys ever get tired of bi+ching and moaning about this issue? You guys make us Vietnamese look like a bunch of pussy like other Asian countires that whine/moan/b!tch at the Japanese to demand compensation/apology

Two Words....

fu-k the Taiwanese Men........

I hate those fu-kers.........

theres a diffierence with being rich with a heart and without a heart...
obviously i offer my money to help those in need and rebuild the poor economy!

PS: from what i wrote above ^
im pretty sure prostitution will decrease by a great amount.
95% decrease... that would be my dream

give out big penalties to the prostitution too

good job

generalizing 22 million taiwanese there huh? We can always pick out acts of domestic violence against women in almost every country.

Alot of the Taiwanese men especially the ugly ones who most Chinese girls wouldn't even look at him twice can be really nasty to women especially vulnerable foriegn women who can't speak Chinese.

^man that's pretty fu-ked up. i thought us human has grown out of the age where women are thought of as properties.

It's unfortunate that many of our women has to sell themselves to fulfil their filial duty and hope for a better life; it's even more unfortunately that most Taiwanese husbands behave with such barbarity.

In an interview with the Vietnamese bishop working in Taiwan helping the foreign brides by Trinh Hoi, it is sad that only 1% of the foreign brides would find genuine happiness.

Why is that so? Why are Taiwanese men so inclined to commit brutalities against their wives?

lol shut up

Hope I was a member in the Vietnamese government, I really want to kick the asses of those who do women trafficking.

but what can you do about women who volunteer? lol

What is your problem, troll?

troll? You are the ignorant one generalizing all Taiwanese men.

I'm talking in the foreign bride context. But since most Taiwanese men treats their foreign brides in such a way, I'm not sure how much better they treat their Taiwanese wives.

too many gau in here

Racist remarks will get you nowhere. I could generalize vietnamese in a negative context but i won't steep to your level.

I'm not generalising. It's a fact.

no its not. Only moron would think it is a fact. It is an opinion.

yes, prince bu chanh is the answer to all vietnam's problems

ok we know this is a problem , but whos to blame?

isnt it obvious. horny men.

ok but wouldnt you agree on this.

the drug dealer is to blame , i feel sorry for the drug addicts, but i dont feel sorry for the drug dealers.

^i thought that was an american thing. does that happen in asia as well

This is sad..what is the vietnamese government going to do?

Not the womens fault they had no choice cuz they had no education or money but they to ...... anyway blame the corrupt goverment for not doing nothing.

Even if you have educations, there still are no jobs. This is the spin off of all the countries that pressured Viet Nam into accept a US deal that would lead to the certainty of US wars and atrocities that make the rest kindergarten.

I thought this thread was gonna turn into a flame war between the anti-Communist camp and the anti anti-Communist camp. This is no fun at all!

I think you better go and find what does not exist, Hoho's children.

Of course theres no job its because of the commie government wont create the jobs for all only the upper and middle class . Especiall since most who are under poverty are woman and are from other ethnic minortys. What do u expect . Thats why we have the damn foreigners like Taiwan , south korea and singapore to create our jobs for us . The Commie Goverment lacks will and support fiancially to these woman because they dont god damn care about what happens to them its all about the MONEY I Hate Commies I favour and I'm happy for Unification of our homeland sigh..... Captalist is turning worse then it has come to my being Too Greedy

Yes, commies get all the good jobs. I doubt if VCs know how to create jobs, even if they wanted too. The country infrastructures are basically nil.

BTW how old r u quocthaiban and where u from cuz u sound like a child 2 i dunno cuz u repeat the same thing over in other posts with illogic repitevness

Im from Toronto Canada not originally

Vietnam + Canada = Vietadians Pride

Ok, mature person, let me see what you mean by "illogic". Point out one thing that is or you are an idiot that can't tell what is "illogic".

After more than 5 years at this, there are many people told me this and many turned out to crawl away and proved that they are idiots. You may prove that I am wrong on this occassion. Please prove that I am wrong, that you can point out one thing that is "illogic" or crawl like they all do.

I am waiting with glee.!!!

Cuz ppl tell me on AF to warn about the f@g Quoc thai Sucks that ur @$$ wiper who like to kiss the American @$$ cuz u talk about them constantly And that ur a damn Nationalist - This is not my opinon got it from someone else

In short you don't have an opinion or can't tell what is "illogic". Good now crawl.

2 shows how inhumaine u r making me crawl

U + stupid comments = illogic

I know its ur own opininon but plz stop changing sides u crap about stuff u think u know r u an expert I am sure not but I am sure mature for my age

even though people dont even agree with u NO ONE GIVES RANTS @$$ about U

Good proof that you have no proof. Don't you think it is time you crawl like the rest that say the same thing like you but like you can't come up with one thing. How pathetic you must feel another 3 red lashes in Yellow who doesn't know he is being whipped and dipped in crap. Even if you don't crawl, you have been entertaining enough, being whipped 3 red lashes and dipped in what again. Hahaha

2 thats what iam talking about like three yellow lashes come on give up with the symbols already talk in a formal manner were raised with a bunch of monkey or nationalist choose one

Formal manner for you is talking with no proof. Pathetic idiot!!! What are you that have no proof, again????

I don't get why young vietnamese women line up to marry these guys from overseas?

I feel sorry for modern day veitnam... i begining to think that it was better when the French was there. They onces occupied Indochina and made Siagon its capital where Siagon grew and prosper and was a Jewel of asia. In Fact Vietnam was one of the richest Nation in those time even more advance than Thailand, Japan, Korea.. etc.

Now like the saying goes... "vietnam is only better than Combodia and Loas" wow my poor home country!!! Per Capita income of working Vietnamese is around $400 GDP. Thats 4 Zero Zero in one freakin year?? i make that much in a week. well at least on the bright side it make Vactioning in vietnam a good value for your money.

you guys try fresh squeeze Nuoc Mia? yummy

That was because the stage was not set for Hoho, US, catholics, Soviet and China to come in so US could do it atrocious deeds and others can feed on Viet Nam once US had done.

What you are seeing now it the spin off of that atrocious deeds not to mention 20 more years of hard embargo. Remember that they not only murdered and raped and destroyed our culture but the bombed us back to stone age. Our infrastructures are "stone age" and 20 years further of hard embargo saw that it remains that way. Funny enough, 3 red lashes were advocating that US keeps the embargo going.

How about legalize prostitution and put every brothel under enforceable health codes? This way, the government and or anyone else running the business can charge for higher fees.

The transparency will help reduce physical, sexual and verbal abuses, improve "working" conditions, give better wage, increase revenues for the state and make it easier to track and intervene against STD's.

Let's be practical instead arguing about who's right/wrong - Let's focus on provide real solutions, instead of claiming the moral high grounds.