Attention Indian people!
There is a 'Baliwood' movie coming out entitled "Zinda". I don't know what exactly that means but I do know that Zinda is a remake of a great film by South Korean director, Chanwook Park entitled, "Oldboy". I highly reccomend that if anyone is considering to see Zinda that they first pick up a copy of Oldboy. This is one of the best movies I have ever seen and I have strong doubts that it can be remade. By the way, not only is India remaking it, so is the U.S. (Yeah, the movie is that good!)
Full Version: Zinda
"Zinda" means "Alive"
Is the movie old boy a serious movie or some sort of comedy movie? and When is Zinda out?
Is the movie old boy a serious movie or some sort of comedy movie? and When is Zinda out?
QUOTE(fu-karma @ Jan 6 2006, 03:34 PM)
Attention Indian people!
There is a 'Baliwood' movie coming out entitled "Zinda". I don't know what exactly that means but I do know that Zinda is a remake of a great film by South Korean director, Chanwook Park entitled, "Oldboy". I highly reccomend that if anyone is considering to see Zinda that they first pick up a copy of Oldboy. This is one of the best movies I have ever seen and I have strong doubts that it can be remade. By the way, not only is India remaking it, so is the U.S. (Yeah, the movie is that good!)
There is a 'Baliwood' movie coming out entitled "Zinda". I don't know what exactly that means but I do know that Zinda is a remake of a great film by South Korean director, Chanwook Park entitled, "Oldboy". I highly reccomend that if anyone is considering to see Zinda that they first pick up a copy of Oldboy. This is one of the best movies I have ever seen and I have strong doubts that it can be remade. By the way, not only is India remaking it, so is the U.S. (Yeah, the movie is that good!)
Not 'Baliwood" -- Its "Bollywood"
Most Indians can't understand Korean, so watching the original probably won't happen (unless its in English or its subtitled). As far as the movie 'Zinda' is concerned, it has yet to be seen if it is actually going to draw heavily from Oldboy or if it is going to diverge into its own direction.......
QUOTE(kkdkckrl @ Jan 6 2006, 06:45 PM)
"Zinda" means "Alive"
Is the movie old boy a serious movie or some sort of comedy movie? and When is Zinda out?
Is the movie old boy a serious movie or some sort of comedy movie? and When is Zinda out?
Yea, it's supposed to be a serious film. The plot is about a man who is imprisoned in a small, dark room for fourteen years. He doesn't know how he got there. But he is set free for four days to find out why he was imprisoned and who was behind it.
Sanjay Dutt and John Abraham are the lead in the Indian version.
It is rumored to be a remake of the Korean movie Oldboy. I know that John himself has said in an interview that he enjoys watching Korean movies.
QUOTE(kkdkckrl @ Jan 6 2006, 03:45 PM)
"Zinda" means "Alive"
Is the movie old boy a serious movie or some sort of comedy movie? and When is Zinda out?
Is the movie old boy a serious movie or some sort of comedy movie? and When is Zinda out?
It is a serious movie. I am not sure when it comes out. Go to www.zindathefilm.com that is the official website.
QUOTE(nickiher @ Jan 7 2006, 03:28 AM)
It is rumored to be a remake of the Korean movie Oldboy. I know that John himself has said in an interview that he enjoys watching Korean movies.
There is no doubt that it is a remake of Chanwook Park's Oldboy. If you have ever seen Oldboy then you know exactly what I am talking about. Now, naturally some of the details are probably going to be a little different but just from looking at the trailer and movie stills on the official website I can say with 100% certainty that Zinda is India's remake of Oldboy. The official website is www.zindathefilm.com
@Tenji
My bad about the spelling.
I also do not speak Korean. I own a copy of Oldboy with English subs. It is available in the U.S. Actually, Quentin Tarantino liked Oldboy so much that he promoted it here in the states. It didn't get wide release, but I was lucky enough to find a theater playing it. They even make it for PSP.
