Today is a surprise for me, because I got some time to spare..So I've decided to start this thread, discuss by any means what you think will happen in the future...

The end of the world will likely occur when the sun supernovas.

EDIT:

My mistake. The sun cannot supernova. It's too small for that. So, instead, it will become a red giant. That won't happen for a few billion years so I think we can postpone the end of the world 'til then.

Okay, thats one opinion, anyone else got a different opinion???

EDIT: What about WWIII??? Me personaly I'd say the End is happening right now, at this very moment, the stage is being set, and the show is about to begin...

i share the same idea. but tell me... what is this stage you are talking about?
word politics atm?

Either global warming is gonna crispy fry all of us or aliens are gonna vapourise the earth!!!!!!!

I'd like to think though that the Earth will always remain and we'll find a way to live on Jupiter!!!

Ok, now wait a minute.

Mazzu asked about the end of the world, not humanity. Those are two totally separate events, IMO.

Which one is it?

The End of the World!!!!, As in Apocolyptic Events, or Biblical Events, or Scientific Events, etc...

EDIT: @LOVEWHIZ: The stage in time of the Great Trib..(such as Natural Disasters, Wars, Pestilences, World in Chaos) < The Stages, in which they are being set...Time is indeed against us..

Ok, so I stand by my previous statement. The world will end when the sun goes red giant (or just previous...). Humanity will end...well, I'm just not sure. We might survive long enough to colonize distant worlds and move humanity out of the way of the inevitable death of the earth. But, on the other hand, something else may wipe us out just like the dinosaurs. Not exactly sure if humanity then would continue in small pockets to evolve into different beings or not. Interesting to speculate, however.

OR...the ice caps will melt and we'll all drown while Mazzu floats above us in a beautiful pea green boat!

OR the moon will explode and knock the earth out of orbit and we'll crash into Mars.

OR Iran or America or someone will make some super nuclear weapon and explode it without realising it's effects and we'll all be frazzled.

collapse of the US economy.

more bad weather, disasters in near future.

the anti-christ will show up.

ww3, will start in the middle east.

OR we'll build starships and explore the galaxy! Come on, charlee! A little optimism!

Indeed, I strongly agree with you...US economy is slowly collapsing as we speak, so what else is new??

@Charlee: So I will float in the sky??? Id live while you all died from Ice Caps???

I'll boldly go where ever u go Skep!!!


Ah yes......I forgot one more thing...........OR our true maker will finally show his face and enlighten us about our creation and then will say that he's now tired of all the fuss and wishes to extinguish us all!!!!!

Dammit.......there are so many scenarios....I could go on forever.....

You are somewhat close though Charlee , Indeed Jesus will show up one day, and well...wipe out the ones who well..took the Anti-Christ mark and so forth...but what a Great Day that will be, when all Truths have been revealed...

Surely Mazzu u've got ur own lil Mazzu's Arc.... or something!!!!

Mazzu and the pussy cat went out to sea in a beautiful pea green boat while the rest of his bubbled underneath the water.......

isn't that how the poem went?

lol.......I'm just messin......

no baby, we can never survive on jupitor


are you talking about the end of civilization as we known or end of all humanity.
if you are talking about the second then i think that after mass slaughter of neuclear weapons, survivors will evolve into superior, more intellengent beings,and rebuild the civil world.


how can you compare humans with dinosaurs? andyes i do think huan will evolve into something much more superior in the near future

Really? Damn......what about the moon? That looks like a fun place to live!

^no liquid+ no oxygen + no protection of ozone layer= me die in two seconds

I'm saying something could cause a mass extinction of most human beings. Not much we can do to survive if the planet gets hit by some rogue asteroid!

@charlee:

Let's boldly go!!

Most evidences supports the Biblical side, so I've research thus far...

What's the "Biblical side," Mazzu?

I thought you knew?? Biblical Side = End Time Prophecies fortold from the Holy Bible, after great research and observations, comparison, etc..I have truly discovered that everything that the Bible talked about is beginning to happen..right now..

That's my point. What specifics are "beginning to happen"? In other words, can you say "event X" was fortold in "Book/Chapter/Verse Y"?

All the speficies from Matthew 24 (well at least the beginning of sorrows as Jesus put it)..its beginning to happen RIGHT before our very eyes....

