What is the current bride pride for:

a dropout without a highschool diploma?

highschool graduate with no college degree?

a girl possessing only a Bachelor's?

a girl possessing a Master's degree?

I believe the guys should have the same standards, why does everything have to fall on the gals.

what in the world is this all about???

plz do explain why u care so much for this topic, my curiosity is wandering.

Bride Price is part of the wedding process in the Hmong culture; very complex.

I care to ask, because I would like to know if the same standards are upheld today or has it changed in regards to the Bride Price - "the permanent contract between two families."

Everything is determine on the girl's merit, I am questioning - what about the guys?

ic ic. sorry i misstook it for something else.

what they got prices for skool education level?!
Thats bull$hit!

It dont matter what the gurl school education level is, the prices are gona be around thousands.

dont kare much, i said its bull$hit but hey its our tradition....

ahaha i knoe rite!? this is bull!! ahah my gurl is i 25gran so yeah dat sucks fer me...Oh well i guess we arent ever going tah marry den...hehe but the price jus depends on the family...but fer my gurl shes de las daughter so iono...but it depends on the family and how low can ur bargainers get the price to get down too...but in the end have fun saving money cuz u knoe dam well ur parents arent gonna help pay 25gran fer ur gurl hehe *winK*

I HAVE 5 YOUNGER SISTERS!!! I'M GONNA BE RICH!!!!

Actually, it doesn't really matter if the she has a h.s. diploma or not or whether she's a professional or not or if the guy has his head on straight. It's all about the parents and the negiotations. $25k is ludacris. Usually, it's around $7-$10, but again, it all depends on the family and if you're including ALL the fees/dues.

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Nicely said.
25k can almost get a u a evo lol.

hehe wat can i say??? i'mma kiddnapp her heh forget this...*wink*


*please note* kids do not do this at home

25G's...dang she must look hella good if there is a gal out there for that price...but from what i'm used to hearing is that the prices are usually around 4G's-10G's... :jawdrop:

I believe that General Vang Pao passed a new hmong clan law that you can take. Basically the bride is $5000 no more no less. And remeber the cost of the wedding is paid for with that money. And the remaining is up to the girl's parents to give to the couple or keep for themselves. I am not exactly sure how it works with this. But I think that is how it is now.

If only educational background wasn't a factor, but it is common. Some families will go into critical detail about the girl's appearance! And digging deep into the family background, income, and etc.

I've heard of a groom paying $15,000 for his bride, this doesn't cover the reception - that would be separate.

But there are other families who want happiness for their daughter that the amount of money doesn't matter, as long as the newly-weds are happy.

I guess, the family just need to find a good negotiator. $25K is outrageous.

Who cares what General Pao Vang have to say! We're in America now. Obviously, we have to pass on the Hmong tradition, but to follow what GPV has to say, yeah right.

Well it didn't really matter how much a bride is because they going give you the money back anyways so you can start off your life...

5 g's for all...no question ask...new rule for the hmong peeps...dont believe ask your parents..... :genius:

For real!! That mean that my Gurlo friend is worth 5g's and she tha youngest of her family.. the youngest cost the most you know! Tight!!

heh heh i noe a way to get a cheap 50$ wedding, goto vegas ^_^

nope..it dont matter.... :genius:

Are you sure?

who da heck is gonna follow a law set by mister GVP? i think only people who reallyreallyreallyreally support him will. too much controversy cause hmong people don't go for that stuff. if this new law is true then it is almost insignificant considering the average wedding is already 6-8 thousand dollars.

i think he's just trying to make himself look good by passing a law that everyone's already following. it's all part of his political strategy. that way people will still think he's the top shiznits. i don't hate him, this is just my opinion.

I missed that post - Vang Pao makes rules and people follow?

Average wedding is actually $10k and up. Those less than that tend to be a quickie wedding.

$25,000K! Somebody must be a dumba$$ to pay that much. I say anywhere from $5K - $10K, total wedding and all. Especially in today's world. Just ask all the folks from Minnesota about the divorce rate there.

in my opinion:

What is the current bride pride for:

a dropout without a highschool diploma?
500
highschool graduate with no college degree?
5000
a girl possessing only a Bachelor's?
7000
a girl possessing a Master's degree?
8000
I believe the guys should have the same standards, why does everything have to fall on the gals.

guys are priceless!!

