Many of the media claim that separatist always escape crose Malaysia border and hide in Kelantan state.I am just curious that the PAS party may behind this problem?
The reson why I start this thread is that I want to learn about the border problem from Malay view.
Every opinion are welcome ,but no flaming please.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelantan
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Politics
A part of the deeply conservative Malay heartlands, Kelantan has been ruled by the opposition Islamic Party of Malaysia (PAS) since 1990, with re-elections in 1995, 1999 and 2004. It is currently the only Malaysian state not ruled by the Barisan Nasional coalition.
For years, PAS has attempted to impose a strict interpretation of Islamic Law on Kelantan. It has succeeded in imposing certain social strictures such as single-sex queues in supermarkets; separate public benches for men and women; and limiting entertainment centres to prohibit "salacious behaviour". Proposals to institute punishments such as amputation of limbs for thievery and execution for blasphemy (collectively known as Hudud Law), however, have been blocked by the national government on constitutional grounds.
One of the most controversial steps PAS has taken in Kelantan is to place tough restrictions or outright bans on the traditional performance of syncretic Malay theatrical forms, such as Wayang Kulit, Makyong, Dikir Barat, and Main Puteri. Newfangled versions without the traditional references to Hindu dewa–dewi and traditional Malay hantu and otherwise in keeping with orthodox Islam are, however, tolerated in certain cases. Also restricted are public performances by women: Aside from Quran recitals, such performances are completely banned if any men are in the audience. While PAS has maintained that these steps were essential to promote Islam and put an end to immoral behavior among the Muslim population, many consider them simply an act of defiance against Barisan Nasional's laws — which are more tolerant or laxer, depending on your viewpoint — and also a major loss to Malay traditional arts.
A part of the deeply conservative Malay heartlands, Kelantan has been ruled by the opposition Islamic Party of Malaysia (PAS) since 1990, with re-elections in 1995, 1999 and 2004. It is currently the only Malaysian state not ruled by the Barisan Nasional coalition.
For years, PAS has attempted to impose a strict interpretation of Islamic Law on Kelantan. It has succeeded in imposing certain social strictures such as single-sex queues in supermarkets; separate public benches for men and women; and limiting entertainment centres to prohibit "salacious behaviour". Proposals to institute punishments such as amputation of limbs for thievery and execution for blasphemy (collectively known as Hudud Law), however, have been blocked by the national government on constitutional grounds.
One of the most controversial steps PAS has taken in Kelantan is to place tough restrictions or outright bans on the traditional performance of syncretic Malay theatrical forms, such as Wayang Kulit, Makyong, Dikir Barat, and Main Puteri. Newfangled versions without the traditional references to Hindu dewa–dewi and traditional Malay hantu and otherwise in keeping with orthodox Islam are, however, tolerated in certain cases. Also restricted are public performances by women: Aside from Quran recitals, such performances are completely banned if any men are in the audience. While PAS has maintained that these steps were essential to promote Islam and put an end to immoral behavior among the Muslim population, many consider them simply an act of defiance against Barisan Nasional's laws — which are more tolerant or laxer, depending on your viewpoint — and also a major loss to Malay traditional arts.
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History
The name Kelantan is said to be a corruption of gelam hutan, i.e. the Malay name for the cajuput, or swamp tea tree (Melaleuca leucadendron). Other theories claim the name comes from the Malay word kilatan, 'shiny/glittery' or kolam tanah, 'clay pool'.
The early history of Kelantan is rather obscure, but archaelogial finds indicate traces of human settlement dating to prehistoric times. Early Kelantan had links to the Funan Kingdom, the Khmer Empire, Srivijaya and Siam. Around 1411, Raja Kumar, the ruler of Kelantan, became independent of Siam and Kelantan became an important centre of trade by the end of the 15th century. In 1499, Kelantan became a vassal state of the Malacca Sultanate. With the fall of Malacca in 1511, Kelantan was divided up and ruled by petty chieftains. With the conquest by Siam in 1603, most of these petty Kelantan chiefs became subject to Patani. Around 1760, a petty chieftain of Kubang Labu in Kelantan succeeded in unifying the territory of the present Kelantan. Shortly thereafter, in 1764, Long Yunos seized the throne and proclaimed himself Raja of Kelantan. However, with his death, Kelantan came under the influence of neighboring Terengganu.
