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Sirikittong
For those who are interested in the different dance types of South East Asia (i.e. Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, the Philippines), I will be posting pictures of dance types in each country. Please be patient.


If any of you know any particular dance types in one S.E.A country, please help and post.

Let us keep this thread CLEAN and respectful. To understand our Thai culture and the cultures of our GREAT neighbours.




Kingdom of Thailand













Sirikittong
Kingdom of Cambodia













Sirikittong
The Republic of the Philippines

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khaviet
I saw the traditional dance of Philippines many times on Viet tv before. It looks great, and attracted me always from the beginning to the end.

About Thai dance, and Cambodian dance, i was acusstomed to them since i was little... They are great! I like a lot.

Thank you for the helpful thread.

Go on posting! beerchug.gif
crew
QUOTE (Sirikittong @ Nov 9 2005, 12:37 PM)
Kingdom of Cambodia


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This guy is obviously indian.
khaviet
QUOTE (crew @ Nov 9 2005, 04:10 PM)
This guy is obviously indian.
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Yes i wondered the same why he looks so Indian. But then i thought yet it could happen. He is really Indian?

But he looks so lovely. love2.gif
Viety Cent
Wheres Vietnam and their dance dude?.............. neartears.gif
transtic
Kingdom? of Vietnam? lol! :P
Sirikittong
The Socialist Republic of Vietnam
(former) Empire of Nam Viet












Cham viet dance
Viety Cent
^ Dang biggthumpup.gif vietnam dances is so different from the rest of SEA ... embarassedlaugh.gif

I mean the ao dai style dresses for the little children and the woman......... and the colored fans ........

Surprised Cham is almost the same as Thai or Khmer dont u think...?

I luv all the SEA pics and dances... very unique and exotic .... definatly wat we need to spices up some SEA culture
Sirikittong
Yup. The reason why Vietnamese dance and outfits and culture is different from the rest of south east asia i.e, thailand, cambodia, burma, laos, philippines, indonesia etc is that vietnam is a highly sinocized country. The country was under chinese cultural/political domination for over a millenia and has been amalgamated to chinese philosophy. CHinese confucian idelogy, which is a trait shared by all sinosized countries such as Japan, Korea, China proper, Taiwan and Vietnam are evident. South east asian countries are primarily indic by culture. Our culture, dance arts and styles are that of Indian decent and are borrowed from India. Hence the term 'Indo-China'; literally the cross roads of the two great asian civilizations; India and China.

The reason why the cham dance is similar to that of the khmer and thai dance is that the cham were hindus and were a hindu kingdom of southern vietnam at the time; and its culture, arts etc were very similar to that of Angkor, Ayudhaya and Lan Xang.

Yes, Vietnam's dances are quintessentially Sinid in form, yet has its own distinct Kinh style. I do love vietnamese culture; its rather exotic.
Viety Cent
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Sirikittong Posted Today, 07:20 PM
  Yup. The reason why Vietnamese dance and outfits and culture is different from the rest of south east asia i.e, thailand, cambodia, burma, laos, philippines, indonesia etc is that vietnam is a highly sinocized country. The country was under chinese cultural/political domination for over a millenia and has been amalgamated to chinese philosophy. CHinese confucian idelogy, which is a trait shared by all sinosized countries such as Japan, Korea, China proper, Taiwan and Vietnam are evident. South east asian countries are primarily indic by culture. Our culture, dance arts and styles are that of Indian decent and are borrowed from India. Hence the term 'Indo-China'; literally the cross roads of the two great asian civilizations; India and China.

The reason why the cham dance is similar to that of the khmer and thai dance is that the cham were hindus and were a hindu kingdom of southern vietnam at the time; and its culture, arts etc were very similar to that of Angkor, Ayudhaya and Lan Xang.

Yes, Vietnam's dances are quintessentially Sinid in form, yet has its own distinct Kinh style. I do love vietnamese culture; its rather exotic.