Bride price? Hmong guys buy their bribes or something? I have never heard of this tradition before. Care to explain this to me a little more there guys?

well it's simple it's a tradition or in another word our culture just like yours it that easy to understand.

level of education really doesn't matter... it all depends on the situation and the bride and groom who are getting married... my friend's cousin married a ghetto gal without a high school education and she was 10g's flat no more no less. my aunt had her b.s. degree and on her way to getting her master's and she was only 7g's. so it all really depends. in addition... if the guy was caught breaking hmong courting rules of conduct he has to pay a $200 fine for each offense in addition to the bride price. for example if the girl's parents catch the guy holding the girls hand in the girl's house =$200, if he's caught kissing her =$200, if he takes her virginity before marriage + another $200... supposedly the money appeases the 'dab qhuab' and fixes all the wrong doings of improper courtship. pretty expensive if you're looking to marry a hmong gal. if you must find one who's worthy of every damn penny... she better wake up and cook food and work just like everyone else! no one wants to marry someone at a bride price of 10g's and realize she's a lazy bootay or worse - she can't cook a lick! that would ultimately suck.. you're gonna die before she actually prepares a decent meal. we always joke around that the girl to wake up last is the most expensive-- 20g's...i know a hmong lady who married a white guy and she was free because her parents liked the guy and felt the relationship was based on everlasting love AND NOT just marry, sex, babies and then he go bye bye and divorce. it's not that guys are priceless... it's that they're not worth much.. they get to carry on their family name?? if not anything more.

welcome to our culture....cant really do much cuz alot of peeps support him for helping them in the war sh8t... :genius:

gvp and $5000 only for brides??? my butt! that's not a part of the national constitution or implemented in any state or local laws so it really doesn't apply. if it's not written no one has to abide by it... it's an oral message that no one will heed. that's that. he might have been a leader some point in time when people listened and did what he told them too but we're a new generation of hmong folks and he can't rightfully tell us what to do, especially in a place like amelika (haha)!

i agreee....

mah cousin juss got married and her husband had to pay $7600 fore her...

Just get to know your so call in laws well enought so that they can trust u that u will love their daught with all your heart and on weding day well fly by with out u losing a penney. Her parent well even give a couple of thosand just for showing that u can be a good inlaw. well that what one of my cosin did and he didnt pay dime.

Yo people! The wedding dowry is just for security purpose, incase the marriage don't work out. The girl gets the $ to start of on her own. Yep up to 25g, no one will ever want to get married.


-Vajyilan!

umm...it really depends on the parents of the bride...they may charge money..they may give her away free....never knoe... ...but i heard tat General Vang Pao so said tat brides can only cost $5,000?..

Yes, it's only $5000 now.. no more, no less.. It's a law and if they find out that people are charging more then they get fined... that's so gay... I remembered back in the days when guys had to pay a lot for girls... now if I marry a hmong guy(which I'm not gonna) I won't be worth much... Why do guy's parent complain about the prices of their son's wife? It's not that much...

Because they've all become too americanize, want to let go of the traditions and become more like the rest of americans.

I'm getting married next summer and honestly it seems too hard to pay the bride price, plus do the wedding ceremony and reception (American style), but my fiance and I are thinking about giving $10K or more to my parents. So....more like a thank you gift.

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I think these days has changed since the days of dinasoars. Mostly if you find an educated girl, her parents should be more likely americanise. They will probably expect a big wedding though, that will probably cost around the same anyways. :shocked:
If your getting married to a high school drop out on the other hand. It'll probably cost you about $5,000 or less. Probably a hmong wedding and off to the ghetto to start your life. So guys go to school and set higher standards for yourself aiites.

hmong people in the us still do dowry? whoaah. no offense with my opinion but wouldn't it be better if you lef the money of the man into the hands of the couple so that they could use it to be more self reliant and more responsible for their own affair. yes it's nice to know that if a man really would take care of your girl if they would spend all that much, but really a really rich dude would care for such, and the fact that it makes it more materialistic on the side of both parties.

I got seven sisters, including aznricechiq, but all of them aint gonna be bought, cuz we in america.

Besides, if any guy tries to put a price of one of mah sisters, I would get a gun and shoot him... well not exactly shoot him, but you get the idea...

