So far there are two major battles that I can think of:

1. The Trung sisters rose up against Chinese occupation, defeated the Chinese ba$tard To Dinh and gave Vietnam independence from 40-42AD.

2. Ngo Quyen's defeated the army of the Southern Han Dynasty in 939AD in the Bach Dang river. Ngo Quyen brought death to the 1000 years of northern occupation and opened a new chapter of Vietnamese Dynastic rule.

3. Le Huan defeated the invasion army of China at Ai Chau, strengthening our claim to "Nam quoc son ha" Vietnam and kept the belligerent Chinese at bay for many years.


I will add more soon.... in the mean time, Vietnamese please feel free to contribute.

How about Lý Thường Kiệt defeated the Sung Chinese in 1076 at the battle of Như Nguyệt river. There was also the battle of Chi Lăng in the 15th century in which Vietnamese archers shot to pieces the Ming Chinese armỵ

Yes, both of those battles were very heroic and famous.

May I also add the Vietnamese war of attrition led by Binh Dinh Vuong Le Loi, which lasted for 20 years against the Ming dynasty. The Ming used the excuse helping the Tran Dynasty but in fact they were attempting to subject us to occupation and annexation again. Le Loi won after 20 years. Being a gentleman that he was, he gave the defeated Chinese ships and supplies and allowed them to return to China.

Only if the Chinese could have displayed such behaviour.

Interesting face: Le loi is muong-vietnamese

Ya forgot out greatest hero: Emperor Quang Trung Nguyễn Huệ.

Muong is nothing different than the Vietnamese. The language of the Muong and the Viet is almost identical.

Le Huan at Ai Chau? do you have more detail, NQSH ?

Tran Hung Dao's war against the second Mongolian (Yuan dynasty) invasion of Vietnam and the decisive battle at Bach Dang Giang. Does anybody knows the size of the Vietnamese army/navy in relation to the 200,000 strong Mongolian force?


The campaign to pacify the Kingdom of Chiem Thanh (Champa) by Ly Thuong Kiet was also very important. It prevented further hegemony from our southern neighbour and taught them a lesson for sacking Thanh Thang Long.

That's interesting, how did you get the 200,000 Mongolian force? According to Vietnamese sources the Mongols had 500,000 and 300,000 to confront with 200,000 Vietnamese in the two invasions. But i personally don't believe that in those 500,000 or 300,000 numbers because that's so exaggerated

Yup yup yup. Our first contact with the Cham was in the early 10 century during the Dinh dynasty. Dinh emperor sent diplomats there, but they were captured, so Le Hoan sent a fleet to punish the Chams, but our navy fell before it reach Cham. But 100 years later, we certainyly punished the Cham badly.

Talk a little more about emperor Nguyen Hue dude!

Sorry it was meant to be Emperor Le Hoan's defeat of the traitor mandarins Nguyen Bac and Dinh Dien at Ai Chau, uniting Vietnamese under Le Hoan in preparation for the invasion by the Song army. He was later renamed Le Dai Hanh, his imperial title.

It's really sad that the chinese have cheapened the feat of emperor Nguyen Hue by claiming that only 20,000 Qing marched into Vietnam in that 1789 year.

I reckon Emperor Nguyen Hue was one of the most heroic if not the most heroic Vietnamese in history. He was one of the world's greatest military genius. He established the largest Vietnamese army at that time, standing at 1 million soldiers. However, he died before the army was ready. I don't want to discuss the bit where he wanted to recapture the two northern provinces, it has been discussed before.

Also, he gave orders to build a battlefleet of 7000 battleships.

Emperor Quang Trung also gave refuge to anti-Qing dynasty Chinese and those people later became important officials in the Vietnamese court. One of them (forgot his name) developed the land of Khmer Krom (agriculture, cities) and gave it to the Nguyen as a tribute to the emperor and thanking him for helping the Chinese refugees.

The Chinese wanted to hide the shame of defeat. Do you seriously believe that the Chinese ever sent such a small army? Especially against the Vietnamese army that would have numbered no less than 100,000.

According to the Chinese they sent 20,000 men to help Le Chieu Thong reclaim the throne only. They didn't have any intention to invade Vietnam, how pathetic.

Wow, pretty impressive. I worship him with my heart. Yup, he built a vast army and navy. He was such a genius in military and politics.

And the land that you are talking about is the southernmost tip of Vietnam. That Chinese was by the name of Mac something, and he gave Ha Tien to Vietnam as an apprecitation.

Yes, his name is Mac Thien Tich.

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One thing that i've noticed over the years is that non-Vietnamese have tried to bring up all means to cheapen the Vietnamese victories over the Mongols in 3 occasions. They have used all kinds of excuses like terrain, weather, disease, supply shortage that the Mongols had to face to cheapen our victories.

Thanks for the information dalawapo.

Pretty cool signature you got there mate.

