QUOTE(GraceJao @ Jun 19 2007, 02:14 AM) [snapback]3012478[/snapback]
ur misunderstanding what im saying.
because we are lao doesnt make us apart of Lanxang. Lao Lanna and Lao Lanxang are two different kingdoms indeed. the only time Lanna was truly apart of Lanxang was when the crown prince Setthaya married the queen of Chiangmai. but throughout our history, the royal bloodline flow through both our kingdoms like the river Maekong.
Lanna was before Lanxang lets not forget.
Nothern Thailand are the oringal Lao ppl, before Lanxang. what i mean when i say Lao province is that the ppl of Lanna are Lao ethnicly. whether it be under the burmese or Siamese,
O yeah, Sao Lanna are very beautiful, most of the models or actress in BBK sao Lanna.
come to Chiangmai, it is more fun the BBK, and poo sao there are more beautiful.
because we are lao doesnt make us apart of Lanxang. Lao Lanna and Lao Lanxang are two different kingdoms indeed. the only time Lanna was truly apart of Lanxang was when the crown prince Setthaya married the queen of Chiangmai. but throughout our history, the royal bloodline flow through both our kingdoms like the river Maekong.
Lanna was before Lanxang lets not forget.
Nothern Thailand are the oringal Lao ppl, before Lanxang. what i mean when i say Lao province is that the ppl of Lanna are Lao ethnicly. whether it be under the burmese or Siamese,
O yeah, Sao Lanna are very beautiful, most of the models or actress in BBK sao Lanna.
come to Chiangmai, it is more fun the BBK, and poo sao there are more beautiful.
apologies if i misunderstood .
QUOTE(elephantking @ Jun 19 2007, 02:18 AM) [snapback]3012486[/snapback]
Lanna was never a province of Lanxang. Lanxang was created becuase Fa ngum took over Xiengthong. Lanxang was a creation to extend the lao dynasty on from MengHai . Lanxang territory used to be part of Lanna . Setthatirath was the king of Lanna before he became the king of Lanxang. His plan was to take both kingdom and remain in Chieng mai but because he fear to close to the Burmese he move his capital to Chieng Thong (luangprabang). He later moved it to Chantaburi( viengchan). If you ask an old person from viengchan ( in a town south of the city) where the is the old capital of muang lao . They will tell you its Chieng mai and Chieng rai. My aunt died four months ago. We had this same conversation. Burma came in the conversation. She didn't get a good education but when she talked about the Shan state she called it part of muang lao. I ask her where is the old capital of muang lao that her parents past down to her . She told me Chieng mai and Chieng rai. That is probably why some lao people mistaken shan state as part of lanxang and thinks the lanna was a part of lanxang. The people of my mothers root were the people called tai/dai ( however you want to spell it) that migrated down from the ailao mountain. We are the same group as the tai yai along with the people of Chieng rai area. All these old people pass down a story of Wiang kham Sukhothai to their children. Its about us taking the khmer land and building a city. The story of the bamboo fortress is part of tradition pass down verbally.
I thought Chiang Tong was Keng Tung ??
QUOTE(thepimpraja @ Jun 19 2007, 02:28 AM) [snapback]3012496[/snapback]
Let's be real for a second, Grace. You and I know that Lanna people don't want anything to do with Khon Lao today. Original or not, it's the Lao people of Vientiane where the center of Lao identity is the strongest. It's in Vientiane where our king, the last of the true Lao king, Chao Anou stood up against the oppressors. We can say Lanna and Luang Prabang as being this or that, but it's in Vientiane, where the heart and soul of all things Lao is centered upon.
Can people clarify this for me . Does anyone in Lanna call themself lao ? I ask because Shan in Burma call ourselves Tai ( no one uses lao ) Yet no one ( at least in the Eastern part of the Shan states ) would dispute that the people of LanNa , Lanxang , KengTung and other parts of the eastern shan states are not the same people .
QUOTE(GraceJao @ Jun 19 2007, 03:05 AM) [snapback]3012574[/snapback]
You are wrong about this ai thepimpraja,
we know were we come from and who we are.
u will never here kon lanna refer to ourselves as Siamese. we have our own culture and language.
true there are ppl who will not have anything to do with knowing they are Lao, but that is just because of lack of education.
dont blame the ppl like i see u do all the time, for what the government has taught us through out our schooling.
if lao students are taught that they are vietnamese since preschool and everyday of their lives for certain generations, most likely they will think they are vietnamese. but eventually ppl will begin to see the truth. so what do u think we will think if we are taught this, try not to blame us all like i said before.
even when i see kon thai talk the way they talk about lao, i dont blame them, they are taught to think this way since they are born. not all of us think this way, some of us know the truth so its about education.
we know were we come from and who we are.
u will never here kon lanna refer to ourselves as Siamese. we have our own culture and language.
true there are ppl who will not have anything to do with knowing they are Lao, but that is just because of lack of education.
dont blame the ppl like i see u do all the time, for what the government has taught us through out our schooling.
if lao students are taught that they are vietnamese since preschool and everyday of their lives for certain generations, most likely they will think they are vietnamese. but eventually ppl will begin to see the truth. so what do u think we will think if we are taught this, try not to blame us all like i said before.
even when i see kon thai talk the way they talk about lao, i dont blame them, they are taught to think this way since they are born. not all of us think this way, some of us know the truth so its about education.
Do you refer to yourselves as Lao though ?
