My family still follows the Shaman ways, but I never bothered to learn. The family I married into were Christian. There was a conflict there in the beginning because my family wasn't Christian so there was a bit of confusion during the wedding.

Do your parents still give you poop for (dating/hanging out with) another Hmong person with a different religion?

Growing up, my parents didn't like the fact that we went to the local Hmong church because it wasn't what they followed. They were fine if we went to the Baptist Church with the American people - for one - to get us out of the house on sundays, and two - so Hmong people wouldn't talk about how we don't follow our parents' beliefs.

What are you going through now with that issue and where do you stand? It's been a while so I don't know if Hmong parents have gotten more lenient.

Though I'm divorced now, I still have faith in God. I respect what my parents believe and what they follow and I'm glad they don't pressure me into the Shaman rituals and practices. (though I would like to learn for the record)

nice story so whats the point of this ?

Oh, I defenitely know where your comming from.

I can relate to the whole 'Go to Sunday School with the American folk' and stay out of trouble -- but when it comes to practicing the belief at home, (praying etc) My father would get angry.

It's been years since I went to Sunday school over at my old church -- But I recentely started going to a new one church for a Christian Teen program. Mother has somewhat converted to being more easy-going with my beliefs. My father on the other hand, does NOT approve of this. He believes I'll forget my hmong traditions (as if I ever followed them in the first place.. I'm just not traditional. :\)..

Where I live, we have a hmong church and I believe they practice Christianity but even with that being said, My parents still don't believe in Jesus/God.

I'm glad that I've become of age and can decide on what religion I want to persue - Whether it be the Shaman ways (never got why my grandfather would spaz out like he does -- oh, it's what you would call a trance? not sure.) I didn't think Women of our ethnicity could become a shaman. Or, That's what I've been told all these ages..

I urged my mom and I to go to church. I regret that every single day!

well, just to state this initially, i dont really like these religion topics, mainly cause they usually cause a lot of flaming when people start disagreeing with one another. but i will input my views on it.
personally, my parents do not care who i hang out with, because even though i am still with the traditional shamanistic religion, i have cousins and relatives who go to church, although they're not CMA, so it could be different i guess. (dont wanna offend anyone, but i think CMA hmong folks lean a bit towards the more extreme side of christianity, meaning they're much more into religion and less flexible with accepting/dealing with other religions.)
i have friends of many religions, and my parents dont necisarilly mind who i hang out with and talk to, but they did say they wanted me to retain my traditional religion, and i dont really have any issue with that. but i guess being a guy, it's totally different from a girl who has to marry into a religion.
but i think the line that drives the division is not in the religions of christianity and shamanism itself, but the mindset of hmong people. the way of thinking for the elder generations, whether they be christian or shamanistic, are quite narrow minded. thus will trickle down into thier children and likely influence them. it comes to the circumstances where one side strides to retain thier old beliefs and in turn keep thier age old identities, whereas the other side strides for changes and leaving the older traditions behind.
from personal observation, i do notice these differences, in ceremonies ranging from weddings, to funerals, and even to new years. change is certainly not bad, but i do notice that it is ripping our culture apart and sets us all in different directions...away from peace and prosperity and from tradition as well. i feel as though our language and identity will soon be lost in the coming decades. many do not speak hmong anymore, more so reading and writing it. and although new years only comes at the end of the year, even our youth do not cloth themselves in the traditional clothing anymore. our culture and people have been rapidly assimilated into this country, where some embrace it and others reject it.
so the bottom line is, it's not the religion, it's the individuals that make such lines that divide us all.

oh, that was a nice reply and basically sums up everything I wanted to say also, I have nothing against either religion as well but its the mindset of the older and new generation and how they apply these religions that affect my opinion about each culture

there kicking me out of the house if im dating a shamen, but damn them girls hott! im scared to go in there house...

This really isn't asking any opinions, but it's nice to hear what you think.

i used to talk to this girl. but, she didnt want to hook up because i was shaman. sucked cause i really liked her.

I Respect Both Hmong Shaman And Hmong Christian...

yea i feel ya on this one man. the conversations always go good and smooth until they find out your religion.

Yeah thats good. Thats the way it should be. Look past the religions.

see wat i don't understand is that hmong christian don't really like us shaman... i'm not sayin all of them don't but most of them... i have a few friends who are christian and we get along just fine even with their parents.... i think in some way they think we believe in the "DEVIL/DEMON" but won't don't more of a spiritual... and they believe that their way is the ONLY way to get to heaven... which if u feel that's true than that's up to you... i believe that we are both hmong we should repect both religion... and just get along... because christain GIRLS ARE FINE AS HELL and i'd like to get along wit their family too

Dude, are you the fake rapper jakobie or the real one cause this one rapper jakobie from shaolinent.com said he never came by here before..

Don't mind this dude cause I don't think he likes christian that much.. Never talk bout religion around people like him.. So anyways, I don't think it's fiar for the hmong girls to have to switch to what religion their husband believe in even though I'm a guy..

