i dont consider myself a hmong a part of the chinese even thou they now accept us as one of their ethinic groups.

Well, my brother, I am sorry for you. I am Hmong, thats final.

I would never consider Hmong people being Chinese because we were never Chinese in the first place. Hmong will always be Hmong.

i really don't know..cuz some how hmong are descendent of the chinese ppls...just that when we went down south..we develope our own culture..

Actually no....we were never Chinese....never descended from them either....

uh...hmong and chinese? consider both to be one thing? uh...not really...hmong is hmong and chinese is chinese...sure...we have similarities such and such...but then we're actually different...but then again...i could always be wrong...but whatever...

we accept u guys as our group...but that doesn't mean u are chinese(HAN)
i think vietnamese people also consider you guys as their minority group..

chinese as an nationality? yea. but as an ethnic group? no. hmong didnt descend from chinese. there's evidence that hmong might have been white at the beginning.

yeah there are many nationalities for hmong. I remember a hmong member saying she was from laos.

Hmong ain't Han.... China is mixed with minority...

I don't consider myself Chinese...

We ish just Miao.

are you okay with the label miao chinese?

I agree. As an ethnic group, I do not consider Hmong Chinese. Nationality, depends on where they're from.

the ignorants consider Hmong as Chinese.

But if the recent origin was from China, would they qualify as "Chinese"?

that be very confusing then lol

if hmong chinese immigrate to USA

that person would be hmong chinese american lol

well frankly, i dont think most chinese care if you hmong people don't consider yourselves chinese.

i for one couldn't care less.

Hmong and chinese are one, it's just with history that our language has come so far apart. It may be controversial but it's a thought, a possibility.

Didnt Vietnamese take land from Hmong?

Hmong is Hmong and thats final.

from white? indeed very different from the chinese,funny

Ok Ok half of these replys are beginning to Irate me.....


Chinese are not Hmong, and Hmong are not consider Chinese
we are Nomads like the Tietbatan, Mongols, Yunnan, and so forth
they don't call themselve Chinese... they call themselve Mongol
or Tietb

Now get it through your thick skull, I dislike being call chinese (even though I admire their Military power)

Hmong is Hmong... and that's that.

not true,hmongs were farmers lived by farms.nothing like the mongols.
mongols were nomads living in grass land they rides horse,move from place to place
tibetan were semi-nomads kinda like mongols
the outer mongols call themself mongolian,inter mongols call themself chinese,tibetan call them self chinese because tibet is part of china and their passport says that also.

get it through your thick skull,some chinese are hmong but we call them miao,and miaos are chinese by nationality.

u all do know that in 1998 the chinese finally put the hmong king up with the other 2 kings and accepted that the hmong is part of the chinese rite?

Yeap, we're one of their 56 Nationalities or some $hit.....

Hmong are Hmong. Miao are Chinese. Although Miao and Hmong are the same thing, I consider them to be very different. Miao = China, Hmong does not.

I wouldnt consider a Hmong from Laos as a "Chinese" but a Miao from China would be considered a Chinese

True True True

hmong/miao are cool,there are some really hot famous miao girls in china

for example? i know three.

What difference does it make? There's more than 5 thousand years of history between hmong and chinese; hmong and chinese are the same if you all would consider the interracial marriages between the "empires" and it's common people... We are the product of many people before us, consider yourself chinese, if you're chinese consider yourself hmong. haha 2 There's no such thing as a pure chinese bred or pure hmong bred, both people has being together for ages...

for some reason Miao at USA are kinda fat..

2 2 2 That is so TRUE!!! but some of them are thin and hot too...but yea majority are pretty big 2 2 2

they are not han chinese. but they are chinese citizens.

no i'm hmong american.

wait so the chinese are Hans? so everyone who is not a Han is a minority and are not true chinese? is it just because they are the majority that's why they are considered chinese cause i thought the Tangren (or people from the Tang dynasty) are considered chinese too?

As long as they are the Han race.

I dunno about that...I would guess so??

Gosh you people have never taken hmong history or something....the hmongs origin are unknown but we are believed to be white in the first place...hmongs are believed to have ruled over china (before it was china) until they lost in the very last battle (b/c it rained) in the 10 great battle....hmongs blended with the other asians and that is how hmongs looks so asiany...b/c they chinese wanted to enslave them...and that is why hmong wear the big heavy necklace during hmong newyears....thats just a theory...the most probable theory....but then the word miao is chinese, it is also used to classify other asian minority groups in china....the hmongs hate it (or so it says in history) because it sounds like a cat and hmongs are not cats...the hmongs have been separated and live every where due to the unsettlements and disputes of the languages (green white blue...what ever you consider yourself) and their pride of themselves...the hmongs live everywhere though....b/c the hmongs have no real country...they cannot call themselves thai...b/c they are not thai but hmong....also with laotian and chinese....they just dont live there but in the US canada SAmerica Europe etc...**hans are not the name for hmong**
And how can you say American hmong girls are fat.....i dont believe i am.... ....i think it just depends where youre from and where you see them...but anyways 1/3 of americans are obeast anyways...so hmongs dont look that fat...
to answer Q....no i do not consider hmongs a part of chinese

do you have proofs that hmongs were white?like skeloten is this the only fantasy that hmong has to look up for it? is there any Archaeological remains that support your fantasy?

Yes we know all that already. But it's been mentioned too many times in the older threads and the sticky.....and you don't need to take "Hmong History" to learn that. Do they even have it?

Plus funny thing is, the "white" theory was from a white person.

The poster was just making a thread for opinions because we officially became recognized as a nationality of China (5th largest). Doesn't mean we're Chinese though.

wat? you know wat you are saying? i guess you don't really know minorities in china huh...well just to tell you that miao is a minority in china

Isn't that what he was saying?

i'm hmong... period... i dont wanna be chinese... and i dont think we are chinese....

You mean you KNOW we aren't Chinese!

hmong originated from china

It'll be more accurate to say that Hmongs originated from the Yangtze River valley.

*nods*
yeah just like korean ethnicity who are in chinese area they are also considered chinese but not the korean ppl itself. China shouldnt be used as a term for race then just use it as a country name just like USA .

Yeap, for example, even the Chinese are an ethnic minority in parts of Southeast Asia and are considered part of that country. They were mostly there from when the Chinese dynasties tried to occupy those areas up until today. Still following their Chinese traditions while influenced by the natives.

yes you are genetically related to han chinese.

all asian look alike

especially han chinese and vietnamese

Especially Asians