In thailand we call people who live in Cambodia is Khmen and Ccitizen of Old Khmer Empire we call "Khom".
An we do not belive to group of people is the same group.
We respect so much on "Khom" But Khmen.
Khom is something high, clever, but Khmen is different.
If you reserch on the history of Khmer Empire. The Empire had an immigrant from the Indian. The Bhram caste. The Bhram caste immigated from indian and settle in the land we call Cambodia now. In this land, there have their indiguous people who live here, uncivilize. But after Bhram create a Kingdom and later the Empre. They become a ruling caste.
The structure of Khmer Empire was like an Indian. There have a caste system, but it is not so strong like in India because of the influence from Budhist. The Bhram become ruling caste and indegous people become a farmer, slave, or serf.
When khmer Emire was collapsed by Siam. The siam army took the ruling caste of Khmer empire to Ayuthaya. That is why Ayutthaya had more influence from Khmer Empire.
The Khamen had a very weak link with the Old "Khom". They are a lower caste of Khmer society. Ofter the higher caste was gone. The Khamen in rural area and a distance areas create a new kingdom and the sucessor kingdom never success like a Khmer Empire. Because the are not as good as quality like the old one. That is why Khamen is very weak. However, they have seen his master glorius day. Most of them dream about the glorius day that they had been live with their master, "Khom".
That is why Siam pay restpect on Khom never Khamen.
Full Version: Khamen is not Khom
QUOTE(Bodyslam @ Oct 17 2005, 07:36 AM)
In thailand we call people who live in Cambodia is Khmen and Ccitizen of Old Khmer Empire we call "Khom".
An we do not belive to group of people is the same group.
We respect so much on "Khom" But Khmen.
Khom is something high, clever, but Khmen is different.
If you reserch on the history of Khmer Empire. The Empire had an immigrant from the Indian. The Bhram caste. The Bhram caste immigated from indian and settle in the land we call Cambodia now. In this land, there have their indiguous people who live here, uncivilize. But after Bhram create a Kingdom and later the Empre. They become a ruling caste.
The structure of Khmer Empire was like an Indian. There have a caste system, but it is not so strong like in India because of the influence from Budhist. The Bhram become ruling caste and indegous people become a farmer, slave, or serf.
When khmer Emire was collapsed by Siam. The siam army took the ruling caste of Khmer empire to Ayuthaya. That is why Ayutthaya had more influence from Khmer Empire.
The Khamen had a very weak link with the Old "Khom". They are a lower caste of Khmer society. Ofter the higher caste was gone. The Khamen in rural area and a distance areas create a new kingdom and the sucessor kingdom never success like a Khmer Empire. Because the are not as good as quality like the old one. That is why Khamen is very weak. However, they have seen his master glorius day. Most of them dream about the glorius day that they had been live with their master, "Khom".
That is why Siam pay restpect on Khom never Khamen.
yeah right! siam and thai are not the same.
An we do not belive to group of people is the same group.
We respect so much on "Khom" But Khmen.
Khom is something high, clever, but Khmen is different.
If you reserch on the history of Khmer Empire. The Empire had an immigrant from the Indian. The Bhram caste. The Bhram caste immigated from indian and settle in the land we call Cambodia now. In this land, there have their indiguous people who live here, uncivilize. But after Bhram create a Kingdom and later the Empre. They become a ruling caste.
The structure of Khmer Empire was like an Indian. There have a caste system, but it is not so strong like in India because of the influence from Budhist. The Bhram become ruling caste and indegous people become a farmer, slave, or serf.
When khmer Emire was collapsed by Siam. The siam army took the ruling caste of Khmer empire to Ayuthaya. That is why Ayutthaya had more influence from Khmer Empire.
The Khamen had a very weak link with the Old "Khom". They are a lower caste of Khmer society. Ofter the higher caste was gone. The Khamen in rural area and a distance areas create a new kingdom and the sucessor kingdom never success like a Khmer Empire. Because the are not as good as quality like the old one. That is why Khamen is very weak. However, they have seen his master glorius day. Most of them dream about the glorius day that they had been live with their master, "Khom".
That is why Siam pay restpect on Khom never Khamen.
yeah right! siam and thai are not the same.
QUOTE(Bodyslam @ Oct 17 2005, 07:36 PM)
In thailand we call people who live in Cambodia is Khmen and Ccitizen of Old Khmer Empire we call "Khom".
Oh, now I know where did the Vietnamese word "Cao Mien" derive from. Perhaps it's from "Kh-men" --> "Kao Men" --> "Cao Mien", a mere transliteration (? - is it the right word?).
It is therefore obvious that Vietnamese calling Khmers "Mien" is not offending any bit.
menghuy, it is true . Siam and Thai is the the same. Siam is the old name of the country. Thai is the name of the race who control siam. Siam is a group of people who live in Siam. Thai. Mon. Laos, Khmer ,Malay, Jam can be Siamese. Because Siam is an Empire. The Empire consist of many races. Thai is a ruling class and majority of tha people in Siam Empire. After we lose Laos, Cambodia, northern state of Malasia to Western countries. So we change our name of the country to Thailand. That is mean the Land of the Thai race only. We are realistic race. We are not live in the dream. We have to live with we have and develope our country which our remaining land. We are not dream to our old Siam Empire who control Laos, Cambodia and others areas.
Virvs. may be it is the same word with khmen that the Thai call Cambodia.
If you go to Thailand and talk about Cambodia we called them Khmen, never Khmer.
If you see an old relic like a Prasart. We called it Prasart Khom.
There have nothing link with Cambodian or Khmen but Khom.
If you go to Thailand and talk about Cambodia we called them Khmen, never Khmer.
If you see an old relic like a Prasart. We called it Prasart Khom.
There have nothing link with Cambodian or Khmen but Khom.
QUOTE(Virvs @ Oct 18 2005, 02:22 AM)
QUOTE(Bodyslam @ Oct 17 2005, 07:36 PM)
In thailand we call people who live in Cambodia is Khmen and Ccitizen of Old Khmer Empire we call "Khom".
Oh, now I know where did the Vietnamese word "Cao Mien" derive from. Perhaps it's from "Kh-men" --> "Kao Men" --> "Cao Mien", a mere transliteration (? - is it the right word?).
It is therefore obvious that Vietnamese calling Khmers "Mien" is not offending any bit.
That's right, like when Khmers call Vietnamese yuons, but Vietnamese people seem to get all antsy about it too. Mien, Khmer and Viet, Yuon are just names.
Hey, Thais also have the word "Yuan" too. So Vietnamese people shouldn't get mad only at Khmers for calling them Yuon, cos Thai people call them that too.
QUOTE(Bodyslam @ Oct 18 2005, 02:51 AM)
Virvs. may be it is the same word with khmen that the Thai call Cambodia.
If you go to Thailand and talk about Cambodia we called them Khmen, never Khmer.
If you see an old relic like a Prasart. We called it Prasart Khom.
There have nothing link with Cambodian or Khmen but Khom.
If you go to Thailand and talk about Cambodia we called them Khmen, never Khmer.
