Cao Cao (Pretty interesting guy, but I've only learned about him through Dynasty Warriors and i'm not sure how accurate that is )

I'm perhaps the one of the few who know Xu Shichang was. I'm 17 years old, interested in Chinese history. I have quite an extensive knowledge on history of Chinese Beiyang Warlords. Xu Shichang was a bright old fox. During his presidency, he tried to balance out different warlord factinos and made himself a stand point. Zhiwan War broke out 直皖戰爭 ( war between Zhili and Anhui cliques), Zhili clique finally drove out the Anhui Clique warlords and dominated the Beijing government. And they Zhili clique defeated Fengtian clique in The 1st Zhifeng war 第一次直奉戰爭. Unfortunately, after Zhili clique ( which was once pro-Xu) held the ultimate positions in the government, they turned against Xu. Zhili Clique warlords, namely Cao Kun 曹錕 and Wu Peifu 吳佩孚 put the coward Li Yuanhong 黎元洪 as the president. After one year, the parliament ( composed of congressmen who received bribes from Zhili Clique) elected Cao Kun as the president of Republic of China.



lol, actually president Yuan Shikai was one of my idols too. I have different scales for whom I admire.

Yes, I admire Zhang Xueliang also. He helped Jiang Jieshi and the Guomindang to win the Battle of Zhongyuan 中原大戰 ( Battle of Middle Earth) in 1930, and decided to join China under qing tian bai ri man di hong flag.

One of the scholar at Qing dynasty, Ki Xiao nan is my favorite hero.
He not also received enormous amount of knowledge, also he had great passion for all the people in China.
My mistake on typing, it is suppose to be Ji Xiao Nan.

can you write it out in Chinese? I don't think your spelled the pinyin right

紀 曉 嵐
Do not know if you can see it or not.

SUN LI-JEN WASN AND IS THE "SMARTEST" GENERAL IN KUOMINTANG HISTORY
HIS NICKNAME "ROMMEL OF THE EAST" AS A TRIBUTE TO HIS ACHIEVEMENT DURING SINO-JAPANESE WAR.........HIS NEW FIRST ARMY WAS THE BEST
AT DEFEATING JAPANESE TROOPS....HE RECEIVE A DEGREE OF CIVIL ENGINEERING FROM PURDUE UNIVERSITY ????? JUST HOW MANY MILITARY LEADER IN CHINESE MODERN HISTORY ABLE TO DO THAT ?? LOLZ

HIS CAREER CAME TO AN END AT 1955, AFTER REPORTEDLY FOR ATTEMPTING TO LAUNCH A COUP AGAINST CHIANG KAI-SHEK, AND FOR THAT HE WAS HELD UNDER HOUSE ARREST UNTIL 1988.....THE LONGEST SERVING POLITICAL PRISONER ALONG WITH ANOTHER PHENOM.....ZHANG XUELIANG "YOUNG MARSHALL".................

HE GOT ARRESTED NOT BECAUSE OF "CHIANG CHING-KUO"......AT THAT TIME CHIANG WASNT EVEN IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO RAISE SUCH AN ISSUE.....IT HAPPENED COZ RUMORS SPREAD THAT HIM HAD CONNECTION WITH USA.....HE WAS A DESIRE REPLACEMENT TO CHIANG KAI-SHEK BECAUSE OF HIS CONTINUE RESENTMENT TOWARDS AMERICAN INFLUENCE ON THE ISLAND.

GENERAL SUN WAS ONE OF VERY FEW PEOPLE TO HAVE BORN AND DIE IN THE SAME DATE......HE WAS EXACT 91 YEARS OLD
(NOVEMBER-19-1899 -- NOVEMBER-19-1990)
AN INTERENSTING POLITICAL FIGURE.......

EXCELLENT POST AS ALWAYS


HEY TELL ME.....WHO DO YOU ADMIRE THE MOST......YUAN OR XU ?????
XU REALLY DIDNT MADE ANY MAJOR IMPACT TO BE CONSIDER AS ANYONE'S HERO IN MY OPINION.
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RATING ON BOTH OF THEM ?????
IN TERMS OF "CUNNING" AND "BRIGHT"......I MUST SAY YUAN WAS LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF "XU"......XU SHICHANG WAS MORE OF A XIAO-REN......YUAN WAS JUST PLAIN "STINKY".....THATS THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE.