Ok, so are you saying I should begin by reading Matthew Chapter 24 for the details?

Yup! and not just that, but theres MANY chapters of references that talks about This day and age....

Ok...but I'm going to start in Matt. 24.

BRB

Read Matt. 24:1-14 < this pretty much explains the current time as of now...and there are MANY chapters that backs this up in all accounts...

well according to prophecies in the Bible , about 90% has already been fufilled. the mark of the beast thing is really interesting as what many countries are tryin to do now in terms of currency is what was prophecized in the Bible

Exactly! such as the adoption of the Euro, that was only the first step by the EU, and the prototype step to see what will happened to the market if the countries share one currency, the result proved greatly successful...

not even that. but also the mark is to get rid of currency (dollars and coins). the mark/chip that is planned to be implanted in the hands of people to get rid of identity theft is said to be by countries like korea and japan to be the main source of currency soon. as prophecized in the Bible of the "mark of the beast" in which will also replace currency

Not exactly, the chip/mark of the beast will contain a One World Currency...which all the world have the same currency...but this is far beyond what we are discussing, whats at hand now is whats happening RIGHT NOW!!! The Beginning of Sorrows as it were...

yes there is the one world currency. but countries now are taking the chip to eradicate identify theft:

"the mark of the beast (Revelation 13 tells us) will be 'in' not 'on' the right hand, and 'in' not 'on' the forehead - acording to the Greek New Testament - therefore almost certainly a microchip implant such as the digital angel - Tony "
source

Heres a better source for Chip suspection and superstition: Source1

Source2

oh yeah the verichip in korea. i read a whole lotta korean newspaper articles on it.

Also, VeriChip has all the characteristics the Mark of the Beast would have, also Nextel and Motorola (2 of the world's largest communication/wirelss phone companies) are pitching in to bring this out to the world, and adding new stuff in that chip...as of now its only used for Medical purposes, but currently they are testing the new stuff with dead corpses...

Ok, I'm back. And here's what I got from Matthew 24:3-31 (the rest of the chapter isn't directly relevant, I don't think. Any emphasis below [bold] are all mine):

When he [Jesus] was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

Jesus answered them, "Beware that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, "I am the Messiah!' and they will lead many astray.

Not much here that we could identify with our times. Not many folks running around calling themselves "the Messiah" and leading "many astray." To be sure, there are nuts who think they're the Messiah, but they get locked up for the most part. And even the ones that don't don't get "many" to be led "astray." They usually command a very small following. Hardly something Jesus would have warned about.

However, in the era that Matthew was written (c. 70-80 CE), there indeed were many who claimed to be the "Messiah" and they led many astray. One of the most famous would have been Simon ben Kosiba and the revolt he led. You can read more about him here: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...sm/revolt1.html

Harry Lenowitz, Professor of Hebrew Language in the Department of Languages & Literature at the University of Utah observed in his book, The Jewish Messiahs, "From the first century BCE to the present, several dozens of Jewish messiahs have appeared." A small list of "messiahs" who appeared in and around Palestine at the time of Jesus:

1. Judas, son of Hezekiah (4 BCE)
2. Simon of Peraea (4 BCE)
3. Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE)
4. Judas, the Galilean (6 CE)
5. John the Baptist (c.28 CE)
6. Theudas (45 CE)
7. Menahem, the son of Judas the Galilean (66 CE)
8.. John of Gischala (67-70 CE)
9. Simon bar Giora (69-70 CE)
10. Jonathan, the weaver (73 CE)
11. Lukuas (115 CE)
12. Simon ben Kosiba (132-135)

And there have been many, many others since Matthew was written. So it is hardly a "prophecy" of the "end times" to say there will be "messiahs" when they occur in every age since before Jesus was born.

And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not alarmed; for this must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom,

Name an age in human history when this hasn't been the case! The world is constantly at war; it was in the time of Matthew's authorship as well as today. This can hardly be an indicator of the "end times" since nation has risen against nation time and time again and the world continues.

and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places: all this is but the beginning of the birth pangs.

Famines and earthquakes have always existed. They do now just as they did in ancient times. Again, hardly an indication of "end times" when they are constantly happening.


"Then they will hand you over to be tortured and will put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of my name. Then many will fall away, and they will betray one another and hate one another.