^ of course i dont like christian, cuz they blind people eyes by the name of god





LMAO damn this happen to me once...this one girl call me up and the chattin was nice and smooth but until i talk bout the religion and told her we're shaman then she start to sound quiet then after ther that she only call me
once more then stop 2

yea man, we're all in this together. we gotta erase this 'devil worshiper' image that has been stereotypically labeled onto us.

[quote=hmong_til_i_die,Oct 27 2005, 10:45 AM]
^ of course i dont like christian, cuz they blind people eyes by the name of god

Then what the hell is so important by shaman too then huh?? Every religion has it's own good and bads.. So what, yo eyes is so blinded by the name of the devil.. I'm kind of against the hate between two religion. You probably never been through enough to know the difference... Show some respect if you want some in return dude.. I use to be just like you, hating on all the religion except ours, I learned a good lesson from it.. Just appreciate..

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[quote=hmong_til_i_die,Oct 27 2005, 10:45 AM]
^ of course i dont like christian, cuz they blind people eyes by the name of god

Then what the hell is so important by shaman too then huh?? Every religion has it's own good and bads.. So what, yo eyes is so blinded by the name of the devil.. I'm kind of against the hate between two religion. You probably never been through enough to know the difference... Show some respect if you want some in return dude.. I use to be just like you, hating on all the religion except ours, I learned a good lesson from it.. Just appreciate..

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Yeah that's right....
OR....You could Just don't give sh*t too!!! 2

[quote=lyrical_lordz,Oct 30 2005, 01:18 PM]
[quote=hmong_til_i_die,Oct 27 2005, 10:45 AM]
^ of course i dont like christian, cuz they blind people eyes by the name of god

Then what the hell is so important by shaman too then huh?? Every religion has it's own good and bads.. So what, yo eyes is so blinded by the name of the devil.. I'm kind of against the hate between two religion. You probably never been through enough to know the difference... Show some respect if you want some in return dude.. I use to be just like you, hating on all the religion except ours, I learned a good lesson from it.. Just appreciate..

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ahahah u dumb $hit!!!! i say i dont like, i didnt say "hate" read more carefully next time. i got my like and dislike if u cant respect that then ur the one whos hating on me....lol child these day
Devil??? spirit is devil ???? now thats weird....we believe in spirit and stuff and u call that devil lol 2 ur the devil him self

There is something i don't understsand. i've been through lots of funky situations with christian hmong ppl. when they ask me what my religion is and i tell them i am a shamanist, they ignore me and never talk to me again. Also, most of my frens who are christians are "forbidden" to marry outside of their religion by their parents. then, there was this problem that happened a few weeks ago with a christian funeral i attended. my aunty passed away, she's a shamanist but they turned her funeral into a christian funernal even though her LAST WISH ON EARTH was to have a SHAMAN TYPE of funeral. that pissed the F*** out of me, really. Why can't we give one last wish to a dying person?! GEEZ! her funeral made me look down on lots of hmong christians because all that funeral was abt was to convert US(shamans) into christians. i really wanted to shoot someone that day. hehehe i look at that as a disgrace to the hmong ppl sometimes b/c even though they believe in God they should still respect other religions within their group. BTW, I ain't hatin' anyone. i respect every religion. these are jus some experiences that pissed me off but still I AIN'T HATIN'

My dad seems to forbid me go near the Christian...<_<....why? you should know the reason why.

My mom don't really care..........>_<.....

But from what I think.......I don't know.....

i feelin you.....did she marry a christain husband ?

ahahah u dumb $hit!!!! i say i dont like, i didnt say "hate" read more carefully next time. i got my like and dislike if u cant respect that then ur the one whos hating on me....lol child these day
Devil??? spirit is devil ???? now thats weird....we believe in spirit and stuff and u call that devil lol 2 ur the devil him self

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You trash face, Define LIKE and HATE they're the same but different words!! If you don't like something then WHAT? you must hate it huh?? huh? huh? You Stupid airhead, shaman people worship the devil, no wonder you know nothing bout our religion!! I don't have two horns on my head like you.. I don't know who's the child, but it's probably you.. Do more research in our religion and culture when you're on the net aight, peace...

That's the best thing to do these days, don't hate just appreciate.. Those people who ignores you, that's them, you got to remember that, they got no respect.. While you can be different.. Just keep it cool... Keep in mind that Hmong people are strict about their religion (Ones who doen't know how to think) and it's one of our top problems in the hmong community.. Just make a difference.

[quote=lyrical_lordz,Oct 31 2005, 10:09 AM]
ahahah u dumb $hit!!!! i say i dont like, i didnt say "hate" read more carefully next time. i got my like and dislike if u cant respect that then ur the one whos hating on me....lol child these day
Devil??? spirit is devil ???? now thats weird....we believe in spirit and stuff and u call that devil lol 2 ur the devil him self

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You trash face, Define LIKE and HATE they're the same but different words!! If you don't like something then WHAT? you must hate it huh?? huh? huh? You Stupid airhead, shaman people worship the devil, no wonder you know nothing bout our religion!! I don't have two horns on my head like you.. I don't know who's the child, but it's probably you.. Do more research in our religion and culture when you're on the net aight, peace...

