Who the fu-k does this mophead japanese think he is? does he really want to see what will happen to his stupid island nation once China nukes it into the ocean?

what a coicidence its always on chinese celebratory days it just makes them look bad

his jimintou wins the election again mean the japanese ppl trust him to bring the best for Japan.
Hi no maru....saikou yan

after completely sinking and destroying japan, we wont have to apologize , then again we can apologize before we carry it out. lol

Dude you seem to be invisible to observation. My, you've lasted a long time with your remarks. I counted over 10 so far. Mods are you keeping up?

lol he didn't break any rules. Japan will pay sooner or later for the actions of this idiot.

I'll hand you the gun.

dun need a gun. gimme a chopstick!

I heard that (and please excuse my language) sorry b8tcha** excuse for a leader just recently went to the shinto shrine again??? Who the hell does this guy think he is freaking joker like were gonna take him seriously after he pulls a stunt like that. That guy needs to be put on trial along with saddam and be hanged.

He has a cool hair...dont be hatin

Its fake!

its permed?

He dances with white men.

So do you.

You-You have no proof of this! I hate honkeys! Where is your evidence? I don't dance with white men shut up.

Do you guys have quotes from Koizumi as to why he visits the shrine other than to pay respects to the 2.47 million war dead? He has been quoted saying merely,"I paid my respect from my heart as Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi." "If my visiting the shrine on the war-end anniversary should lead to doubts among the public and neighboring nations on Japan's basic principle to renounce war and value peace, that is not my intention."
From Free Republic News, it states [/B]"In a statement released prior to the visit, Koizumi said he had hoped the public and neighboring nations would understand that his intention was to express his mourning for those who sacrificed their lives for the country."
I don't see what's wrong with paying respects to those who fell. He's not paying respects to any bad deed anyone has done, only to the human beings who died and died so mainly for their family, friends, and country. I don't think any of us know Koizumi well enough to judge him and condem him.
What many of you seem to do is argue that there are some war criminals also in the shrine. I am not sure what these "war criminals" have done, but what I believe some Japanese feel about the dead from what I have heard myself is that a man can be good and bad, but when he dies you should stop hating them because they are at peace now. This kind of mentality differs from the Chinese from what I see. I visited China a while back and there were statues of these people. I wondered why they were so wet and shinny and someone told me they were statues of a Chinese couple that did something bad and so they are forever spit on. It seems to be a difference in culture perhaps? That's my opinion. No society thinks the same and one country's way of honoring the dead may be offensive to another. However, Koizumi himself has been quoted to state his visits have nothing to do with what people accuse him of. I am one to believe what he is saying and that his visit are purely innocent and in honor of those who died for their country and their loved ones in a time of war.
And when you talk about war crimes....WW2 was a crazy time. Dropping the atomic bombs on two Japanese cities itself defies international law but no one questions this since America was on the winning side. And don't even talk about how the founders of the US Constitution would have been hanged if they lost to Britain for their own war crimes. What we need to do is look at WW2 and learn from mistakes and understand what comes from war.

lol. yes koizumi is right. fuk yeah!

he's an @$$hole and his visits to yasukuni is doing more bad than good.

How does his visits do more bad than good? And who dictates these reasons?

com on guy, it doesn't take a genius to know what he's doing is totally ignorant. He can do whatever the fu-k he wants but that doesn't we mean we have to like it. Who da fu-k worship WAR CRIMINALS? He's going to yasukuni to draw support from right wing SOBs. These b!tches have been very vocal at washing over the past.

dude as far as im concerned you can go lick some balls. Hows that for ya buddy? How many counts now? 11?

Kozumi never should have went to the shrines as a PM. He represents the country and the people. When you go there, you can easily give the image that you're giving mad props to the generals who paraded around Asia doing the bs that they did. He knows this. He's making his visits more public to PO East Asia. I seriously doubt that he's "sorry" for what happened.

to err is human, to forgive divine

the pretext we need to invade

forgiveness is for those who seek it.