I don't think Indians will watch korean movies or the original Oldboy. But all I do know is that the censor board is raving about the movie! I mean the friggin' censor board is raving about this movie 
It must be something
It must be something
QUOTE(kkdkckrl @ Jan 10 2006, 07:58 PM)
I don't think Indians will watch korean movies or the original Oldboy. But all I do know is that the censor board is raving about the movie! I mean the friggin' censor board is raving about this movie
It must be something
It must be something
Yeah its something all right. Its what we call a rip-off.
I have heard that Sanjay Gupta is famous for replicating foreign movies. What is pretty pathetic is that Indians who have never seen Oldboy will probably eat Zinda up and think that Mr. Gupta has such a great vision with this film. Well, you heard it here first, this is an Oldboy rip-off.
A law-suit is already under consideration by Show East, the company that produced Oldboy. They say that they notice how similar Zinda is to Oldboy but they will have to see a finished copy of the movie to decide. The only rights they sold for Oldboy were to Universal in the U.S.
Everyone see for yourself. Just look at the trailers for each movie and tell me that Zinda is not an Oldoy rip-off:
Oldboy Trailer
Zinda Trailer
Notice how the main character in Zinda escapes from a big suitcase just like main character in Oldboy. Even the narration is the same for both movies, "taken without warning. Held without reason." Sanjay Gupta didn't even try to make it look original. The scene at the very beginning of the Zinda trailer where he is talking to the man through the hole in the bottom of the door, that is the EXACT scene from Oldboy. The scene where the main character in Zinda is being dragged away on a sheet of plastic while blood is pouring out, that is the EXACT scene from Oldboy.
And to put it bluntly, Chanwook Park is a far better director than Sanjay Gupta. Both the Indian and U.S. remakes of Oldboy will not be nearly as good as the original.
Just because the trailers are similiar don't mean the movies will have that much similarities. Bollywood is famous for copying stuff but not scene for scene.
I am the least who would care if a movie is a remake or not as long as they do a good job.
I am the least who would care if a movie is a remake or not as long as they do a good job.
QUOTE(fu-karma @ Jan 11 2006, 11:17 PM)
Yeah its something all right. Its what we call a rip-off.
I have heard that Sanjay Gupta is famous for replicating foreign movies. What is pretty pathetic is that Indians who have never seen Oldboy will probably eat Zinda up and think that Mr. Gupta has such a great vision with this film. Well, you heard it here first, this is an Oldboy rip-off.
A law-suit is already under consideration by Show East, the company that produced Oldboy. They say that they notice how similar Zinda is to Oldboy but they will have to see a finished copy of the movie to decide. The only rights they sold for Oldboy were to Universal in the U.S.
Everyone see for yourself. Just look at the trailers for each movie and tell me that Zinda is not an Oldoy rip-off:
Oldboy Trailer
Zinda Trailer
Notice how the main character in Zinda escapes from a big suitcase just like main character in Oldboy. Even the narration is the same for both movies, "taken without warning. Held without reason." Sanjay Gupta didn't even try to make it look original. The scene at the very beginning of the Zinda trailer where he is talking to the man through the hole in the bottom of the door, that is the EXACT scene from Oldboy. The scene where the main character in Zinda is being dragged away on a sheet of plastic while blood is pouring out, that is the EXACT scene from Oldboy.
And to put it bluntly, Chanwook Park is a far better director than Sanjay Gupta. Both the Indian and U.S. remakes of Oldboy will not be nearly as good as the original.
I have heard that Sanjay Gupta is famous for replicating foreign movies. What is pretty pathetic is that Indians who have never seen Oldboy will probably eat Zinda up and think that Mr. Gupta has such a great vision with this film. Well, you heard it here first, this is an Oldboy rip-off.
A law-suit is already under consideration by Show East, the company that produced Oldboy. They say that they notice how similar Zinda is to Oldboy but they will have to see a finished copy of the movie to decide. The only rights they sold for Oldboy were to Universal in the U.S.
