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The problem is that while the jaw has decreased in size for Japanese women over the past 2,000 years (I'll try to update with an actual study I saw), the teeth have remained the same size, and it's particularly a problem for the so called "Mongoloids" because they have wisdom teeth almost always. This leads to overcrowding of teeth and thus the stereotypical crooked teeth that is for Japanese women the badge of shame for all Asians.

Well, the Yayoi seems to come from mainly Korea, and replaced the Jomon in Japan within the last 2,000 years. Within that time period, there seems to have been some noticeable pedamorphic tendencies in Japanese females. Compared to Korean females, Japanese females are more child-like, with weaker jaws.

From this type of jaw: (Mongolian women)


To this type of jaw: (Japanese women)


The causes of reduced jaws is a general gracilization trend in post ice age humans, and there could be a number of causes, such as sexual selection, adapting to eat mush from agricultural products instead of fiberous and meaty stuff of hunter-gatherers, getting smaller for the warmer weather. The problem is particularly a problem for Japanese women because they are very pedamorphic, going from big-jawed Mongolian types to lil' girl types in a matter of millenia.

Below are qoutes from an article address this problem:

"Evolving to Eat Mush": How Meat Changed Our Bodies
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...human_diet.html

"Our taste for meat has also led us into some trouble—our teeth are too big for our downsized jaws and most of us need dental work."

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"Tool-use no doubt helped early humans in butchering their dinners. But there is evidence that the advance to cooking and using knives and forks is leading to crooked teeth and facial dwarfing in humans.

Today it's relatively rare for someone to have perfectly straight teeth (without having been to the orthodontist). Our wisdom teeth don't have room to fit in the jaw and sometimes don't form at all, and the propensity to develop gum disease is on the increase.

"Virtually any mammalian jaw in the wild that you look at will be a perfect occlusion—a very nice Hollywood-style dentition," said Peter Lucas, the author of Dental Functional Morphology and a visiting professor at George Washington University in Washington, D.C. "But when it comes to humans, the ideal occlusion [the way teeth fit together] is virtually never seen. It's really the only body part that regularly needs attention and surgery."

Lucas argues that the mechanical process of chewing, combined with the physical properties of foods in the diet, will drive tooth, jaw, and body size, particularly in human evolution.

Essentially, by cooking our food, thereby making it softer, we no longer need teeth big enough to chow down on really tough particles. By using knives and forks to cut food into smaller pieces, we no longer need a large enough jaw to cram in big hunks of food.

"We're evolving to eat mush," said Bernard Wood, a paleoanthropologist at George Washington University."


Someone asked me to post this.
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It's not a flame topic or an insult. It's based on an anthropological article.
toki
hmmm. i did notice when i went to japan a high number of teh people had crooked teeth.. never knew there was evidence behind it...
Jason Voorhees
I notice that too. A lot of Japanese girls has bunny teeth.
toki
QUOTE (Jason Voorhees @ Oct 19 2005, 05:08 PM)
I notice that too. A lot of Japanese girls has bunny teeth.
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not really just that but also ther alignment of teeth are out of order or the teeth are not at equal lengths.. my japanese friend works as a nurse at a healthboard in japan and says sometimes japanese people come in for jaw implants.. sounds painful... eek.gif
running horse
Japanese phenotype is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cool. love2.gif love2.gif I love those crooked teeth embarassedlaugh.gif2 ,but I really do like the way some of their teeth are made , but I'ts not just limited to Japanese women either.
Nihonto
Actually, I heard they don't value dental as much as other beauty qualities, unlike the west.
DetunedRadio
QUOTE (Nihonto @ Oct 19 2005, 05:47 PM)
Actually, I heard they don't value dental as much as other beauty qualities, unlike the west.
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get out
MING-LOYALIST
Japanese women are evolving into little girls.Sad(actually this is happening all over east asia.)

And those Japanese girls need to eat more.LOL
DavidChen
Wow thats really weird. Remind me to be careful if I ever kiss a japanese girl.
Jizzah
i have no wisdom teeth beerchug.gif
lilasiankid
Yeah LOL...kinda noticed a few of them cute Japanese girls with that teeth....I never thought about it being with alot of Japanese though... embarassedlaugh.gif
Chinazis
japanese are so ugly make east asian look bad
VietSk8rGUI
^can i see a pic of you? r u a girl?
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lilasiankid
QUOTE (VietSk8rGUI @ Oct 19 2005, 07:58 PM)
^can i see a pic of you? r u a girl?
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Do you mean ME or Chinazis??