Anger makes you smaller, while forgiveness forces you to grow beyond what you were. ---- Cherie Carter-Scott

There is no revenge so complete as forgiveness. ---Josh Billings

The hatred you're carrying is a live coal in your heart - far more damaging to yourself than to them. --- Lawana Blackwell

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
--- Mahatma Gandhi

It really doesn't matter if the person who hurt you deserves to be forgiven. Forgiveness is a gift you give yourself. You have things to do and you want to move on. ---Real Live Preacher

The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget. ---Thomas Szasz

I disagree with you, kunomchu, because forgiveness is a selfless gift, not a trade.

lol i follow my own ideology thank you. fu-k Right wing japanese and fu-k those who support them!

Are Koizumi's respects toward the 2.47 million soldiers purely political in your opinion? Could it be that he is proud for those who died for their family, friends, loved ones, and their country and that is his main purpose for going? He is well aware of the situation with China and neighboring asian countries, as he has stated many times. I personally would not deprive the man of his right to honor the war dead.

It's good to follow your own idealology at times, just don't forget there are many more out there to explore and consider. This world is too complex and big to have just one philosophy on life.

Actually i would like to believe in Karma.. hint hint

should koizumi be Proud of Class A war criminals who instructed their innocent soldiers to rape innocent women and children?

Koizumi....ne1 wanna kill him?? over my dead body.
muahahahaha
Kame-hame ha!!!!!
Son-goku ikki ni mori agatta....

you watch too much cartoons.

he watches too much hentai.

I believe the reason why people on this thread seem to literally "hate" a man they do not know is that they truely want to think Koizumi likes the idea of rape and likes to support those who do it. Do you truely believe your demonization of this man? Is Koizumi "Proud of Class A war criminals who instructed their innocent soldiers to rape innocent women and children?" No. There are 2.47 million war dead at the shrine. 14 are considered Class A war criminals. Koizumi only mentions that he wishes to honor those who have died in the war.

Again, what Koizumi actually said is,"If my visiting the shrine on the war-end anniversary should lead to doubts among the public and neighboring nations on Japan's basic principle to renounce war and value peace, that is not my intention." "His intention was to express his mourning for those who sacrificed their lives for the country."

The US's decision to drop atomic bombs in order to kill civilians instantly by the masses was a huge violation of international law as well. Is it not fallicious not to hold anyone responsible for that as well? WW2 is over. Japan is a peaceful country. It's time to move on.

The only ones who seem to be against peaceful measures, from what I see, are the ones who do not know how to forgive.
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Anger makes you smaller, while forgiveness forces you to grow beyond what you were. ---- Cherie Carter-Scott

There is no revenge so complete as forgiveness. ---Josh Billings

The hatred you're carrying is a live coal in your heart - far more damaging to yourself than to them. --- Lawana Blackwell

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. --- Mahatma Gandhi

It really doesn't matter if the person who hurt you deserves to be forgiven. Forgiveness is a gift you give yourself. You have things to do and you want to move on. ---Real Live Preacher

The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget. ---Thomas Szasz

the thing is we dont know!!! they havent shown us any remorse to let us know and they deny it... for all we know they enjoyed raping and killing and plan on doing it again!!!

dare no koto sska??
kimi kai!
muahahaha...
gong xi ! gong xi! 2 2

sensei....wakaranakatta watashi ni oshiete kureru nante...
doumo arigatou gazaimaaaasu!!!

yeah, by making enemies and being a lapdog of the US.

again, another example of a person taking in everything the j@p government said.



WW2 is over doesn't we have eternal peace. any war that are being fought in this world right now can trigger a 3rd world war and it'll be much worst than WW 2. if japan is a peaceful nation, then i think the japanese troops should get out of iraq. there's no such thing as a war for peace.

