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risip
QUOTE (skepticguy @ Jan 18 2006, 06:57 PM)
So it's ok for Christians to usurp pagan traditions but not the other way around?
Here's a crash course, explaining why so many movies today seem to be following a very familiar and popular forumula: A Practical Guide to The Hero With a Thousand Faces
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I won't call it usurping... Early Christians adapted - to survive because of persecution. It's a disguise.

Religion morph through time and culture. So Religion, like all other concepts, are not absolute but deeply ingrained through other aspects of the individual and society. It's even a tell-tale sign of history.

You have done very well pointing out Religion flaws, from your previous posts - that I must admit. But disregarding it to the point of imploring leaving Religion out of people's lives is another. Practicing belief or worship of God (or any other God/s) is a basic human right. It could be outdated - I don't know. But everyone's got their own opinion shaped by history and politics in favor to the powerful with spoils to the most charismatic gentleman.

If you ask me, society could exist without God (or a God or gods)? Could be. But if you're living during the early times, can you tell that to your tribesmen? How will you explain the forces of nature and the sign of times? How will you lead your people with your limited knowledge of the still unknown?


( Talktohand.gif seriously, I have respect for intellectual individuals like you skepticguy; but, I must tell you frankly why these debates keep going on and on - you lack enough charisma, ! biggthumpup.gif Work on it. He he he)
Bixie
QUOTE (ATL.com @ Jan 18 2006, 07:43 PM)
YEA YEA YEA.....your catholic...skeptic's atheist let's just get down to the real reason we're in this topic
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LOL!
susan12
God! Please help me ! Tell me whether you are existing or not?!!!! confused.gif

I got headache to figure it out ! icon_confused.gif



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God
Did someone say my name?
susan12
hey you are so sexy ? [SIZE=7]Is she really you ?[/SIZE] cool30.gif biggthumpup.gif

Definitely, she is created by GOD!!!! biggrin.gif
susan12
QUOTE (God @ Jan 18 2006, 08:02 PM)
Did someone say my name?
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Yeap GOD! WE did. We are so confused whether you are really existed in this world.

Hey God!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you really here in our universe???
susan12
QUOTE (shiro @ Jan 18 2006, 12:13 PM)
According to who?
Break the circle.
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Hehe,,, Buddha biggthumpup.gif
susan12
QUOTE (risip @ Jan 18 2006, 07:44 PM)
I won't call it usurping... Early Christians adapted - to survive because of persecution.  It's a disguise. 

Religion morph through time and culture.  So Religion, like all other concepts, are not absolute but deeply ingrained through other aspects of the individual and society.  It's even a tell-tale sign of history.

You have done very well pointing out Religion flaws, from your previous posts - that I must admit.  But disregarding it to the point of imploring leaving Religion out of people's lives is another.  Practicing belief or worship of God (or any other God/s) is a basic human right.  It could be outdated - I don't know.  But everyone's got their own opinion shaped by history and politics in favor to the powerful with spoils to the most charismatic gentleman.

If you ask me, society could exist without God (or a God or gods)?  Could be.  But if you're living during the early times, can you tell that to your tribesmen?  How will you explain the forces of nature and the sign of times?  How will you lead your people with your limited knowledge of the still unknown? 


( Talktohand.gif  seriously, I have respect for intellectual individuals like you skepticguy; but, I must tell you frankly why these debates keep going on and on - you lack enough charisma, !  biggthumpup.gif Work on it.  He he he)
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"can you tell that to your tribesmen? How will you explain the forces of nature and the sign of times? How will you lead your people with your limited knowledge of the still unknown? "

Yeap , to me this is a logical explanation of the cause of the God's existence in our world during early civilzation.

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susan12
QUOTE (ATL.com @ Jan 18 2006, 07:43 PM)
YEA YEA YEA.....your catholic...skeptic's atheist let's just get down to the real reason we're in this topic
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Ask God. He knows it all.
Don't forget to call me. I am waiting for you...... embarassedlaugh.gif2
God
QUOTE (susan12 @ Jan 18 2006, 08:07 PM)
Yeap GOD! WE did. We are so confused whether you are really existed in this world.

Hey God!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you really here in our universe???
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You just have to know it all, don't you?

I'm always glad to reveal the secrets of the universe to you poor mortals. It's not as easy as it seems, you see. 'Cuz I always like to tell each person a different story and then watch them kill each other over it.