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U dumb Fuk! when did i say HATE ? stop adding word i never say u jackass. lol ur as dumb as u type in here so STFU. so u dont noe the definition? check in the dictionary u total jackass.. no brain or what ? lol we worship the devil? i thought u were the devil 2 and when did people start having horns ? lol ur the who need to do research cuz the way u talk it sound like u making stuff up

I just found out that soem of my relatives where christians, no wonder they stopped coming to our shamanistic gathering and such. I heard from my mom that their are some major issues, usually it's that a person marries a christian and is told to convert or their leaving them, sad I know. My cousin, which I was naived and didn't think that he was christian, stopped coming to the traditional family gathering to bless the family/etc. I've always wondered why they stopped coming, I finally found out when me and my cousin, at that time was talking about his mom's death and them possibly converting because his player father felt betrayed by the spirits due to her death, lol, it was more him

being an @$$ and being a total kid when it comes to women. Then it got to why some of our cousins/relatives don't come to our ritual things anymore, and what usually was the main reason was the people they married into (christians) thought we weren't worthy of them, and made the person marrying into their families convert and stop seeing us all together, which suxed, some of my cousins that stopped coming, I really liked hanging out with. Recently some have started coming back, only because their parent's or

i say...it really doesn't matter for me..cuz my cousin are christain and my parents aren't but they respect each other beliefs so it makes no differences..

elders back in laos/thailand/etc b!tched at them enough to make them come back and try to mend things with the families they grew up with, even if they had to come to the ritiuals alone. Not all the christian hmong families was so "you're not worthy" but it was the majority, 75%+. Weird that their families who didn't convert never made a rucus on that fact that they were christians and should convert back to their shamanistic roots or be excommunicated. Just my 2 cents.

Oh yah, after my cousins dad said he might convert my dad said he might too, that came out of left field *just like that scene where in "rookie of the year" that kid with the healing broken arm throws that heater from outfield all the way to home plate*, they were and are close and was my mom and their mom. I'll stay with my shamanistic beliefs, even if I don't know much about it, some1 has to keep it alive somehow, if only we *hmong* had some1 who could go around spending all their time recording all of our traditions before all the old people die and the young people get converted or forget, I wish we had a hmong george lucas or steven spielberg.

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no double posting!!

could you tell me what's behind the joke of 2 cent?

didn't double post, ran out of space, so I started new posts...hehe. That wasn't a joke, it was meant to say that, those are my thoughts.

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you can't ran out of space....and you did double post...

are you sure you can't run out of space? or is it that fast reply is limited to a certain amount of chars? I used fast reply.

do you even know what double posting mean? LOL it mean you can't replay until someone had replay than you could replay back..cuz i keep seeing you post one and than another one...if you wanted to add more stuff on youre post us the edit button...and the fast replay button is us when you really wanted to replay and can't wait 30 second before replaying....

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yes i just notice that too...

I know what db-posting means, I was just trying to say that, have you tried to fit what I wrote into a fast reply box and saw if it fit or not, the whole 3 seperate posting into 1 fast reply box? And yes, I'm lazy and don't like to wait, so I use the fast reply option...hehe. I'm a real point-n-click type of person...haha.

LOL don't use the fast reply button it doesn't give you that much room go to add reply it's much better!!

I use to use Fast reply all the time....but then it didn't have smileys.. 2

Okay let's go back on topic...

there's nothing to say...about this topic...i already say what i wanted...

If you have a question about double posting, please feel free to PM any moderators of this forum. If not, stop going off topic.

Honestly, I've never encountered a Hmong Chrisitan before. Actually, that's a lie. My aunts that live in other states are Hmong Christians, but they've never tried to convert my family into Chrisitianity, or anything like that. But anyway, my parents don't have any problems with Hmong Christians, mostly because they've never really encountered them (I'm not sure), except for my aunts and their families, of course.

you masterbater, where do you go after death then if you believe in shaman?? In hell you azz, that's why you worship the devil.. Ask the old people you trash digger.. Oh yeah, http://soundclick.com/lyricallordz

ALLAH AKBAR!

Alelelelelelele... Allah akbar!

Hey lyrical,

Aren't you quoting yourself?

LOL hehehe I needed that laugh.

who's to say that shamanists go to hell after death? people can say all they want, but they really dont know anything because nobody knows what happens after people pass away. and here you are trying to flame with your supposedly christian background. hypocricy flows in your very own statements.

Christian? Shaman?

Most hmong christians are just a bunch of hypocrites anyways. They go to church, come home, go back to church, etc...

And most hmong shamanists are only shamanist when "special" events occur (i.e. marriage, death, celebration, etc...). The other 362 days of the year they don't believe in crap...

It doesn't matter if they're shaman or christian... they'd probably be better off calling themselves non-religious or pagans.

Don't take it personally, I'm just generalizing the community as a whole (especially the youth... old people have a better grip on reality). Not all people are like this... but look around... and you will notice people like this. As a matter of fact, look at yourself and determine with a SOBER JUDGEMENT if you are this way. Then decide if you want to argue about it, or change it by being more devoted to your particular "faith".

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Didn't even see that!