Hello, it's the year 2005 .

It's Not before 1975 anymore.

The future is looking bright.

i DONT think so...

^ If you hate our unified Vietnam so much than its best if you don't ever step on Vietnamese soil, not even in the south.

im happy atleast vietnam is not bein run by another race

I agree with you because not everyone in the country has equal rights.

That reason alone makes me happy.

I am not scared to goto Vietnam, and since I immigrated to the United States because my father was being persecuted on his religious beliefs because he is a advid speaker on Cao Dai beliefs.

I have lived in here in the U.S.A. since 1998, and I have visited Vietnam, every year for Tet to visit my grandparents.

The reason some people are scared to goto Vietnam, they are not allowed to speak out against the government about the mistreatment of their relatives and fellow Vietnamese people.

Why is Ly Tong still in jail ?

Why cant Ly Tong protest freely and give out leaflets protesting the Vietamese government ?

Ly Tong

Great answer, Captain.

I have read the link. Are there any recent words from Ly Tong?

I totally agree with u.....


I live in the US since 1991 and not once was I afraid to step back in to my home land... I can give two $hits what the VC have to say, Communism always looks good on paper, but in reality would never work out, take for instance why Hong Kong has its own laws aside from mainland Chinese laws. Look how well it is thriving without harsh communist rule. Same can be said for South Korea when compared to their northern counterparts. To those to support the commie government, living outside of Vietnam, let me ask you this, why the hell aren't you in Vietnam, why did you or your parents or grandparents leave Vietnam in the first place? Some of you live behind a shroud, you know the harsh truth but stand not to accept it. I feel bad/sad for you people.

Well, different people have different stories. As for me, my family has always been in Vietnam. I'm just here to study.

Viet Congs are selling the country to Chinese, Koreans, Taiwanese, Maylasians already...... most people there are just cheap laborers and many young girls are prostitutes! many 18yo girls with old ugly Taiwanese men and white men over there!

Go back and take a look. who owns those hotels, shopping malls, many companies and who's working for whom over there???

so sad for Vietnam...... Viet Cong fu-ked up bad!!!!!!!

Why most Viets get out of VN?... The True Reason MONEY... Just like most Canadians, Mexicans, other Latin Americans, Chinese and Europeans who are "illegal aliens" in US, we all come here for the love of MONEY... How bout you and your family?

However, most ppl lie to INS when asked... You know, like... I love freedom, I love democracy, I love ----, and other Bullshíts ppl usually tell INS... INS ppl know all the Bullshíts, that's why ppl have hard time getting visa in VN and other countries.

Unlike other countries, Viets have more legitamate reason to come to US... You see... Bcoz of Sanction, VN couldn't do business transaction with other countries around the world... No Business = No MONEY... A lot of Viets suffered bcoz of this...

You should thank the Vindictive Shít Flaggers for all the miseries in VN... They are at their happiest when they can see Viets in VN suffering.

But... don't worry, thanks to US Chamber of Commerce and Leadership in Hanoi, the Sanction is over and the Future is very Bright in VN... Of course... this only sadden the Vindictive Shít Flaggers... They are now left out.

is that the only reason you KNOW why ppl left Vietnam??? c'mon, show some knowlegde, man! who wants to live in a country control by those stupid commie invaders? the only thing they can do well is take other ppl wealth because they are poor and stupid. they came in the south with their stupid looking monkey face and amazed how the south was and how rich the south was. then they took away all the lands and business and divided among themselves. and they discriminate the southern kids preventing them from going to colleges and have the stupid commie kids get a degree with a gov position demanding and receiving bribes.

how come u don't mention that Vietnam is control by a one party government and there are no freedom and democracy. $hit..... too many reasons to get away those stupid monkey commies!!!!!!!