If you see an old relic like a Prasart. We called it Prasart Khom.
There have nothing link with Cambodian or Khmen but Khom.
You do realise that the Thai spelling for Khmers is a direct transliteration of the Khmer spelling for it too? However, in Thai, as you know the "R" in ro rua becomes an "N" at the end of a syllable. Hence Khmer -> Khmen.
Khom is merely a political term.
No. it is not. transtic.
In the thai term, Khom is ancient people who run the Khmer Empire.
Khmen is people who live in Cambodia in present.
The meaning of word Khmen in your country is only in your country.
Thai people know like i told you.
Khom and Khmen is difference meaning.
Yoeo in thai term is two words but have the same sound.
ญวน = Vietnamese
ยวน = People in Chaingmai or the northern people of Thailand
the Sound is exactly the same.
เขมร = Cambodian
ขอม = Ancient ruling class of Khmer Empire.
In the thai term, Khom is ancient people who run the Khmer Empire.
Khmen is people who live in Cambodia in present.
The meaning of word Khmen in your country is only in your country.
Thai people know like i told you.
Khom and Khmen is difference meaning.
Yoeo in thai term is two words but have the same sound.
ญวน = Vietnamese
ยวน = People in Chaingmai or the northern people of Thailand
the Sound is exactly the same.
เขมร = Cambodian
ขอม = Ancient ruling class of Khmer Empire.
This is baloney alright.
Khmer people you have just to learn to forgive this BodySlam because he is obviously get his HEAD slammed too many times and that is why he can't think straight. He and his kind can choose to call us by whatever, but we are still who we are and that is we are the Khmer of Southeast Asia. Our ancestors have carved out them names and physical characteristics of them people on our majestic stone walls already. In fact, even their victorious troops and leader were placed at the end of the procession. Hahhah.
The next time, this BodySlam speaks his sh*tty thoughts about us Khmer, I will just have to shove into his mouth what the Thai historians at Yale University know about the Khmer lordship over the Southeast Asia.
For their class and rank, it is only expected because we have the immortalized evidence to prove it time and time again. hahhah.
The next time, this BodySlam speaks his sh*tty thoughts about us Khmer, I will just have to shove into his mouth what the Thai historians at Yale University know about the Khmer lordship over the Southeast Asia.
For their class and rank, it is only expected because we have the immortalized evidence to prove it time and time again. hahhah.
lol, let him say what he wants. even if you do prove him wrong (which i'm sure you could), he still wouldn't accept it.
QUOTE(Bodyslam @ Oct 17 2005, 02:16 PM)
No. it is not. transtic.
In the thai term, Khom is ancient people who run the Khmer Empire.
Khmen is people who live in Cambodia in present.
The meaning of word Khmen in your country is only in your country.
Thai people know like i told you.
Khom and Khmen is difference meaning.
Yoeo in thai term is two words but have the same sound.
ญวน = Vietnamese
ยวน = People in Chaingmai or the northern people of Thailand
the Sound is exactly the same.
เขมร = Cambodian
ขอม = Ancient ruling class of Khmer Empire.
In the thai term, Khom is ancient people who run the Khmer Empire.
Khmen is people who live in Cambodia in present.
The meaning of word Khmen in your country is only in your country.
Thai people know like i told you.
Khom and Khmen is difference meaning.
Yoeo in thai term is two words but have the same sound.
ญวน = Vietnamese
ยวน = People in Chaingmai or the northern people of Thailand
the Sound is exactly the same.
เขมร = Cambodian
ขอม = Ancient ruling class of Khmer Empire.
are you tried to say that khmer or cambodia today is mix race,not one hundred percent khmer that is why you call us the khmen but the old khmer or kampuchea is one hundred percent khmer so you call them the khom,is that right. if you think that all the lands that you stolled were from the khom but not the khmen or khmer. you are wrong my friend. khom and khmen or khmer are the same. you people probably misspell the word in the first place that why you got all confused. in the old day we all call vietnam- yuon but today we call them vietnam. same meaning. dont pass on to your children that yuon and vietnam are two people.hehehe
I am sick and disgusted at this DUDE called HEAD&BODY GOT SLAMED too many times. Hahah. FOLKS, allow the MIGHTY Cambodge to put the idiot to REST for good. hahah.
On the meaning of the terms Khom and Khmer, here are the explanation from the two most outstanding Thai academics, Dr. Puangthong Rungswasdisab, Research Fellow at Yale University, and Thai historian Charnvit Kasetsiri, Senior Advisor to the Southeast Asia Studies Program at Thammasat University, Bangkok, Thailand.
Hhahah.
Now REST IN PEACE and lower your head in love and admiration for the Khmer Lordship. Hhahahah.
On the meaning of the terms Khom and Khmer, here are the explanation from the two most outstanding Thai academics, Dr. Puangthong Rungswasdisab, Research Fellow at Yale University, and Thai historian Charnvit Kasetsiri, Senior Advisor to the Southeast Asia Studies Program at Thammasat University, Bangkok, Thailand.
Hhahah.QUOTE
Thailand's Response to the Cambodian Genocide
By Dr. Puangthong Rungswasdisab,
Research Fellow, Cambodian Genocide Program,
Yale University
(…)
The attitude of the population of one country towards another is also an important basis for its foreign policy. The standard text books on Thai history, at both school and university levels, usually begin with the migration of the Thai race from the North to the Chaophraya River basin, where the Khom, or Khmer, [I] had earlier settled. Then the Thais, under capable leaders, were soon able to drive off the Khmer from the river basin. The rapid expansion of the Thai kingdom finally brought down Cambodia’s Angkorean Empire, forcing the Cambodians to move their capitals southward, from Angkor to Lovek, Udong, and Phnom Penh respectively.
By Dr. Puangthong Rungswasdisab,
Research Fellow, Cambodian Genocide Program,
Yale University
(…)
The attitude of the population of one country towards another is also an important basis for its foreign policy. The standard text books on Thai history, at both school and university levels, usually begin with the migration of the Thai race from the North to the Chaophraya River basin, where the Khom, or Khmer,
[I] had earlier settled. Then the Thais, under capable leaders, were soon able to drive off the Khmer from the river basin. The rapid expansion of the Thai kingdom finally brought down Cambodia’s Angkorean Empire, forcing the Cambodians to move their capitals southward, from Angkor to Lovek, Udong, and Phnom Penh respectively.QUOTE
Thailand-Cambodia: A Love-Hate Relationship
By Charnvit Kasetsiri
Among the neighboring countries of Southeast Asia, none seems more similar to Thailand than Cambodia (perhaps not even excluding Laos and the “Tai” people scattered throughout such countries as Burma, Vietnam, and southern China). Both nations share similar customs, traditions, beliefs, and ways of life. This is especially true of royal customs, language, writing systems, vocabulary, literature, and the dramatic arts.
