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purnomor
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Gila, Pesta Seks di Kelas Libatkan Oknum Guru
Cianjur, Warta Kota

Gila, beberapa siswa sebuah SMA Negeri di Cianjur nekat berbuat mesum di dalam kelas. Adegan panas itu kemudian direkam dengan menggunakan kamera handphone. Perbuatan bejat itu akhirnya terbongkar.

Belakangan diketahui, ternyata aksi itu melibatkan seorang oknum guru pula. Kini, seluruh siswa yang terlibat sudah dipecat sedangkan oknum guru tersebut sedang dalam proses pemberian sanksi oleh Dinas Pendidikan Kabupaten Cianjur.

Salah seorang guru yang ditunjuk menjadi ketua tim pengusut, Ella Laelasari, membenarkan adanya kejadian itu. Menurut dia, ada 11 siswa yang dipecat karena melakukan pelanggaran berat. Mereka terlibat dalam kegiatan yang dilarang oleh agama maupun hukum negara yakni melakukan hubungan di luar nikah dan narkoba.

Secara rinci, Ella yang dihubungi di rumahnya Sabtu (19/11) malam mengatakan, dari 11 siswa itu, delapan wanita dan tiga orang laki-laki. Yang terlibat dalam adegan mesum di kelas jumlahnya empat orang. Namun keempatnya ini merupakan kelompok dari 11 siswa yang sering melakukan pesta seks dan pesta narkoba.

Ke-11 pelajar itu terdiri dari delapan siswi dan tiga siswa masing-masing berinitial, CN, siswi kelas 2, IM (kelas 3), YN (kelas 2), YLN (kelas 2), WD kelas 3, AN kelas 1, DT kelas 2, SHR kelas 3 dan DCK kelas 2, TM kelas 3 dan RY kelas 1. Sedangkan oknum guru berinisial DD.

Para siswa wanita itu ditengarai sering menjadi wanita panggilan. Istilah Ella terlibat hubungan seks di luar nikah. Ada pun keterlibatan oknum guru, yakni menjadi perantara para siswa dengan laki-laki hidung belang. "Untuk guru saya tidak mau berkomentar karena bukan wewenang saya," katanya.

Namun dia menyebutkan, oknum guru itu terungkap karena adanya pengakuan dari salah seorang siswa. "Ketika diperiksa, siswa itu menyebutkan bahwa ada guru yang terlibat," katanya.

Dari hasil pemeriksaan diketahui bahwa para siswa melakukan tiga pelanggaran berat yakni penggunaan narkoba, menjadi germo dan melakukan prostitusi terselubung dan melakukan degan mesum di dalam kelas. "Atas dasar pengakuan tersebut, pihak sekolah meminta mereka mengundurkan diri. Para orang tua mereka akhirnya menyadari, bahkan salah seorang wali murid berniat menuntut oknum guru tersebut. Itu hak mereka," kata Ella.

Kronologi

Menurut Ella Laelasari, terungkapnya kasus tersebut bermula ketika seorang wali kelas memproses kasus dua siswi, CN dan YN. Keduanya sudah berulangkali mendapat peringatan keras akibat merokok di sekolah. Kesalahan mereka sudah masuk katagori berat karena poinnya sudah mencapai 500.

Dalam peraturan, jika sudah melanggar dengan total poin 500, siswa itu harus dikeluarkan. "Mereka bersedia dikeluarkan dengan syarat agar teman-teman mereka, termasuk seorang oknum guru juga harus ikut dikeluarkan," kata Ella.

Pada akhirnya kedok para siswa dan guru terbongkar. Ternyata bukan hanya satu atau dua siswa tetapi dilakukan dengan teman-teman lainnya, termasuk sang guru. Dari hasil pemeriksaan tim guru tadi, empat siswi, masing-masing CN, YN, IM dan YLN mengaku pada 1 Oktober 2005, masih berseragam sekolah dibawa seorang pengusaha setempat dan oknum guru DD ke sebuah vila di Cipanas. Di tempat rekreasi itu mereka melakukan pesta narkoba.