Mấy thằng chống cộng cực đoan qua Mỹ cũng là vì tỵ nạn kinh tế kiếm cơm thôi mà lúc nào cũng bày đặt "cao thượng" cho ta đây là vì "lý tưởng tự do" mà bỏ nước ra đi, nghe muốn mửa

My dad came to Australia for a purely economice reason, the year was 1984 and Vietnam is trying to recovering from destruction and there wasn't much opportunities. My family didn't come to Australia to have democracy, thats only politcal.

Democratic or not. I think my parents still would have left. Why are other people from other countries not like Vietnam still imigrate here to good old America? Come on. Don't even have to ask that stupid question.

Yellow and three red stripe supporters think only people who wants "freedom" to leave, but thats not entirely true.

My family came to America for freedom.. my uncles and and brother died during the Vietnam War.. I have lost so many family during that war.and to u bunch of VC u guys will never learn the truth. u guys will always live behind close doors. .

Never learn the truth? I used to wave around that same yellow flag thinking its the true flag of Vietnam, but then I learn the truth when I opened up the history books learning that South Vietnam was just as corrupt as the current Vietnam. Even though South Vietnamese politicians claimed to be protecting the people, they're actually way out of touch and American B-52 bombers attacked Hanoi everyday. Hanoi is the captial of Vietnam for more than 900 years, and when the Americans bombed it, southerners didn't seem to care much about the destruction of our ancestral capital. Thirty years on many still waving around the yellow and three stripe flag, and some of those people even have saperatist ideas of spliiting Vietnam up, again.

So let me ask you, what is the truth of you choose to look only at one side of history?

Happy Asian, I like your question. Let me quote it again so you may learn something from yours.



What are the names of those "history" books, Happy Asian? Who wrote them, mind to tell us? Just becaused of some people in the South VN done bad some deeds and you blame whole thing on our National Flag?! What was you thinking when you waved our precious flag, Happy Asian?

You are very naive and brainless. Can I blame on your parents who raised you or may be you whole family, Happy Asian?



When you said "southerners", you meant all of the Vietnameses who lived in the South during the war, right?

The Yellow Flag is not the VNCH's flag. It was created long before the birth of VNCHs. They adopted the flag because it is our National Flag. During the war, the flag became the Anti-Communism symbol. That's right, after the war, the young generations still respect and adopt it as the Anti-Communism flag. We want nothing but freedoms and human rights for the people Vietnam. No one wants war nor slit Vietnam up, my dear. It's all in your head, FOOL.

How sad for a fool like you, Happy Asian!!!

Happy Asian, There is no point arguing with an a mind that is closed. I hope they will open to get some new ideas but they probably never happen. Why take on the level of stupidity?

"Old dogs dont learn new trick".

A dumbo called me, a closed-mind

I guess "FOOL NEVER LEARN THE TRUTH".

I think you are retarded, Tran. And one more thing for fullness: Vietnam has 80 million people. You are the only one. Your life will cease but your nation will be there forever.

Bye. No point to reply directly to me. I am not gonna go down to your level.

FIRST, VIETNAM'S POPULATION HAS MORE THAN 82 MILLION PEOPLE, NOT 80 MILLION PEOPLE. BUT THERE ARE ONLY 2 MILLION COMMUNISTS IN VIETNAM. SO, WHY AM I ONLY THE ONE?

I should have ignore a dumbo like you, but your TRASH really stinks on here. Your level is low, FOOL. Don't flatter yourself!

Haha, retarded. That is all i am gonnay say to you. i will reply to every message you post here with that word

You are truly a very rare immigrant in US... An immigrant with nobble reason... Truly... A man for all seasons.

For me... And not mention countless others... Our one true reason to come to US is for the love of MONEY ... We are truly the greedy and shameless immigrants who are proud of our motive.

B.S. Since the founding of the ỤS, every immigant come here for economic reasons for the most part. It makes me want to puke anytime I hear these anti-VC rant about their "noble" reasons for coming to the ỤS as freedom and democracy

Shouldn't call that guy an immigrant ... He deserves a much better title, "refugee"

Exactly

dude, can u give me another reason why we came here beside economic reason? seem like some of you VCs have a very small monkey brain.