This lack of understanding is reflected in the thinking of a considerable number of educated Thais and members of the ruling class, who distinguish between the Khom and the Khmer, considering them to be two separate ethnic groups. They assert that it was the Khom, not the Khmer, who built the majestic temple complexes at Angkor Wat and Angkor Thom and who founded one of the world’s truly magnificent ancient empires. They further claim that Khmer culture, for instance its various forms of masked dance drama, is merely a “derivative” of Thai culture. (This is despite the fact that the word “Khom” is derived from the old Thai “Khmer krom,” meaning “lowland Khmer.” In spoken Thai, “Khmer” was gradually dropped, leaving only “krom,” which over time became, first, “klom” or “kalom,” and then eventually “Khom.”)
Now that is really funny...hahahha.
Those elements of Thai culture which are generally considered to have originated in India, such as Buddhism, architecture, artistic designs, and even a significant portion of the Thai lexicon, did not enter Thailand directly from India. Rather, they were all second-hand transmissions, so to speak, having first passed through the Sri Lankans (including the Tamil), the Mon, or the Khmer. Even the concept of divine kingship (devaraja) and much of the special vocabulary associated with the royal court were, as M.R. Kukrit Pramoj, a noted intellectual and former Thai prime minister, said, “derived from Cambodia.”
Thai leaders in the past were filled with tremendous admiration for anything Khom-Khmer. Khun Pha Muang, who ruled the city of Muang Rad, somewhere in present-day northern Thailand, and was instrumental in the founding of the Sukhothai kingdom, was given the title “Sri Intrabodintrathit” (before it was changed to “Sri Intrathit”). This is a name taken from the lord or phee fah of the city of “muang Sri Sothonpura.” Pha Muang’s royal regalia, known as “Pra Khan Jayasri,” the Jayasri sword, and his royal consort named “Sikara Maha Devi,” were all bestowed by the King of Angkor.
This is the message conveyed to us by a fourteenth-century stone inscription of Wat Srichum at Sukhothai (the authenticity of which has never been questioned, unlike that of the Ram Khamhaeng Inscription). The Thai term “phee fah” (referring to a king) and the term “Sri Sothonpura” are direct references to a Khom-Khmer king and his royal capital. The king in question was probably King Jayavarman VIII (1243-1295) and the royal capital of Sri Sothonpura is certainly Angkor Thom.
In other words, the earliest royal Thai titles – King Sri Intrabodintrathit, the Pra Khan Jayasri sword, and the consort Sikara Maha Devi – were derived from the Khmer, one of the most highly advanced civilizations in Southeast Asia at the time and a source of knowledge and inspiration to the Thai people. It is possible that Sikara Maha Devi was a daughter of King Jayavarman VIII and thus the Thai leader Khun Pha Muang, one of the founders of Sukhothai, was a son-in-law of the Khmer King.
The early history of the Lao Lan Xang kingdom in Luang Prabang shares distinct similarities. Fah Ngum, the founder of the kingdom, had sought refuge at Angkor, where he was given a sacred Buddha image (Phra Bang) and where he took a Khmer consort (Mahesi) before establishing his supremacy over all the Lao people (A.D. 1353).
This respect and admiration for anything Khmer also characterized the Ayutthaya period from the mid-fourteenth century onward. Interestingly, the flourishing of Khmer art and culture at the Thai court was the result of war, a war in which the victors adopted elements of the superior civilization of the losing side.
However, the Thai conquest of Sri Sothonpura led to a burgeoning of Khmer art and culture in Ayutthaya. As Professor David Wyatt of Cornell University once noted, in fact, “Ayutthaya is the successor of Angkor.”
Another example from the Ayutthaya period is the decision by King Prasat Thong (1630-1656) to build the principal prang at Wat Chaiyawatanaram in the Khmer style and to bestow on the Khmer-style palace he constructed on the banks of the Pasak River (located today in Nakhon Luang district of Ayutthaya province) the name “Nakhon Luang.” This is a name taken directly from Angkor Wat and Angkor Thom, as Thais at the time referred to the Khmer capital as (Phra) “Nakhon Luang” or in Pali-Sanskrit, Nagara, the City.
The admiration of the Thai ruling classes for things Khmer-Khom remained in evidence even into the Ratanakosin (Bangkok) period. King Rama IV, or King Mongkut (r.1851-1868), for instance, ordered a Khmer stone temple disassembled and reconstructed on Thai soil, but “Phra Suphanphisan, after a trip to the ancient Khmer capital at Angkor, informed the King that all the stone temples were too enormous to be taken apart and transported to Siam. Hearing this, the King ordered that Prasat Ta Prohm, a relatively smaller temple, be relocated instead. Four groups of 500 men each were dispatched…to deconstruct the prasat on the ninth day of the sixth lunar month.”
The account of this event, which appears in “The Royal Chronicles of King Rama IV” by Chao Phraya Thipakorawong, occurred in 1860, before the Siamese ceded “sovereignty” over Cambodia to the French in 1867.
It is unclear to us precisely why King Mongkut wished to have an enormous Khmer temple reconstructed in Siam at a time when the French were gradually extending their control over much of Indochina. What is interesting, however, is that the attempt to move the temple structure failed when “some 300 Khmers came out of the forest and attacked the men who had come to disassemble the temple, killing Phra Suphanphisan, Phra Wang and one of Phra Suphanphisan’s sons. Phra Mahatthai was stabbed, and Phra Yokkrabat was injured. The phrai commoners, however, escaped injury by fleeing into the forest.”
It was obvious that the Khmer were angered by the theft of their property and responded violently. The incident convinced King Mongkut to abandon the plan to “disassemble” the prasat and instead to construct a small model of the Angkor Wat temple complex. “Craftsmen constructed a model of Angkor Wat and installed it at Wat Phra Sri Ratanasasadaram (the Temple of the Emerald Buddha), where it remains to this very day.” (Prime Minister Hun Sen visited the model at the Temple of the Emerald Buddha in early 1990s during an official visit to Thailand for discussions with then-Prime Minister Chatichai Choonhavan.)
...The Thais [felt] love and admiration for anything Khmer...
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By Charnvit Kasetsiri
Among the neighboring countries of Southeast Asia, none seems more similar to Thailand than Cambodia (perhaps not even excluding Laos and the “Tai” people scattered throughout such countries as Burma, Vietnam, and southern China). Both nations share similar customs, traditions, beliefs, and ways of life. This is especially true of royal customs, language, writing systems, vocabulary, literature, and the dramatic arts.
This lack of understanding is reflected in the thinking of a considerable number of educated Thais and members of the ruling class, who distinguish between the Khom and the Khmer, considering them to be two separate ethnic groups. They assert that it was the Khom, not the Khmer, who built the majestic temple complexes at Angkor Wat and Angkor Thom and who founded one of the world’s truly magnificent ancient empires. They further claim that Khmer culture, for instance its various forms of masked dance drama, is merely a “derivative” of Thai culture. (This is despite the fact that the word “Khom” is derived from the old Thai “Khmer krom,” meaning “lowland Khmer.” In spoken Thai, “Khmer” was gradually dropped, leaving only “krom,” which over time became, first, “klom” or “kalom,” and then eventually “Khom.”)
Now that is really funny...hahahha.