In 1800, Raja Muhammad declared himself as the first Sultan of Kelantan. In 1812, he broke from Terengganu's influence and became a separate tributary of Siam. In the 1820s, Kelantan was one of the most populous and prosperous states in the Malay Peninsula, having avoided the wars and disputes which plagued the southern and western states. Siam continued to play an important role in Kelantan throughout the 19th century.
Under the terms of the Anglo-Siamese Treaty of 1909, Siam surrendered its claims over Kelantan, Terengganu, Kedah and Perlis to Great Britain, and Kelantan thus became one of the Unfederated Malay States with a British Resident.
The name Kelantan is said to be a corruption of gelam hutan, i.e. the Malay name for the cajuput, or swamp tea tree (Melaleuca leucadendron). Other theories claim the name comes from the Malay word kilatan, 'shiny/glittery' or kolam tanah, 'clay pool'.
The early history of Kelantan is rather obscure, but archaelogial finds indicate traces of human settlement dating to prehistoric times. Early Kelantan had links to the Funan Kingdom, the Khmer Empire, Srivijaya and Siam. Around 1411, Raja Kumar, the ruler of Kelantan, became independent of Siam and Kelantan became an important centre of trade by the end of the 15th century. In 1499, Kelantan became a vassal state of the Malacca Sultanate. With the fall of Malacca in 1511, Kelantan was divided up and ruled by petty chieftains. With the conquest by Siam in 1603, most of these petty Kelantan chiefs became subject to Patani. Around 1760, a petty chieftain of Kubang Labu in Kelantan succeeded in unifying the territory of the present Kelantan. Shortly thereafter, in 1764, Long Yunos seized the throne and proclaimed himself Raja of Kelantan. However, with his death, Kelantan came under the influence of neighboring Terengganu.
In 1800, Raja Muhammad declared himself as the first Sultan of Kelantan. In 1812, he broke from Terengganu's influence and became a separate tributary of Siam. In the 1820s, Kelantan was one of the most populous and prosperous states in the Malay Peninsula, having avoided the wars and disputes which plagued the southern and western states. Siam continued to play an important role in Kelantan throughout the 19th century.
Under the terms of the Anglo-Siamese Treaty of 1909, Siam surrendered its claims over Kelantan, Terengganu, Kedah and Perlis to Great Britain, and Kelantan thus became one of the Unfederated Malay States with a British Resident.
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Economy
Kelanattan is the second poorest ste in Malaysia, with a chiefly agrarian economy dominated by padi, rubber and tobacco.
Kelanattan is the second poorest ste in Malaysia, with a chiefly agrarian economy dominated by padi, rubber and tobacco.
Those people in Thai's south border are also poor and it is easy for the separatism to try to make them think that Thai goverment is not taking care of them well.This would be the reason for them to join the separatist.
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Malay
Kelantan Malays consider themselves a rather unique breed. Many have some Thai blood, as intermarriages between the Thais and Malays have been and remain common. Kelantan Malays also note differences between themselves and the Malays of other states. The Patani Malays of southern Thailand are very similar in ethnicity and culture to the Malays of Kelantan.
Kelantanese Malay dialect, heavily influenced by the Thai language, is distinguished from standard Malay as well as other Malay dialects by its unique grammar, pronunciation and figures of speech.
The ethnic Thai inhabitants of Kelantan are mostly centered in an area around the coastal town of Tumpat, site of most of the state's twenty or so Buddhist temples, and noteworthy for its number of confident and relatively well-off Siamese villages.
Thai
The ethnic Thai inhabitants of Kelantan are mostly centered in an area around the coastal town of Tumpat, site of most of the state's twenty or so Buddhist temples, and noteworthy for its number of confident and relatively well-off Siamese villages.