You will have to understand. Watching the damned being tortured sometimes gets distasteful--Don't judge me. You'd know how I feel if you'd been watching unattractive 60 years-olds getting fried for 6000 years.

As to your question, do I exist in this universe? It is indeed an intricate question, the answer of which is too great to be conceived by mortals. That's why you need prophets, you know.

We just moved to Texas.
susan12
QUOTE (God @ Jan 18 2006, 08:27 PM)
You just have to know it all, don't you?

I'm always glad to reveal the secrets of the universe to you poor mortals. It's not as easy as it seems, you see. 'Cuz I always like to tell each person a different story and then watch them kill each other over it.

You will have to understand. Watching the damned being tortured sometimes gets distasteful--Don't judge me. You'd know how I feel if you'd been watching unattractive 60 years-olds getting fried for 6000 years.

As to your question, do I exist in this universe? It is indeed an intricate question, the answer of which is too great to be conceived by mortals. That's why you need prophets, you know.

We just moved to Texas.
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Oh God!
" It is too great to be conveived by mortal !" That is the standard answer your followers ( Catholic priests and nuns) answer us when we raise any question that they can't reply us logically. cool30.gif

God! seriously, how do you look like? Huge or small? Handsome or not handsome?
I want to know.

Texas sounds great! Are you him????? biggrin.gif
susan12
To me Vatican is the mighty God in our world!


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UN ASKED TO INTERVENE IN VATICAN COVER UP
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Catholics Urge U.N. to Push Vatican on Sex Scandal
Tue Oct 8, 9:57 AM ET
By Shasta Darlington

ROME (Reuters) - A coalition of Catholic groups and victims of abuse by clergy unveiled a report Tuesday that accused the Vatican (news - web sites) of trying to hide widespread child sex abuse scandals and called on the United Nations (news - web sites) to step in.

"There has been cover-up and collusion not only on the part of the bishops but by the Vatican," said Frances Kissling, president of U.S.-based Catholics for a Free Choice, which spearheaded the research.

"This report shows that sexual abuse in the Catholic church is not an American crisis, it is a global crisis," she said.
God
QUOTE (susan12 @ Jan 18 2006, 08:36 PM)
Oh God!
That is the standard answer your followers ( Catholic priests and nuns) answer us when we raise any question that they can't reply us logicallycool30.gif


Well, ignorance is bliss...especially if you are the beneficiary of other people's ignorance.

Take the God-friendly, worker-hostile Tyson Foods for example:
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GOD AND CHICKENS: Tyson Foods Sells Religion to Cover Up Its Dirty Doings

Ad Age reports today that the giant international mega-conglomerate Tyson Foods -- twice as large as any competitor in the meat-and-chicken industry -- is now trying to sell God along with its chickens, beef, and pre-prepared frozen meals. Tyson is distributing "mealtime prayer booklets" for a variety of faiths all over the world.

"What started out as the internal manifestation of Tyson’s mission statement -- a set of core values that includes 'striving to be a faith-friendly company…and to honor God…' -- has over the last few years morphed into placing 128 part-time chaplains in 78 plants across the country and, now, the external marketing initiative to play a part in mealtime prayer." Tyson's chairman, born-again John Tyson, Ad Age notes, is a sometime drug addict and alcoholic.

All this godbothering is, of course, designed to cover up Tyson's dirty record as a rapacious, union-busting, exploitative corporation that endangers the lives of its workers, exploits immigrant labor, and doesn't stop at utilizing violence and fraud to achieve its reactionary goals. Blood, Sweat and Fear, a recent report by Human Rights Watch, condemned Tyson for violating the basic human rights of its workers by allowing unsafe working conditions at many of its production facilities and using illegal means to stop their joining unions: Tyson workers "contend with conditions, vulnerabilities, and abuses which violate human rights," said the January, 2005 HRW report.


A model for all good Christians, don’t you think? Spreading the gospels while making good use of the slaves.

But, like one of my faithful supporters here (whose cheerful presence brings true joy to every corner of my heart) mentioned, suffering is a part of life…So, I’m officially off the hook.

Now you know why I like my believers so much? They make my life such a breeze even when I make Hell on earth.

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God! seriously, how do you look like? Huge or small? Handsome or not handsome?
I want to know.