THERES ANOTHER OLD TRICKY FOX THAT YOU FORGOT.....HE WAS CONSIDER ONE OF QING MUO TI DU ZHONG DE SHAN DA SHA SHOU (TOP 3 LATE QING DYNASTY
DYNAMO WITHIN THE DYNASTY)....CEN CHUNXUAN
I THINK YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW WHO HE IS......HE WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF VERY FEW QING DYNASTY OFFICIAL TO STILL REMAIN INFLUENTIAL IN THE NEWLY FOUND REPUBLIC OF CHINA.....WAS GENERALISSIMO OF THE MILITARY GOVERNMENT K.M.T FROM 1918 - 1920.

CEN CHUNXUAN WAS KNOWN AS "TU GUAN"......ZHANG ZIDONG AS (TU CAI) WHILE YUAN SHIKAI WAS KNOWN AS "TU MING".........


AMONG THOSE PRESIDENTS IN BEIYANG WARLORD PERIOD.....WHO WAS THE WORSE AND WHOS THE BEST (WELL ALL OF THEM SUCK BUT ONE HAS TO BE
BETTER THAN ANOTHER IN TERM OF LEADERSHIP ABILITY)
AND IF THERES ONE WORD TO DESCRIBE EACH OF THEM.....WHAT WOULD THAT BE ?? I ONLY KNOW LI YUANHONG AND XU SHICHANG

LI YUANHONG - COWARDLY
XU SHICHANG - CUNNING
FENG GUOZHANG - ??????
DUAN QIRUI - ??????
CAO KUN - ??????

NOT ONLY WERE THERE LOTS OF "PRESIENT" IN BEIYANG WARLORD PERIOD
THERE WAS EVEN MORE "ACTING" PRESIDENT AND PRIME MINISTER.....
NAMELY WELLINGTON KOO (GU WEI JUN).....A FAMOUS CAREER DIPLOMAT WHO WAS ONE OF THOSE OLD TIMER TO ACTUALLY LIVE INTO MODERN PERIOD
(1887 - 1985)

THOSE WARLORDS WHO WERENT ABLE TO BECOME PRESIDENT USUALLY ENDS UP BECOMING "ACTING" PRESIDENT OR PRIME MINISTER
I NOTICE SHANDONG WARLORD JIN YUNPENG WAS IN THERE.....FUJIAN WARLORD SA ZHENBING WAS ALSO THERE. BLEND IN WITH SUPER ANCIENT LATE QING DYNASTY OFFICIAL WU TINGFANG (1842 - 1922).


I THINK CHIANG WAS A LUNATIC NOT TO FULLY EXTEND ZHANG XUELIANG'S KNOWLEDGE AND HIS PATRIOTIC DESIRE......I MEAN THE MAN COULD HAVE
EASILY ENDED HIS LIFE BUT CHOSE NOT TO.....THAT ALONE TELLS YOU THE MAN ZHANG WAS......PRECIOUS !!!!!!! HE LOVES HIS COUNTRY AND HE LOVE THE
REPUBLIC OF CHINA DESPITE OF BEING A WARLORD AND LOOK AT HIS HATE.....I BELIEVE ZHANG CAN BE A BETTER PRESIDENT THAN CHIANG KAI-SHEK.

CHIANG ALWAYS HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS TO ELIMINATE HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS.....NAMELY CHEN YI....THE FORMER ZHEJIANG WARLORD WHO LATER BECAME CHIEF GARRISON OF TAIWAN.....WAS FALSELY ACCUSE OF BEING CO-OPERATE WITH COMMUNIST.....SUN LI-JEN.....FALSELY ACCUSE OF ATTEMPTING TO PLOT A COUP AGAINST HIMSELF......AND SO ON

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HES THE ONE THAT I FEEL SHOULD BE THE SUCCESSOR TO MAO......HES FAR MORE ROUNDED COMPARE TO LIN BIAO.....BY FAR THE MOST INTELLEGIANT POLITICIAN AMONG TOP 10 MARSHALL OF CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY.
SECOND IN LINE WILL BE YE JIANYING.....XU XIANGQIAN.....HE LONG....PENG DEHUAI AND NIE RONGZHEN.

HOW DO I INSERT A PIC IN MY POST ?????


I DONT SEE ANY OPTION HERE THAT WILL ALLOW ME TO POST A PIC IN MY

POST LIKE SO MANY OF YOU DID ??????

HELP ?????