Yea I know bro .... Ive done my history already with chinese rule blah blah one thousand years...,,,,,,naval state , paying tribute , etc.....rebillions ....but still remain and perserve our culture and identity

Yes ur right .. it is Chinese confucian ideology as of Taoism, and Buddhism ( Mahayana ) while SEA were influenced by India and China but I think more from India as its evident in the influence of khmer , thai and laos languange, and buddhism ( Theravada )... remeber the french missionaries and their catholic influence during when vietnam was a colony for a short time.......... lots of catholic viets................

But wouldn't Indo China be more spefically to the rest of SEA then Vietnam since the country was more influenced by chinese ....... although land is in SEA....


I dont know if viet culture is that much sinid .... is it really that much of differences between the chinese......... I know viets ao dais are really colorful and uses more linens and fabric. as shown in their dresses ............

U still consider Vietnam as SEA even though it has East asian culture....... while located in SEA ..... thats what makes the country very unique from other countries... not sayng were special though....... Its like NEA meets SEA basically ... cuz I think viets are mix of both and that we are the gate between NEA and SEA countries......... I got that from some articles I read long ago
Sirikittong
Yes.

Vietnamese are culturally east asians; very confucian.

However, ethnically speaking. The country of vietnam is a melting pot of different ethnc groups be it cham, khmer krom, tai ethnics (thai/lao people), kinh, ethnic chinese, ameriasians etc.

Vietnamese Kinh are an austroloid/mongoloid people; and are the result of the intermixing of mongolic people and the previous austronesiatic negritos of the region.

Vietnam is truly an interesting nation; with such a complex culture and people. I love it ! I hate the government, but I love the people and the different cultures from south to north vietnam.

Our South East Asian brothers!
iuol16
Kingdom of Cambodia









Viety Cent
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Sirikittong Posted Today, 07:55 PM
  Yes.

Vietnamese are culturally east asians; very confucian.

However, ethnically speaking. The country of vietnam is a melting pot of different ethnc groups be it cham, khmer krom, tai ethnics (thai/lao people), kinh, ethnic chinese, ameriasians etc.

Vietnamese Kinh are an austroloid/mongoloid people; and are the result of the intermixing of mongolic people and the previous austronesiatic negritos of the region.
Vietnam is truly an interesting nation; with such a complex culture and people. I love it ! I hate the government, but I love the people and the different cultures from south to north vietnam. 




Yes definatly we arent very homongenous country with 54 ethnic minoritys... but we still have seperate pure viets as u know as Kinh's , currently the country has 83.5 million people, first largest minority Hoa ( ethnic Chinese ) , second I think the Khmer Krom people....and third not sure tai or tay maybe........

dude wtf is ameriasians ... embarassedlaugh.gif u mean mixed with white people .......

wat no way I dont believe we our mix with negritos I remember there were small remants of negritos in Vietnam long ago but were all extinct before Nam Viet was even created.......... No way are we mixed with negritos do u mean minority groups.............. cuz I sure dont look negritos bro I look viet ( NEA style ) ....... embarassedlaugh.gif

Yes same with me too I luv it too even though I wasn't born there icon_redface.gif...
I was born in Malaysia during the war though ... went to Canada live there for 15 years now ......... currently studying in university right now ..............

how about u bro where u live?/

I hate the commie government as well and the unjustices they done to minority groups, corruption, etc ........

P.S did u c me on Lac Viet ......... I was there u know icon_wink.gif u should say hi to me there in the introduction
Sirikittong
I wasnt saying that the vietnamese people are complete mixed with negrito, what I meant was that our ancestors, intermingled with the pre-existing civilizations such as the cham, which had its own linkage to negritos and the malays of peninsular malaysia/java.

So you're in Canada right now huh? 15 years is a long time to be in dominion of canada, bro. As for me Im 20 years old; studying in the united states for bio/history. lol im a pre-med. What college do you go to, bro?



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I must say, very beautiful picture of the cambodian dance! Angkor wat is supremely magnificent. The beauty of angkor..still is evident...i am amazed. beerchug.gif
Viety Cent
QUOTE (Sirikittong @ Nov 9 2005, 08:31 PM)
I wasnt saying that the vietnamese people are complete mixed with negrito, what I meant was that our ancestors, intermingled with the pre-existing civilizations such as the cham, which had its own linkage to negritos and the malays of peninsular malaysia/java.