Sounds much more like the time in the first century CE, when Matthew was being written. Christians were terribly persecuted then. This is hardly the case now when Christians, in the majority of the world, enjoy a favored status. This was certainly not the case in 1st century Palestine.

And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.

This is hardly any different than the warning regarding false messiahs. However, I believe this particular "warning" was against various forms of Christianity that sprung up to challenge what was to become the orthodox version in these early days around the time of Matthew's authorship.

And because of the increase of lawlessness, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. And this good news of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the world, as a testimony to all the nations; and then the end will come.

The word above translated "world" is the Greek oikoumene. This word, when it was used in the 1st century CE, was limited to the known inhabited world. In fact, that's what oikoumene means: The inhabited world. The inhabited (known) world to the 1st century was the Roman Empire. Thus, the preaching of the "good news" was merely to have been to the Roman Empire and that has long since passed. No end of the world. We're all still here!

"So when you see the desolating sacrilege standing in the holy place, as was spoken of by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand),

This is a good one. This is a "prophecy" that was already fulfilled! What Daniel was referring to was the image of Zeus that Antiochus IV Epiphanes set up in the Jerusalem Temple in 167 BCE. However, Matthew took the "prophecy" and used it to refer to the Roman standards (graven image) that were set up in the Temple and the subsequent destruction of the Temple.

In any case, the Temple doesn't exist any more so having a "desolating sacrilege" standing there any time soon is quite impossible. So, today cannot be the "last days." And since it is unlikely that the Temple will be rebuilt any time soon (the Dome of the Rock would have to be removed), we can safely conclude that this "prophecy", if it is to be applied to some future date instead of c. 167 BCE or c. 70 CE, won't be fulfilled within the foreseeable future.

then those in Judea must flee to the mountains; the one on the housetop must not go down to take what is in the house; the one in the field must not turn back to get a coat. Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing infants in those days! Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath. For at that time there will be great suffering, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short

Again, this echoes of c.70 CE when the Romans attacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple. Judea is gone in the modern world.

Then if anyone says to you, "Look! Here is the Messiah!' or "There he is!'—do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Take note, I have told you beforehand. So, if they say to you, "Look! He is in the wilderness,' do not go out. If they say, "Look! He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

See above regarding "false" Messiahs and prophets.

"Immediately after the suffering of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven will be shaken.

The stars will fall from heaven? The moon will not give its light? Ha ha! Well, why don't we discuss this over in the Biblical Cosmology thread? I told you the Bible is scientifically primitive.

Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see "the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven' with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Well, since this is what is suppose to happen, it can't very well be happening now, eh? But I am humored by the reference to the "end[s] of heaven"! Ha ha!

Argh.................... you guys.......................this is where you lose me............I blink and in a moment you're bringing all your bible quotes out!!!

It was such a beautiful debate with my quoting "the owl and the pussycat" and "star trek" ..............................

You can keep doing that!

Live long, and prosper!



Seriously...if you read my post it isn't very hard to follow. At least, I don't think it is...

damn it! you guys are quick! now i have to read all of that...forget it
i won't see the end of world anyways

That is one mighty big hand!

Is Spock like a giant? Somebody has been eating their greens...............



Seriously no Skep.........that post is wayyyyyyyy too long.....and then there's Mazzu's to get through..... My eyes will go into spasm by the time I finish reading it all.

he was my idol whe i was 7

Heehee...so if his hand's big, can you imagine the size of his...old wives' tale?




Ah, that's ok. I know I wouldn't be telling you something you don't already know anyway....

Spock's entire hand is the size of his face!!!



That's how the world will end! Spock will throw his fist down onto the ground and the world shall crack in half!

Naw...not Spock.

Now, evil, other-dimensional Spock..maybe! Never trust a guy with a goatee!

Skep.......................I hate to say this.........but......................he kind of looks like you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Minus the alien ears of course!

He does?

Maybe that means I'll usher in the end of the world! Wow! Who'd a thunk it?

^ better keep your hands in your pockets Skep.

Oh, I so want to say something nasty (dirty) now!

Who'd a thunk that Star Trek would have lead to this..........................



Mazzu is going to yell at me when he sees how I've brought his thread down so low!