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white_lotus27
I was wondering, since the other posts that have surnames listed. I was wondering, does Filipino borrowed the last name from Spanish people or they just got it from them?
Cuz mostly when their mix or something, they always have a mexican last name. confused.gif
Somehow most of their surnames sounded too Spanish for me to even think about.
btw, I don't think I have even heard of a real Filipino last name before, besides one of my friend's surname Ganal. icon_neutral.gif


QUOTE (Kanlungan @ Jan 21 2006, 07:17 AM)
294. Cruz
295. Dela Cruz
296. Delos Santos
297. Delos Reyes
298. Garcia
299. Gonzales
300. Lim
301. Martinez
302. Mendoza
303. Mercado
304. Santos
305. Reyes
306. Tan
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Plus, also the name of Fernandez and Hernandez.
ham_let
a long time ago, many filipinos were forced to take up spanish surnames to make it easier to identify and tax the people.

if i remember tomorrow i'll show you a useful wikipedia entry that explains it.

EDIT: also keep in mind that having a spanish surname does not necessarily make a filipino a mestizo. a very small percentage of filipinos are mestizos. a person could be 100% filipino yet have a spanish surname because it was given to his or her ancestors many years ago by a priest.

chinese filipinos that have been living in the philippines or many generations may also have spanish surnames, or may even have spanish sounding names that are actually chinese. (ex. Cojuangco, Tanseco, Tiansón, etc.) first and second generation chinese filipinos, on the other hand, generally have anglicized versions of their chinese surnames, like Tan, Lim, or Ng.
white_lotus27
I see.... thanks. icon_smile.gif

You know the chinese surnames that you listed sounded more like Cantonese. icon_confused.gif
So then, if 100% Filipino most majority also have Spanish last names too then? That's kind of weird. icon_neutral.gif
ham_let
iunno.. i wouldn't say 100%. priests and officials gave filipinos names from this book full of names. many of the names were native to the philippines and were in no way connected to spanish.

out of the filipinos i know, i'd put it at around a 5:3 ratio. 5 spanish surnames for every 3 filipino ones.

and btw i'd say like 90% of the chinese people in the philippines are hokkien. not that many cantonese people in the philippines. i happen to be ½ hokkien ½ toisan.
Kanlungan
http://bibingka.com/names/default.htm

You might want to check this out. Not all Filipinos though have Spanish surnames.

P.S.: ham_let, do you speak fukien?
ham_let
^no. embarassedlaugh.gif i can understand bits and pieces. it's sad, really. my brother understands fukienese though. it's just me. i always found fukienese too confusing. but i'm gonna learn mandarin this summer hopefully. to make up for it. lo. my dad is pretty pissed that i don't know how to speak fukienese.

it used to be okay b/c a lot of my cousins in the philippines didn't know how to speak fukienese, they only understood it, but then they all learned -__- oh god. lol. embarassedlaugh.gif

once i master spanish, french, portuguese, and mandarin, then they'll see! THEY'LL SEE!!!


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Kanlungan
^yabang! Hehe
MrBahaw
QUOTE (ham_let @ Jan 28 2006, 01:32 AM)
^no. embarassedlaugh.gif i can understand bits and pieces. it's sad, really. my brother understands fukienese though. it's just me. i always found fukienese too confusing. but i'm gonna learn mandarin this summer hopefully. to make up for it. lo. my dad is pretty pissed that i don't know how to speak fukienese.

it used to be okay b/c a lot of my cousins in the philippines didn't know how to speak fukienese, they only understood it, but then they all learned -__- oh god. lol. embarassedlaugh.gif

once i master spanish, french, portuguese, and mandarin, then they'll see! THEY'LL SEE!!!
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wow that's quite a goal. castillan spanish or latino spanish? brazilian portuguese or portugal portugues?
ham_let
QUOTE (MrBahaw @ Jan 28 2006, 03:25 PM)
wow that's quite a goal.  castillan spanish or latino spanish?  brazilian portuguese or portugal portugues?
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pref. castillian spanish and portuguese from portugal. but we'll see. lol. it's the same for the most part. i guess i could be understood more or less either way.
Viety_Cent
Well the country could have modified the surnames abit from spanish influence

like the Korean and Vietnamese did from the Chinese icon_confused.gif
ham_let
QUOTE (Viety_Cent @ Jan 28 2006, 03:50 PM)
Well the country could have modified the surnames abit from spanish influence

like the Korean and Vietnamese did from the Chinese  icon_confused.gif
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lol. those names rooted from china are just the vietnamese and korean equivalents in each language.

there are no filipino equivalents to spanish surnames.

unless you want them to all re-spell their names, which IMO is a really dumb idea.