Hey I’m conscious about my weight.
TVBaddict69
Because God is a He, not She
susan12
QUOTE (TVBaddict69 @ Jan 18 2006, 09:26 PM)
Because God is a He, not She
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hey, don't you know God can be anyone!
reasons:
1. God is mighty.
2. Vatican and the Catholic priests

embarassedlaugh.gif2 If Vatican like, it can announce God is a woman..... biggthumpup.gif and ppl all over the world will believe icon_wink.gif
sweetntwisted
GOD is too fu-king ugly inside and out to be a woman icon_wink.gif

OMG god is here eek.gif

*runs and hides*
susan12
QUOTE (God @ Jan 18 2006, 09:22 PM)
Well, ignorance is bliss...especially if you are the beneficiary of other people's ignorance.

Take the God-friendly, worker-hostile Tyson Foods for example:
A model for all good Christians, don’t you think? Spreading the gospels while making good use of the slaves.

But, like one of my faithful supporters here (whose cheerful presence brings true joy to every corner of my heart) mentioned, suffering is a part of life…So, I’m officially off the hook.

Now you know why I like my believers so much? They make my life such a breeze even when I make Hell on earth.
Hey I’m conscious about my weight.
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"A model for all good Christians, don’t you think? "

Yeap!

"Now you know why I like my believers so much? They make my life such a breeze even when I make Hell on earth."

I don't know why people become more and more stupid! Suppose civilization bring ppl smarter in judgement! But sounds like going to the opposite. icon_sad.gif


"Hey I’m conscious about my weight."


Hey God, I donate the money to you for helping the poor people. Honestly, I don't have the money too.
God, Please don't spend too much donation money for your own personal comfort! eek.gif
susan12
QUOTE (sweetntwisted @ Jan 19 2006, 04:48 AM)
GOD is too fu-king ugly inside and out to be a woman icon_wink.gif

OMG god is here  eek.gif

*runs and hides*
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icon_wink.gif Can't run , we have to obey God! Otherwise we will be in deep trouble. God will use his mighty power to punish us even though we are right he is wrong. NO... No... No... God is the people who decide right or wrong.
God and Vatican say Catholic priests sexual abused Children all over the world is right so keep silent and keep cover them up. embarassedlaugh.gif2
sweetntwisted
^LoL I like your humor, embarassedlaugh.gif
hey, let's ask god what he thinks about priests sexually abusing children.

Where is the old fat guy when you need him??
*Looks around*

:Yells:
HEYYYYY GOD!!!

Oh yea, I forgot, he doesn't exist. bawling.gif
Calista B
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susan12
QUOTE (sweetntwisted @ Jan 19 2006, 04:48 AM)
GOD is too fu-king ugly inside and out to be a woman icon_wink.gif

OMG god is here  eek.gif

*runs and hides*
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I used to see some post regarding to the bad behavior of this sick priest in the chat board ( can't locate it again at this moment).

The message said that this priest beside like woman also spending church money in drinking and luxury eating.
To finish people scandal, this priest is going to launch a book about how right for the priest and nuns drinking since the ancient time till now.

May be next time, he will launch a book call " the children seuxal absed joy by Roman Catholic priest" to tell the world that it is right to abuse little children biggrin.gif

Take a look this priest link:
http://www.op.org/international/english/Do...ay_drinking.htm
susan12
QUOTE (sweetntwisted @ Jan 19 2006, 04:48 AM)
GOD is too fu-king ugly inside and out to be a woman icon_wink.gif

OMG god is here  eek.gif

*runs and hides*
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I used to see some post regarding to the bad behavior of this sick priest in the chat board ( can't locate it again at this moment).

The message said that this priest beside like woman also spending church money in drinking and luxury eating.
To finish people scandal, this priest is going to launch a book about how right for the priest and nuns drinking since the ancient time till now.

May be next time, he will launch a book call " the children seuxal abused joy by Roman Catholic priest" to tell the world that it is right to abuse little children biggrin.gif

Take a look this priest link:
http://www.op.org/international/english/Do...ay_drinking.htm
susan12
QUOTE (Calista B @ Jan 19 2006, 05:05 AM)
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hi, Does God exist in the Netherland??? cool30.gif
Calista B
In the Netherlands there are many religions and a lot of people believing in it. But i'm not one of them biggrin.gif
susan12
QUOTE (sweetntwisted @ Jan 19 2006, 05:01 AM)
^LoL I like your humor, embarassedlaugh.gif
hey, let's ask god what he thinks about priests sexually abusing children.