After the Vietnam War, look at what they did to the VNCH soldiers and their families. who would want to stay and have the monkey commies harassed you and your family. I guess you like to be harassed and starved to death by those thirsty bloody invaders.

Don't believe me? GO BACK THERE AND JUST SIMPLY EXCERCISE YOU BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS BY SHOUTING OUT LOUD "MANH, LUONG, AND KHAI ARE STUPID COMMIE MONKEY FACES"

After that, we prolly will never see you sorry @$$ again my friend. We will have a cyber funeral for you here at AF. by then, you wish you be in Africa then Vietnam.

I was brainwashed with that crap all my life. I actually learned to stray away from what all these people were pushing down my throat. I piss on that 3 stripe flag. The most whiniest people on Earth are these people. They have created a smaller communist Vietnam right here in the states. Shove everything that's not to thier liking away and only promote what they like. Hmmm sound familiar? I least I can have my dignity with the other.

.......still ppl like u still live behind close doors... .look at both sides, piss on that flag. well i can say fu-k the VIET Cong.... bunch of idiots fu-king up our crounty.. let see.. my my experiences when entering VIETNAM.. u gotta bribe them b!tches.. .when leaving VIETNAM U GOTTA BRIBE THEM b!tchES again and they also ask for a fee of airport maintenice.. *look around* the airport still looks shiety and trashy to me.. and for sure they are collecting alot fo fu-king money from ppl leaving vietnam.. i dont understand.. wassup with that eh??

and to the newer generation.. u guys want peace and $hit but dont stand up for what is right.. believe what u guys want in the books... they are bad and up on both side.. same goes from north and south.. but the south outwieghts the north in so many aspects.. what we beleive in the STATEs are how the citizens in VIETNAM are being treated....... the governemnt is fu-k up and they take advantage of everything... like let see they can take ur land with some lame @$$ excuse......

Those communist tools won't admit their wrong, even if the truth hits them in the head.

I got to agree that the VCs are corrupted to the core, but so is the former South Vietnamese government and the U.S of A (actually they were/are worse). So why are we always fighting among ourselves to defend these evils? waving the same old flags? It is time for a change, because we are not going anywhere with this same old conversations, with the same old people that say the same thing over and over for years.

This is like a bunch of ugly girls criticizing and pointing out each other's flaws, you gals are all ugly for God's sake.

There are a lot of declassified CIA documents and leaked documents like ( The Pentagon Paper ) that you can read... All those declasified US Documents and leaked US Documents proved that anybody who support the Yellow Shít Flag are idotic morons and all South regime officials were corrupted war criminals.

I know the truth sometimes hurt, but I think you should find out who you're supporting... And what their ulterior motive before you criticize VN.

oh... btw

"fee of airport maintenice" / Gate Fee -- is a standard practice in all the airports around the world.

"like let see they can take ur land with some lame @$$ excuse." -- In US is called "Eminent Domain"... The US Supreme Court just approved the use of this power by Gov't officials.

hahah.. fee i know every airport does it.. but does vietnam airport look any better to u??

and yes they us did approve of that. .but they pay you in what is worth of ur land.. in vietnam do they do that?? no...

If you hate both the VCs and VNCHs, so which side you are on, GenomVirues? But I hope you may help the people in VN right now they are suffering under the evil government. You don't have to support our flag, just create your own flag to fight your own battle in your way with your own people. I respect your decision. But I really don't appreciated that you criticized our precious National Flag, man.

Peace!

Those Documents have many pages which I couldn't find any accurate quotes to prove ALL OF THE SOUTH REGIME OFFICIALS were corrupted and war criminals. So can you find somes for us?

You called us names but you don't even know you are one of morons on here. Do you know your YELLOW STAR on that BLOODY flag is also a "$hit" color?



Are you mocking yourself or you just try to confuse us here? We are the ones who posting the awful truth about your government, your Communism NOT YOU, FOOL. And you never learn or accept the truth. You are such as a blind man walking on the forest trail. Sad huh?