Velasquez = Belaskwes embarassedlaugh.gif
islander
QUOTE (ham_let @ Jan 28 2006, 01:32 AM)
^no. embarassedlaugh.gif i can understand bits and pieces. it's sad, really. my brother understands fukienese though. it's just me. i always found fukienese too confusing. but i'm gonna learn mandarin this summer hopefully. to make up for it. lo. my dad is pretty pissed that i don't know how to speak fukienese.

it used to be okay b/c a lot of my cousins in the philippines didn't know how to speak fukienese, they only understood it, but then they all learned -__- oh god. lol. embarassedlaugh.gif

once i master spanish, french, portuguese, and mandarin, then they'll see! THEY'LL SEE!!!
embarassedlaugh.gif
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Read once something about Fujian Province (new name sounds better than other). Mandarin is main lang. which all understand but how about the Fujian dialects which is what you are speaking about. They say that every 5 km. you travel you meet new culture. Every 10 km. a new language since over 100 dialects spoken. So which of the 100 dialects in Fujian you speaking about. Are you going to learn Brazilian or the european version.
MrBahaw
QUOTE (ham_let @ Jan 28 2006, 02:35 PM)
pref. castillian spanish and portuguese from portugal. but we'll see. lol. it's the same for the most part. i guess i could be understood more or less either way.
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I've been hearing stories about how some spaniards here in America have to learn Latino spanish because the latinos cannot understand them with their thick castillan accent. I really like the sound of castillan that's why I watch a lot spanish movies. but I do know one thing for sure from what my latino friends told me, they hate argentinians so I guess don't get an argentinian accent biggrin.gif
white_lotus27
QUOTE (ham_let @ Jan 27 2006, 11:32 PM)
^no. embarassedlaugh.gif i can understand bits and pieces. it's sad, really. my brother understands fukienese though. it's just me. i always found fukienese too confusing. but i'm gonna learn mandarin this summer hopefully. to make up for it. lo. my dad is pretty pissed that i don't know how to speak fukienese.

it used to be okay b/c a lot of my cousins in the philippines didn't know how to speak fukienese, they only understood it, but then they all learned -__- oh god. lol. embarassedlaugh.gif

once i master spanish, french, portuguese, and mandarin, then they'll see! THEY'LL SEE!!!
embarassedlaugh.gif
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Then do you speak Filipino at home then? icon_neutral.gif

If I were you, I think that Fukienese would be easy if my parents speak in it almost everyday, I would get it quick.
But I'm not Fukien though. icon_sad.gif

Don't worry, once you take Mandarin, it will be very easier for you to learn. icon_wink.gif
ham_let
QUOTE (islander @ Jan 28 2006, 06:26 PM)
Read once something about Fujian Province (new name sounds better than other). Mandarin is main lang. which all understand but how about the Fujian dialects which is what you are speaking about. They say that every 5 km. you travel you meet new culture. Every 10 km. a new language since over 100 dialects spoken.  So which of the 100 dialects in Fujian you speaking about. Are you going to learn Brazilian or the european version.
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yeah. lots of variant dialects around the fujian province. european spanish. apparently it's harder to learn but i like the accent better. either way it wouldn't matter. brazilian portuguese is cool too.