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Yuan Shikai, I have to say, was not as "stinky" as some historians portrayed. Without him, there would be no Republic of China. Before Qing fell, his last position was Prime Minister and basically the leader of entire Beiyang army. 1) If Yuan really attacked the revolutionaries, Huangxi and the party would've been completely destroyed and Sun Yisen had to start all over. 2) If there were enough people who supported the revolution, it'd become a large-scale civil war. a great oppurtunity to let millions of Chinese civilians die. What did he do? He chose peace. In fact, the Battle of Hanyang was the only battle fought during the Xinhai revolution. For the following two months, Yuan and the revolutionary party was in the process of negotiation. By the way, Yuan Shikai was also the strongest anti-boxer, the most reform-minded official, and an advocate of military modernization. Perhaps the "stinkiest" part of him was the "21 demands". In fact, less than 10 of the articles were actually accepted by the government. Most of them were either postponed, deleted or withdrawn. Even within the ones he accepted, he organized different schemes which minized their effects. Japan did not get anything from the 21 demands. It was later when Duan Qirui became premier after Yuan's death, Duan put national sovereignty, lands, mines, railraods, industries all on sale for Japanese just to get some firearms to fight civil wars. Also, Yuan did not try to enthrone himself as a feudal emperor as many people thought. He wanted to create a constitutional monarchy just like Great Britain and Germany. Back in the days, most people were not familiar with the "republic", it was indeed better to have a permanent monarch and a public-elected prime minister.

I also admire Xu because he was considered the brain of Yuan Shikai. In Qing dynasty, Xu made many plan/schemes for Yuan to rise to power and to gain control over the military.


Yes, I know Cen Chunxuan 岑春煊. He was Yuan's biggest enemy in Qing dynasty. In late Qing, Yuan sided with Prince Qing 慶親王, while Cen aligned with Cu Hongji 瞿鴻機. However, I don't think Cen Chunxuan was effective during the Beiyang era at all. Although he was a member of southern military government and one of the seven chairmen 七總裁, he himself didn't have military thus not as effective as his student Lu Rongting.


1st provisional president - Sun Yisen 孫逸仙
2nd provisional president - Yuan Shikai 袁世凱
president - Yuan Shikai 袁世凱
presidnet - Li Yuanhong 黎元洪
president - Feng Guozhang 馮國璋
president - Xu Shichang 徐世昌
president - Li Yuanhong 黎元洪
president - Cao Kun 曹錕
provisional governor 臨時執政 - Duan Qirui 段祺瑞
Grand Marshal - Zhang Zuolin 張作霖


Yes, there were 32 premiers


Jin Yunpeng served 3 terms of premier. Quite interesting, he was supposingly a part of Wan Clique, but he also had relationship with Zhi Clique. That's why he was able to survive after Zhi-Wan War

Sa Zhenbing 薩鎮冰 had been the minister of navy for quite a long time, I think they just used him as a transitional premier.

yes he was an antique, a good diplomat too. but mostly he served in the southern government.

Chen Yi was responsible for the 228 incident. Actually he did try to support the communist uprising like General Fu Zuoyi 傅作義

YEAH I WAS THINKING THE SAME ALSO.....I ALWAYS THOUGHT XU WAS MORE OF A STAFF INSTEAD OF A LEADER HIMSELF EVEN THOUGH HE WAS A VICEROY FOR DONG SHAN SHENG.....YOU RAISE A VERY INTERESTING POINT AND IT IS JUST TO PROVE HOW QUAN LI LIN REN FU BAI.....JU DUE DE CHUAN LI LIN REN JUE DUE FU BAI.....BUT IN YUAN'S CASE.....HE REFORM NOT FOR THE COUNTRY'S SAKE BUT FOR HIMSELF.....SO THAT IN THE PROCESS HE CAN SUCK SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF POWER ON THE WAY.....HE VISION HIMSELF AS A FUTURE KING OF A NEW DYNASTY......AND THATS JUST PLAIN "STUPID".
HES HEADING BACKWORD IN A TIME WHERE PEOPLE DEMANDS NEW CHANGE
IF YOU THINK HE WORK ALL HIS LIFE TO BE A "FIGUREHEAD" WANKER "QUEEN" LIKE THE ONES THEY HAVE IN BRITAIN THEN YOU ARE IN A SERIOUS DENIAL.....
OLD FOX LIKE YUAN AND XU DONT WORK THEIR BUTT OFF TO CREATE A "CONSTITUTIONAL" MONARCHY BUDDY.....HE VISIONED HIMSELF AS A KING AND HIS PLAN WAS EXPOSED BEFORE IT CAN EVER HAPPEN AND THAT WAS GOOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I BET YUAN AND XU BOTH OF THEM WERE SECRETLY LAUGHING AT YOUR SENTENCE RIGHT NOW FROM HELL (IF REALLY THERES ONE) FOR THINKING THEY WERE ACTUALLY WORK THEIR WHOLE LIFE TO BECOME A FIGUREHEAD POWERLESS "QUEEN"........LIKE IN A HOT TUB OHOOOOO DAMNNNNN WHAT A WORLD.......HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHINESE COMMUNISTS AND YUAN WAS THAT.....COMMUNISTS WERE ALWAYS AHEAD OF THEIR TIME AND KNEW EXACTLY WHAT PEOPLE WANTS.....MAO ZEDONG WAS THE BEST OF THEM ALL.....COMPARE XU TO HIM.....XU JUST XIAO WU JIAN DA WU.