Those elements of Thai culture which are generally considered to have originated in India, such as Buddhism, architecture, artistic designs, and even a significant portion of the Thai lexicon, did not enter Thailand directly from India. Rather, they were all second-hand transmissions, so to speak, having first passed through the Sri Lankans (including the Tamil), the Mon, or the Khmer. Even the concept of divine kingship (devaraja) and much of the special vocabulary associated with the royal court were, as M.R. Kukrit Pramoj, a noted intellectual and former Thai prime minister, said, “derived from Cambodia.”
Thai leaders in the past were filled with tremendous admiration for anything Khom-Khmer. Khun Pha Muang, who ruled the city of Muang Rad, somewhere in present-day northern Thailand, and was instrumental in the founding of the Sukhothai kingdom, was given the title “Sri Intrabodintrathit” (before it was changed to “Sri Intrathit”). This is a name taken from the lord or phee fah of the city of “muang Sri Sothonpura.” Pha Muang’s royal regalia, known as “Pra Khan Jayasri,” the Jayasri sword, and his royal consort named “Sikara Maha Devi,” were all bestowed by the King of Angkor.
This is the message conveyed to us by a fourteenth-century stone inscription of Wat Srichum at Sukhothai (the authenticity of which has never been questioned, unlike that of the Ram Khamhaeng Inscription). The Thai term “phee fah” (referring to a king) and the term “Sri Sothonpura” are direct references to a Khom-Khmer king and his royal capital. The king in question was probably King Jayavarman VIII (1243-1295) and the royal capital of Sri Sothonpura is certainly Angkor Thom.
In other words, the earliest royal Thai titles – King Sri Intrabodintrathit, the Pra Khan Jayasri sword, and the consort Sikara Maha Devi – were derived from the Khmer, one of the most highly advanced civilizations in Southeast Asia at the time and a source of knowledge and inspiration to the Thai people. It is possible that Sikara Maha Devi was a daughter of King Jayavarman VIII and thus the Thai leader Khun Pha Muang, one of the founders of Sukhothai, was a son-in-law of the Khmer King.
The early history of the Lao Lan Xang kingdom in Luang Prabang shares distinct similarities. Fah Ngum, the founder of the kingdom, had sought refuge at Angkor, where he was given a sacred Buddha image (Phra Bang) and where he took a Khmer consort (Mahesi) before establishing his supremacy over all the Lao people (A.D. 1353).
This respect and admiration for anything Khmer also characterized the Ayutthaya period from the mid-fourteenth century onward. Interestingly, the flourishing of Khmer art and culture at the Thai court was the result of war, a war in which the victors adopted elements of the superior civilization of the losing side.
However, the Thai conquest of Sri Sothonpura led to a burgeoning of Khmer art and culture in Ayutthaya. As Professor David Wyatt of Cornell University once noted, in fact, “Ayutthaya is the successor of Angkor.”
Another example from the Ayutthaya period is the decision by King Prasat Thong (1630-1656) to build the principal prang at Wat Chaiyawatanaram in the Khmer style and to bestow on the Khmer-style palace he constructed on the banks of the Pasak River (located today in Nakhon Luang district of Ayutthaya province) the name “Nakhon Luang.” This is a name taken directly from Angkor Wat and Angkor Thom, as Thais at the time referred to the Khmer capital as (Phra) “Nakhon Luang” or in Pali-Sanskrit, Nagara, the City.
The admiration of the Thai ruling classes for things Khmer-Khom remained in evidence even into the Ratanakosin (Bangkok) period. King Rama IV, or King Mongkut (r.1851-1868), for instance, ordered a Khmer stone temple disassembled and reconstructed on Thai soil, but “Phra Suphanphisan, after a trip to the ancient Khmer capital at Angkor, informed the King that all the stone temples were too enormous to be taken apart and transported to Siam. Hearing this, the King ordered that Prasat Ta Prohm, a relatively smaller temple, be relocated instead. Four groups of 500 men each were dispatched…to deconstruct the prasat on the ninth day of the sixth lunar month.”
The account of this event, which appears in “The Royal Chronicles of King Rama IV” by Chao Phraya Thipakorawong, occurred in 1860, before the Siamese ceded “sovereignty” over Cambodia to the French in 1867.
It is unclear to us precisely why King Mongkut wished to have an enormous Khmer temple reconstructed in Siam at a time when the French were gradually extending their control over much of Indochina. What is interesting, however, is that the attempt to move the temple structure failed when “some 300 Khmers came out of the forest and attacked the men who had come to disassemble the temple, killing Phra Suphanphisan, Phra Wang and one of Phra Suphanphisan’s sons. Phra Mahatthai was stabbed, and Phra Yokkrabat was injured. The phrai commoners, however, escaped injury by fleeing into the forest.”
It was obvious that the Khmer were angered by the theft of their property and responded violently. The incident convinced King Mongkut to abandon the plan to “disassemble” the prasat and instead to construct a small model of the Angkor Wat temple complex. “Craftsmen constructed a model of Angkor Wat and installed it at Wat Phra Sri Ratanasasadaram (the Temple of the Emerald Buddha), where it remains to this very day.” (Prime Minister Hun Sen visited the model at the Temple of the Emerald Buddha in early 1990s during an official visit to Thailand for discussions with then-Prime Minister Chatichai Choonhavan.)
...The Thais [felt] love and admiration for anything Khmer...
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Now REST IN PEACE and lower your head in love and admiration for the Khmer Lordship. Hhahahah.
I tell you what is Thai people think. This is common in Thai Society. We don't call Cambodian as Khmer. The word Khmer is not in Our Languague.
We use Khmen in stead.
And we use word Khom to represent the Ancient people who live in the Khmer Empire.
We respect Khom but Khmen is something low, untrust, uncivilze.
That is the way it is. I'm not insulted you, but this is common knowledge in Thai Society. I've explained why we think like that.
Khmen is acted like we think. You are never show you have a quality like "Khom". The answer is you are decent from the lower class of the Khmer Empire.
This theory was presented long time ago in Thai Society.
We are very surprise whe we study the history and Civilisation of Khmer Emppire. However, when we look at the people in Cambodia and what is they do after Khmer Empire crumbled. We don't belive they are decent from the same group.
Khom is civilized. Khmen is like a babarian, underdevelop.
Last two year, Khmen burned our ambassy with very stupid reason. That we don't know we can angry or pity. Many situations proved the theory many many time.
Farmer, Serf, Slave can not build a civilize kingdom. After their master was gone. They can not like his master.
Theory proved long time ago.
We use Khmen in stead.
And we use word Khom to represent the Ancient people who live in the Khmer Empire.
We respect Khom but Khmen is something low, untrust, uncivilze.
That is the way it is. I'm not insulted you, but this is common knowledge in Thai Society. I've explained why we think like that.
Khmen is acted like we think. You are never show you have a quality like "Khom". The answer is you are decent from the lower class of the Khmer Empire.
This theory was presented long time ago in Thai Society.
We are very surprise whe we study the history and Civilisation of Khmer Emppire. However, when we look at the people in Cambodia and what is they do after Khmer Empire crumbled. We don't belive they are decent from the same group.
