Hai,

I am learning japanese history.
But I need some help. Can someone tell me last time before the WW2, do Japan and China go to war. Like may be hundred years or thousand years ago. If yes, may I know who win the war and what is the purpose of the war. I search through the internet but no luck. Most of I found are in Japanese and I cannot read them.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

IT was the first Sino-Japanese war in 1895. China lost

Well, there's the so-called "First Sino Japanese War" of 1894 - 1895, of course:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Japanese_War_(1894-1895)
http://src-h.slav.hokudai.ac.jp/eng/news/n...s10-essay2.html
http://www.russojapanesewar.com/chino-war.html
http://www.ualberta.ca/~chor/heroes.htm

And a couple of skirmishes (not really wars) before then, such as the Ming Dynasty's alliance with Korea's Chosŏn Dynasty during the invasion launched by Toyotomi Hideyoshi in 1592, during which Ming troops allied with the Chosŏn fended off Toyotomi's attempted invasion of Korea ( http://www.koreaaward.com/korea/history_Ea...onPeriod_04.htm ).

There was also the battle between allied Tang and Silla forces versus Japanese forces allied to Paekche, in 663 AD. In Japanese history, the encounter is recorded as the Hakusukinoe, more widely known as the Battle of Hakusonko. This naval battle was fought at the Hakusuki (river mouth of the Paekchon river), off the southwestern part of Korea peninsula. During the battle, Japan deployed a vast force of 27,000, but was defeated by the Tang/Silla alliance.
http://hikyaku.com/cgi-bin/mainmap?okjapan...:30,36)+english
http://www.hikyaku.com/dico/histxtg3.html

The result of the war was China had to sign, I believe, a 21 point unequal treaty and give Taiwan and Korea to Japan.

Before that, China and Japan have rarely gone to war as nations. In early times, Japanese pirates attacked the sea routes. And I think during the Tang dynasty, China and Korea fought together against a Japanese invasion of Korea.

no, the 21 demands were in 1915

My bad, don't listen to me, just listen to DaMo and 直隸總督.

dumb post. there's a place called google. stop instigating if you are

haha speaking of google...
Anti-war Peace Protesters
French Military Victories

Not really. Since the 1895 war is considered to be the first Sino Japanese war, it's difficult to find information on military encounters between China and Japan before then using search engines, unless you know specific details.

I think you should describe your own post as a dumb post.
People are trying to collect information and creating a nice discussion, and you post another junk post trying to start an argument. Now I understand why you are banned last time by admin. I think you should get banned again if you continue your bad altitude.

Before the 1st Sino-Japanese war, there were no direct full scale wars between Japan and China I believe. The only direct contact between government forces would have been Toyotomi's foray into Korea in which Ming forces helped repel Japanese invaders. I think this was because Korea was a dependent kingdom of China's and China had an obligation to defend her satelites.

As for the pirate or corsair raids, I really wouldnt count them amongst Japanese vs Chinese battles as these pirates would just as willingly raid their own peoples as well as others. Also they were rogue and did not reflect upon the intentions of state.

Since this has to do with history, shouldn't it be in "Serious Talk"?

Korea was not a dependent kingdom of china. This war was before korea became a completely hermit kingdom. China willingly helped korea because if Japan conqueres korea, then they will eventually turn on China. And china had no intension letting that happen.

GASP!!!!

Could it be? I went on to google and searched "First Sino-Japanese War" and i got more than 10 pages of information

Actually the reason i was banned before was cus i insulted Ben's mom for not apologizing to me. Other than that it was quite solved. And you weren't there so how would you know?

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No offense, but I see you insulting the Japanese (or at least an attempt to) and accusing the entire population for sins. I'm taking it up. You're acting like someone else (two people actually in the past) who've made posts for so called "REQUESTS" for information on the first Sino-Japanese war, and ending up starting very negative, stereotypical comments on them.

hmm really? I've always thought that by the time of the Ming, Korea was was already a tributary of China's.

Korea was a vessel state of China, it paid tributes to China annually. In return, Sovereign China provided Korea protection.

Atleast Im not the only one that sees the games he plays.

that's only when you know about "First Sino-Japanese War". Obviously huaren doesn't have an extensive knowledge on this issue, how would he know where to start? Although huaren indeed was an extremist, Atlantis star you need to tone down your hysteria. Remember last time I asked Japanese people's general opinion on WW2, you automatically labelled me an Anti-Japanese and demonstrated all your frenze.

Haha I remember that. I also remember sitting there thinking "why is she saying that?" Yes she does need to calm down with that. It is like she is a anti-anti japanist to the deepest extremes.

Huaren: Unfortunately Hiroki already explained everything I knew about the first japan china conflict.

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclo...southkorea.html


http://kn.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html...00103240034.asp

it's not hysteria i was questioning IF, hint IF he was instigating. big difference :genius:

well, if you weren't sure if he was instigating or not, then there's no point to say "stop instigating". You had already (subconsciously or not) assumed he was instigating hatred. "I wonder what your intention is" should be a better way to question.

i said stop instigating if you are

people please flame amongst yourselves and not in this thread. I'd hate to issue warnings guys.

hahaha..

sorry dude, if im stealing your thunder.

I'll play ignorant next time.

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You have to understand that Atlantis-Star is a dumb, hot-headed, mutt of Chinese-Japanese-and-other-various ancestries. Her disproportionate obsession with the Japanese side of her ancestry makes her very defensive when she feels the Japanese are being attacked. She would much rather live in a world of denial, than face the realities of Japanese racism and unsettled wrongs of the past.