The dialect of the Thai language spoken in Kelantan is called "Tak Bai", after the southernmost coastal town in Narathiwat, just across the Kolok River from Malaysia. Tak Bai dialect differs substantially from standard southern Thai and other regional Thai dialects, and it seems certain that the Kelantan Thais are the descendants of an original enclave of Narathiwat settlers established in sparsely-populated Malay territory as long as four centuries ago.
Buddhism is also visible, in that hundreds of Thai wats can be found throughout the state. The local Muslims are strangely ambivalent in their attitude towards Thai Buddhism, which is seen as a relatively prestigious religion, certainly preferable to atheism, and more obviously an organised community faith than that of the Kelantan Chinese. The Malays definitely approve of the Thais as a religious people, and are generally impressed by the architecture and style of the Buddhist temples, which are recognised as a cultural asset of the region.
The dialect of the Thai language spoken in Kelantan is called "Tak Bai", after the southernmost coastal town in Narathiwat, just across the Kolok River from Malaysia. Tak Bai dialect differs substantially from standard southern Thai and other regional Thai dialects, and it seems certain that the Kelantan Thais are the descendants of an original enclave of Narathiwat settlers established in sparsely-populated Malay territory as long as four centuries ago.
Chinese
Chinese assimilation in Kelantan is manifested as: "Malay behaviour as frontstage and Chinese behaviour as backstage". "Frontstage" or public behaviour includes speaking Kelantanese Malay even when among themselves, adopting Malay-style clothing, not eating pork, and observing certain Malay customs and holidays. "Backstage" or private behaviour includes maintaining certain traditional Chinese beliefs and customs confined only to the home. Kelantanese Chinese feel a sense of separateness from other Malaysian Chinese due to their illiteracy and inadequacy in their own Chinese language.
Kelantan Malays consider themselves a rather unique breed. Many have some Thai blood, as intermarriages between the Thais and Malays have been and remain common. Kelantan Malays also note differences between themselves and the Malays of other states. The Patani Malays of southern Thailand are very similar in ethnicity and culture to the Malays of Kelantan.
Kelantanese Malay dialect, heavily influenced by the Thai language, is distinguished from standard Malay as well as other Malay dialects by its unique grammar, pronunciation and figures of speech.
The ethnic Thai inhabitants of Kelantan are mostly centered in an area around the coastal town of Tumpat, site of most of the state's twenty or so Buddhist temples, and noteworthy for its number of confident and relatively well-off Siamese villages.
Thai
The ethnic Thai inhabitants of Kelantan are mostly centered in an area around the coastal town of Tumpat, site of most of the state's twenty or so Buddhist temples, and noteworthy for its number of confident and relatively well-off Siamese villages.
The dialect of the Thai language spoken in Kelantan is called "Tak Bai", after the southernmost coastal town in Narathiwat, just across the Kolok River from Malaysia. Tak Bai dialect differs substantially from standard southern Thai and other regional Thai dialects, and it seems certain that the Kelantan Thais are the descendants of an original enclave of Narathiwat settlers established in sparsely-populated Malay territory as long as four centuries ago.
Buddhism is also visible, in that hundreds of Thai wats can be found throughout the state. The local Muslims are strangely ambivalent in their attitude towards Thai Buddhism, which is seen as a relatively prestigious religion, certainly preferable to atheism, and more obviously an organised community faith than that of the Kelantan Chinese. The Malays definitely approve of the Thais as a religious people, and are generally impressed by the architecture and style of the Buddhist temples, which are recognised as a cultural asset of the region.
The dialect of the Thai language spoken in Kelantan is called "Tak Bai", after the southernmost coastal town in Narathiwat, just across the Kolok River from Malaysia. Tak Bai dialect differs substantially from standard southern Thai and other regional Thai dialects, and it seems certain that the Kelantan Thais are the descendants of an original enclave of Narathiwat settlers established in sparsely-populated Malay territory as long as four centuries ago.