"Selanjutnya mereka masing-masing dikerjai sebanyak sembilan kali, tanpa dibayar. Dua di antaranya diturunkan di depan kantor BRI Cianjur, seorang lainnya dalam keadaan mabuk berat diantar temannya pulang," kata Ella.

Yang mengagetkan Ella, mereka mengaku sudah terbiasa melayani para lelaki hidung belang dengan bayaran Rp 500 ribu hingga Rp 800 ribu. Belakangan Ella mengetahui kalau adegan bejat para siswanya itu sudah beredar ke mana-mana. Siswa lain bahkan masyarakat umum yang memiliki telepon seluler berkamera banyak yang memiliki film adegan mesum para siswa itu.

Menurut Ella, beberapa siswa mengaku pernah pernah digerebek aparat kepolisian ketika melayani pengusaha asing di sebuah kompleks perumahan di Cianjur. Kejadian itu berlangsung pada awal Oktober.

Humas Dinas P dan K Kabupaten Cianjur, Asep Sobandi yang dihubungi mengatakan, telah menerima laporan itu. "Kami sangat menyesalkan peristiwa itu, dan laporan itu sedang kami proses." (tribun jabar/tat)


This recent case is about several highschool students from Cianjur (a district that implemented a form of Islamic Law and is known as "the city of clerics") who were caught having sex in their classroom for pornographic purposes, who later confessed they have also been prostituting themselves to Jakarta businessmen. More surprising, the person who pimped them is none other but their teacher.

What do you think about this phenomenon? Is this sign of deteriorating morality or just reality of our society's real attitude to sex?
Bohemian
I think there's a certain degree of stress and resistance of Indonesians with the increasing fundamentalism in the name of religion.

I may need to compare the recent situation in Indonesia with the situation in the Czechoslovakia under communism in 1989. Although the two ideologies seem pretty much different from each other, but the implementation are surprisingly similar enough.

It's just basically the more you opress the people, the more they're to resist you! Of course, there'll be a number of supporters, but, at the end of the day, even they're not enough to endure the will of the society.

Or, is this fundamentalism the will of all Indonesians?

Quo vadis, Indonesia?
VietSk8rGUI
sorry title caught my eyes embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

but can somebody summarize tis for me?

EDIT:haha nvm the summary is under the article HAHA duhhh
wow thats crazy eek.gif eek.gif
anakjakarta84
I think this kind of things prolly have happened many times, this one just had too many students involved. embarassedlaugh.gif2

IMO this is our society's real attitude towards sex, held back by culture, religion and moral beliefs/values. And in this modern age of globalization, where we're starting to lose them all, the real attitude towards sex resurfaced. Do any of you know how it was before Islam/Hindu religion and Indic culture came to our people? (I'm sure you don't and I don't either embarassedlaugh.gif ) I assume that without culture, religion and beliefs, this is what our society really is.

Look at Europe. Before Christianity came, ppl were naked (as shown in many of their paintings). Also many of their art works had extreme contents. Even in Italy huge statues of penises in front of bakery stores meant good fortune for the store. People could just visit their neighbors house to have sex with them (in groups, same sex). Of course many of these changed after religion came. Men and women were told that their bodies were to be covered, that it's a shame thing to show them. Explicit art works were locked away. And no more sex party.

So IMO it's both a sign of our society losing morality (because of globalization), but at the same time it's our society's true attitude towards sex (like how it was before religion&culture came).
e_vaholic
WHAT??? I CAN'T BLIEVE THIS...BENER APA???
walah..ke mana nih moral MANUSIA INDONSIA????
Bohemian
I sometimes am just quite confused to this question: what is morality? Just face it: all Indonesians are religious, right? Supposed to be. We scream at these kids having mass sex at school, I agree. Sex should be a responsible kindda thing. Fine, no resistance from my side.

But. don't you think corruption is the only fact that has brougth Indonesia (our beloved country) to the brink of extinction? Just a few years ago (1999-2002) I really thought the country'd be vanished soon.