Words are cheap man. I doubt the PM gives 2 $hits. The Japanese haven't really shown that they have a deep remorse on the subject.

Well that is an interesting view point on the Japanese people. You seem to over simplify the matter into this basic conclusion: Japan probably enjoys to rape and kill people and I do not doubt they may do it again because they have shown me no remorse for what they did. Therefore, I do not like Japan.

You say Japan hasn't shown ANY remorse. I think you have not yet really looked into this subject at all because Koizumi has on several occasions expressed his remorse; remorse many of you say are just words and mean nothing to you. This is not the problem of the Japanese. They have apolozied, they have remoursed, it is merely you who deny them their forgiveness.

"Japan caused huge damage and suffering to many countries, especially the people of Asia, with its colonization and aggression," Koizumi said in a statement.

"Humbly accepting this fact of history, we again express our deep remorse and heartfelt apology and offer our condolences to the victims of the war at home and abroad," he said, adding that he wanted to build relations of trust with other Asian nations." How would you reword this?

Koizumi's real purpose for going (which many of you do not wish to believe) is to mourn the war dead and pray for peace. Not to glorify rape and killing and...who knows....plan to do it again because it's the evil Japanese???




Am I really taking in everything the "Japanese government" is saying? I quoted Koizumi's response as to why he visits the shrines. It has nothing to do with the government. "His intention was to express his mourning for those who sacrificed their lives for the country." Again, I do not wish to deprive him of his right to do so.

Furthermore, Koizumi, the Japanese, nor anyone for that matter, think we as human beings can have eternal peace. What many do want to do is try to be as peaceful as possible to avoid such wars to happen in the first place.

Japan's troops are in Iraq because President Bush got many countries to believe Iraq was a danger to the world. Japan is not the only country in Iraq and you don't go into a country like they did and then just leave. You finish the job. Iraq is now going for a better future, even if the pretenses for war were false and wrong. The US made a mess and got many others involved, you don't just leave a mess in another country, you make sure you correct your mistake and make things as good as you can. Otherwise you do a greater dishonor to Iraq and their people. I could not fathom what caos Iraq could be in if we just invaded them and ran away.



From Boston.com: "Many Japanese think the time to apologize is over and think Tokyo should not cave in to Chinese criticism." WW2 ended in 1945. It's almost 2006 and many of you guys are still talking about this. It' been over 60 year, over half a century. You ask the Japanese, many of whom had nothing to do with WW2, to apologize for things they never did themselves. What you want isn't really an apology, it's an impossible request to ask for those who can't possibly give you a good enough apology. I already supplied you with Koizumi's apology statement amde not too long ago. You say,"I doubt the PM gives 2 $hits." This is your opinion and what it is based off I do not know. All I know is that I do not believe rape and murder are high priorities for Koizumi. I like to believe what he said is true, that he is there to mourn for the 2.47 million who died for their country and pray for peace.

This is not about wondering if Japan likes rape and murder or whether or not they want to do it again because their apologies aren't good enough for you. It's about your problem with forgiveness and your inability to let go of the past.

lol people don't get it. i have explained this plenty of times over and over again. japan never passed a national formal apology from its parliament. It was rejected in 1997 i think. I wonder why? No one is objecting to Koizumi honoring the war dead. However, honoring people who are war criminals is a different story. Also, didn't the Japanese courts find the visits a violation between church and state? Koizumi is an @$$hole for not taking other country's view on things. Going to yasukuni is like $hitting on all the goodwill japan has done. Its pointless and stupid.