Everyone see for yourself. Just look at the trailers for each movie and tell me that Zinda is not an Oldoy rip-off:
Oldboy Trailer
Zinda Trailer
Notice how the main character in Zinda escapes from a big suitcase just like main character in Oldboy. Even the narration is the same for both movies, "taken without warning. Held without reason." Sanjay Gupta didn't even try to make it look original. The scene at the very beginning of the Zinda trailer where he is talking to the man through the hole in the bottom of the door, that is the EXACT scene from Oldboy. The scene where the main character in Zinda is being dragged away on a sheet of plastic while blood is pouring out, that is the EXACT scene from Oldboy.
And to put it bluntly, Chanwook Park is a far better director than Sanjay Gupta. Both the Indian and U.S. remakes of Oldboy will not be nearly as good as the original.
I totally agree. It's just lame how Sanjay Gupta is ripping off other movies and can never come up with his own ideas. From what I heard, he's already ripped-off a number of Hollywood movies, and now he's decided to move on to Korean movies... but there are a lot of other "Bollywood" directors that also rip-off other movies, and for some reason they think it's OK.
Anyway, Oldboy looks like an interesting movie, so I'm definately going to watch it (with subtitles obviously). Although I haven't seen it yet, all I do know is that the original version is ALWAYS better than the copies, so I'd rather watch the original version first before watching the copies, rather than ruining the experience of watching the original. So I'm definately watching Oldboy before the Hollywood/Bollywood remakes.
The problem is the majority of South Asians don't watch East Asian films and are (for lack of a better word) ignorant towards movies from the Far East... but then again, I'm sure East Asians stereotype Indian movies. I personally like watching movies from many different Asian countries, so I don't really care what country a movie is from as long as its good.
As for Zinda, since it's an Indian movie, I get the feeling its going to have songs in it, which I usually find distracting when watching serious Indian movies. I might be wrong though.
Speaking of rip-offs, Hollywood is going to create a US version of Munna Bhai M.B.B.S and they are going to call it "Gangsta MD" starring Chris Rock.......
Gangsta M.D. is going to be directed by Mira Nair. Another copy but this time to cash-in on the Hollywood market... I thought the original Munna Bhai M.B.B.S was a really funny movie though.
I heard there's also going to be a Hollywood remake of Aankhen (which was also very good) after they licensed it. I'm glad I watched the original versions first.
It's quite rare that Hollywood copies Indian movies... but you know the Hollywood remakes are always going to make more cash than the originals.
I heard there's also going to be a Hollywood remake of Aankhen (which was also very good) after they licensed it. I'm glad I watched the original versions first.
It's quite rare that Hollywood copies Indian movies... but you know the Hollywood remakes are always going to make more cash than the originals.
Indded it's frame to frame to copy of Old boy. "Mumbai mirror" had article about it and accused Sanjay Gupta for ripping of good korean movie scene by scene. They also published few snaps of the scene directly lifted.
That shameless fellow next day wrote a letter to newspaper and denied all the charges and threatened to sue them as DVD of zinda is not yet released. Hence for publishing that article, journalist had used pirated cd which is against law.
That shameless fellow next day wrote a letter to newspaper and denied all the charges and threatened to sue them as DVD of zinda is not yet released. Hence for publishing that article, journalist had used pirated cd which is against law.
This film caught my eye lately and I must say that I am a little worried.
I'm a huge fan of Oldboy, which I consider an all time classic, and from what I see, this is pretty much the same with Indian actors, with a few things changed (key elements) to pass the censors.
Now although I'm Indian, I'm actually quite critical of Bollywood, as the films are often like this simply remaking other films or they seem to lack real orginality and always need to be musicals, despite the tone of the film.
The fact is this bothers me as there are actually some really talented filmakers in India, whose creative ability is often limited due to censorship or the production companies. The East Asian film market (which I'm a big fan of) doesn't place so many restrictions, which is why we're often seeing original and often stunning films coming from there.