CHINESE COMMUNISTS WERE REALLY TRICKY....EXTREMELY TRICKY.....IN A WAY THAT THEY KNEW EITHER ONE OF THEM HAS TO FORCE TO FIGHT AGAINST JAPANESE.....ONE HAS TO SACRIFICE.....SO THEY WERE JUST KEEP MOVING AROUND AND AROUND LIKE GUERILLA AND ALLOW THE NATIONALISTS TO EXHAUSTED THEMSELVES.....SACRIFICE MOST OF THEIR FORCE AND ENERGY AGAINST JAPANESE......YU BANG XIANG ZHEN YU ONG DE LI......THEN BOOM....WITH THEIR PRESERVED FORCE......KNOCK NATIONALIST OUT OF THEIR SOCKS.......BESIDES.....WITH THE EXTENDED PERIOD OF WAR AGAINST JAPAN.....CHIANG AND THE NATIONALISTS DIDNT EVEN HAVE SPARE ENERGY TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE......THE PSYCHE OF PEOPLE WERE LIKE.....SOMEHOW LIKE WOMAN.....IF YOU DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR WOMAN'S FEELING AND LEAVE HER AT HOME FOR TOO LONG......THEN SHES GONNA RUN INTO SOMEBODY'S ELSES ARM.....SAME SCENARIO HAPPEN TO CHIANG......AFTER THE WAR (EVEN DURING THE WAR).....PEOPLE WERE POOR....DESPERATE.....ANGRY.....FRUSTRATED.....THINKING THE REGIME WAS CORRUPTED BUT YET CHIANG IGNORE ALL THAT SIMPLY COZ HE HIMSELF WAS EXHAUSTED TOO.........THEN COMMUNISTS JUST CAME IN LIKE A WORM.......
SUCK THE NATIONALIST DRY.
B R I L L I A N T

BUT THEN ITS THE PEOPLE.....CHINESE PEOPLE SUFFER FOR THE NEXT 50
SOMETHING YEAR OR SO........CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW WEALTHY AND PROSPEROUS CHINA COULD HAVE BEEN NOW HAD THEY CONTINUE DR. SUN YAT-SEN'S SHAN MING ZHU YI.....AND CONTINUE OPEN THEIR MARKET AND TOWARDS WESTERN STYLE OF MODERNIZATION MUCH SIMILAR IN A WAY TO HOW CHIANG BUILD UP TAIWAN (A RELATIVELY NOTHING ISLAND.....HE TURN
NOTHING INTO GOLD)