Khom is civilized. Khmen is like a babarian, underdevelop.
Last two year, Khmen burned our ambassy with very stupid reason. That we don't know we can angry or pity. Many situations proved the theory many many time.
Farmer, Serf, Slave can not build a civilize kingdom. After their master was gone. They can not like his master.
Theory proved long time ago.
Cambodge, That is her theory. She is not famous academic guy. I don't know who she is. Her title is not Professor. May be she proposed a new theory. But it is not accept yet.
As I told you, The ruling class of Khmer Empire was gone. The Siamese army took them to Ayutthaya. The remaining in the crumbled Empire are Farmer, Serf, Slave.
And Cambodian decent from the lower class.
As I told you, The ruling class of Khmer Empire was gone. The Siamese army took them to Ayutthaya. The remaining in the crumbled Empire are Farmer, Serf, Slave.
And Cambodian decent from the lower class.
If it were true that Khom and Khmen/Khmer aren't the same, then why are there no sources that prove it, apart from maybe Thai ones? Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, but I can't find any.
Cambodge was able to come up with two sources that say they're the same, from Thai academics, no less.
Cambodge was able to come up with two sources that say they're the same, from Thai academics, no less.
transtic, Cambodge,
As I told you, Thai people are highly respect to Khom but Khmen.
There is two words in Thai Society. The definition is difference.
We are admire and feel we are own more to Khom.
It is nothing link with Khmen.
Khom and Khmen in our sense is not the same group.
Khom is not Khmen.
In our definition, Khom is the ancient people who live in Khmer Empire.
Khmen is in Cambodia.
You can decent from some Khom, but you are not Khom.
It is like you are decent from you father but you are not you father.
Son may not as good as like the parent.
The evidence in history proved you are not.
As I told you, Thai people are highly respect to Khom but Khmen.
There is two words in Thai Society. The definition is difference.
We are admire and feel we are own more to Khom.
It is nothing link with Khmen.
Khom and Khmen in our sense is not the same group.
Khom is not Khmen.
In our definition, Khom is the ancient people who live in Khmer Empire.
Khmen is in Cambodia.
You can decent from some Khom, but you are not Khom.
It is like you are decent from you father but you are not you father.
Son may not as good as like the parent.
The evidence in history proved you are not.
Does Ana ring a bell?
You can earn more restpect by doing more civilze, do not act like babarian.
You do not gain more respect by call for it.
We are respect in you parent or your ancient.
It is not you, Khmen that we are respect.
If you do someting good like Khom did. May be we can respect you more.
We respect your father, it is not mean we will respect you too.
Your behavior is more babaric in history after the crumbled of the Old Empire.
You can not recovered after you fail.
We, Thai, had been failed, crumble many times in History.
Our old Kingdom, Nanchao and Ailaos (in Southern china), Sukhothai, Ayuthaya had been collasped and Crumbled into Ash.
However, we stand on our foot again. We created a new Kingdom, new Empire and develop from nothing.
Khmen sticked with the past and can not walk to the future.
The glorious was past.
It is proved, Khom is not Khmen.
You do not gain more respect by call for it.
We are respect in you parent or your ancient.
It is not you, Khmen that we are respect.
If you do someting good like Khom did. May be we can respect you more.
We respect your father, it is not mean we will respect you too.
Your behavior is more babaric in history after the crumbled of the Old Empire.
You can not recovered after you fail.
We, Thai, had been failed, crumble many times in History.
Our old Kingdom, Nanchao and Ailaos (in Southern china), Sukhothai, Ayuthaya had been collasped and Crumbled into Ash.
However, we stand on our foot again. We created a new Kingdom, new Empire and develop from nothing.
Khmen sticked with the past and can not walk to the future.
The glorious was past.
It is proved, Khom is not Khmen.
QUOTE(Bodyslam @ Oct 18 2005, 08:43 AM)
You can earn more restpect by doing more civilze, do not act like babarian.
You do not gain more respect by call for it.
We are respect in you parent or your ancient.
It is not you, Khmen that we are respect.
If you do someting good like Khom did. May be we can respect you more.
We respect your father, it is not mean we will respect you too.
Your behavior is more babaric in history after the crumbled of the Old Empire.
You can not recovered after you fail.
We, Thai, had been failed, crumble many times in History.
Our old Kingdom, Nanchao and Ailaos (in Southern china), Sukhothai, Ayuthaya had been collasped and Crumbled into Ash.
However, we stand on our foot again. We created a new Kingdom, new Empire and develop from nothing.
Khmen sticked with the past and can not walk to the future.
The glorious was past.
It is proved, Khom is not Khmen.
You do not gain more respect by call for it.
We are respect in you parent or your ancient.
It is not you, Khmen that we are respect.
If you do someting good like Khom did. May be we can respect you more.
We respect your father, it is not mean we will respect you too.
Your behavior is more babaric in history after the crumbled of the Old Empire.
You can not recovered after you fail.
We, Thai, had been failed, crumble many times in History.
Our old Kingdom, Nanchao and Ailaos (in Southern china), Sukhothai, Ayuthaya had been collasped and Crumbled into Ash.
However, we stand on our foot again. We created a new Kingdom, new Empire and develop from nothing.
Khmen sticked with the past and can not walk to the future.
The glorious was past.
It is proved, Khom is not Khmen.
so youre saying that khmen and khom are differentiated because thais have respect for khom but not khmer eventhough they are the same people? im confused...im not sure if youre saying khmers are different or youre just saying that "ancient cambodians" short for khom have lots of respect from thais?if khom is a short term for ancient khmer, then i see your point. youre saying that you have respect for my great grandparents
...so do i 
anyone who believes the source from a thai book, then ultimately....i lost respect for their intelligence....too much propaganda from their history book and its not credible.
^ much like how Japanese people don't believe the Nanjing massacre. To them, there was no such thing, and to the Thai's there's the Khom, and the Khmen. Ultimately it becomes a political thing and nothing more.
QUOTE(transtic @ Oct 18 2005, 09:18 AM)
^ much like how Japanese people don't believe the Nanjing massacre. To them, there was no such thing, and to the Thai's there's the Khom, and the Khmen. Ultimately it becomes a political thing and nothing more.
what do you mean by political?
As Bodyslam said, to Thais, Khom and Khmen are different people, Khom being the higher caste (which incidently didn't exist, those people were actually the ones that were captured after the sacking of Angkor and Lovek and sent to Thailand). This differentiation is what lead some Thais to believe that those people were the ones who built all the great monuments of the Khmer empire, and were the cultured ones who performed all the arts and such. To them, Khoms are those who were sent the Thailand and the ones who stayed back are Khmen. This is where issues such as Preah Vihear come into play. Preah Vihear was built by the Khmer empire centuries ago. Cambodians say that Preah Vihear belongs to them because the Khmers built it, and it is part of their heritage and history. Thais say it belongs to them because it was the Khoms that built it, and seeing as the Khoms became integrated into Thai society, it should belong to them.