Sarkar has also recently got my interest and though I've only seen a little of it so far, it seems to be one of Bollywood's more original films (correct me if I'm wrong) and one of the best in a while.
I hope this film does Chan Wook Park's classic justice and that the original gains greater interest after people see this.
I'm a huge fan of Oldboy, which I consider an all time classic, and from what I see, this is pretty much the same with Indian actors, with a few things changed (key elements) to pass the censors.
Now although I'm Indian, I'm actually quite critical of Bollywood, as the films are often like this simply remaking other films or they seem to lack real orginality and always need to be musicals, despite the tone of the film.
The fact is this bothers me as there are actually some really talented filmakers in India, whose creative ability is often limited due to censorship or the production companies. The East Asian film market (which I'm a big fan of) doesn't place so many restrictions, which is why we're often seeing original and often stunning films coming from there.
Sarkar has also recently got my interest and though I've only seen a little of it so far, it seems to be one of Bollywood's more original films (correct me if I'm wrong) and one of the best in a while.
I hope this film does Chan Wook Park's classic justice and that the original gains greater interest after people see this.
QUOTE(ACMILAN1983 @ Jan 19 2006, 02:02 PM)
Sarkar has also recently got my interest and though I've only seen a little of it so far, it seems to be one of Bollywood's more original films (correct me if I'm wrong) and one of the best in a while.
Sarkar is a remake of Godfather, so it's not really an original movie. All of Ram Gopal Varma's earlier movies were innovative movies, so it's unusual for him to make a remake all of a sudden. It's not that good in my opinion though. His earlier films Satya and Company were far more original and much better movies.
QUOTE(ACMILAN1983 @ Jan 19 2006, 09:02 AM)
This film caught my eye lately and I must say that I am a little worried.
I'm a huge fan of Oldboy, which I consider an all time classic, and from what I see, this is pretty much the same with Indian actors, with a few things changed (key elements) to pass the censors.
Now although I'm Indian, I'm actually quite critical of Bollywood, as the films are often like this simply remaking other films or they seem to lack real orginality and always need to be musicals, despite the tone of the film.
I'm a huge fan of Oldboy, which I consider an all time classic, and from what I see, this is pretty much the same with Indian actors, with a few things changed (key elements) to pass the censors.
Now although I'm Indian, I'm actually quite critical of Bollywood, as the films are often like this simply remaking other films or they seem to lack real orginality and always need to be musicals, despite the tone of the film.
Yeah me too many Indian remakes lack originality and some pointless dancing reducing the films credibility to draw the audiences attention.
The way I see it. Most Hindi (note Hindi NOT Indian films since there are many languages in India!) try to do something different and when it's done - it's "inspired" or "borrowed" from Hollywood or other foreign films. Before Hindi films were mostly romantic or love but then in the past decade, they got snubbed for not being different so when it comes to different, it's being called a remake.
If Indian films really can't draw attention to audiences then why do so many people of all nationality watch it?? Maybe not the people on this board but you should go visit http://bollywhat.com/forum - it's a board/website started by a white American student and 95% of the people on that board are non desi. I'm a member there too. My username there is ApunBindaas.
If Indian films really can't draw attention to audiences then why do so many people of all nationality watch it?? Maybe not the people on this board but you should go visit http://bollywhat.com/forum - it's a board/website started by a white American student and 95% of the people on that board are non desi. I'm a member there too. My username there is ApunBindaas.
^ A Bollywood forum with very few Indians? That's quite odd.
Indian movies sell 3.6 billion tickets annually (mostly in the Third World). In comparison, American movies sell 2.6 billion tickets annually. The Indian film industry is indeed the most popular film industry in the world, but in technical terms Bollywood is inferior. Most Indian movies are unoriginal, in the sense that they either follow the same old cliches, or that they produce numerous unofficial remakes.
This is quite different to how it was in the 50s and 60s, when film-makers like Satyajit Ray would make genuinely innovative movies. Some Indian film-makers still do produce some original movies every year but only a few of those movies become successful. This is one of the reasons that hinder Indian producers from trying out something new (that's not a remake).