Corruption and sexual abuse don't really have anything in common. But, from the question of morality, I think the first-mentioned (corruption) has the upper-hand to be solved.

Sexuality and sexualism definitely have arisen in Europe, more stronger lately than ever. But, there is one thing I respect from them: they do it honestly without hypocrisy..

And that is, I think, the biggest difference with our society, at least today. icon_sad.gif
Majapahitans
I think this issue is just a tip of iceberg. Talktohand.gif

The reality that has not caught by mass media's eyes may even more shocking..... eek.gif

I think since 90's to present the trend of Indonesian view of sex and morality grow in separate contrast.

Indonesian youth and young adult (even older) grow promiscuos, and practice free sex as their lifestyle. Many do this in secret/private as a hush-hush thing. In public eyes they may acted as model citizen and pious god fearing citizen (talking about hypocrisy... sure.gif ).

But in contrast, there is also a lot people that seek the refuge within religion, and some even fall into religion's extremism. Taking law of religion to the extreme, example middle eastern costume, burkha, etc. Refuse to interact with opposite sex, even wages hate campaign against what so called "enemy of God." Talktohand.gif

The third is, the advent of media and communication technology.
Handy Cam, Mobile phone with camera are getting cheaper. So the probability to "caught the dirty action" on camera grow bigger. Maybe in early 90's there's some wild orgy has happened, but leave no evidence, trace, record nor tape. (I know my college friend [3 boys 1 girl] had wild orgy in a house at Bandung in 1994, they tape it on handycam betamax, but out of fear, they had the tape destroyed before it get into public hands.... embarassedlaugh.gif ).

That's my opinion.
Afterall humans are sexual creature..... embarassedlaugh.gif
But doing it against modesty, moral codes, religion, and even law makes it as an act of crime....
anakjakarta84
QUOTE (Bohemian @ Nov 21 2005, 12:47 PM)
Sexuality and sexualism definitely have arisen in Europe, more stronger lately than ever. But, there is one thing I respect from them: they do it honestly without hypocrisy..

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QUOTE (Majapahitans @ Nov 21 2005, 04:28 PM)
I think this issue is just a tip of iceberg.  Talktohand.gif

Afterall humans are sexual creature.....  embarassedlaugh.gif
But doing it against modesty, moral codes, religion, and even law makes it as an act of crime....
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You guys wrote good points! biggthumpup.gif
@majapahitans: So should we let our natural sexual-creature attributes guide us or the moral codes/values, religion, culture etc guide us?
The Red Baron
QUOTE (anakjakarta84 @ Nov 21 2005, 12:35 PM)
QUOTE (Bohemian @ Nov 21 2005, 12:47 PM)

Sexuality and sexualism definitely have arisen in Europe, more stronger lately than ever. But, there is one thing I respect from them: they do it honestly without hypocrisy..

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QUOTE (Majapahitans @ Nov 21 2005, 04:28 PM)
I think this issue is just a tip of iceberg.  Talktohand.gif

Afterall humans are sexual creature.....  embarassedlaugh.gif
But doing it against modesty, moral codes, religion, and even law makes it as an act of crime....
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You guys wrote good points! biggthumpup.gif
@majapahitans: So should we let our natural sexual-creature attributes guide us or the moral codes/values, religion, culture etc guide us?
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its better than doing drugs... biggthumpup.gif
rx7boy
isk isk isk...memalukan saja.. but again, this thing isn't new to our world.
Tuanku_Nan_Rencah
memalukan... why ampe ketauan?? get a room! biggrin.gif
furansizuka
QUOTE (anakjakarta84 @ Nov 21 2005, 12:35 PM)
@majapahitans: So should we let our natural sexual-creature attributes guide us or the moral codes/values, religion, culture etc guide us?
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I think those moral values, etc differ us from animal embarassedlaugh.gif
Btw, do you guys have save sex? icon_wink.gif
purple
yep.. im saving my sex... hehe
Aranadhel
what does mesum & bejat means? icon_neutral.gif

furan: Islam prohibits sex before marriage.. biggthumpup.gif

purple: save for what? you keep it in the bank? icon_wink.gif
RentonWong
QUOTE (purnomor @ Nov 21 2005, 01:06 AM)
QUOTE
Gila, Pesta Seks di Kelas Libatkan Oknum Guru
Cianjur, Warta Kota