Where is the old fat guy when you need him??
*Looks around*

:Yells:
HEYYYYY GOD!!!

Oh yea, I forgot, he doesn't exist.  bawling.gif
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susan12
QUOTE (Calista B @ Jan 19 2006, 05:35 AM)
In the Netherlands there are many religions and a lot of people believing in it. But i'm not one of them biggrin.gif
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embarassedlaugh.gif2 Honestly, I was a stupid believe of Catholic Religion too. After learning that those sick Catholic priests behavior to the Children, I quit.
I was fool by this religion long enough. Donate quite a lot of money for them to sexual abuse Children and enjoying life.
No more ...... icon_wink.gif
skepticguy
QUOTE (risip @ Jan 18 2006, 07:44 PM)
seriously, I have respect for intellectual individuals like you skepticguy; but, I must tell you frankly why these debates keep going on and on - you lack enough charisma, !  biggthumpup.gif Work on it.  He he he)
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Charisma? Dude, I ooze charisma! I rolled an 18!!
susan12
QUOTE (skepticguy @ Jan 19 2006, 08:36 AM)
Charisma? Dude, I ooze charisma! I rolled an 18!!
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ClearBlueWater
people who practice a religion are not a direct reflection of the religion itself, remember that. bad people come in every religion.
freefallz
Though sometimes it's the people that matters, not the idea. Because to non-believers, there wasn't any great deal of respect for the idea anyway. It would all seem alien to most atheists.
susan12
"people who practice a religion are not a direct reflection of the religion itself, remember that. bad people come in every religion."


biggthumpup.gif I agree with you completely. It is seldomly the case that good religious people exist according to the orginal teaching.
May be to me, I think, Dalai Lama so far is the only one at this moment.

lol...
To myself, seems funny , from Catholic shift to Buddism. But the only reason because I think the concept of the buddism is realistic.
People told me Buddism is " the way of life" . I think so too.

The idea is good and have a goodness symbol like Dalai Lama.

Anyway, I am still new to Buddism. I see it as a way of life than regard it as a religion. beerchug.gif
k3n5i
QUOTE (ClearBlueWater @ Jan 20 2006, 10:21 AM)
people who practice a religion are not a direct reflection of the religion itself, remember that. bad people come in every religion.
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as i said, no one is perfect.... unless someone in another religion says they are...
susan12
QUOTE (freefallz @ Jan 20 2006, 09:30 AM)
Though sometimes it's the people that matters, not the idea. Because to non-believers, there wasn't any great deal of respect for the idea anyway. It would all seem alien to most atheists.
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As knowledge grow, I believe in Science more as this current moment.
Religion, so how so bias.
susan12
"as i said, no one is perfect.... unless someone in another religion says they are..."

You are absolutely right! biggthumpup.gif
sweetntwisted
QUOTE (susan12 @ Jan 20 2006, 06:53 PM)
Anyway, I am still new to Buddism. I see it as a way of life than regard it as a religion. beerchug.gif
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same here
Jaimu-Jaimu
Agreed. Buddhism isn't a religion. icon_redface.gif
ZamienTran
Hey SUSAN12, were you molested by the Catholic priest? Why you hate God so much? Oh wait, you don't believe in the existence of God, the "Catholic" God. I'd like to share with you a pix from one of your clowns. I think it's hella funny.



Thanks to the Bloody boy, Red$hitOverChina for this pix! embarassedlaugh.gif2 embarassedlaugh.gif2 embarassedlaugh.gif2
sweetntwisted
QUOTE (ZamienTran @ Jan 24 2006, 03:04 PM)
Hey SUSAN12, were you molested by the Catholic priest? Why you hate God so much? 
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Aren't you supposed to be morally superior to atheists since you've converted to this great religion of yours?? embarassedlaugh.gif2 WTF is wrong with you?
Susan's just expressing her opinions about religion but you're insulting her
How is that being a good christian? Is it ok to be an @$$hole as long as you're a christian?

BTW can you tell me why you converted? I'm not trying to insult you this time...just curious why some people do it, that's all. icon_neutral.gif
Digital Insanity
Yes, people, I too am Roman Catholic, just on the verge of leaving the church.