So you're in Canada right now huh? 15 years is a long time to be in dominion of canada, bro. As for me Im 20 years old; studying in the united states for bio/history. lol im a pre-med. What college do you go to, bro?



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I must say, very beautiful picture of the cambodian dance! Angkor wat is supremely magnificent. The beauty of angkor..still is evident...i am amazed. beerchug.gif
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Oh I c......but our ancest as Bai Yeu what the Chinese called it ...........came down to Northern region settled there....... expanded further down where the Cham were at the time

Nguyen Dynasty stated "Expansion to the South"... I know Chams lost their land , however their identity is very evident today they are assimalited into viet culture its evident with influence on our language , culture....did u know the viet president is a cham ethnic ?........... Chams as u said were essiantly from malay descendants... and just mixed with kinh viets u mean right ........... u shouldn't call them negros ...as far they don t like that dark.............

Dang same with me too although Iam not a premed student ....im studying Kinesology and Health Science currenty... goal to graduate apply Med school.... become a surgeon or family doctor ....... and someday come back to my homeland and helped poor kids of the streets , in hosipital, and help watever I can to improve the country ...'


We dont have colleges like the US does dude. In Canada colleges are second lower education for hands on training and experiencs like carpenters or techniancians.. Univeristy in Canada are basically like colleges in the US just different teaching standards basically buts still have same gpa marking, bacholor , master and phd degrees

Im in York University located in Toronto , Ontario Canada ... mainly at York region icon_wink.gif
kunomchu
QUOTE (crew @ Nov 9 2005, 04:10 PM)
QUOTE (Sirikittong @ Nov 9 2005, 12:37 PM)
Kingdom of Cambodia


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This guy is obviously indian.
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LOL that was what i was thinking.
Sirikittong
Ah interesting.
transtic
Here's some small pics, from an article I read a while ago, very brief descriptions:


Blessing dance, dancers shower the audience with fragrant flowers, sort of like a well-wishing thing.


Dhvaravati dance, an archaelogical reconstruction inpired from reliefs and carvings.


Sri Vijayan dance, goes back a millenia, influenced southern Thai and Malaysian areas.


Lop Buri dance, an ancient dance dating back to the 11-14th century. Inspired by Angkorian Empire.


Sukhothai dance, a mixture of ancient Thai and Khmer influences, flourished in the 14-15th century.


Fon Leb dance, long fingernails and pastel costumes reflect the beauty and serenity of the Northern Thais.


Fon Pan dance, Simple costumes and dances reflect everyday life in the countryside.


Fon Malai, Formal dance, used to welcome important guests.


Fon Ngaew, traditional dance of Northern tribes, usually a welcoming or well-wishing dance.


Rabam Chaw Khaw, from the Lisu tribe, very entertaining and informal.

More after I come home.
Sirikittong
Thanks for sharing, transtic!
Krypt!c
nice thread sirik. here's my contribution.

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khaviet
QUOTE (Sirikittong @ Nov 9 2005, 06:19 PM)
The Socialist Republic of Vietnam
(former) Empire of Nam Viet




Cham viet dance
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Hmm actually Vietnam has no typical dance. Except for the ethnic dance as Cham dance and Bamboo dance (bamboo is very common dance in vietnam)

I think the picture above is not Cham dance, im very familiar to Cham dance coz my mom is apsara dancer. I think the picture is from Malaysia.

Bamboo dance (Múa sạp). I hardly find picture on net.


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In a student camp:

khaviet
@ Sirikit: Thank u for sharing this thread its really helpful.

Im proud to be a Vietnamese and proud of our culture as well. But actually i feel unhappy due to too much chinese influence in vietnam... One professor said "In Vietnam history, the Indian influence was received spontaneously. Meanwhile Vietnamese was compelled to receive Chinese culture for existing and fighting through the centuries"..