Gila, beberapa siswa sebuah SMA Negeri di Cianjur nekat berbuat mesum di dalam kelas. Adegan panas itu kemudian direkam dengan menggunakan kamera handphone. Perbuatan bejat itu akhirnya terbongkar.

Belakangan diketahui, ternyata aksi itu melibatkan seorang oknum guru pula. Kini, seluruh siswa yang terlibat sudah dipecat sedangkan oknum guru tersebut sedang dalam proses pemberian sanksi oleh Dinas Pendidikan Kabupaten Cianjur.

Salah seorang guru yang ditunjuk menjadi ketua tim pengusut, Ella Laelasari, membenarkan adanya kejadian itu. Menurut dia, ada 11 siswa yang dipecat karena melakukan pelanggaran berat. Mereka terlibat dalam kegiatan yang dilarang oleh agama maupun hukum negara yakni melakukan hubungan di luar nikah dan narkoba.

Secara rinci, Ella yang dihubungi di rumahnya Sabtu (19/11) malam mengatakan, dari 11 siswa itu, delapan wanita dan tiga orang laki-laki. Yang terlibat dalam adegan mesum di kelas jumlahnya empat orang. Namun keempatnya ini merupakan kelompok dari 11 siswa yang sering melakukan pesta seks dan pesta narkoba.

Ke-11 pelajar itu terdiri dari delapan siswi dan tiga siswa masing-masing berinitial, CN, siswi kelas 2, IM (kelas 3), YN (kelas 2), YLN (kelas 2), WD kelas 3, AN kelas 1, DT kelas 2, SHR kelas 3 dan DCK kelas 2, TM kelas 3 dan RY kelas 1. Sedangkan oknum guru berinisial DD.

Para siswa wanita itu ditengarai sering menjadi wanita panggilan. Istilah Ella terlibat hubungan seks di luar nikah. Ada pun keterlibatan oknum guru, yakni menjadi perantara para siswa dengan laki-laki hidung belang. "Untuk guru saya tidak mau berkomentar karena bukan wewenang saya," katanya.

Namun dia menyebutkan, oknum guru itu terungkap karena adanya pengakuan dari salah seorang siswa. "Ketika diperiksa, siswa itu menyebutkan bahwa ada guru yang terlibat," katanya.

Dari hasil pemeriksaan diketahui bahwa para siswa melakukan tiga pelanggaran berat yakni penggunaan narkoba, menjadi germo dan melakukan prostitusi terselubung dan melakukan degan mesum di dalam kelas. "Atas dasar pengakuan tersebut, pihak sekolah meminta mereka mengundurkan diri. Para orang tua mereka akhirnya menyadari, bahkan salah seorang wali murid berniat menuntut oknum guru tersebut. Itu hak mereka," kata Ella.

Kronologi

Menurut Ella Laelasari, terungkapnya kasus tersebut bermula ketika seorang wali kelas memproses kasus dua siswi, CN dan YN. Keduanya sudah berulangkali mendapat peringatan keras akibat merokok di sekolah. Kesalahan mereka sudah masuk katagori berat karena poinnya sudah mencapai 500.

Dalam peraturan, jika sudah melanggar dengan total poin 500, siswa itu harus dikeluarkan. "Mereka bersedia dikeluarkan dengan syarat agar teman-teman mereka, termasuk seorang oknum guru juga harus ikut dikeluarkan," kata Ella.

