My family came back from Laos not too long ago and shared many great stories of the motherland. One of the story they told me was about how some Thais came to Laos and bought Lao fabrics and went back home to Thailand and had it copyright and then callin it a Thai frabric. When will it stop...

what were the fabrics?

I think the fabrics were like traditional Lao clothing that Lao women wear. You know, the ones you see Lao women wear to Wat and stuff.

sinh

but i thought thai people wear these too?

I don't know if it was the Sinh or not, but the Thai stole the style/design of our fabric and made it into their style.

these ones?



i get u now, so basically they took our style/design and called it thai? this must of been a long time ago then

Yeah, something like that. I don't think it was that long ago. I hope they don't copy BeerLao and call it BeerThai.

How sure that u use d word Stole is it too much? Should I claim that some Laotian who open Thai restaurant steal Thai recipes?
Ofcause I won't do That cuz I consider Laos people is Thai Blood brother.

Thai people in Chiangmai or Lanna wearing these too ,and it would look similar or it is d same style ,but not thing wrong for Thai to do it coppy right ,cuz it also Thai stuffs. We are just do it before u guys dude

I am just sharing a story.

Thai stole a lot of stuff apparently. From Khmer they took architechture, dance, and fighting and from Lao took clothes and religion. Iguess its kinda understandible though..maybe they needed new things to strengthen their kingdom and couldnt think of things themselves...?
I don't think Indians came to Siam and influenced them directly. I could be wrong though.

I do know that Thais took to Hinduism fondly..just as fondly as Khmer did, if not more.

in the serious talk section 2

I'm willing to bet if the Khmer had still adopted Hinduism back then and never change its religion, Lao and Thai would be practicing Hindusim today. 2

Careful on d word stole dude We Adopt dude not stole ,after we adapt d culture we adapt it again. And don't forget that Thai is adopt mon culture as well perhaps more than Khmae culture.
any way u guys already blame us that we stole many things from Khmer ,how about tranny why u not claim that we steal d tranny trend from Khmae 2

Stealing is basically knowing it's not your own work but you claim yourself as the sole originator or inventor of it intentionally. If "A" went to another person and says "Hey, check out this fabrics design!" then "B" says, "Wow! Did ya created it yourself?" and if A says "Heck Ya!" as if it's his/her own work without permission, then that's stealing - claiming the work/ownership that did not belong to the original producer/maker. However, as long as proper credit is given to the original inventor or designer, that's all fair and square. Is that not how human culture learn from one another to progress? It depends on what being copy/modify as well, to a degree that it's original work. That's the issue Lao/Khmer had with Thailand historically I suppose.

But is there such thing as getting a patent for fabric design or invention and copyright laws regarding these cases today in Laos/Thailand? Is there a court system in Laos? I do not know how such matters are handle, aside from just generations of endless ethnic bickering.

If this incident is very common, where Thai are copying this design from Lao and calling it Thai frabric, a way to stop or discourage is to pull a master-plan trick, by designing some faux frabic design specifically for Thai to copy (if they choose to). This "faux design" will have some hidden layer of symbols or design in such a way that it reveals a secret message when decoded. The decoded secret message can be something along the line of "Originated by Lao, stolen by Thai." Those who copyright the particular Lao design as Thai fabric and try to market it to the masses in public will come in for a big surprise and embarassment in future of their so-called Thai frabric once the "secret message" is truly reveal and expose....lol....j/k.

Laos is too poor to do anything, Zelnom. It's not just fabric, it's more than that. I read somewhere that the Thais are even trying to put a patent on Jasmine Rice so that other countries in South East Asia cannot grow it or sell it.

That sucks. The Thais stole everything from Cambodia and Laos. They should stop doing that.

The Thais were never Hindus.

Any Hindu influence in Thai culture did not come first hand from India. It cam second hand from the former overlords.

The Khmers Have that kind of Fabric and style too, and WE KNOW IT CAME FROM LAOS. Its even document in Khmer Texts.

How come they had Brahmin then?Infact, Thai Brahmin were one of the first people to adapt western style clothing for their robes. I'll cite the book when I get it tommorow.

thai stealing things from laos?? 2

how many laotians living in Thailand? probably more laotians living in thailand than in lao.

this thread is funny.

We are not talking about Thai Issan(or Lao Issan) in Thailand. We are talking about Lao culture here. It might be funny to you, but not to me. Laos is being exploited and that's wrong. No country deserves to be taken advantage of.

very sorry if I missunderstood you
maybe i wasn't being serious/clear enough when I said

i was trying to say that country like thailand where situated among many civilized nations and has people from many great cultures and ethnics

you was saying that thai "stole" things from lao, I think you were wrong

because from my own experience i know for a fact that when siam fighting with her neighbors,if win siam taking the prisoner of war back to her capital

there were many wars between siam and neighbors

the prisoners brought their culture with them

that one thing

a very large part of thailand used to belong to lao

lao people still living there , practicing their culture there and now living everywhere in thailand

that one thing

correction
Thai = Hindus...Yes
Tai = Hindus...No

this is interesting

Think about this way, little.

