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HoTaZnDuDe
Hi ya all japanese people(especially girls)lol embarassedlaugh.gif

Can any of you pls teach me some basic japanese words, as i am planning to visit japan next month. I'd really appreciate the good deed. Thanks guys in advance icon_smile.gif

Peace out! cool30.gif
ranmatatsumaru
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What kind of words would you like to know? Specific phrases?
Anyways here are a few essentials:
今日は (konnichiwa - good day; hello)
今晩は (konbanwa - good evening)
お元気ですか (ogenki desu ka - how are you?)
俺の名前は。。。です   (ore no namae wa (insert your name) desu - My name is...)
あなたの名前は何ですか (anata no namae wa nan desu ka - What's your name?)
御免なさい日本語が話せません (gomen nasai nihongo ga hanasemasen - Sorry but I don't speak Japanese)
判りません  (wakarimasen - I don't understand; I don't know)
お早う (ohayō - good morning)
有り難う (arigatō - thanks)
はい (hai - yes)
いいえ (īe - no)
初めまして (hajimema$hite - nice to meet you)
英語が話せますか   (eigo ga hanasemasu ka - Do you speak English?)
shiro
QUOTE (ranmatatsumaru @ Mar 24 2004, 09:41 PM)
俺の名前は。。。です   (ore no namae wa (insert your name) desu - My name is...)

I wouldn't use "ore", I'd stick with "boku" for boys and "atashi" for girls
"boku/atashi wa (your name) desu."
most foreigners sound funny called themselves "ore"


QUOTE (ranmatatsumaru @ Mar 24 2004, 09:41 PM)
あなたの名前は何ですか   (anata no namae wa nan desu ka - What's your name?)

you can also say "o-namae wa?"

QUOTE (ranmatatsumaru @ Mar 24 2004, 09:41 PM)
初めまして   (hajimema$hite - nice to meet you)

you can also say "yoroshiku"
"hajimema$hite" is more formal



and, don't forget "toiree ni doko desu ka?"
it's always good to be able to ask for directions to the bathroom icon_wink.gif
HoTaZnDuDe
OMG, that is so hard. But thnx really, thanx a lot. i really appreciate this. icon_smile.gif
Later... beerchug.gif
ranmatatsumaru
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(shiro @ Mar 25 2004, 12:17 AM)
most foreigners sound funny called themselves "ore"

You think so?
HTT
Well, I wouldn't really use "ore" with "no namae ha". Especially not if I've said "Ogenki desu ka" a few second before. Anyway, these examples should relate more to the spoken japanese. Starting from unformal.

Ore ha X. Yoroshiku!
Boku ha X desu. Yoroshiku onegai shimasu.
Hajimema$hite. Watakushi ha X to moushimasu. Douzo yoroshiku onegai itashimasu.

You don't really have to tell anyone your name anyways, right? Safe yourself the headache. It's just a little trip, and I'm sure that some of them, know english and will be happy to use it.

"Sayonara" means goodbye.
shiro
QUOTE (ranmatatsumaru @ Mar 25 2004, 12:54 AM)
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(shiro @ Mar 25 2004, 12:17 AM)
most foreigners sound funny called themselves "ore"

You think so?

that's what I was told by my homestay
"ore" is very informal, and most gaijin say "ore" for all occasions
so, it sounds very out of place

that, and if you're gonna use "ore", you might as well end sentences with "da" instead of "desu"
ex: "Watashi no namae wa BUREIN desu." vs. "Boku wa BUREIN desu." vs. "Ore wa BUREIN da."
AtlantisStar
I never learned how to write in japanese, just speaking and listen! icon_sad.gif
ranmatatsumaru
QUOTE
(HTT @ Mar 25 2004, 02:49 PM)
"Sayonara" means goodbye.

That's sayōnara; it's a long "o" sound.
Also, HTT, try not to confuse HoTaZnDuDe by transliterating the topic particle as ha. Although the particle is written with ha in hiragana it's not pronounced like that. I'm sure you know this but try not to confuse people on that since we are teaching speech which should be phoenetic.
shiro
QUOTE (ranmatatsumaru @ Mar 25 2004, 07:22 PM)
That's sayōnara; it's a long "o" sound.

why use the line on the o?
is that how you learned roomaji?
I've never seen that way taught in roomaji before...
I've always seen it as adding another vowel

i.e.:sayōnara = sayoonara, or sayounara

but yeah, good point about vowel length
Dachink
my goodness this is hard icon_confused.gif I'll be learning japanese next year so I hope it starts off easy
ranmatatsumaru
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Don't worry about it. Japanese is by no means difficult if you apply yourself.