Pada akhirnya kedok para siswa dan guru terbongkar. Ternyata bukan hanya satu atau dua siswa tetapi dilakukan dengan teman-teman lainnya, termasuk sang guru. Dari hasil pemeriksaan tim guru tadi, empat siswi, masing-masing CN, YN, IM dan YLN mengaku pada 1 Oktober 2005, masih berseragam sekolah dibawa seorang pengusaha setempat dan oknum guru DD ke sebuah vila di Cipanas. Di tempat rekreasi itu mereka melakukan pesta narkoba.

"Selanjutnya mereka masing-masing dikerjai sebanyak sembilan kali, tanpa dibayar. Dua di antaranya diturunkan di depan kantor BRI Cianjur, seorang lainnya dalam keadaan mabuk berat diantar temannya pulang," kata Ella.

Yang mengagetkan Ella, mereka mengaku sudah terbiasa melayani para lelaki hidung belang dengan bayaran Rp 500 ribu hingga Rp 800 ribu. Belakangan Ella mengetahui kalau adegan bejat para siswanya itu sudah beredar ke mana-mana. Siswa lain bahkan masyarakat umum yang memiliki telepon seluler berkamera banyak yang memiliki film adegan mesum para siswa itu.

Menurut Ella, beberapa siswa mengaku pernah pernah digerebek aparat kepolisian ketika melayani pengusaha asing di sebuah kompleks perumahan di Cianjur. Kejadian itu berlangsung pada awal Oktober.

Humas Dinas P dan K Kabupaten Cianjur, Asep Sobandi yang dihubungi mengatakan, telah menerima laporan itu. "Kami sangat menyesalkan peristiwa itu, dan laporan itu sedang kami proses." (tribun jabar/tat)


This recent case is about several highschool students from Cianjur (a district that implemented a form of Islamic Law and is known as "the city of clerics") who were caught having sex in their classroom for pornographic purposes, who later confessed they have also been prostituting themselves to Jakarta businessmen. More surprising, the person who pimped them is none other but their teacher.

What do you think about this phenomenon? Is this sign of deteriorating morality or just reality of our society's real attitude to sex?
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This happen in Japan a lot, I feel sorry for the kids who decide to turn Japanese bawling.gif
sido
QUOTE (furansizuka @ Nov 21 2005, 10:47 PM)
QUOTE (anakjakarta84 @ Nov 21 2005, 12:35 PM)
@majapahitans: So should we let our natural sexual-creature attributes guide us or the moral codes/values, religion, culture etc guide us?
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I think those moral values, etc differ us from animal embarassedlaugh.gif
Btw, do you guys have save sex? icon_wink.gif
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embarassedlaugh.gif2 now thats a lady like question mbak embarassedlaugh.gif2

Actually come to think of it alot of girls arnt hesitant in asking those kinds of questions now, I had a friend the other day give me the third degree, I thought what the hell this is different, i mean i wouldnt have asked her these questions so i though if she gonna ask me im gonna ask her so i gave her the third degree also embarassedlaugh.gif2 makes you better friends though cause thats always the barrier between guys and girls I think, if you can talk about those issues you can talk about anything.
purple
QUOTE (Aranadhel @ Nov 22 2005, 03:01 PM)
what does mesum & bejat means?  icon_neutral.gif

furan: Islam prohibits sex before marriage..  biggthumpup.gif

purple: save for what? you keep it in the bank?  icon_wink.gif
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lame lame lame icon_rolleyes.gif
Aranadhel
QUOTE (purple @ Nov 22 2005, 01:54 PM)
QUOTE (Aranadhel @ Nov 22 2005, 03:01 PM)
what does mesum & bejat means?  icon_neutral.gif

furan: Islam prohibits sex before marriage..  biggthumpup.gif

purple: save for what? you keep it in the bank?  icon_wink.gif
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lame lame lame icon_rolleyes.gif
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purple: and you call me annoying? look in the mirror!
furansizuka
QUOTE (sido @ Nov 21 2005, 11:11 PM)
QUOTE (furansizuka @ Nov 21 2005, 10:47 PM)