I feel some sad when thinking we are cuturally different from other SEAsian countries... Its too Sino! One of my cousin once twisted her face with me while reading her history textbook, saying me "Chinese chinese why always chinese in history book? Why Thailand, Malaysia, Cambodia, Burma ect.. all have indian influence and we have less?"

i answered her. "You still look very Southeast asian and less chinese look on ur face Lien(her name). And above of all ur a real Viet". She laughed!
bubbles20
QUOTE (Sirikittong @ Nov 9 2005, 07:55 PM)
Yes.

Vietnamese are culturally east asians; very confucian.

However, ethnically speaking. The country of vietnam is a melting pot of different ethnc groups be it cham, khmer krom, tai ethnics (thai/lao people), kinh, ethnic chinese, ameriasians etc.

Vietnamese Kinh are an austroloid/mongoloid people; and are the result of the intermixing of mongolic people and the previous austronesiatic negritos of the region.

Vietnam is truly an interesting nation; with such a complex culture and people. I love it ! I hate the government, but I love the people and the different cultures from south to north vietnam.

Our South East Asian brothers!
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the vietnamese didnt mix with the negritos Talktohand.gif
get ur facts rite
most look mongolid 2 Talktohand.gif

more vietnamese dancing








chinese dancing is very nice 2!


khaviet
QUOTE (bubbles20 @ Nov 10 2005, 03:53 AM)
chinese dancing is very nice 2!



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Why Chinese dance here??????

China intends to join ASEAN?? confused.gif

But you look different and you think different from us. Talktohand.gif

Added: Just j/k. confused.gif I know u dont want to join ASEAN. And ASEAN never wants to invite you. haha. embarassedlaugh.gif2
bubbles20
QUOTE (khaviet @ Nov 10 2005, 04:06 AM)
QUOTE (bubbles20 @ Nov 10 2005, 03:53 AM)
chinese dancing is very nice 2!



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Why Chinese dance here??????

China intends to join ASEAN?? confused.gif

But you look different and you think different from us. Talktohand.gif

Added: Just j/k. confused.gif I know u dont want to join ASEAN. And ASEAN never wants to invite you. haha. embarassedlaugh.gif2
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i4got it was SE asian only.....i'll create my own asian dance thread that includes EAST asians as well sure.gif
TonyL
Offtopic : Get facts straight. Negrito s were not Austronesian. And the isolated negritos tribes who were in Thailand and Malaysia before the Malays came spoke Austro-Asiatic (mon-khmer ).

On topic : An interesting article :
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However, the most important influence in the emergence of a Khmer classical performing arts tradition, both directly and by way of the Indonesian archipelago, was that of India.

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The story was to come full circle in the 19th century, when Khmer    King Ang Duong (1796-1859) sought to restructure Cambodian court act with the assistance of experts from Thailand. This would explain the recent Siamese influence in many aspects of Khmer classical theatre, otherwise the purest of the Javanese- derived performance traditions to found in the region.

Interesting relation why Khmer and Thai are similair today.

Some things are not Indic. Pinpeat /Piphat music ensemble is based on Indonesian Gamelan orchestra and unknown in India :
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Comprising a maximum of 10 musicians it share many structural features with the gamelan of the Malay world on which it was based bringing together various –sized graded gong chimes set into circular rattan frame known as khong wong with wooden xylophones know as roneat meat allophones suspended gong drums cymbal and wind instruments such as double –reed oboe known as the sralai  (formerly call pi shanai) the pin peat gave rise to other type of khmer ensemble including the klang chnak and plaeng knong schoor orchestra which are associated with funeral rites and string dominate phaeng mahoari orchestra, which was traditionally associated temple ceremony and offering to the gods. The pin peat is believe to have been the inspiration behind the Thai and laos piphat and the Burmise hsiang.

All the above things from this long interesting article about Khmer and Thai music/dance :

http://ez9.ez-web-hosting.com/~cambodia/re...ssicaldance.php

Good work, guys. Maybe Majapahitans can show some pics too biggrin.gif
Sirikittong
Thanks for your insight, TonyL. All explanaitions and info as well as pictures are truly welcome! The more the better.