Just wondering cuz about 4 people have asked me since I put up that Avatar of MIWA OSHIRO..she's a cutey Japanese chic! love2.gif
AgentBach
I thought it was because the food they eat isn't as solid as the food in other countries, so there gums are not as strong.
toki
QUOTE (MING-LOYALIST @ Oct 19 2005, 05:51 PM)
Japanese women are evolving into little girls.Sad(actually this is happening all over east asia.)

And those Japanese girls need to eat more.LOL
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well technically from health stats. korean youth are skinnier while japanese older generations are skinnier than our korean older generations. they say its from the popularity of fast foods more for japanese youth more than for korean youth.

however there is a variety of japanese people. not allll of them are like this.
LOVEWHIZ
japanese girls have no chin! sure.gif
MING-LOYALIST
QUOTE (toki @ Oct 19 2005, 09:27 PM)
QUOTE (MING-LOYALIST @ Oct 19 2005, 05:51 PM)
Japanese women are evolving into little girls.Sad(actually this is happening all over east asia.)

And those Japanese girls need to eat more.LOL
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well technically from health stats. korean youth are skinnier while japanese older generations are skinnier than our korean older generations. they say its from the popularity of fast foods more for japanese youth more than for korean youth.

however there is a variety of japanese people. not allll of them are like this.
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Those Japanese girls are too skinny no doubt about it.

However since atleast the neolithic times east asian populations have been evolving towards a smaller jaw.
There are many Chinese who have too many teeth for their smaller jaw thus creating dental problems and require brasses.
toki
my experience going to japan is that still a good number of the youth is a bit chubbier nowadays due to the influx of fast foods. there are fast foods in china and korea as well. but i think the japanese tend to consume more. in my experience and also stats. korean youth is skinnier.
Suijen
From what I see, a lot of Japanese chicks have not-so-organized teeth and stocky legs.
MING-LOYALIST
QUOTE (toki @ Oct 19 2005, 09:41 PM)
my experience going to japan is that still a good number of the youth is a bit chubbier nowadays due to the influx of fast foods. there are fast foods in china and korea as well. but i think the japanese tend to consume more. in my experience and also stats. korean youth is skinnier.
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I think there is a bit of misunderstanding here.
I did not say all japanese girls are skinny just those in the picture.
toki
QUOTE (MING-LOYALIST @ Oct 19 2005, 09:50 PM)
QUOTE (toki @ Oct 19 2005, 09:41 PM)
my experience going to japan is that still a good number of the youth is a bit chubbier nowadays due to the influx of fast foods. there are fast foods in china and korea as well. but i think the japanese tend to consume more. in my experience and also stats. korean youth is skinnier.
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I think there is a bit of misunderstanding here.
I did not say all japanese girls are skinny just those in the picture.
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oh.... sorry icon_redface.gif
lilasiankid
QUOTE (MING-LOYALIST @ Oct 19 2005, 09:50 PM)
I think there is a bit of misunderstanding here.
I did not say all japanese girls are skinny just those in the picture.
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Yeah gotta admit alotta them Japanese girls in the pictures kinda got the same looking bodies.....which are soft and white....like they don't work out or nothing....It's just their cute faces making them look good.

Asian American girls look way nicer on average! biggthumpup.gif
funkycoldmedina
yeah i noticed that about the teeth. someone had told me it was because of inbreeding over thousands of years (being that it's an island....) and that it was similar to what goes on in england. i never really gave that theory much credence but it is interesting to see some scientific explanation b/c i've always wondered.
toki
QUOTE (lilasiankid @ Oct 19 2005, 09:56 PM)
QUOTE (MING-LOYALIST @ Oct 19 2005, 09:50 PM)
I think there is a bit of misunderstanding here.
I did not say all japanese girls are skinny just those in the picture.
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Yeah gotta admit alotta them Japanese girls in the pictures kinda got the same looking bodies.....which are soft and white....like they don't work out or nothing....It's just their cute faces making them look good.