Btw, do you guys have save sex? icon_wink.gif
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embarassedlaugh.gif2 now thats a lady like question mbak embarassedlaugh.gif2

Actually come to think of it alot of girls arnt hesitant in asking those kinds of questions now,
makes you better friends though cause thats always the barrier between guys and girls I think, if you can talk about those issues you can talk about anything.
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Why do we girls and boys have to be ashamed talking about sex anyway? I join ‘The One Campaign’ against AIDS and they also ask the same questions such as: Do you have safe sex? Do you use condom? Do you know how to use it? biggrin.gif
CuteyBunny
Wow, reminds me of one of the porn stories di Cerita-Cerita Seru website.
Aranadhel
furan: wht does mesum & bejat means?
furansizuka
^
Mesum = dirty
Bejat = immoral
Aranadhel
furan: bahasa indo gaul ya? I've never come across thse words before...
furansizuka
itu bukan bhs gaul tapi bahasa indo koq.
Aranadhel
furan: Ive never heard it before... ok, you can send your msg now.. biggrin.gif
sido
QUOTE (furansizuka @ Nov 22 2005, 02:42 AM)
QUOTE (sido @ Nov 21 2005, 11:11 PM)
QUOTE (furansizuka @ Nov 21 2005, 10:47 PM)

Btw, do you guys have save sex? icon_wink.gif
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embarassedlaugh.gif2 now thats a lady like question mbak embarassedlaugh.gif2

Actually come to think of it alot of girls arnt hesitant in asking those kinds of questions now,
makes you better friends though cause thats always the barrier between guys and girls I think, if you can talk about those issues you can talk about anything.
*


Why do we girls and boys have to be ashamed talking about sex anyway? I join ‘The One Campaign’ against AIDS and they also ask the same questions such as: Do you have safe sex? Do you use condom? Do you know how to use it? biggrin.gif
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I dont think they need to be (just not out in a public forum obviously) but its just in the past this kind of talk was taboo amongst indo's, but i guess with all the new found freedom and activities we see going on, its no longer a taboo subject to talk openly about amongst guys and girls embarassedlaugh.gif

BTW how did the FPI react to this Campaign mbak embarassedlaugh.gif
Bohemian
I agree with wong Majapahit. However, though, who can determine and set up the limit of sexual behaviour as an act of crime?

The other thing I'm really curious at, is, that pretty often I've been confronted by Indonesians with European/Western partners that people in Indonesia just are very backward-looking and our traditional social values are just against the spirit of freedom and self-esteem!!

Any opinion??


beerchug.gif
Majapahitans
QUOTE (anakjakarta84 @ Nov 21 2005, 12:35 PM)
You guys wrote good points! biggthumpup.gif
@majapahitans: So should we let our natural sexual-creature attributes guide us or the moral codes/values, religion, culture etc guide us?
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Ahah.hah.hah.... hard question....
been there done that. icon_redface.gif

When we are sober, aware of what we're (about to) do, it's wise to consider the consequences of what we about to do (sex I mean.... embarassedlaugh.gif ).

Our society has lots assorted rules of sexual conduct. You name it.....
From religion, law, culture.
For example, sex only for married couple, you musn't do it with juvenile (ewww... Talktohand.gif ). You musn't do it on public, you musn't force people to have it with you, homosexual issue, sadism and masochism, ect.

And I agree with Furan that this set of rules of sexual conduct DO separate us humans, from animals.

But I believe humans are sexual creature. A natural treats that can be called as our 'animal instinc' side. And I don't want to be a hypocrit, sometimes our natural animal instinct can be so overwhelmingly strong and blind our reasons, moral, religion beliefs, and even law. We can easily fall in to it, and SNAP..... it getting wild. icon_twisted.gif icon_redface.gif

Just please consider the consequences, and be save boys and girls..... icon_redface.gif biggrin.gif beerchug.gif
anakjakarta84
QUOTE (Majapahitans @ Nov 22 2005, 05:59 PM)
QUOTE (anakjakarta84 @ Nov 21 2005, 12:35 PM)
You guys wrote good points! biggthumpup.gif
@majapahitans: So should we let our natural sexual-creature attributes guide us or the moral codes/values, religion, culture etc guide us?
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Ahah.hah.hah.... hard question....
been there done that. icon_redface.gif

When we are sober, aware of what we're (about to) do, it's wise to consider the consequences of what we about to do (sex I mean.... embarassedlaugh.gif ).

