Sure, this is just one incident and unfortunate events like this happen in all parts of the world, but stories like this makes me ashamed of my Korean heritage.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/asia-pacific/1590762.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/asia-pacific/1588525.stm

that's just wrong..

This doesn't chip away from my korean heritage a bit... But they were smuggling illegal immigrants... That's a crime. :genius:

U are not the one doing it so why feel ashamed?
There are criminals from every country and every ethnicity, so does that mean
everyone in the world should feel ashamed of themselves then??
Lift up your head brother and be proud of who u are.
Remember...fighting!!!! ^^v

The issue is that the bodies of 25 people were simply dumped overboard as though they were fish food. This was no "burial at sea". The bodies should have been sent back to China at the PRC's expense.

In a way, I feel that they deserved it. It's a punishment for doing something illegal you know.

Break the law and bad things will happen to you :genius:
and for Kulong who is reading this: I am not saying this because I am Korean

I have nothing against Chinese people

well you sound like you have something against chinese people. By the way, people from North Korea also sometimes dies by crossing into South korea in either by sea or by land. And if you think that's an illegal act and they deserve die by crossing illegally, then you have a problem.

Yes, the dumping of the bodies is very wrong and the person who did it should be duly punished.
But I won't feel ashamed of being Korean just for that.

To say they deserve it is rather harsh...
True, they did something wrong but to have their bodies dumped like junk into the sea is just not right IMO.

I guess I do have a problem then.

that's just not right...

why should u b ashamed of ur korean heritage for this?
i barely think its a mistake, but it is, and the south koreans have apologized so put it behind us and its all good

and this is coming from a chinese

Yeah I know but that's just how I am. If a south Korean tried to illegally immigrate to some country and caught caught and got a punishment, I wouldn't care. He deserved it.

lol... and what about those mexicans who crosses the US border every one hour pass.

^oh no doubt!

Most of them were ethnic Korean Chinese as are most immigrants from China to Korea.

It's a tragedy that South Koreans would treat their own ethnic brethren this way as well.

Ethnic Korean chinese do face some discrimination in Korea although they are Korean.
Some native Koreans look down on them and sneer at their different accent.
They are deemed as different and called 'chao xian zu' in mandarin.

Chao xian zu is the official name for the ethnic Koreans in China. It is the Chinese pronunciation of Chosen, the traditional name for Korea. It's interesting that it's become a slur in S. Korea.

Yes, I've heard of this discrimination. It is quite sad. It is hard for me to figure out why Koreans are so racist? No wonder most of these ethnic Koreans are more loyal to the PRC than to Korea. I've heard many return from S. Korea quite disappointed and dismayed, and become very nationalistic Chinese when they return. The Korean Chinese (and there are about 3 million) recieve absolutely no discrimination in China, and in fact, they have produced some major figures in modern Chinese culture. Cui Jian, considered the father of modern Chinese rock, is ethnic Korean. But that is not even important, Chinese don't even think about him being Korean.

Ethnic Korean prefectures in NE China also have their own autonomous regions and their own public schools that teach in Hangul and the Korean language. They have just as many rights as Hans and they recieve extra benefits as minorities such as exemption from the one child policy, special government programs, affirmative action into university and exemption from many taxes.

I suppose given China's vast size and diversity, it is more accustomed to different peoples. While Korea is small and homogeneous, it cannot even be accomodating to ethnic Koreans who happened to originate somewhere else.

Wow... I never heard about korean looking down on chinese. And I dont believe this is happening. Huh... I can't believe why korean are so racist.

I can't believe you never heard of this. Many Koreans I've met in the US are very racist against Chinese people. But they are racist against all people in general. That's why I try my best not to be around the negativity of Koreans. Many seem to live in their own ethnocentric world, thinking that the tiny Korea is the center of the universe. When, in fact, to most non-Koreans, Korea barely even exists. To be around groups of Koreans for a non-Korean is to invite poison into your life. You would be filled with negativity, chauvinistic behavior and racist comments that your life would not be bearable.

The Chinese minority that lived in Korea have been persecuted and discriminated without end. I've met a couple, they say their lives were living hell in Korea.

I used to wish for friendship between Korea and China. But from my many experiences, it is hard for me to believe that the Koreans are sincere, warm or kind people save for a few individuals.

Come on now, not all Koreans are that way.

Honestly, all the Koreans I met in real life, be them here in the U.S., in Korea, or those I met in China studying Chiense, were all really nice and decent people.

The only racist, ethnocentric Koreans I've met are from online.

Well, it's probably because you never hung out with large groups of Koreans for a long period of time like I have.

Yes, there are many nice Korean individuals. And even if you are with a large group, they will usually be somewhat polite. But once you are with them for a long time, you see all the ethnocentric, chauvinistic and racist attitudes they have until you cannot stand it any longer. But I suppose if they really just wanted to be with their own, that's fine. But I was just giving my opinion based on my experiences on how it feels like to be a non-Korean amongst many Koreans for a long period of time.