Insulting the Admin's mother? My god, how stupid can you be? But then again, what d'ya expect from a mutt?

Stupid mutts? Xiao Rong Ji, wasn't it you who created a topic on CNA entitled "Stop the racism now."?

I know Damo.

I have nothing against people of mixed racial ancestry, only dumb, shallow, materialistic broads like Atlantis-Star. It's a personal attack, really. Not a general attack on people of mixed racial ancestry.

Well, that still doesn't make it respectable. If you're using a personal attack, don't insult someone's heritage.

True. You're right. I apologize to every one of this forum with the exception of Atlants-Star, who were offended by my insensitive comments on people of mixed-racial descent.

nah... you don't have to apologize to mutts on this website. lol

Hmm... Now I understand. You are a Japanese lover. And every post that comment on the Japanese, you will be the first to stand up and againts it. No offence, just a suggestion. May be you can try to go to Japan and tell them you want to be a pure Japanese to see if they accept you. They may be will accept since you are a j@p lover.

For Ogumo, I already stopped the game with you. Until now, in this post, I didn't even post a post that againts the Japanese. So hope you understand I am really starting a real discussion. No hate and no war.

Wow it took you that much to understand why I stand up for it? Because you love to post negative stereotypical comments on them.

Every post you make on this drops your respect points and your IQ.

So why do you care if I love japanese culture? I've got japanese blood, why do I have to ask the japanese I want to be pure? Alexander the Great loved persian and greek culture, and he was macedonian, does he have to be pure of either race to have a preference?

You're logic is twisted and sick. People will follow what they love and stand up for it, it's not that hard to understand.

warnings given to azn_pyde_viet and xiao rong ji for member bashing. viet, i thought u would know better, especially considering the amount of warnings you already have.

Banned.

I see one chinese nationalists must have had a talk with you. How unfortunate.

hehehehe

Not all Chinese nationalists are racist, Ogumo. I consider myself a Chinese nationalist but I do not look down on others. One doesn't have to hate in order to be proud of his or her own identity.

huaren, just stop, you're falling into hot water right now. just shut up

Kulong I thought I made it clear that I understood that? The reason I assumed one of you talked to him was because he was really being racist. In a way dragging the chinese name through the filth. He didnt just stop with his ignorance out of no where. But then who knows?

Off course, Japanese blood. I understand. Haha

Ogumo, I still dont understand why you always point your finger at me and saying that I am racist for loving China. I only give suggestion to AtlantisStar, since she like Japanese, she can go to Japan and become a pure Japanese. That's all. Is this call Racist?

And also, even Im in Malaysia for 2 generation. And I still love my mainland China. Don't tell me that people who love their own peoples and country are called racist? If I am racist, why I also have a lot of white and indian friends? May be you can explain this.

No, but it's really shallow. Just because a person supports a particular country on some issues doesn't mean they should or want to become a citizen of that country. I supported Japan too. Should I also go become a Japanese citizen? Oh wait, I also supported China. I wonder if I can get dual Japanese/Chinese citizenship. Since I supported Korea as well, I should probably apply for triple citizenship. This is dumb.

Perhaps if your doctor hadn't tried to drop-kick you back into the womb, less brain damage would be apparent.

Don’t you ever have a point to your posts beyond giving your fingers some exercise by dancing them randomly over the keyboard?


You'd do well to button down that flapping upper lip of yours, huaren, before someone staples it to the ceiling and watch you spin around like a fart-powered ceiling fan.

Nonetheless ON TOPIC:

there is an excellent site for those who are weary of this info

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/interwar.htm

EXCELLENT SOURCE OF PRIMARY DOCUMENTS :genius:

No Damo, You don't understand. She stated that she love Japanese so much. Which she only love one country which is Japan. So I only give suggestion to her to go to Japan. And now you come out with loving two country which I never said she love 2 country.


I really getting tired to argue with you. I understand you love Japan. For not being racist, I should not insult your personal opinion that is loving Japan. So I request to stop this arguement. Please reply with "OK let's peace" will you? Let me begin first "Ok AtlantisStar let's peace" So I hope you can reply with something more polite no "shut up, $hit, b!tch" Thank you for your consideration.

I'm so shocked!!!! GASP!!! YOU KNOW ME SO WELL?
Think, I live in the USA, I have family in Japan, where I can easily live there with a slight change of choice. I've been to Japan, I like it, not as much as I like the USA, so there.

Other wise on topic
that site cannot lie, no secondary source information

Hmm.. seems you haven't read my above edited post. I request so you consider reading my edited post.

One more word from me. Now I understand that you are a really Japanese lover. Which there are no problem for that. And remember that I am not insulting for you to being a japanese lover. Which even if Japan is wrong you will keep saying that, Japan is right, Japan is right. sigh... why wouldn't all these Japanese lover just understand more...

I don't think you understand what is politic.

No offence AtlantisStar.

I posted it right before your post

Don't worry I still like you. I just didn't like some of your posts.

And please control yourself after reading my newer post above.

I understand that why you love Japanese. The reason is simple that is the culture and you have a little Japanese blood. I also understand how a person love their country. Like me being a chinese even far away from homeland, even after my grandfather moved to Malaysia and now I am in a process of moving to Australia, I still love China.

well it don't think 50% japanese is a little blood! but ok.... i'll nod and say yes!

May I ask the rest of the 50% blood is???