Indian movies sell 3.6 billion tickets annually (mostly in the Third World). In comparison, American movies sell 2.6 billion tickets annually. The Indian film industry is indeed the most popular film industry in the world, but in technical terms Bollywood is inferior. Most Indian movies are unoriginal, in the sense that they either follow the same old cliches, or that they produce numerous unofficial remakes.
This is quite different to how it was in the 50s and 60s, when film-makers like Satyajit Ray would make genuinely innovative movies. Some Indian film-makers still do produce some original movies every year but only a few of those movies become successful. This is one of the reasons that hinder Indian producers from trying out something new (that's not a remake).
QUOTE(Jagger @ Jan 20 2006, 03:04 PM)
Most Indian movies are unoriginal, in the sense that they either follow the same old cliches, or that they produce numerous unofficial remakes.
I've noticed that Hollywood is sinking in almost the same way. Due to a lack of original ideas, Hollywood producers have reverted to re-making classical movies and or franchises into new movies. In the last 5 years, I have noticed the following movies are remakes of older shows/movies/etc.......
- Ocean's Eleven
- Dukes of Hazzard
- Starsky and Hutch
- Chronicles of Narnia
- LOTR series
- Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
- The Punisher
- Fantastic Four
Just to name a few.
QUOTE(Jagger @ Jan 20 2006, 07:04 PM)
^ A Bollywood forum with very few Indians? That's quite odd.
Why don't you check out the forum. It's one of the best forums I've ever been on. Very well written language and very professional.
Jagger,
Let us know when you see Oldboy and what you think about it. I already found out the ending to Zinda. It is not the same. Zinda's ending is disney compared to Oldboy.
Let us know when you see Oldboy and what you think about it. I already found out the ending to Zinda. It is not the same. Zinda's ending is disney compared to Oldboy.
QUOTE(ACMILAN1983 @ Jan 19 2006, 09:02 AM)
This film caught my eye lately and I must say that I am a little worried.
I'm a huge fan of Oldboy, which I consider an all time classic, and from what I see, this is pretty much the same with Indian actors, with a few things changed (key elements) to pass the censors.
Now although I'm Indian, I'm actually quite critical of Bollywood, as the films are often like this simply remaking other films or they seem to lack real orginality and always need to be musicals, despite the tone of the film.
The fact is this bothers me as there are actually some really talented filmakers in India, whose creative ability is often limited due to censorship or the production companies. The East Asian film market (which I'm a big fan of) doesn't place so many restrictions, which is why we're often seeing original and often stunning films coming from there.
Sarkar has also recently got my interest and though I've only seen a little of it so far, it seems to be one of Bollywood's more original films (correct me if I'm wrong) and one of the best in a while.
I hope this film does Chan Wook Park's classic justice and that the original gains greater interest after people see this.
I'm a huge fan of Oldboy, which I consider an all time classic, and from what I see, this is pretty much the same with Indian actors, with a few things changed (key elements) to pass the censors.
Now although I'm Indian, I'm actually quite critical of Bollywood, as the films are often like this simply remaking other films or they seem to lack real orginality and always need to be musicals, despite the tone of the film.
The fact is this bothers me as there are actually some really talented filmakers in India, whose creative ability is often limited due to censorship or the production companies. The East Asian film market (which I'm a big fan of) doesn't place so many restrictions, which is why we're often seeing original and often stunning films coming from there.
Sarkar has also recently got my interest and though I've only seen a little of it so far, it seems to be one of Bollywood's more original films (correct me if I'm wrong) and one of the best in a while.
I hope this film does Chan Wook Park's classic justice and that the original gains greater interest after people see this.
you guys have to check out....these original bollywood dramas
'teen deewarein'
'road to ladakh'
'D company'
'chokher bali'
'raincoat'
'yuva'
'khamosh pani'
'the warrior'
the producers of oldboy wants to sue the producers of zinda....
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