Chinese
Chinese assimilation in Kelantan is manifested as: "Malay behaviour as frontstage and Chinese behaviour as backstage". "Frontstage" or public behaviour includes speaking Kelantanese Malay even when among themselves, adopting Malay-style clothing, not eating pork, and observing certain Malay customs and holidays. "Backstage" or private behaviour includes maintaining certain traditional Chinese beliefs and customs confined only to the home. Kelantanese Chinese feel a sense of separateness from other Malaysian Chinese due to their illiteracy and inadequacy in their own Chinese language.
Similar to Thai in Pattani ,Malay in Kelantan consider them self as the different ethnic.
QUOTE (malaccan @ Aug 30 2005, 03:51 AM)
Malaysia too has problems with the northern state of Kelantan, bordering Pattani. It's the only state in Malaysia to be ruled by the orthodox opposition, and they have close ties with Pattani esp same dialect, which is completely different from standard Malay (southern region). Kota Bahru, the capital of Kelantan, is like another country from KL. A Malay from Singapore will not understand the Malay/Yawi as you call it from Pattani. It's not just Thailand that is having problems with the border folks, so too does Malaysia. You guys do know that there are many loyal Thai Muslims in Thailand right. I have met many in Bangkok. They are proud to be of Malay heritage, but similarly feel patriotic to be Thai citizens. They resent being called khon kaek though.
Ooopps, just read moderator's warning, sorry Nung1! I was in Bangkok during Mother's Day earier this month, and went to Sanam Luang (I think ) with some friends from Chula Uni to see the lights. Again I was made to show how Thai's loyalty to the king is second to none in southeast Asia. Long may he live!
Ooopps, just read moderator's warning, sorry Nung1! I was in Bangkok during Mother's Day earier this month, and went to Sanam Luang (I think ) with some friends from Chula Uni to see the lights. Again I was made to show how Thai's loyalty to the king is second to none in southeast Asia. Long may he live!
I have learn from malacan on this issue.Beside, I am worry this would be harm to both Thai and Malaysia ,if Patani can separate from Thai and Kelantan may join them and become other country. I think that this is not good for Thai ,Malaysia ,and the separatist.
The example from east timor show that ,after they separate from indonisia they are poor and find a hard time to survive by them selve.
, unlike its neighbouring states which owe the Federal gov millions and no one knows the circumstances of those money.Kelantan also has low poverty level, the people may not earn much money but the cost of living in Kelantan is helluva cheaper, so Kelantanes there are not starving and live well. Separation from Malaysia and its federation is way out of their minds, there is no reason to.
Fishy.
I just gave my observations really. Kelantan secceding from the federation is as likely as Malacca doing the same. The point I wanted to voice was that many Kelantanese people see themselves almost as a distinct froup within the Malay brotherhood. If you go to any local Malaysian universities, you'll find very active Kelantan student societies that are very vociferous in a way that no other state-based organisations are. It is very interesting to compare Kelantan with Negeri Sembilan state which borders Selangor and Malacca in the south. Negeri Sembilan is historically linked with the Minangkabau/Padang people and their dialect is as unique and soothing as the Kelantan dialect and yet it is very much in the mainstream. Kelantan gave the Malay world a lot by way of culture and traditions which is distinct from the one imparted by Malacca. It has been argued that Islam arrived in the Malay peninsula first from the east coast, ie via Kelantan and Terengganu, with the finding of 'batu bersurat' or stone inscriptions as well as local Muslim graves. Kelantan had strong links with the Champa state which itself received aspects of Islam centuries before it reached the Malay peninsula. The southern Malay states always were more closely linked with the empires of maritime southeast Asia ie ancient Indonesia like Majapahit, Srivijaya and Sailendra and it didn't pay much tribute or homage to the Siamese kings, unlike the some of the northern states. So for many of us, there is no historical overlord-tributary baggage with Thailand that would impede on bilateral relations. 
Because it closest to Thai ,and She always been discussed in Thai history book. 
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, something which is welcomingly absent in Thailand. 