Yes, and 60 years later, what is in Japan now? Democratically elected leaders in Japan can DENY the Nanjing massacre and still get elected without a hitch. Textbooks can poo poo the Sino-Japanese war and the occupation of Korea. Right-wingers are still in office, plenty sure of themselves that they can justify and shift blame away from Japan for this. 60 years later, and the Japanese still tolerate this. WHY DON'T THE JAPANESE GIVE A $hit ABOUT THIS? What have they done that has shown that they care about what has happened? Denial of the nanjing massacre is TOLERATED in Japanese society today. They can pout their "evidence" and who will complain? You want me to forgive them when they cannot even recognize their own crimes? Why, so it makes them feel less guilty? That suddenly because its 60 years later its okay now, that it doesn't matter anymore? And I suppose that if China does the same thing to Japan, and then wait 60 years later, that's it's perfectly politically correct? Look at how the Japanese are afraid of the blame and the guilt of it, and shift it away. "Forget about it; it's 60 years ago" and that's the apology the Chinese get? Lovely.
I think we should forgive all the neo-nazis. I mean, it was 60 years ago. I think we should forgive racist who justify slavery. It was 150 years ago. And the Jim Crow laws? It was 60 years ago also. The death of Vincent Chen? Let the guys go, it was 20 years ago. Stop trying to escape the blame. You want the forgiveness of the Chinese people? Show that you are sorry then. Stop making it Politically correct to downplay what happened.

Koizumi is suppose to visit the shrine on the anniversary but he went two days prior in accordance to how other countries viewed things. I see comprimise from him but none from those who oppose him. The shrine houses over 2.47 million soldiers who died since 1853 in foreign wars. There happens to be 14 who are considered war criminals but seperating them from everyone else is a controversial matter in itself in Japan. Koizumi bought the equivalent of about $250 Cdn worth of flowers out of his own pocket for the war dead, his cause seems noble to me. He has stated he is there to pay respects towards those who died for their country and to promote peace.

"No foreign country should take issue with the way we express our condolences for the war dead," Koizumi said.

Perhaps you do not wish for him to do what he wants to do according to his country's way of viewing things as well. And thus it seems you have an ethnocentric view on life and the world.

We hail the founders of the US Constitution...yet they were war criminals in Britain's eyes and would have been hanged. You are proud of China, yet they are Communist and reject many human rights. You think favorably of the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan which main purpose was to kill innocents by the masses, much like the idea behind Hitler's gas chambers.

If you say Japan should get their troops out of Iraq because war for peace doesn't exist than why do the same people argue the atomic bombs were dropped for peace?

No one is promoting rape and murder in Japan. It's your own demonizations that make you believe this. The Japanese and Koizumi have apologized for what happened during WW2, yet they are not even the ones who were apart of WW2 or had anything to do with what happened. Yet you expect these people to pay for what happened over half a century ago. You do not forget nor forgive and you don't even realize the people who you hate aren't even alive anymore.

Who exactly do you hate so much and why must you find scapegoats who you know can never live up to your expectations for an apology for what happened over 60 years ago by people who don't even exist anymore?

Japan caused huge damage and suffering to many countries, especially the people of Asia, with its colonization and aggression," Koizumi said in a statement.

[I]"Humbly accepting this fact of history, we again express our deep remorse and heartfelt apology and offer our condolences to the victims of the war at home and abroad," he said, adding that he wanted to build relations of trust with other Asian nations."[/I]
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Furthermore, this is a statement which the Chinese did not accept from the Japanese several years ago:
"Painfully feeling its responsibility for inflicting grave suffering and damage on the people of China by invading China at one period of history, the Japanese side expressed deep remorse for this."

Also,
"I would like to once again express remorse and our apologies" for Japan's wartime aggression, NHK television quoted Obuchi as telling Jiang.

^ They're words.

go to www.kkk.com and check out how their words are used.

what the heck?
yakusuni shrine also worships war criminals......they are responsible for millions of deaths. i dont care if they are dead right now, they did evil things and their graves deserve to be spit on forever.

screw this. screw your post. let see how the world reacts if Germany constructs a national church that worhships Hitler and the german chancellor paying his respects to him.

^you do know the only reason why hes defending his claim is cause hes jopaneser himself

sacrificed their lives for the country??? explain further