AND NO NO....CHEN YI'S CASE WAS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF FU ZUOYI.....FUO HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY PROVEN THAT HE ALIGN WITH COMMUNIST AND IT WAS EXPOSED BY THE MEDIA.....WHILE CHEN'S CASE WAS HIGHLY IRREFUTABLE.....AND CHIANG COULDNT EVEN FOUND ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL SO THEY KEPT HIM FOR 2 YEARS.....AND STILL COULDNT COME UP WITH ANYTHING.....HIS CASE IS STILL LARGELY REMAIN A MYSTERY.....HE WAS A VICTIM OF POWER STRUGGLE.....MAINLY BECAUSE HE WASNT PART OF CHIANG'S WHAMPA FACTION.....HE WAS A LOYALTY OF SUN YAT-SEN AND HAS BEEN A POWERFUL INFLUENCE IN KMT ARMY.....FIRST STAR GENERAL IN NATIONALIST ARMY AND A POWERFUL FIGURE IN ZHEJIANG (WARLORD).....ANOTHER WORDS.....HES CHIANG'S POLITICAL RIVALS.....CHIANG HAS TOO MANY POLITICAL RIVALS INSIDE THE PARTY AND THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON JIANG REMOVE HIM FROM THERE.....IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY THATS WHAT JIANG ALWAYS DOES......SWITCH PEOPLE FROM HERE TO THERE AND THERE AND THERE..................SO THEY WONT STICK IN ONE PLACE TOO LONG THEY BECOME ANOTHER YAN XISHAN OR FENG YUXIANG
AND THATS WHAT HE DID TO ALL THOSE GENERAL (YOU CAN SAY ALL OF THEM
ARE WORLORD OR SOMEWHAT SEMI-WARLORD).

CHEN YI HAS BEEN A STRONG ANTI-COMMUNIST FORCE PRIOR TO HIS TRANSFER TO TAIWAN....HE MUST HAVE BEEN SECRETLY THINKING WHAT IN THE BLOODY HELL WOULD CHIANG TRANSER HIM TO THAT $hitTY TINY STINKY ISLAND BUT THEN AGAIN.....CHIANG WAS THE ZHONG CAI.....BIG BOSS.....WHAT CAN HE DO ?? GOOD WANKER BOY LIKE BAI CHONGXI (BRILLIANT !!!!!!) NEVER LIKE ZHONG CAI TOO BUT ALWAYS HE ACTED MIEN HE XIN BU HE.....INSIDE HE HATE HATE CHIANG SO MUCH BUT ALWAYS KEPT A SMILEY FACE AND EXPRESS LOYALTY TOWARDS CHIANG......AND IN RETURN....HE HAS BEEN REWARD WITH SIGNIFICANT POWER FROM THEN CURRENTLY YANKED LI ZHONGREN......

EARLY CHINA WAS REALLY REALLY MESSY....WANG JINWEI WAS CONSIDERED EXTREMELY RIGHT WING AND HE SIDED WITH JAPANESE AFTER LOST TO CHIANG IN A POWER STRUGGLE.....HE WENT "EXTREME" AND FOR POWER HE RATHER BECAME "HAN-JIAN".....A TRAITOR TO ALL CHINESE
THEN THERE WAS SOME RARITY LIKE ZHANG GUOTAO.....WHO WAS MAO ZEDONG'S LEADING OPPONENT IN COMMUNIST PARTY AND ARMY.....AFTER A LOST OF POWER STRUGGLE WITHIN RED ARMY HE THEN SWITCH TO NATIONALIST.....AND THEN THERE WAS SOME NATIONALIST GENERAL THAT SWITCH TO COMMUNIST.....NAMELY LI ZHONGREN......OH WELL ONCE AGAIN....ITS ALL ABOUT LOST OF POWER STRUGGLE ISNT IT ??

SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE SWITCHING THEIR "LOYALTY" FROM HERE TO THERE TO THERE EVERYWHERE ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
IT REQUIRES A GREAT DEGREE OF INTELLEGIANCE TO BE ABLE TO SURVIVE BACK THEN.....DUMB LITTLE UGLY PEANUT LIKE CHEN SUI-BIAN TODAY WOULDNT EVEN BE ABLE TO SURVIVE FOR 2 MINS BACK THEN........AND HES THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF REPUBLIC OF CHINA.....WEIRD HUH

OH BY THE WAY I ASK YOU TO TALK TO ME FROM MSN SO THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE MUCH FASTER.....THATS WHY ITS CALL THE "INSTANT MESSENGER" RIGHT ?? IT TAKES SO LONG FOR YOU TO REPLY IN HERE.....CANT YOU JUST DO IT WITHOUT ANY HESITATION ??
DONT BE SO LAZY WOULD YOU ??
YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY THAT THERES SOMEONE ASK YOU TO COME TALK ON THE MSN LOLZ.............

AND YEAH I DONT THINK MOST OF GUYS HERE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.........EITHER LACK OF KNOWDGE OR NOT INTERESTED AT ALL.....I AM INTERESTED BECAUSE I CAN SPARE SOME NEW TRICK FOR MYSELF TO PUT INTO FUTURE USE.....LOLZ
COMBINE ALL THEIR STRENGTH ALL INTO ONE......