Asian American girls look way nicer on average! biggthumpup.gif
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hmmm. a lotta asians in asia think they look better than asian americans. icon_confused.gif my preference is that i think asians in asia look better. but we all got different tastes biggrin.gif
lilasiankid
QUOTE (toki @ Oct 19 2005, 10:01 PM)
hmmm. a lotta asians in asia think they look better than asian americans. icon_confused.gif  my preference is that i think asians in asia look better. but we all got different tastes biggrin.gif
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I never been to Asia before so I dunno.....I'm just talking about the celebrities and stuff and comparing them to regular Asian Americans embarassedlaugh.gif2
DetunedRadio
QUOTE (toki @ Oct 19 2005, 10:01 PM)
hmmm. a lotta asians in asia think they look better than asian americans. icon_confused.gif  my preference is that i think asians in asia look better. but we all got different tastes biggrin.gif
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i think its just fashion and maybe paleness. and yes, i agree the youth in asia do have much better fashion and maybe they are paler.
funkycoldmedina
QUOTE (DetunedRadio @ Oct 19 2005, 10:20 PM)
QUOTE (toki @ Oct 19 2005, 10:01 PM)
hmmm. a lotta asians in asia think they look better than asian americans. icon_confused.gif  my preference is that i think asians in asia look better. but we all got different tastes biggrin.gif
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i think its just fashion and maybe paleness. and yes, i agree the youth in asia do have much better fashion and maybe they are paler.
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i dunno, when i was in seoul the fashion there pretty much mimicked New York and alot of European trends. Although you're right about being paler. and more 'feminine' there was definately more girlish giggling between friends then you'd see between AAF in the US.
toki
you know. even teh facial structures i noticed were different. a lot of koreans know this as well.. speaking english as opposed to koreean using different muscles in teh face more than others. asian americans tend to have more rounder faces due to the muscles used more in when speaking english. its wierd. but i could tell an asian american and an asian from asia just by looking at their facial structures.. icon_confused.gif
Mr. Tree
hmm... i had my wisdom teeth pulled out and 4 other teeth aswell -shock

i also had a small jaw when i was growing up; it was huge when i was like 3 years old but i liked to eat congee alot so that probably explains why my jaw became so small.
VietSk8rGUI
QUOTE (lilasiankid @ Oct 19 2005, 09:05 PM)
QUOTE (VietSk8rGUI @ Oct 19 2005, 07:58 PM)
^can i see a pic of you? r u a girl?
love2.gif  love2.gif  love2.gif  love2.gif  love2.gif  love2.gif  love2.gif
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Do you mean ME or Chinazis??

Just wondering cuz about 4 people have asked me since I put up that Avatar of MIWA OSHIRO..she's a cutey Japanese chic! love2.gif
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then i was talk to chinazi. too bad she got banned. bawling.gif bawling.gif im gonna miss her. bawling.gif
DetunedRadio
requested
MING-LOYALIST
Yes DR in 20 years time Chinese culture will become dominating.
in the mean while stop whinning.
Zezei
QUOTE (Nihonto @ Oct 19 2005, 05:47 PM)
Actually, I heard they don't value dental as much as other beauty qualities, unlike the west.
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I've seen a lot of white people with bad teeth.



QUOTE (Chinazis @ Oct 19 2005, 07:55 PM)
japanese are so ugly make east asian look bad
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icon_confused.gif Actually, jpopculture makes east-asians attracitve.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/endless_aoi/25475.html



QUOTE (funkycoldmedina @ Oct 19 2005, 10:25 PM)
QUOTE (DetunedRadio @ Oct 19 2005, 10:20 PM)
QUOTE (toki @ Oct 19 2005, 10:01 PM)
hmmm. a lotta asians in asia think they look better than asian americans. icon_confused.gif  my preference is that i think asians in asia look better. but we all got different tastes biggrin.gif
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i think its just fashion and maybe paleness. and yes, i agree the youth in asia do have much better fashion and maybe they are paler.
*



i dunno, when i was in seoul the fashion there pretty much mimicked New York and alot of European trends. Although you're right about being paler. and more 'feminine' there was definately more girlish giggling between friends then you'd see between AAF in the US.
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Talktohand.gif What european trends? Be more precise, and name some european trends and from which country it is.
Every country takes over the trends from other countries as well. But there are dominating fashion-places, like New York, Paris, Tokyo.
I've seen a lot of white people mimicking the afro-american fashion.
toki
gackt is too pretty for a male eek.gif
running horse
Actually, jpopculture makes east-asians attracitve.


true, true biggthumpup.gif
DetunedRadio
QUOTE (running horse @ Oct 20 2005, 04:01 PM)
Actually, jpopculture makes east-asians attracitve.


true, true biggthumpup.gif
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no it only makes japanese attractive
Zezei
but it makes them positive and openminded towards east-asian(looking) guys in general.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/homasse/2005/09/04/