True. If it was the the terrain, weather, and disease, they how in the world did they conquer Persia (present day Iraq, Iran)? How in the world did they send their fleets and try to conquer Indonesia, Japan. And how did they get all the way to sack the city of Kiev?

One more excuse is that most of the soldiers in the Mongol army was Chinese conscript that's why the Mongol lost

I don't think that's true though. The Mongols just finished China in less than 20 years, and the Chinese wanted to help the Mongols? That's so unreasonable.

Oh by the way Hung Dao Vuong Tran Quoc Tuan was voted as one of the ten military genius in human history. It was some convention held after WW2 in London, UK.

Mongols first attacked Han Southern Song dynasty in 1235, the dynasty fell in 1271.
1271 - 1235 = 36

I've stated that this is a "NO CHINESE" topic because I know that any Chinese comment will escalate into a flame war with Vietnamese. Thank you for your contribution but no thank you you're not welcome. To all Vietnamese, PLEASE IGNORE.

No, I meant when Mongols completely conquered China, and in less than 20 years, they invaded Dai Viet for the first time. So the Chinese wouldn't want to help the Mongols in the invasion of Dai Viet.

<<<sigh>>> Nam Quoc Son Ha, isn't that a little mean? I understand that you don't want to escalate the arguements, but the guy didn't really say anything.

Just my opinion though.


PLEASE DO NOT ARGUE ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE. I am crossing my fingers.

If they come in peace, I will receive them with open arms. If they want war, I will open the gate of hell.

Hehehehheheee...

hehehehe... I was being dramatic... let's have a beer to cool down shall we?

Were those "phan Thanh phuc Minh" Chinese people who settled mostly in southern Vietnam ? I've also heard Mac Cuu took Ha Tien from the Khmers and gave it to the Nguyen emperor.

Arghh come on! Even if you vietnamese insult our chinese in this topic, we have to ignore and let you insult us? We cannot be so weak... Come on, didnt we promise PEACE in other forum? PEACE, why do you want to be so racist againts chinese?

I never hate vietnamese. And I have lots of vietnamese friends in Perth!

Nah, we just don't want any arguement against you guys anymore, because this is our version of the history. And of course your version is different. So what's the point of argueing? Ya know?

HaHa.. you're right.

Sure, we got nothing to do with it. Only the scorchedearth tactic and the iron-tipped stakes in the river bed drove the Mongols home, beside the disease and the weather.

Do you know that there were debates among historians about the Mongols being the first to use chemical weapon. They used to hurl plague-infested dead bodies into besieged enemy towns in Europe to get the population there infected ?

Didn't his force kill the Tong general Hau Nhan Bao too ?

Not only that, Le Loi sent gifts and emissaries to China to apologize for his force's "irresponsible behavior", as well as other past "irresponsible behaviors" in the 10th and the 13rd centuries.

I thought it was prudent to preserve the harmony with the Sons of Heaven. I am sure the Chinese, who invented such behavior, had always displayed it among themselves, just not to Vietnam due to the arrogance that naturally possessed by people of a much more powerful nation.

This is nothing more than drumming up hatred toward Chinese. This very creation of the thread with its "NO CHINESE ALLOWED" policy on a PUBLIC forum just shows how close-minded and discriminating you are.

But like DAI_VIET said, this is just YOUR version of history. Say whatever you wish, if it boosts up your ego.

I agree. Nam Quoc Son Ha what are you playing? With your "No CHINESE ALLOWED" policy on a public forum, you are showing that you are anti chinese. You insulted Chinese all over the globe and China!

It's OK, huaren. We'll leave them be. We will show our desire for peace by not interfering and allowing them to keep talking about THEIR version of history as DAI_VIET said.

Right Kulong, PEACE!

As a Chinese, I feel ashamed of some of the wrongs that China has done to Vietnam. I have many Vietnamese friends and they are good people. I love Vietnamese food and from what I've seen in movies, the country looks beautiful and I'd love to visit some day.

However, don't you guys think you're being a little close minded by blocking out Chinese from this thread? I think many Chinese are open to building good relations with Vietnamese and recognizing our wrongs.

Boo ya!

Wow, first time from one Chinese out of 1.4 billion people and a bunch more overseas. It's on me.

Excuse me but I've been expressing my interest in Vietnamese cultures way before you even joined AF

Give it up...

And secondly, tattra... how many times do I have to tell you to refrain to multiple-posts? Next time I see them I will give a warning.

EDIT: Same to you Dai_Viet

-Norm

Oooops!

honestly, why must you emphasize on the "YOUR" and "THEIR" ??.. sure our versions are different from yours doesn't mean that ours is wrong and yours is right... history is just like the opinion of a person who published her work.. kinda... anyway, i'm sure NQSH doesn't want u guys here 'cuz none of us appreciate ur comments and we dun wanna argue... we believe our ancestors like u believe urs... if u interest in our culture why dun u try and understand that we have pride too... anyway, dun ruin this topic, PM me?.. sorrie, continue..

what is multiposting guys ?