QUOTE
(shiro @ Mar 25 2004, 10:21 PM)
why use the line on the o?
is that how you learned roomaji?
I've never seen that way taught in roomaji before...
I've always seen it as adding another vowel

i.e.:sayōnara = sayoonara, or sayounara

Yes, that's how I learned rōmaji alright.
Also, that line is called a macron. I've also seen the circumflex (^) used to indicate long vowels.
It seems more accurate to use the diacritic mark to indicate long vowels. Although using the two vowels is a direct transliteration of the hiragana it can be confusing for some people to see "ou" (king); they might pronounce it as an "o" sound followed by an "u" sound as opposed to the long "o" sound.
HTT
QUOTE (ranmatatsumaru @ Mar 26 2004, 09:22 AM)
Also, HTT, try not to confuse HoTaZnDuDe by transliterating the topic particle as ha.  Although the particle is written with ha in hiragana it's not pronounced like that.  I'm sure you know this but try not to confuse people on that since we are teaching speech which should be phoenetic.

Since I prefer using kunreishiki when transliterating, I've become a little rusten with hepburn. Sorry 'bout that. But since we're only teaching speech, why do you type up kanji anyway?
shiro
I'm guessing he typed the Kanji for reference
just a little bit of extra info icon_wink.gif

and, you don't have to transliterate the long o as "ou"
I've seen it lots (and learnt it) as "oo", even though those aren't the kana that are used
same deal as the subject particle, ha --> "wa"
HoTaZnDuDe
Honestly, i'm still confuse of some of the words you guys are teaching me. It's so difficult especially the pronunciation. Anyhow, arigato to everyone... icon_smile.gif beerchug.gif

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shiro
if you're confused, then ask questions

I'm not trying to confuse you.... icon_confused.gif

beerchug.gif
HoTaZnDuDe
QUOTE (shiro @ Mar 26 2004, 03:30 AM)
if you're confused, then ask questions

I'm not trying to confuse you.... icon_confused.gif

beerchug.gif

It's okay, i'm merely having difficulties pronouncing it, but other than that, i've learn a whole lot of japanese words i've never heard before thanx to you guys. icon_smile.gif

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shiro
okay
but if you have anything specific you want to know, ask

I only took three terms worth, and that was 5 years ago now, but I still know enough to get by icon_wink.gif
HoTaZnDuDe
QUOTE (shiro @ Mar 26 2004, 03:47 AM)
okay
but if you have anything specific you want to know, ask

I only took three terms worth, and that was 5 years ago now, but I still know enough to get by icon_wink.gif

Well i am glad to hear that. icon_wink.gif

Anyway shiro? you a guy? or a girl? Just out of curiosity, though i'd say you're a guy? confused.gif
shiro
good guess
HoTaZnDuDe
shiro is a very "guy name" but that cat's picture made me think twice. embarassedlaugh.gif Nothing offensice though. icon_smile.gif

When are your scientists going to make PS3s? biggrin.gif
Which one is more popular in japan? Xbox or PS2? confused.gif
shiro
QUOTE (HoTaZnDuDe @ Mar 26 2004, 04:12 AM)
shiro is a very "guy name" but that cat's picture made me think twice. embarassedlaugh.gif Nothing offensice though. icon_smile.gif

I thought 'shiro' was more of a pet's name, or not a name at all...?
I've never heard of a human called 'shiro' before
it's a color, afterall

but yeah, no offense taken
and, the cat was sent to me in an e-mail from my girlfriend that I thought was funny
it said:

What do you do when you have:
1) A bottle of tequila
2) A sharp knife
3) A very patient cat
4) Too much free time?
embarassedlaugh.gif
HoTaZnDuDe
QUOTE (shiro @ Mar 26 2004, 04:18 AM)
QUOTE (HoTaZnDuDe @ Mar 26 2004, 04:12 AM)
shiro is a very "guy name" but that cat's picture made me think twice. embarassedlaugh.gif Nothing offensice though. icon_smile.gif

I thought 'shiro' was more of a pet's name, or not a name at all...?
I've never heard of a human called 'shiro' before
it's a color, afterall

but yeah, no offense taken
and, the cat was sent to me in an e-mail from my girlfriend that I thought was funny
it said:

What do you do when you have:
1) A bottle of tequila
2) A sharp knife
3) A very patient cat
4) Too much free time?
embarassedlaugh.gif

LoL embarassedlaugh.gif

I thought shiro is a japanese name. But oh well, what do i know, i don't even speak japanese embarassedlaugh.gif

later... cool30.gif
shiro
Shiro means white.
It could be a name, but I have never heard it used as one.
Kulong
QUOTE (shiro @ Mar 26 2004, 03:34 PM)
Shiro means white.
It could be a name, but I have never heard it used as one.