Our society has lots assorted rules of sexual conduct. You name it.....
From religion, law, culture.
For example, sex only for married couple, you musn't do it with juvenile (ewww... Talktohand.gif ). You musn't do it on public, you musn't force people to have it with you, homosexual issue, sadism and masochism, ect.

And I agree with Furan that this set of rules of sexual conduct DO separate us humans, from animals.

But I believe humans are sexual creature. A natural treats that can be called as our 'animal instinc' side. And I don't want to be a hypocrit, sometimes our natural animal instinct can be so overwhelmingly strong and blind our reasons, moral, religion beliefs, and even law. We can easily fall in to it, and SNAP..... it getting wild. icon_twisted.gif icon_redface.gif

Just please consider the consequences, and be save boys and girls..... icon_redface.gif biggrin.gif beerchug.gif
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So there we have it. We must follow what religion, tradition, beliefs etc dictate, but it's also human to snap out of it and follow our animal-instincts. But when we do this we have to be punished!! icon_twisted.gif
purnomor
What do you guys think about the fact that these schoolgirls also prostitutes themselves to Jakarta or even foreign "customers".

Since they should be about 16-18 years old, and hence can be considered borderline adults, can prostitution ever be justified as means to look for extra income?
sido
^ No.

Putting religion aside it makes me feel sad to see young girls who really still dont know whats what, making money in this way whether they are forced or on their own accord. They will never lead a normal life afterwards, im sure if they tried otherways to make money even though initially not as easy they would feel much better about themselves if they get through the difficult times.

Whose seen virgin ? At the end of the day who was the one better of ? Even though people may recover over time i can pretty much bet its something they will never forget.
furansizuka
QUOTE (sido @ Nov 22 2005, 08:31 AM)
BTW how did the FPI react to this Campaign mbak  embarassedlaugh.gif
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Fortunately they don't care about AIDS campaign. biggrin.gif
malaccan
If it's any consolation if you can call it that, such things also happen in Malaysia. Young kids nowadays are more prone to express their sexuality with each other, irrespective of their religious and economic backgrounds.

I'm thinking that the best thing we can do as parents is to just be open with them, talk about the consequences and advice to always always be safe. It is dunia akhir zaman.
Bohemian
QUOTE
I'm thinking that the best thing we can do as parents is to just be open with them, talk about the consequences and advice to always always be safe. It is dunia akhir zaman.


Almost totally agree with Mr. Malaccan.. I've got a 6-month baby-girl - just thinking what to tell her in 16 years from now.. biggrin.gif
malaccan
QUOTE (Bohemian @ Nov 23 2005, 04:06 AM)
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I'm thinking that the best thing we can do as parents is to just be open with them, talk about the consequences and advice to always always be safe. It is dunia akhir zaman.


Almost totally agree with Mr. Malaccan.. I've got a 6-month baby-girl - just thinking what to tell her in 16 years from now.. biggrin.gif
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Awww.. congratulations Bohemian!! I love it when people have babies. Dunno when it's gonna be my turn.

Lemme guess which part that you don't agree on.. you'd advocate no sex before marriage right. So would I, so would I. But having seen what I've seen and knowing what I know now, I really do worry about the next generation and just how celibate they can be. Maybe when I'm a dad myself I'll have much stronger convictions. beerchug.gif
furansizuka
Show me your baby pic pls!! love2.gif
Bohemian
Mbak Furan,

Thanks for the suggestion.. :-) This is a picture of my baby.

