"For world peace to be achieved, East Asia will take the lead." - Du HongYi, 2004.
East Asia is one of the world's fastest growing and most developed regions, however, it's also one of the biggest "potential" powder kegs. In order to prevent furthur violent conflicts in Asia, it's essential to create our own peace-keeping body like NATO in Europe. To make this mechanism legit and influencial, two major Asian powers must be included, and most important of all, they must learn how to work with each other. These two nations are China and Japan. The relationship between the dragon and the tiger is very interesting and dramatic. Japan is one of China's biggest trading partners, and China is Japan's biggest market. Both sides share similar values, languages, cultures...etc. But if you think they're close as husband and wife, you are wrong. The animosity lie between China and Japan is one major factor that makes East Asia unstable. Why hate each other you might wonder? I can tell you, events during World War II were sad and disturbing, but they're certainly not why Chinese don't feel friendly toward their neighbor. It is the Japanese extreme right-wingers' cover-up of Japan's warcrimes that makes Chinese sick. I, as a Chinese, believe Japanese people are too, victims of the government propaganda. Comparing with the entire Japanese population, extreme right-wing is considered a minority. However, it is this minority that somehow gets its way to keep haunting the great Japanese people, and instigating hatred between Japanese and Chinese.
History can be a painful memory for both peoples, but once we know how to face it and solve it, benefits will be brought down to both countries. And by that time, an efficient and influencial East Asian peacekeeping mechanism can be achieved ( now i'm finally getting to the topic). By establishing the Beijing-Tokyo axis, not only Chinese, but Japanese will also be able to take advantages of it. First, Japan no longer has to worry about an 'aggressive' China. These two most well-developed countries do not have to worry about having to compete with each other in a negative sense ( i.e. arm race...etc.). They don't need to be concerned about getting backstabbed. Moreover, China and Japan can generously provide each other certain helps ( technological, financial, diplomatic...). In addition, North Korea will be merely a piece of you-know-what when China and Japan work together and put pressure on Kim. The Beijing-Tokyo Axis will certainly eliminate the paranoia of "China and NK" threat to Japan, the presence of USA troops in Japan and SK proves to be useless. Japanese people can ask USA troops to leave without worrying anything, thus reduce the American political/economic influence in Asia. From a diplomatic point of view, China is a permanent member of UN security council, Japan is a worldwidely recognized power. Together they can have more say in international affairs and make the highest profit possible to both countries. Considering the success of ethnic Chinese throughout South East Asia ,China's rising economy, and the good relationship between China and ASEAN ( from which China can easily acquire natural resources for industrial use), the 21st century trend will be more "pro-China". Japan will definately be benefited by working together with this massive partner.


- just my opinion. Don't need to take me seriously.

Hmmm... great topic 直隸總督. I don't usually see your post like this before, but I like your opinion. How does APTO (Asian Paccific Treaty Organization) sound?

I like your post. Very much so. Perhaps we will see it happen one day. If it ever does it will be a difficult path to gain that relationship.

hey....I actually posted intelligent topics....once in a while.


It'll be difficult. But greatness doesn't come with hardship.

I am all for this idea. An Asian axis, especially starting between China and Japan [Beijing and Tokyo] would definitely contribute to stabilizing the Asian region. After those two are established, other nations would also be able to join, making the Asian front stronger than ever, and it would probably even match NATO in power of some sort.

However, in the real world, this is not probable, unless the leaders are willing to come to terms with each other. Which I hope will happen sometime in the near future, but we can not depend on this completely.

This is an unreachable dream, but also a handy reality. People will strive and do anything for betterhood, this is the reality. I don't think the leaders will ignore this practical reality and look for whatever crazy things in their minds.

More friends the merrier. Sing tralalalala!! Cough~

I have problems to decode your message.

Japan is too arrogant. This will never happen. Instead, I believe one day again war will break out between china and japan. That time, I believe is revenge time for china.

That's a stupid thought. If revenge is cast it'll just be back and forth of massacres.

What the hell is with your thirst for war and revenge? Damn you really need to stop that. Keep it to yourself.

Have our Japanese friends here come up with opinions/advices/plans ? Please share with me. Thanks. ( lol, Ogumo especially you)

Well if this stupid revenge thing happens, lets hope the last 2 people living from both sides make a treaty.

Well it would definatly be difficult as we have said. I dont japanese arrogance is a factor in this situation. Lets look at the most difficult things we will have to over come.