@Khaviet

I know what you mean, and I know that you vietnamese had to fight the chinese time and time again throughout history. It is very sad sometimes when I see how chinese claim vietnamese to be a 'cheap copy'. Vietnam, although is sinicized in means of culture, has its own fabric of society and etiquettes that are unheard of in China.

Vietnam's location in south east asia is truly the epitome of east meets west. Where a culture of south/western asia meets the culture of northeast asia.

Keep it going guys!
neinei
QUOTE (Sirikittong @ Nov 10 2005, 09:53 AM)
Thanks for your insight, TonyL. All explanaitions and info as well as pictures are truly welcome! The more the better.


@Khaviet

I know what you mean, and I know that you vietnamese had to fight the chinese time and time again throughout history. It is very sad sometimes when I see how chinese claim vietnamese to be a 'cheap copy'. Vietnam, although is sinicized in means of culture, has its own fabric of society and etiquettes that are unheard of in China.

Vietnam's location in south east asia is truly the epitome of east meets west. Where a culture of south/western asia meets the culture of northeast asia.

Keep it going guys!
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i totally agreed biggthumpup.gif
The Red Baron
our dances in the philippines are of spanish,malay and native filipino mixture....
Sirikittong
Yup
Majapahitans
Hey nice threads you got here...... biggthumpup.gif
Really bringing Southeast Asia together.

Here's presenting

Republic of Indonesia
Ultimate Diversity

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Indonesia-13,500 islands.
This sprawling archipelago's motto is 'Unity in Diversity'
Tribal Animism-Dinamism, Hindu, Buddhist, Islam, Christianity.

In a sprawling archipelago the size of Indonesia, with the fourth largest population in the world, the ethnic diversity is understandably equally vast.

Over the centuries there has been an influx of peoples from China, India, Arabia, Polynesia, Indochina and Europe, generating an ethnic map that ranges from the pale Arab-influenced Sumatrans to the ebony Irian Jayans, plus many variations in between.

The resulting 336 ethnic groups, connected by the common "national" language, each retain a strong sense of individual tribal identity combined with a tolerance for 'other villages, other customs', or 'Lain Desa lain adat'.

About 300 languages and dialects are spoken in Indonesia, but Bahasa Indonesia is the official and most widely spoken tongue. Bahasa Indonesia (official, modified form of Malay), English, Dutch, local dialects - the most widely spoken of which is Javanese.




Saman Dance from Aceh Province, heavily influenced by Islamic tradition.
Line of dancers moving soo fast and accurately making beautifull pattern of movement.



Sigale-gale dance, from Batak lands of North Sumatra



Tari piring from Minangkabau highland, a girl searching for lost gold ring, holding dish with candle on top, and moving it soo fast.



Gending Sriwijaya dance, tribute to Sumatran Srivijayan empire. Notice the golden finger nail, very similar to Thai dance.



Flirtious Betawi (Jakarta) dance



Sundanese Jaipong dance, West Java



Tari Topeng (Mask dance) from West Java



Merak (Peacock) Dance from Sunda, West Java



Legong Kraton dance from Bali. Potray a Goddess descend to earth.



Bedhaya dance from Javanese court of Yogyakarta
Majapahitans
More from Indonesia



Srimpi royal court dance of Java.



Javanese warrior princess dance









Sendratari Ramayana from Java, based on Hindu Ramayana epic



Kecak dance from Bali



Balinese Barong (Divine Lion) dance
Musiclover
looks interesting.
Majapahitans


Cantik Dance, Bali



Cendrawasih (Phoenix) dance, Bali



Torajan dancers, South Sulawesi (Celebes)



Torajan warrior dance in burial ceremony, South Sulawesi



Dayak war dance from Kutai Kartanegara, East Kalimantan (Borneo)



Irian/Papuan dance, Papua province, Indonesia

And there's more......