Here are the following reasons why (to say the very least):

--the Holy Crusades

--the Inquisitions

--the genocide of Native Americans

--anti-Semitism (to the point that it became a European tradition -- my source was my Irish former World History teacher)

...and, of course, this guy (and even his associates) happened to be one of us:









Source: http://emperors-clothes.com/vatican/cpix.htm

...and that's the damn truth.
ATL.com
QUOTE (ZamienTran @ Jan 25 2006, 08:04 AM)
Hey SUSAN12, were you molested by the Catholic priest? Why you hate God so much?  Oh wait, you don't believe in the existence of God, the "Catholic" God. I'd like to share with you a pix from one of your clowns. I think it's hella funny.



Thanks to the Bloody boy, Red$hitOverChina for this pix! embarassedlaugh.gifembarassedlaugh.gifembarassedlaugh.gif2
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So Zamien do you believe that the Catholic, Christian, Islamic, and Jewish God are all different or the same.
risip
QUOTE (Digital Insanity @ Jan 24 2006, 04:31 PM)
Yes, people, I too am Roman Catholic, just on the verge of leaving the church.

Here are the following reasons why (to say the very least):

--the Holy Crusades

--the Inquisitions

--the genocide of Native Americans

--anti-Semitism (to the point that it became a European tradition -- my source was my Irish former World History teacher)

...and, of course, this guy (and even his associates) happened to be one of us:

...and that's the damn truth.
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Tell me, are you leaving the church because of the institution or because of the ideal of Roman Catholicism?
Digital Insanity
QUOTE (risip @ Jan 24 2006, 01:55 PM)
Tell me, are you  leaving the church because of the institution or because of the ideal of Roman Catholicism?
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Most likely the institution.

In case you people didn't listen to me:

HITLER IS ROMAN CATHOLIC!
risip
QUOTE (Digital Insanity @ Jan 24 2006, 04:57 PM)
Most likely the institution.

In case you people didn't listen to me:

HITLER IS ROMAN CATHOLIC!
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Well... not all Roman Catholics are Hitlers either...
ATL.com
QUOTE (risip @ Jan 25 2006, 09:59 AM)
Well... not all Roman Catholics are Hitlers either...
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he has a good point. you shouldn't leave your religious beliefs because some nutcase started a war in the name of your religion or because an even bigger nutcase who murdered innocent people had the supposed 'same beliefs' as you. because if they actually DID have the same beliefs as you then those wars and murders wouldn't have happened now would they???

believe me i'm a muslim an their is no way i would give up my religion just because some turban wearing nut decides to crash a plane into the TT's. it's the same scenario as the Crusades, some guy starts a war in the guise of 'religion' an everybody in that religion has to suffer for it.
Jaimu-Jaimu
You're a smart guy ATL...just thought I'd say that. icon_redface.gif
ATL.com
QUOTE (Jaimu-Jaimu @ Jan 25 2006, 10:25 AM)
You're a smart guy ATL...just thought I'd say that. icon_redface.gif
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Thanks dude i was starting to think everybody on here hated me or something. beerchug.gif
skepticguy
QUOTE (ATL.com @ Jan 24 2006, 05:27 PM)
Thanks dude i was starting to think everybody on here hated me or something.  beerchug.gif
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Say what??? Me? Hate you?
ATL.com
QUOTE (skepticguy @ Jan 25 2006, 10:31 AM)
Say what??? Me? Hate you?
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well your an atheist so according to occam's razor you hating me doesn't exist only hating exists. embarassedlaugh.gif2 embarassedlaugh.gif2
bisaya
QUOTE (Digital Insanity @ Jan 25 2006, 05:57 AM)
Most likely the institution.

In case you people didn't listen to me:

HITLER IS ROMAN CATHOLIC!


then all christians should stop being christians because judas is one of the twelve apostles. no need look at the other 11. one member is enough to convict the entire gang. that's great! let's kill every religion in this manner. all you need to do is look for one evil member and "voila".
Digital Insanity
QUOTE (bisaya @ Jan 24 2006, 08:02 PM)
then all christians should stop being christians because judas is one of the twelve apostles. no need look at the other 11. one member is enough to convict the entire gang. that's great! let's kill every religion in this manner. all you need to do is look for one evil member and "voila".
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NEIN, NEIN, NEIN, NEIN! madgo.gif

http://www.reformation.org/inquisit.html

Answer my god-damn Q:

Why the fuck was it that Hitler was NEVER excommunicated to begin with, yet, on the other hand, Martin Luther, got so, when he translated the Bible into German?
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