1. Relations on both will have to improve. Even if japan were to appologize it would be the begining but I doubt the chinese would satisfied. Then again who knows.

2. In china maybe it is just being japanese....but there seems to be a wave of anti japanism. That will have change.

3. Japan is very very pro west. Japan will have to shift from being so readily pro america everything and become more pro chinese.

Another big issue is trust. There is just pure distrust with both of these nations.

Historically japan has feared china for years and years. I am not living in japan. But I am sure there are japanese begining to worry about china. In the future if japan and china begin working on projects together and becoming more friendly. Perhaps that would the possible fear.

Of course there are chinese that see militarism becoming more popular in japan now. I am sure there are chinese that are considering a possible second on china. Or something along that way. I dont know how to ease that problem.

There are also japanese that look down on chinese people. There numbers are not high but they exist. Some positions of power. For example ishihara. Eventually as the chinese become more successful those views may possibly die and lessen their numbers. Perhaps they will say modern china is no longer communist pawn it was in the early 50s.

There are chinese that thirst for revenge against japan. Example huaren. Perhaps that anger will erode if japan appologizes and china pushs to have a friendlier view on japan. Perhaps they will say modern japan is not as they once thought.

These were just few problems and soloutions that I came up with. Though there are many more things that need to be addressed.

such different economy. in china GNP is around 3,200 average (2002 est) and japan much much much higher

Perhaps. But china economy will surpass japanese economy in this decade I believe. Even if it is not this decade it will happen. China is much much larger than japan is.

I don't think decade, maybe a few more decades. China's GNP isn't growing exponentially i don't think. The rural population in china isn't helping to the GNP (more emphasis on the N in the abbreviation).

The chinese gnp was growing at a "alarming" rate from what I remember.

I doubt Chinese people would ask for more if Japan apologized appropriately. Chinese have been known as peaceful and tolerant. But as you said, who knows.


It will have to change, definately.


China's rising economy and technologies should solve this. I hope.


I believe the extreme right-wing Japanese politicians are responsible for breaking Japan's image. ( Visiting the WW2 shrine, racist comments...etc.) Hopefully Japanese people can vote them out of office.


As you said, hopefully economy will solve this.

That was a while ago. It fluctuated a bit, go to google and search it up, its a linear not logistic or exp. growth.

sigh..... this person can bow to a white man for something he's not even responsible of. Yet he wouldn't even say a "sorry" to 1.3 billion Chinese.

I think this bow is justified. Why not? I would bow to a Spanish ambassador, who would be white, if his nation just suffered a great loss from terrorists. Wouldn't you?

As for saying sorry to 1.3 billion Chinese. The two situations are completely different. How can you compare them? The Chinese/Japanese issue is "personal" if you will, involved Chinese and Japanese directly. The bombings in Spain had nothing to do with Spanish/Japanese.

I don't think you ever understand. If you are a chinese. Please don't call yourself as a chinese. Go become a japanese. Japanese kill how many chinese? Let me ask you? Are you crazy of Japanese culture? Than go create yourself your own japanese name like "Doshimama" or what so ever.

Japanese done heavy dammage to Chinese as well too many chinese has tortured dead. And they never apologize. Why this is completely diffrent? Why don't ever you think more?

直隸總督:

I am sure if terroists have destroyed something in china koizumi would have done the same for china as he did for spain.

The only thing I have to say is that was mean with what you said to chynagongju you didn't have to say that to her. And she certainly didn't deserve that kind of critisim.

It is you who needs to "think more". By bowing to the Spaniard, Koizumi was not apologizing for anything. He was offering his condolences. Bowing is not always an act of apology in Japanese culture - it can mean many things.

As for your and 直隸總督's bringing up of what now-mostly-dead Japanese did to now-mostly-dead Chinese more than 60 years ago, in response to a Japanese man who wasn't even born then offering his condolences to a representative of a nation mourning a recent tragedy, I can only call it hot-headed and self-centered at the very least. And your questioning of chynagongju's Chinese identity because she saw through the premise of your petty rantings calls for a real bowing of apology - yours to her!

Chinese to Chinese arguement because of some japanese issue.

Right, I admit I was being too bitter. Please accept my apologies.

A Beijing-Tokyo Axis should be created even if just to solve the Korean "issue" so that we can tell the U.S. not to stick its nose where it doesn't belong.