Shin-chan's dog is named Shiro. icon_smile.gif



shiro
QUOTE (shiro @ Mar 26 2004, 04:18 AM)
I thought 'shiro' was more of a pet's name, or not a name at all...?
I've never heard of a human called 'shiro' before

I've heard it used for dogs, too
but only in shows
most of the people I met in Japan didn't have dogs
ranmatatsumaru
QUOTE
(HoTaZnDuDe @ Mar 26 2004, 03:20 AM )
Anyhow, arigato to everyone...

I'm sorry if this is confusing but it's actually arigatō. Make sure you pronounce your long vowels as long vowels.

QUOTE
(Kulong @ Mar 26 2004, 04:35 PM)
Shin-chan's dog is named Shiro. 

Who's Shin-chan? A cartoon character or something?
xxchinkypinkyxx
Kimi wa kawaii desune = You're kyoote (^_^)
Nanto(wit yur lido line what ever...) kirei na! = How pretty! (^_^)

i still think all Os in romanji are "long" o sound...i think it's understood cuz lyk... the vowels...a e i o u have set pronunciations, no?
a = ah // e = eh // i = ee // o = oh // u = ou
Ex: Konichiwa = kOH-nEE-chEE-wAH
are yu getting what I'm saying?
Ex: Nani o $hite imasu ka? = nAH-nEE OH shEE-tEH EE-mAH-sOU kAH?


if yu need to learn to write...there used to be a language lab online that my baby brother used to play with
shiro
QUOTE (xxchineseypinkyxx @ Mar 30 2004, 01:06 PM)
i still think all Os in romanji are "long" o sound...i think it's understood cuz lyk... the vowels...a e i o u have set pronunciations, no?
a = ah // e = eh // i = ee // o = oh // u = ou
Ex: Konichiwa = kOH-nEE-chEE-wAH
are yu getting what I'm saying?

all of the 'o' in Japanese are long o sound
However, Ranmatatsumaru was talking about vowel lenth

ex:
kyou --> long o (duration)
kono --> short o (duration)

what Ranmatatsumaru means by the o with the line is that 'kyou' should be written as 'kyō'
I never learned roomaji that way, I learnt to spell the long vowel by doubling the vowel (i.e.: aa, ii, uu, ee, oo) and the long o can be spelled as either 'oo' or 'ou'
so 'kyou', 'kyoo', 'kyō' are all valid roomaji for 'today'


QUOTE (ranmatatsumaru @ Mar 26 2004, 12:50 AM)
QUOTE
(shiro @ Mar 25 2004, 10:21 PM)
why use the line on the o?
is that how you learned roomaji?
I've never seen that way taught in roomaji before...
I've always seen it as adding another vowel

i.e.:sayōnara = sayoonara, or sayounara

Yes, that's how I learned rōmaji alright.
Also, that line is called a macron. I've also seen the circumflex (^) used to indicate long vowels.
It seems more accurate to use the diacritic mark to indicate long vowels. Although using the two vowels is a direct transliteration of the hiragana it can be confusing for some people to see "ou" (king); they might pronounce it as an "o" sound followed by an "u" sound as opposed to the long "o" sound.
ranmatatsumaru
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Well said, shiro!
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(xxchineseypinkyxx @ Mar 30 2004, 01:06 PM)
Ex: Konichiwa = kOH-nEE-chEE-wAH

konnichiwa. You forgot an "n".(kon=this, nichi=day)
shiro
QUOTE (ranmatatsumaru @ Mar 30 2004, 11:40 PM)
^
Well said, shiro!

learning six languages has its benefits beerchug.gif
ranmatatsumaru
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6! That's awesome! How about listing them?
For me, it's Japanese, Mandarin, Korean, English, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, Catalan, French.
I'm not fluent in each but can get around...
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