What if a kid stole your box of crayons in kindergarten and use the crayons to draw a cool picture (your idea) and then recieve all credit for it from the teacher? 2

well, i thought about it

i kindda understand how you guys feel

i did some research and found that there are quite a few stuff that has "thai" in its title and neighbors have that similar products/culture/whatever too

i dont understand why thais did like that

there must be an explaination

It all comes down to marketing your products. If Laos had the opportunity and the means to do so, then they would do the same as Thailand. Take muay thai for instance. Many claim its origin from Cambodia, but Khmers have not the chance to promote it due to warfare and poverty giving Thailand the upper hand to promote it as their own. Sadly, this is how it works in the busness world.

Yeah, you have a point. But they should atleast acknowledge the origins of the stuff they took from Laos.

Would you like some "Thai" Peppers and "Thai" Basil on your Papaya Salad.

You like Sticky Rice? How about some "Thai" Sticky rice?

yeah 20 million lao living in thai, whom are now called Issan people lol

Thailand is so famous for fake copies of everything and anything that is a famous international brand : copy watches, handbags, clothes, textiles etc etc...

That said, there is a growing market now for traditional rustic fabrics, especially in the lifestyle business. When I was in Bangkok, I was going berserk in the Jim Thompson and Mae Fah Luang shops. The traditional fabrics of the northern hill tribes are a real hit!

I am not surprised in Laotians are pissed off by the copy fabrics.

It's capitalism. I wouldn't blame a whole nation for the acts of some people with business smarts.

Exactly

Don't forget "thai" water. lol

:genius:

I have coppy right for this Dish already.
Thai BBQ not Laos or Viet J/K

Lao and Issan are so very landlocked. Unless fluid trade & logistics can come through the Mekong River, it will be hard to beat the southerners in the trade competition.

The thing is, you can copyright a certain design, but you can't copyright and hold monopoly over something like the "sinh". It is traditional apparel that's been worn for generations.

As for trade... well Laos has it rough that is for sure. Having such a tiny population is also a liability. Companies just aren't very interested in such a tiny market and workforce. It also lacks railroads. What Laos has to its advantage, though, are natural resources, a relatively pristine environment, and being in a centrally located position between several relatively large markets. It is a common link between Thailand, China's Yunnan and Guangxi, Cambodia and Viet Nam (Burma as well if you'd like). That is why currently there's several road projects going through Laos connecting these areas.

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Thai stole a lot of stuff apparently. From Khmer they took architechture, dance, and fighting and from Lao took clothes and religion. Iguess its kinda understandible though..maybe they needed new things to strengthen their kingdom and couldnt think of things themselves...?

Thai not just stole everything from Laos, in 1827-1828 they ransacked Vientiane, took its people and settled them in Korat, imprisoned their king in Kroungtheb (BangKok). Siam used Lao people to build temples, canal, palaces and
many Siam official building around Kroungtheb.

Thai government rewrite history book and deny that 1827-28 holocaust in
Vientiane had happened, Thai stole Phra Keo and returned only
Prabang to Lao people.

I was watching the food network, and it said "Thailiand is the mecca for sticky rice." So when the chef was cooking in action, the chef spoke Lao. i was like WTF.

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Anyways the Khmers can go on and on too on whats stolen, and whats rewritten in the books, and whats misrepresented.

The fall of Vientiane and the placement of its people parallels to that of Angkor.

Just recently, the Giant Catfish was declared endagered. Although they spawn in Cambodia, Thai Biologist are promoting its names as the Thai Giant Catfish. The Thais already won one with the Thai Crocodile. There national reptile was so endangered and too hybreeded to the point where they had to capture some form Cambodia and replant them in Thailand. The pure breed ones can only be found in Cambodia. Padthai, Thailands national dish, also eaten in Cambodia, with different name of course.

Hahahahaha. I'm not surprised.

Hahaha. That's some funny stuff.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Where's that Pro-Thai guy (Sirikittong) to defend his country

Hey Initial, don't call him Sirikittong. Call him Bak Who Kee.

Then I realize alot of Thai Chefs come from Issan. Especially here in the states. Many Lao Families open up restuarants and call it Thai food. I can see the economic advantage of calling it Thai food.

hahaha, that's what's coming out of his mouth

Haha man I imagine the northern accent again!

I have a core group of friends who I have known for soooo many years. We don't see each other often anymore cuz many of the guys and girls got kids and families now, but I know if I ever need any kind of help they're always there. Well a few of them have the Vieng Chan accent. It is soooo funny to me when they say this, which they do often. Some of my friends have such short tempers. Get into fights and conflicts so much that I was surprised people from other countries think us Lao peeps are "passive". Haha as a matter of fact we were going out tonight to a local club, and the guys got into a fight before we even got inside. Needless to say we had to leave.