Sorry triple post...... embarassedlaugh.gif
I won't do this again
Musiclover
ooh there are more. nice.
Sirikittong
Very nice Indonesian Dances! Impressive!

Btw, my apologies if I offended you in last posts. Cheers!
Majapahitans
QUOTE (Sirikittong @ Nov 15 2005, 01:28 PM)
Very nice Indonesian Dances! Impressive!

Btw, my apologies if I offended you in last posts. Cheers!
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Thank you..... embarassedlaugh.gif


Thats alright.... icon_smile.gif
No harm done..... biggrin.gif ...
Cheers for you too...! beerchug.gif
anakjakarta84
Really nice thread!! love2.gif One of the things that I've noticed is that the fingers of the dancers are always wide spread. Another thing is that in most of these dances they wear those golden items all over them. Are these also part of the Indic influence?
Sirikittong
Yes. Of course.
charlee
I used to be able to dance "Bong Lang" and "Gong Yow"........lol.......

........Not really classical Thai dancing.....lol......



Anyone remember PB's old avatar with the hand???

That's what my hand looks like.......my fingers totally curve......I can't point anymore......my fingers always point towards the ceiling......

Damn Thai dancing school and my aunt completely bent my hands when I was younger......
AEROFORCE1
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Bong Lang Dance presented by Charlee.......





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On topic: Can I post a Thai puppet here ?

@Majapahitans: Javanese dance are so cool biggthumpup.gif
Dara
QUOTE (khaviet @ Nov 10 2005, 02:21 AM)
QUOTE (Sirikittong @ Nov 9 2005, 06:19 PM)
The Socialist Republic of Vietnam
(former) Empire of Nam Viet




Cham viet dance
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Hmm actually Vietnam has no typical dance. Except for the ethnic dance as Cham dance and Bamboo dance (bamboo is very common dance in vietnam)

I think the picture above is not Cham dance, im very familiar to Cham dance coz my mom is apsara dancer. I think the picture is from Malaysia.
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The motifs on her dress and jewelry are Thai. I've seen similar looking stuff worn by Surin women performing as backup dancers for Surin concert music.
bubbles20
some filipino dance






vanggirlie
QUOTE (Majapahitans @ Nov 15 2005, 12:46 PM)


Merak (Peacock) Dance from Sunda, West Java


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pretty...it's like the thai story, peacock princess. i think it's a thai story.


there's hmong (in se asia) dance costumes too but i got none.
Majapahitans
QUOTE (vanggirlie @ Nov 17 2005, 06:12 AM)
pretty...it's like the thai story, peacock princess.  i think it's a thai story.


there's hmong (in se asia) dance costumes too but i got none.
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Yes... it is pretty.... icon_smile.gif

But I think the story behind the dance is nothing to do with thai story of peacock princess. Many Indonesian dance often simply inspired by nature's beauty, or some creatures beautiful movement. For example we have butterfly dance, and deer dance


This is Balinese Deer dance

Heres more example of Javanese classic dance. The Bedhaya dance, performed on Prambanan temple, Yogyakarta, Indonesia.



Prambanan is 9th century Hindu temple, dedicated to Hindu Trimurti (Three highest God): Lord Civa, Brahma, and Vishnu.
Sirikittong
QUOTE (AEROFORCE1 @ Nov 16 2005, 09:34 PM)
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Bong Lang Dance presented by Charlee.......





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On topic: Can I post a Thai puppet here ?

@Majapahitans: Javanese dance are so cool  biggthumpup.gif
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Yes, do post thai puppet pictures. Share share! beerchug.gif


The bedhaya dance picture is simply beautiful. I love the sky effect; truly the epitome of ethearal dance to the Hindu Gods.

Post more pictures of yogyakarta dance, please. I am very interested.

Cheers!
TonyL
Seems Fillipino specialty is dancing while balancing things on the head. Nice pics!

and

That Javanese Prambanan pic was amazing. Wow!
Viesnabotkampujia
Khmer and Indonesian are very beautiful. We both are uniques in a little different way. Indonesia and Cambodia really have the truthful cultures.

Beautiful Indonesia.
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