Watch out on what you posted, it may come back and bite off your ugly @$$. Oh wait, it does now.

How are you so positive the South Vietnamese regime won't be just as corrupt if they had won? Most countries starting out are corrupt. America was openly corrupt within some peoples memory that are still alive. They are open and free. And they are what you idolize. And don't deny the South Vietnamese gov't wasn't corrupt. It's what happens. Losers complain of what could have been. The difference in the South had won is a couple decades jump start of economy boost to Vietnam. And a lost of dignity. Obeying orders from another country. Lots of American Gi's would be based there. Christians running amuck. NO THANKS.

......I am not postive ..u should look back i have stated it before....

I had thought AF had become a haven for VC opportunists...I kept seeing one comrade after another patting each other in the back....made me think that there's so many dumbass youths (or possibly VC intelligence agents ) who just like to close their eyes to all the problems...glad there's still some reformed minded people out there.

Yes... It's improving... And also there are lots of things ppl don't see... like runway maintenance, etc... Also ppl that work in the airport need to be pay too...



I know you've taken History, Gov't and Pol Sci...

Since Vietnam just emerged from the sanction, it doesn't have that much resources yet... The VN Gov't has grown, but bcoz of sanction, VN economy still in embryonic stage.

It's like back when US just started... When the Gov't took the land from the Indians... Did the Indians get paid?... Maybe with bullets on their back.

you know what the biggest irony is?
everyone here talking crap about the viet kieu's
you are viet kieu's yourselves

sure "im only a student"
"i moved for economic reasons and not political ones"
the fact remains
you dont live in vietnam

all of you (well..most of you) speak english wayyyy too well to be just a regular immigrant/refugee/international student

Gee, is my English that good ?

Well duh my first language is english .... i lived in Canada pretty much my whole life better then some people.....................

Well r u implying that we dont have the right to speak for our homeland even though we dont live there ...........

@ kenji
dude yea its fawking good lol, your use of slang and colloquial expressions is like perfect.
like "gee" for example ....its original meaning conveys an innocent surprise but u use it sarcastically in this context... and then the smiley to support the sarcasm...yea man..ur english is like native level

what you want to communicate to the reader/audience, u do it perfectly

and if u listen to linkin park i really really reallly doubt ur fob

if u were fob ur sn would be like dan_truong_4_lyf3 or something

@ viety cent

"Well r u implying that we dont have the right to speak for our homeland even though we dont live there ........... "
good job
that's one of the points i was trying to get at
lots of the vc keep telling the viet kieus to stay away from vietnam
or that they dont belong there or some bull$hit like that

one example of many:
"^ If you hate our unified Vietnam so much than its best if you don't ever step on Vietnamese soil, not even in the south. "
no yellow flag supporter that i know of hates the unified vietnam
quit putting words in our mouths

we just hate the government
yes south vietnam was corrupt
just like EVERY OTHER GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD both before and since

^
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... Why are you equating Viet Kieus and South regime supporters?

It seems like you trying to lump Viet Kieus as VN Gov't haters... Pls don't, bcoz just like you, most, probably >90% of Viet Kieus' true reason to emigrate were for financial reason not "political" like some self-righteous South regime supporter had implied earlier...

For me... I've come to conclusion, that hadn't for the Sanction and West-led punitive preasure, VN would be far more advanced than the neighboring countries...

And as for the VN Gov't... It has received very little credits for maintaining VN Stability and National Security... Even after VN been attacked by 2 neighboring countries and financially preasured by the Sanction....

Just take a look US after 9/11... Billion dollar Budget Surplus turned into Billion dollar Budget deficit... Some of Civil Liberties taken away and torturing prisioners is currenty being consider... All Without being Sanction and was only attacked by a few radical Muslim.

For all u Ngo Ding Diem supporters, which also means Western Imperialist supporters...take a look. The South failed to see this, Americans to this day r still trying to rid of Asian culture & tradition & its people.



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