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Looks smart, heh!? love2.gif

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Bohemian


So that you guys wouldn't be tired to click around.. icon_wink.gif
malaccan
^Comelnya Bohemian! Does she take after you or your wife? icon_wink.gif

Has she gone back to Indonesia yet?

Off-topic, but my new avatar is of a statue I took at Prague... familiar?
furansizuka
Cute! love2.gif
Aranadhel
QUOTE (furansizuka @ Nov 24 2005, 07:10 PM)
Cute! love2.gif
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kayak furan.. icon_wink.gif
sido
QUOTE (Bohemian @ Nov 24 2005, 04:15 AM)
Mbak Furan,

Thanks for the suggestion.. :-) This is a picture of my baby.

Photobucket

Looks smart, heh!?  love2.gif

beerchug.gif
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QUOTE (Bohemian @ Nov 24 2005, 04:16 AM)


So that you guys wouldn't be tired to click around..  icon_wink.gif
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Heheh kiuti skali biggthumpup.gif
Bohemian
Thanx a lot Mbak Furan, Mas Sid and Mr. Malaccan.

@ Malaccan: it's the ghost in front of the Mozart Theatre, isn't it?! icon_wink.gif

Next time you come to Prague, let me know. We'll go for the world-famous beer!

beerchug.gif
Bohemian
And BTW, people say my baby looks like me.. biggthumpup.gif

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sido
One thing though, i think the topik of this thread is really inappropriate for kute baby pictures .... maybe we should make another thread called cute indonesian baby pictures and put in linglungs baby pics as well as yours biggthumpup.gif
Bohemian
True.. was thinking about the same thing embarassedlaugh.gif2

Mas Sid, you can start the thread. You're my senior.. icon_smile.gif
purple
QUOTE (Aranadhel @ Nov 24 2005, 09:33 PM)
QUOTE (furansizuka @ Nov 24 2005, 07:10 PM)
Cute! love2.gif
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kayak furan.. icon_wink.gif
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u can't flirt with 2 gals at teh same time in different threads.... thats wrong, pathetic, desperate like and pimpish wannabeeish....

u have to choose one... and i think u should choose furan!

toodles

p.s. sorry furan... i don't want him.. he is ALL yours!
Aranadhel
QUOTE (purple @ Nov 24 2005, 08:51 PM)
QUOTE (Aranadhel @ Nov 24 2005, 09:33 PM)
QUOTE (furansizuka @ Nov 24 2005, 07:10 PM)
Cute! love2.gif
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kayak furan.. icon_wink.gif
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u can't flirt with 2 gals at teh same time in different threads.... thats wrong, pathetic, desperate like and pimpish wannabeeish....

u have to choose one... and i think u should choose furan!

toodles

p.s. sorry furan... i don't want him.. he is ALL yours!
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first of all, Im not flirting with anybody.. havent you heard of bercanda? joking around.. furan understands tht as much as I do.. why couldnt you ?

why cant I choose you a'way? I like your approach to my answers a'way... its intriguing to say the least...
Majapahitans
You both like quarreling married couple..... embarassedlaugh.gif

Naaaaah....., just joking biggrin.gif

But it's cute in certain way....,
really spicin-up indo-thread.... biggrin.gif
malaccan
QUOTE (Bohemian @ Nov 24 2005, 06:00 AM)
Thanx a lot Mbak Furan, Mas Sid and Mr. Malaccan.

@ Malaccan: it's the ghost in front of the Mozart Theatre, isn't it?!  icon_wink.gif

Next time you come to Prague, let me know. We'll go for the world-famous beer!

beerchug.gif
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Please lah Bohemian, don't call me Mr Malaccan... we're just about the same age, you're just a year older than me... but me still very kebudak-kebudakan! icon_redface.gif

You're absolutely right, statue to commemorate Don Giovanni. I was really drawn to it. Saw the puppet marionette show. Brilliant!

I might just take up your offer to visit Prague again! beerchug.gif Will have to wait for sido to come along this time. He wasn't too impressed with eastern Europe last time, I told him to save judgement until he's been to Czech Republic icon_smile.gif
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