Also, all the Chinese from Korea I've met have uniformly said that Korean society treated them like dirt and that they were living in PURE HELL. Hey, those were their words. I've met some ethnic Koreans from China and they consider themselves Chinese and they love China. So you can contrast the difference between the two countries right there.

I agree that our opinions will be different based on our personal experiences.

Korean, there are Korean in Perth too. But most of them are tourist or Korean that open small shop. I thought Korean is good to Chinese since we never rival before. But after I read such news, I few that Korean and Chinese are dividing. How dare they look down on Chinese. This is unacceptable!

it's mainly because their country is small and homogeneous. there is no diversity, only koreans. therefore, their worldview is constantly reinforced again and again and again and again and again and again..... it is quite tiring.

I don't believe we should generalize ALL Koreans as such. Maybe it's a trend in their culture but they are certainly not ALL that way.

Not all Koreans are like this, and I keep emphasizing this.

However, it is a large enough trend that most non-Koreans who experience being around Koreans for a long time will tell you the same thing.

Hmmm I dont have any korean friends. May be I should have one to see if they are racist...

blame on the damn government, not the korean popularity. By the way, I've never heard such chinese are being perscuted by the koreans, probably you are talking about during the 90's. The koreans have nothing against the chinese in general. They were probably being ignorant about the foreigners, but not in racist way.

That's pretty damn funny. Why do you talk like chinese are superior than koreans?

He didn't say that Chinese are supreior to Koreans.

He said that Koreans looking down on Chinese is unacceptable. Do you think it's acceptable for Koreans, or anyone for that matter, to be discriminating?

No, these are ethnic Chinese who lived in Korea even before it was independent. They were most persecuted under Park Chong hee.

In real life of course people won't show their contempt in front of you but online people they usually don't have to worry much.

[quote=kulong]He didn't say that Chinese are supreior to Koreans.[quote]
I never said he said that. I asked him why does he talk LIKE chinese are superior than the koreans, since he used this statement "How dare they" just like he thinks his ethnicity is greater than others.

You're right. I'm sure in real life, even you would hide your confrontational narrowminded self and pretend to be a decent human being.



That depends on how you want to interpret it. I don't think Caucasian-Americans dare be racist toward Africa-Americans, or at least in public. But that doesn't mean I believe either race is superior to the other.

One thing that i notice about every ethnicity in college is that they are all so nice and polite toward each other.

But who knows what they do once they go home and turn on their computer... *ahem*

kulong, you sounds a paranoid person.

I think you are too naive to believe that only online people are "racist" especially when you said that "i only met racist online". Everyone knows how this world works, in real life you won't say much about a person in front of them if you don't like them

Paranoid? Haha...

I guess you misunderstood me... I was implying that people like tqt while may be "friendly" and "polite" in real life, but he sure isn't online.



I believe I understand that being online tends to allow people to be less inhibited...

But I won't assume that every "friendly" person I meet in real life is a racist until proven otherwise. If I met someone online who IS racist on the other hand, I'd know he is racist.

I bet in real life you won't reveal how hypocritical you are

Whatever... -shurg

My experiences are 75% real life, 25%online. Of course, I have met countless racist, ethnocentric Koreans online. But I weigh their contribution less.

Most of my experiences I'm talking about are from Koreans I have known personally or have been acquainted with. Just very racist and ethnocentric, what else can I say? Doesn't mean they can't be fun to hang out with once in a while, but through the course of months or years, they get fu-king annoying.

And Chinese people arn't Racist?

There are racist chinese too. but they are not as ethnocentric and racist as koreans are. Koreans bring it to another level. I've never seen the type of ethnocentrism, except perhaps in Israelis.

The very structuring of your statement is flawed. How can you say whether or not 1.4 billion people is racist or not?

And chinese people don't look down on other ethnicity?

































HYPOCRITES.

Again, you are generalizing and stereotyping 1.4 billion people.

No one denied that there are Chinese who are racist. Can you honestly say that there aren't racists in every group of people? Even some Vietnamese are racists... just look at this forum

Also, how is it hypocritical to point out another person is racist just because there are racists within our ethnicity? There are obviously racist African-Americans in existance, does that mean African-Americans can't point out when a Caucasian-American, or anyone else, is racist when they are?

I'm not generalizing the whole Chinese population. I'm just saying that their are Chinese who are racist and looks down on others (Still can't see why) because he makes it seems like Chinese arn't racist.

BTW, I've met more racist Chinese than I have Koreans or any other Ethnicity.

Watch it...

We've already established that there are some Chinese who are racist. Like I asked, can you say that there aren't racist in any enthnic group?



And I suppose you believe your personal experience reflects reality?