OH ANOTHER OFF TOPIC.....HOW TALL WAS FENG YUXIANG.....SAW A PIC FROM EDGAR SNOW'S CHINA.....HE WAS STANDING WITH CHIANG KAISHEK AND YAN XISHAN AND DUDE WAS HUGEEEEEEE.....HE WAS A BIG STRONG GUY.....GOD DAMN TALL.......LIKE 6-3 OR 6-4 SOMETHING....HOW TALL WAS HE EXACTLY ?? COZ I KNOW CHIANG WAS A LITTLE SHORTER THAN MAO.....WHO WAS A BIG MAN HIMSELF AT AROUND 5-11 OR 6.....SO CHIANG MUST BE ABOUT 5-10 OR 5-9....AND FENG WAS WAYYYYYY TALLER THAN CHIANG.....
DIDNT HE EVER GOT MAD AT CHIANG.....I HAVE HEARD THEY ARGUE AND DISAGREE A LOT.....I AM SURPRISE FENG DIDNT BAAAAAZOOOOOOOOM CHIANG AND KNOCK HIS HEAD OFF LOLZ.

Yes, Yuan and Xu were both ambitious. Their lust of power made them corrupt. Yet Yuan Shikai did not intend to found a "feudal" imperial system.

Yes, that's why I personally do not respect the communists. Mao himself even said that the Japanese invasion actually helped the communists. Sadly, we even have youths today that tried to inflate communists' effort fighting Japanese aggressors. 以國難而壯其勢 is not a respectable way to gain power.

yes, both Li Zhongren and Bai Chongxi were Gui Clique 桂系. Jiang Jieshi did not trust them nor did they trust Jiang fully.

Yan Xishan :
I'm not sure how tall they were

HEY CAN YOU COME TO MSN NOW ????? MY NICKNAME IS "JJ_XX_XX_JJ"


WHERE DID YOU FOUND THAT YAN XISHAN PIC LOLZ
I SAW HIS PIC ON THE BOOK AND HE LOOK LIKE A "BANDIT"
HOW COME ALL THOSE WARLORD LOOK SO STRIKINGLY EVIL AND TOUGH ??
LOLZ LOOK LIKE THEY WANNA EAT YOU

actually I think they look good
Yuan Shikai

Li Yuanhong

Feng Guozhang

Duan Qirui


Duan Qirui left, Feng Guozhang right

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i like sung wu kong because he can hide a stick in his ear

The sword saint from The Duel you never said non-fictional

Huh? A mythic people your hero? It isn't human, its a monkey! and...He might not be Chinese, who knows?

I don't know too much about Chinese culture. I wish I knew more... I wish more was taught in American schools about all different types of cultures... But even in my Chinese school, which I attended for several years, I didn't learn that much about my race.

Mulan?

I guess, since she's the only one I really know...

thanks Disney!

er... make me kinka sad...All USA young people know only Mulan?

He's my hero too.

Mulan was the main character of a song-poem Mulan Ci by unknown people believed to be written in the Northern Wei Dynasty. She costumed as a men to substitute conscription for her old father.

from http://barney.gonzaga.edu/~chongls/mulan/mulan1.htm

I duno know any Real like general heros and stuff but I just like to watch movies of like Wong Fei Hong and all those famous ones,

Im new here

A military hero in modern history - Deng Shichang, Captain of Cruiser Chi-yuen (Zhiyuan) of the Beiyang Fleet. Killed in action in Battle of Yellow Sea 1894.






Cruiser Chi-yuen

Photos from http://chinagate.yam.com.tw/cgi-bin/g2bcgi...2fmrt%2fdsc.htm



http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Forest/...storyofdeng.htm

I like the one with mulan, too, and um, u was double postin'

The poem of Mulan is awesome! It is simple but with a elegent rythm and strongly spurs a kind of mixed feeling...leads your mind to go back far away to the acient era... and to see what those people saw, hear what they heared, and feel what they feeled...

Well they only teach European History and US history in school.

Zhao Enlai is my hero/idol

I love wong fei hung too. Yes he was real, maybe exaggerated. Lived around the Boxer Rebellion Association thing.

Fong Sei Yuk was wong Fei Hungs ancestor (martial arts wise...like his master's brother or something like that).