QUOTE(Bodyslam @ Oct 18 2005, 06:03 AM)
I tell you what is Thai people think. This is common in Thai Society. We don't call Cambodian as Khmer. The word Khmer is not in Our Languague.
We use Khmen in stead.
And we use word Khom to represent the Ancient people who live in the Khmer Empire.
We respect Khom but Khmen is something low, untrust, uncivilze.
That is the way it is. I'm not insulted you, but this is common knowledge in Thai Society. I've explained why we think like that.
Khmen is acted like we think. You are never show you have a quality like "Khom". The answer is you are decent from the lower class of the Khmer Empire.
This theory was presented long time ago in Thai Society.
We are very surprise whe we study the history and Civilisation of Khmer Emppire. However, when we look at the people in Cambodia and what is they do after Khmer Empire crumbled. We don't belive they are decent from the same group.
Khom is civilized. Khmen is like a babarian, underdevelop.
Last two year, Khmen burned our ambassy with very stupid reason. That we don't know we can angry or pity. Many situations proved the theory many many time.
Farmer, Serf, Slave can not build a civilize kingdom. After their master was gone. They can not like his master.
Theory proved long time ago.
We use Khmen in stead.
And we use word Khom to represent the Ancient people who live in the Khmer Empire.
We respect Khom but Khmen is something low, untrust, uncivilze.
That is the way it is. I'm not insulted you, but this is common knowledge in Thai Society. I've explained why we think like that.
Khmen is acted like we think. You are never show you have a quality like "Khom". The answer is you are decent from the lower class of the Khmer Empire.
This theory was presented long time ago in Thai Society.
We are very surprise whe we study the history and Civilisation of Khmer Emppire. However, when we look at the people in Cambodia and what is they do after Khmer Empire crumbled. We don't belive they are decent from the same group.
Khom is civilized. Khmen is like a babarian, underdevelop.
Last two year, Khmen burned our ambassy with very stupid reason. That we don't know we can angry or pity. Many situations proved the theory many many time.
Farmer, Serf, Slave can not build a civilize kingdom. After their master was gone. They can not like his master.
Theory proved long time ago.
so there are two different khmer or khmen. the good khmer or khmen is our great grandparents, get respect by the thai and get to call the khom but us khmer or khmen today could not be respect and could not be call the khom because we're the bad one. this is crazy i need a lawyer,heheheh. they only love my ancestor but not me. thai children being brain wash.
menghuy. Guy,
Khom was a ruling class of Khmer Empire and most of them took to Ayuthaya by Simese Army.
Khmen is lower class in the Empire.
Khom was not your great grand father of Khmen but great grand master.
They was gone., leave only the lower class live in the remnant of the Empire.
Khom was a ruling class of Khmer Empire and most of them took to Ayuthaya by Simese Army.
Khmen is lower class in the Empire.
Khom was not your great grand father of Khmen but great grand master.
They was gone., leave only the lower class live in the remnant of the Empire.
QUOTE(Bodyslam @ Oct 18 2005, 12:01 PM)
menghuy. Guy,
Khom was a ruling class of Khmer Empire and most of them took to Ayuthaya by Simese Army.
Khmen is lower class in the Empire.
Khom was not your great grand father of Khmen but great grand master.
They was gone., leave only the lower class live in the remnant of the Empire.
Khom was a ruling class of Khmer Empire and most of them took to Ayuthaya by Simese Army.
Khmen is lower class in the Empire.
Khom was not your great grand father of Khmen but great grand master.
They was gone., leave only the lower class live in the remnant of the Empire.
lower class , the higher class. crazy, you can call us anything you want. it doesnt matter now. you cant fool the world but you can fool your your children.
bodyslam, maybe it's time for you to fu-k off.
QUOTE(PraChanMuy @ Oct 18 2005, 12:26 PM)
bodyslam, maybe it's time for you to fu-k off.
am the khmen or khmer no relationship to the khom. em going to cambodia next year to see the angkor wat that were build by the khom. this is like the rich and the poor. two different people but one single blood. heheheheh
the khom is just a convenient excuse given by people like bodyslam to deny modern day khmers of their heritage, thus allowing thais to lay claim to various aspects of culture. the only people who hold this position are thais like bodyslam who has yet to offer one credible piece of evidence to support his views.
his assertion is highly improbable to begin with. how would the ancient thais be able to orchestrate such a massive relocation of angkorian leaders and culturalists to leave cambodia with just 'khamen' and khamen alone? it's only my assumption that the population was massive, but lets think about this. you can't expect a great civilization such as ancient angkor to be built and maintained by just a few leaders. great people had to be produced directly from the population or the civilization would have collapsed much sooner than 600 years.
sorry, it just doesn't fly.
his assertion is highly improbable to begin with. how would the ancient thais be able to orchestrate such a massive relocation of angkorian leaders and culturalists to leave cambodia with just 'khamen' and khamen alone? it's only my assumption that the population was massive, but lets think about this. you can't expect a great civilization such as ancient angkor to be built and maintained by just a few leaders. great people had to be produced directly from the population or the civilization would have collapsed much sooner than 600 years.
sorry, it just doesn't fly.
QUOTE(shoehorn.o.plenty @ Oct 18 2005, 04:19 PM)
the khom is just a convenient excuse given by people like bodyslam to deny modern day khmers of their heritage, thus allowing thais to lay claim to various aspects of culture. the only people who hold this position are thais like bodyslam who has yet to offer one credible piece of evidence to support his views.
his assertion is highly improbable to begin with. how would the ancient thais be able to orchestrate such a massive relocation of angkorian leaders and culturalists to leave cambodia with just 'khamen' and khamen alone? it's only my assumption that the population was massive, but lets think about this. you can't expect a great civilization such as ancient angkor to be built and maintained by just a few leaders. great people had to be produced directly from the population or the civilization would have collapsed much sooner than 600 years.
sorry, it just doesn't fly.
his assertion is highly improbable to begin with. how would the ancient thais be able to orchestrate such a massive relocation of angkorian leaders and culturalists to leave cambodia with just 'khamen' and khamen alone? it's only my assumption that the population was massive, but lets think about this. you can't expect a great civilization such as ancient angkor to be built and maintained by just a few leaders. great people had to be produced directly from the population or the civilization would have collapsed much sooner than 600 years.
sorry, it just doesn't fly.
just take one look at the people of cambodia, you too would make up this thing about khamen and khom
loller!1!!!!!!
<sarcasm> aren't you clever! </sarcasm>
can i give you a flying armbar? please?
<sarcasm> aren't you clever! </sarcasm>
can i give you a flying armbar? please?
Hahah, BodyandHeadGotSlammed too many times, do you know how my ancestors called your people back in the day of the Khmer glory? Hahhah. Your appelation and people have been immortalized on the wall of the Angkor Wat itself. Hahahah
Dude, if you think that 2+2 is only 3, then it is OK dude. Hahhah. Obviously you can't read nothing. Don't feel bad for being dominated by the Khmer people for years and years. hahhah.