I swear, hmoob people are gonna go broke paying for their brides and everything else.. i don't really think the new generations should follow this tradition.. that was way back then.. my brothers getting married.. well.. he's engaged and him and his fiance are getting married.. he aint paying nothing.. but for the ceremony, food and whatever they need.. its harder having an american wedding with everything else you want when you pay as much for the wedding as for the bride

"If money is problem than you are simply not ready."

bride price set at $5 G's. 2 2 and by GVP 2 2

bride price, between some clans are set a certain amount, especially if the clans are in agreement. if clans aren't, then it's all negotiations by the brides parents and clan. questions such as, have any of their peeps mistreated our peeps, were their peeps nice to us, did their peep overcharge one of our peeps and what's the going price for brides nowadays and was fair, the groom, etc. usually, today i'd say from $7 to 10 G's is normal.

GVP can kiss my @$$ and if you don't follow, you can get sued! by who, by what. this is ludicrous 2 GVP is dumb @$$ i haven't seen him done anything for the hmong peeps. don't give me this, he brought us to america shiet.

GVP is too worry scurrying for more money that's all. tell me one thing GVP actually did for the hmong peep. when he fought the war, it was for the US of A, not for hmong peep. when he came, he didn't say, you left my people behind, you have to go get them back as promised. he left cause he's a coward. not a leader. if he was to run, at least take his people with him. if his people is to fight, stay with them. if they are left behind, he is to return for them. this is the mark of a true leader. not GVP. he's just self centered, money hungry, dirty lying, cheating bastard.

2=1

man, that's why you don't marry a hmong gurl. Too much tradition you have to deal with. Not that I don't like our traditions, but sometimes it gets too "OLD", if you understand. Paying for a wife is like making an investment. Would you rather choose the TOYOTA Carolla for $500, which will last forever and great on mileage, or the PORSCHE 911 TURBO, where it's HOT and FAST, but a lot of maintenance and expensive to fix. Which would you choose? I already know what every guy is thinking.....so BUMP that!!

I thought this topic was already hit on. Why keep bringing it up? Things will be the way they are and in the end it all comes down to preference. Why don't you visit Hmong Traditional Wedding in the Serious Talk section.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8802

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Good one. I find that so true.

Actually, have u read it yet. GVP may have started it, but it was organized & drawn up by younger folks who had just finished school & majored in law. Not only that, the 18 Xeem Hmong (which consist of members representing each Hmong Clan) approved of it by the way. They were the ones who went into the courts & got it accepted & approved. I can't even remember what it's called, but Native American's can get certain laws similar to this law to be approved because it is something pertaining to culture. It's still in its beginning phase & there is still room for improvement. I think it's there, more as a precaution so that someone doesn't abuse & misuse the amount of the bride price & is also there to act more as a guideline. Again keep in mind again that it is still in its beginning phase. I do believe the law/article (whatever it's called) was sent only to leaders within the Hmong community, so the one to know about it would be that person (and I can't write in Hmong so can't write what that person is called in Hmong).

What they said, plus I think 5K or 10K is not alot of money. If the girl's family is vast and their relatives are close, you'd get back alot more as wedding gifts.

The money is not going to be given back to the couple though, so don't bet on it. If the parents want to give the couple some money as wedding gifts, they will, but you're expected to save that money as your foundation for building your wealth. You're not supposed to spend it to get started. Spending the money is considered bad luck. Also, spending it means you're not capable of managing your money thus you're doomed to a life of poverty and debts.

if i was to pay 10000 dollars for a wife, she damn might as well come in with unlimited day and night access, leathers seats, and a masters degree in bj before i give the cash. hehehe. jk.

Here's a quote from an anthropoligist concerning bride price (I just thought someone might want to read it:

"When a girl marries, a bride-wealth will be required from her husband. The more industrious she is, the higher the bride-wealth is likely to be. This bride-price is also referred to by the Hmong as "nqi mis nqi hno" or nurturing charge, implying that a girl's parents bring her up at much cost only to lose her to her husband. Although male children are given greater significance, this does not mean that daughters are devoid of parental care and affection, or that spinster relatives are not given offerings after death."

u want to read the whole article, u can, it is: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~lao/laostudy/hmrelate.htm