(the last 2 entries)

http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=homasse

(her profile, very interesting^^)


http://www.livejournal.com/users/ryoko293/

(her icon is a chinese/taiwanese actor)
DavidChen
Remind me to be cautious if i ever receive oral sex from a japanese girl. badteeth.gif- :shocked:
natsuki
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i dunno, when i was in seoul the fashion there pretty much mimicked New York and alot of European trends. Although you're right about being paler. and more 'feminine' there was definately more girlish giggling between friends then you'd see between AAF in the US.
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Talktohand.gif  What european trends? Be more precise, and name some european trends and from which country it is.
Every country takes over the trends from other countries as well. But there are dominating fashion-places, like New York, Paris, Tokyo.
I've seen a lot of white people mimicking the afro-american fashion.
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DONT FORGET LONDON!!!
natsuki
QUOTE (DavidChen @ Oct 21 2005, 01:12 PM)
Remind me to be cautious if i ever receive oral sex from a japanese girl.  badteeth.gif-  :shocked:
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embarassedlaugh.gif2 embarassedlaugh.gif2 embarassedlaugh.gif2 embarassedlaugh.gif2
Nihonto
QUOTE (Zezei @ Oct 20 2005, 12:31 PM)
QUOTE (Nihonto @ Oct 19 2005, 05:47 PM)
Actually, I heard they don't value dental as much as other beauty qualities, unlike the west.
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I've seen a lot of white people with bad teeth.



I mean teeth aren't as important over there as over here in America.
supernovasp
QUOTE (MING-LOYALIST @ Oct 19 2005, 05:51 PM)
Japanese women are evolving into little girls.Sad(actually this is happening all over east asia.)

And those Japanese girls need to eat more.LOL
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Lol The irony lies within your sig embarassedlaugh.gif

Here's a random picture of Japanese woman in Omotesando
embarassedlaugh.gif

Jizzah
the last time i saw a japanese girl irl was a couple of weeks ago. about 5'6 in height and gorgeous - nice butt and legs too, if i may say so. i thought she was korean at first until i heard her speaking japanese.
Truth Master
geezz...why do people always assume? of all the japanese chicks i've seen, most of them were very beautiful, of medium height, and had GOOD, straight teeth. Of course, they were japanese-americans/canadians, raised up in north america. the only difference btw them and other east asian chicks was they had bigger racks. and that's a GOOD thing. embarassedlaugh.gif
Jizzah
I saw a Japanese woman a while ago, btw. In her mid to late 20s. About 5'4. Looks medium in height. I thought she was Korean until I heard her speak. The Japanese guy she was with looked a bit Chinese and Korean mixed, sort of the nerdy with glasses and tight pants, type.
FantasyClover
the japanese in america have straight teeth. Its just the ones in Japan. I dont think Japan emphasize the importance of dental health enough.
toki
QUOTE (Truth Master @ Oct 21 2005, 01:44 PM)
geezz...why do people always assume? of all the japanese chicks i've seen, most of them were very beautiful, of medium height, and had GOOD, straight teeth. Of course, they were japanese-americans/canadians, raised up in north america. the only difference btw them and other east asian chicks was they had bigger racks. and that's a GOOD thing.    embarassedlaugh.gif
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well.. i know that in japan they dont look to dental work as much as westerners cuz its not as important. but being in japan several times, i noticed a lot of japanese people (not only girls) who had crooked teeth. but dental work is starting to get more popular in japan slowly. there was even a trend of unorganized teeth as being cute because some celebrities and models had such teeth (they gave a name for it . i forgot).

not all but a good amount do in japan.
Zezei
I think people think itīs only cute for girls, but guys do have to have good teeth.
Itīs interesting how they (japanese women especially) spend so much care and money on their skin, and less on their teeth. While american people do not care so much for their skin, and take normal care of their teeth.

But Iīm sure itīs clean, just the appearance doesnīt matter so much to some.
And there are exceptions of course.
Most celebs do have straight (and white teeth) though. Like Shimatani Hitomi, Gackt, Ayumi Hamasaki, Takuya Kimura, and such.
FantasyClover
QUOTE (Zezei @ Oct 21 2005, 03:54 PM)
I think people think itīs only cute for girls, but guys do have to have good teeth.
Itīs interesting how they (japanese women especially) spend so much care and money on their skin, and less on their teeth. While white people do not care so much for their skin, and take normal care of their teeth.

But Iīm sure itīs clean, just the appearance doesnīt matter so much to some.
And there are exceptions of course.
Most celebs do have straight (and white teeth) though. Like Shimatani Hitomi, Gackt, Ayumi Hamasaki, Takuya Kimura, and such.
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lol yeah when guys have bad teeth its just.......bad embarassedlaugh.gif
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