The Khemarak Jun or Khmer will rise once again in the near future, and when we give out our victorious roars, all of you should tremble in fear for when the Khmer come out to play, even the Kingdom of Heaven will stand still. hahahha.
Bow to the Khmer glory and majesty ALWAYS as your ancestors had done in the past. hahahh.
Dude, if you think that 2+2 is only 3, then it is OK dude. Hahhah. Obviously you can't read nothing. Don't feel bad for being dominated by the Khmer people for years and years. hahhah.
The Khemarak Jun or Khmer will rise once again in the near future, and when we give out our victorious roars, all of you should tremble in fear for when the Khmer come out to play, even the Kingdom of Heaven will stand still. hahahha.
Bow to the Khmer glory and majesty ALWAYS as your ancestors had done in the past. hahahh.
"You can't expect a great civilization such as ancient angkor to be built and maintained by just a few leaders. "
shoehorn.o.plenty, Guy, My friend,
It's like to build a skyscraper in the modern day. There are a fews engineers and Architectures. The rests of them are a labour. You do not count a labours are builder of Angkor.
And I belive that the labourer are come from many groups from theirs Empire. May Jam, Siam, Kui, Laos, Jenla ctc.
A few of them are Engineer from the ruiling class.
shoehorn.o.plenty, Guy, My friend,
It's like to build a skyscraper in the modern day. There are a fews engineers and Architectures. The rests of them are a labour. You do not count a labours are builder of Angkor.
And I belive that the labourer are come from many groups from theirs Empire. May Jam, Siam, Kui, Laos, Jenla ctc.
A few of them are Engineer from the ruiling class.
Cambodge, My belove friend,
Khmer Glorious day was pass long time ago, but in presently is difference. Khom can called any people in theirs Empire with any name, My belove friend.
The truth is they are conquered by Simese army. That truth is forever. May be we had been the slave of Khom, at last we conquered them and make them our dominion and took them to Ayuthaya and make them slave forever.
That is the truth. You can not deny it.
Truth is thuth.
Khmer Glorious day was pass long time ago, but in presently is difference. Khom can called any people in theirs Empire with any name, My belove friend.
The truth is they are conquered by Simese army. That truth is forever. May be we had been the slave of Khom, at last we conquered them and make them our dominion and took them to Ayuthaya and make them slave forever.
That is the truth. You can not deny it.
Truth is thuth.
QUOTE(Bodyslam @ Oct 19 2005, 04:55 AM)
Cambodge, My belove friend,
Khmer Glorious day was pass long time ago, but in presently is difference. Khom can called any people in theirs Empire with any name, My belove friend.
The truth is they are conquered by Simese army. That truth is forever. May be we had been the slave of Khom, at last we conquered them and make them our dominion and took them to Ayuthaya and make them slave forever.
That is the truth. You can not deny it.
Truth is thuth.
Khmer Glorious day was pass long time ago, but in presently is difference. Khom can called any people in theirs Empire with any name, My belove friend.
The truth is they are conquered by Simese army. That truth is forever. May be we had been the slave of Khom, at last we conquered them and make them our dominion and took them to Ayuthaya and make them slave forever.
That is the truth. You can not deny it.
Truth is thuth.
hahah I am not your friend at all. A Khmer will never be a friend to his or her LOWLY neighbor because WE were the Lords of SouthEast Asia itself. If you want to talk about our roots, then ours is more deeper and stronger that whatever you have. hahahaha. The Thais are forever fearful of the Khmer people. That fact is clearly demonstrated by you alone -- your irrationality itself is grotesque. The Khmer people are quick learners of the worldly knowledge. Just compare your English to mine alone, you already know the story. Hahahhah. Keep on babbling, BOI.
this is stupid and the flames will only get worse....
LOCKING.
bodyslam leave the Khmers alone. and Cambodge i have lost all respect that i may have had for u. watch ure self cus i will not let things go for u any more.
LOCKING.
bodyslam leave the Khmers alone. and Cambodge i have lost all respect that i may have had for u. watch ure self cus i will not let things go for u any more.
Cambodge,
My belove friend,
As I told you I'm not a refugee like you. I studied English in classroom and never have a chance to use it. I have no doubt. A Khamen refugee in US should be very good in English. They live in a new land which English is a formal Language.
You should proud as a US citizen, not Khamen. You have no more Khamen, my belove friend. You are a citizen of Superpower.
Cambodia is a undeveloped country. It is not you country now. Leave them as they are.
I Love Khamen because they are our neibouring country. But I have no respect them.
Khamen is not Khom. Khom was gone. Leave only artifact in Khamen, Thai, and Lao land. The ancient khom built it. That is the truth.
My belove friend,
As I told you I'm not a refugee like you. I studied English in classroom and never have a chance to use it. I have no doubt. A Khamen refugee in US should be very good in English. They live in a new land which English is a formal Language.
You should proud as a US citizen, not Khamen. You have no more Khamen, my belove friend. You are a citizen of Superpower.
Cambodia is a undeveloped country. It is not you country now. Leave them as they are.
I Love Khamen because they are our neibouring country. But I have no respect them.
Khamen is not Khom. Khom was gone. Leave only artifact in Khamen, Thai, and Lao land. The ancient khom built it. That is the truth.
QUOTE(Bodyslam @ Oct 17 2005, 10:51 AM)
Virvs. may be it is the same word with khmen that the Thai call Cambodia.
If you go to Thailand and talk about Cambodia we called them Khmen, never Khmer.
If you see an old relic like a Prasart. We called it Prasart Khom.
There have nothing link with Cambodian or Khmen but Khom.
If you go to Thailand and talk about Cambodia we called them Khmen, never Khmer.
If you see an old relic like a Prasart. We called it Prasart Khom.
There have nothing link with Cambodian or Khmen but Khom.
bodyslam, you are stupid and also niave. we called an american - aghang . thai probably call them something else. and doesnt mean that they are dfferent an american.
QUOTE(Cambodge @ Oct 19 2005, 11:21 PM)
QUOTE(Bodyslam @ Oct 19 2005, 04:55 AM)
Cambodge, My belove friend,
Khmer Glorious day was pass long time ago, but in presently is difference. Khom can called any people in theirs Empire with any name, My belove friend.
The truth is they are conquered by Simese army. That truth is forever. May be we had been the slave of Khom, at last we conquered them and make them our dominion and took them to Ayuthaya and make them slave forever.
That is the truth. You can not deny it.
Truth is thuth.
Khmer Glorious day was pass long time ago, but in presently is difference. Khom can called any people in theirs Empire with any name, My belove friend.
The truth is they are conquered by Simese army. That truth is forever. May be we had been the slave of Khom, at last we conquered them and make them our dominion and took them to Ayuthaya and make them slave forever.
That is the truth. You can not deny it.
Truth is thuth.
hahah I am not your friend at all. A Khmer will never be a friend to his or her LOWLY neighbor because WE were the Lords of SouthEast Asia itself. If you want to talk about our roots, then ours is more deeper and stronger that whatever you have. hahahaha. The Thais are forever fearful of the Khmer people. That fact is clearly demonstrated by you alone -- your irrationality itself is grotesque. The Khmer people are quick learners of the worldly knowledge. Just compare your English to mine alone, you already know the story. Hahahhah. Keep on babbling, BOI.
Dude If you don't know any things except English.
Just don't speak for Khmer people.
You are just d refugee.
Hm I would like to express my foolish opinions.
Khmer is one nation and its people can learn every languages fastly.
Khmer used to be the great nation before Thailand. Just compare what going on in the past between Thai and Khmer time of area.
Thai always look like the baby when Khmer look like the biggest brother all over the time.
So, the main thing you should know in Thai drama ( if you'd ever watched Thai drama) you will know the bad ideas that every Thais have in their brains.
ขี้อิจฉาตาร้อน แก่งแย่งหาผลประโยชน์ หักล้างทำลายกันและกัน และอีกๆๆๆนับไม่ถ้วน
Khmer is one nation and its people can learn every languages fastly.
Khmer used to be the great nation before Thailand. Just compare what going on in the past between Thai and Khmer time of area.
Thai always look like the baby when Khmer look like the biggest brother all over the time.
So, the main thing you should know in Thai drama ( if you'd ever watched Thai drama) you will know the bad ideas that every Thais have in their brains.
ขี้อิจฉาตาร้อน แก่งแย่งหาผลประโยชน์ หักล้างทำลายกันและกัน และอีกๆๆๆนับไม่ถ้วน
QUOTE(nobodyknown @ Nov 28 2005, 08:37 PM)
So, the main thing you should know in Thai drama ( if you'd ever watched Thai drama) you will know the bad ideas that every Thais have in their brains.
ขี้อิจฉาตาร้อน แก่งแย่งหาผลประโยชน์ หักล้างทำลายกันและกัน และอีกๆๆๆนับไม่ถ้วน
ขี้อิจฉาตาร้อน แก่งแย่งหาผลประโยชน์ หักล้างทำลายกันและกัน และอีกๆๆๆนับไม่ถ้วน
Yup what do you type in Thai is d human innate. And how d soapopera be fun without that.
@Nobody know I am in the town that has many of Khmae and they just don't like me I don't do any thing wrong at all.
I don't know how to explain about this.May be all about d past.
I never have any bias on Khmae ,but they try to make me hate them.
aeroforce1 is a cool thai.. u are unbiased judging by your posts..
May I say so Sorry and apologise what i said in the first time. Becos I can't bear about the story that some thais always say and look bad to their neigboring countries. I know in Thailand , We have many good people and it's the same as in Cambodia. But one thing i recognised is that Thailand always have the attitude all over her neigboring countries. That why I want to realise all Thais to respect each other rights for living together with understanding and happiness.
Thaland is the Buddism country as Cambodia. Why don't we use this similarity to contact or to understand each other. We need peace more than everything . We are the same. Khmer king used to stay in Thailand. We used to be brotherhood. This is the ideas that giving us the sincerity. And the last one I need all Thais trying to understand us in the way that we are all try to understand you also.
I hope this is just the small idea one but you already knew that we can't move our country to the other places.
Thaland is the Buddism country as Cambodia. Why don't we use this similarity to contact or to understand each other. We need peace more than everything . We are the same. Khmer king used to stay in Thailand. We used to be brotherhood. This is the ideas that giving us the sincerity. And the last one I need all Thais trying to understand us in the way that we are all try to understand you also.
I hope this is just the small idea one but you already knew that we can't move our country to the other places.
The cruel memory from the war and refugy camp is quite difficult to faded away from ur mind.Without that stupid war our country will be much more develop.IMO Thailand on 1960-1985 was also suffering from the corrupt dictator as well.
Is it posible to say from both side that "forgiving but not forgotting"
Is it posible to say from both side that "forgiving but not forgotting"
The word "Khom" or "Khamen" was derived from "Khmer-Mon."
"Khmer-Mon" also means "Ancient Khmer" in the Khmer language.
The word "Khmer-Mon" was coined during the 10th century when the Mon Kingdom of Haripunjaya was absorbed by King Suriyavarman II. The Mons and Khmers merged into the Khmer-Mons. The realm of the Khmer-Mons was the entire area of present day Thailand.
"Khmer-Mon" also means "Ancient Khmer" in the Khmer language.
The word "Khmer-Mon" was coined during the 10th century when the Mon Kingdom of Haripunjaya was absorbed by King Suriyavarman II. The Mons and Khmers merged into the Khmer-Mons. The realm of the Khmer-Mons was the entire area of present day Thailand.
What khmen Khom... stupid thai theory. Khmen+ Khomr= basically Khmer. It is true that most of our cultures were originated from india... but when i said cultures, they were JUST cultures... cultures that the native (we, the great khmers) adopted... to build the great khmer empire. Then those babaric uncivilized siam borned from nowhere copied us and tauk tiep stabbed us on the back.
we adopted only Hinduism and Buddhism from mother India. Khmer cultures are khmer cultures not adopted from India. What call traditional Thai are the other way around,traditional khmer.
QUOTE(Bodyslam @ Oct 17 2005, 08:36 AM)
In thailand we call people who live in Cambodia is Khmen and Ccitizen of Old Khmer Empire we call "Khom".
An we do not belive to group of people is the same group.
We respect so much on "Khom" But Khmen.
Khom is something high, clever, but Khmen is different.
If you reserch on the history of Khmer Empire. The Empire had an immigrant from the Indian. The Bhram caste. The Bhram caste immigated from indian and settle in the land we call Cambodia now. In this land, there have their indiguous people who live here, uncivilize. But after Bhram create a Kingdom and later the Empre. They become a ruling caste.
The structure of Khmer Empire was like an Indian. There have a caste system, but it is not so strong like in India because of the influence from Budhist. The Bhram become ruling caste and indegous people become a farmer, slave, or serf.
When khmer Emire was collapsed by Siam. The siam army took the ruling caste of Khmer empire to Ayuthaya. That is why Ayutthaya had more influence from Khmer Empire.
The Khamen had a very weak link with the Old "Khom". They are a lower caste of Khmer society. Ofter the higher caste was gone. The Khamen in rural area and a distance areas create a new kingdom and the sucessor kingdom never success like a Khmer Empire. Because the are not as good as quality like the old one. That is why Khamen is very weak. However, they have seen his master glorius day. Most of them dream about the glorius day that they had been live with their master, "Khom".
That is why Siam pay restpect on Khom never Khamen.
khamens and khoms are just the same word for khmer, in angkor there was hardly any distintion between them, khoms are just regular people. and ps, do you think you descended from royalty, master builders, your ancestors were probaly slaves of the higher class? you mad cuz our empire was wayy better then ayyuthuya, it fell because of ignorant kings but at its peak it was one of asia's greatest civilization, producing religous art topping that of any civilization, larger then any european city at the time, it had hospitals, inns, produce crops 4 times a year, women enjoy high status, one great temple took more then 60,000 people to operate, the population was well above a million.
A thread created just to insult another group of people. Hehehe it's sort of pathetic if you think about it.
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