QUOTE (MrBahaw @ Jan 28 2006, 08:03 PM)
I've been hearing stories about how some spaniards here in America have to learn Latino spanish because the latinos cannot understand them with their thick castillan accent.  I really like the sound of castillan that's why I watch a lot spanish movies.  but I do know one thing for sure from what my latino friends told me, they hate argentinians so I guess don't get an argentinian accent biggrin.gif
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lol. <3 the castille accent. the TH sounds add an extra consonant too. makes it easier to pick out the words when people speak quickly. embarassedlaugh.gif


QUOTE (white_lotus27 @ Jan 29 2006, 12:47 AM)
Then do you speak Filipino at home then? icon_neutral.gif

If I were you, I think that Fukienese would be easy if my parents speak in it almost everyday, I would get it quick.
But I'm not Fukien though. icon_sad.gif

Don't worry, once you take Mandarin, it will be very easier for you to learn. icon_wink.gif
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i pretty much speak english at home. my parents mostly speak to me in filipino. (well, they speak 'coño inglés' to be exact, but yah... lol) my parents speak to each other in fukienese, they might say something to me in fukien and pray to god that i know what they're saying. lol. i can udnerstand SOME stuff. not enough to understand a whole conversation, which i find REALLY sad.




wth ben. >__> AF is starting to pis me off. so many problems again.
MrBahaw
QUOTE (ham_let @ Jan 28 2006, 01:32 AM)
^no. embarassedlaugh.gif i can understand bits and pieces. it's sad, really. my brother understands fukienese though. it's just me. i always found fukienese too confusing. but i'm gonna learn mandarin this summer hopefully. to make up for it. lo. my dad is pretty pissed that i don't know how to speak fukienese.
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jeez I can kind of understand your father's feelings. if my son didn't speak bisaya but started to learn tagalo I would be extremely vexxed icon_twisted.gif
Cristiano_Ronaldo
QUOTE (MrBahaw @ Jan 28 2006, 07:03 PM)
but I do know one thing for sure from what my latino friends told me, they hate argentinians so I guess don't get an argentinian accent biggrin.gif
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WTF? Argentineans have sexy accents. Mexican/Central American is just so-so. Not very attractive to listen to for sure (with some exceptions).

Anyway, I guess now you know why we have adopted Spanish surnames. Some of my Latino friends are awesome as hell (because they joined the Filipino club at my school). rockon.gif
halohalo
QUOTE (Cristiano_Ronaldo @ Jan 29 2006, 01:42 AM)
WTF? Argentineans have sexy accents. Mexican/Central American is just so-so. Not very attractive to listen to for sure (with some exceptions).

Anyway, I guess now you know why we have adopted Spanish surnames. Some of my Latino friends are awesome as hell (because they joined the Filipino club at my school). rockon.gif
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I like French, Italian, Irish and Spanish accents the best. love2.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
-=|nphatooAzN=-
i was in middle school and my teacher thought i was white when she read my surname and im like "no it's a spanish surname" and she was like "you're pure asian?" and im like "proud to be."
MrBahaw
QUOTE (Cristiano_Ronaldo @ Jan 29 2006, 01:42 AM)
WTF? Argentineans have sexy accents. Mexican/Central American is just so-so. Not very attractive to listen to for sure (with some exceptions).
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no no no, my latino friends don't give a damn about argentinian accent....wait actually they do a little because it sounds wierd to their ears. but anyway they really hate argentinians for obvious reasons
white_lotus27
QUOTE (halohalo @ Jan 28 2006, 11:45 PM)
I like French, Italian, Irish and Spanish accents the best.  love2.gif  embarassedlaugh.gif
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From all the ones that you listed, you forgot British. embarassedlaugh.gif
I love British accent! biggthumpup.gif
islander
QUOTE (MrBahaw @ Jan 29 2006, 04:27 AM)
no no no, my latino friends don't give a damn about argentinian accent....wait actually they do a little because it sounds wierd to their ears.  but anyway they really hate argentinians for obvious reasons
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Argentinians sound like they are singing. There spanish influenced by Italian. Many italians migrated to Argentina. Spaniards have a sort of lisp when they took. They say they talk that way because they once had a king who talked with a lisp so you better talk has he does. The best speaker are the Colombians. They have a sort of accent in there speaking of spanish but thats what makes it sound good.
MrBahaw
QUOTE (islander @ Jan 29 2006, 05:26 PM)
Argentinians sound like they are singing. There spanish influenced by Italian. Many italians migrated to Argentina.  Spaniards have  a sort of lisp when they took.  They say they talk that way because they once had a king who talked with a lisp so you better talk has he does.  The best speaker are the Colombians. They have a sort of accent in there speaking of spanish but thats what makes it sound good.
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hehe yeah that's why I like to listen castillan spanish, because of the lisp. I really can't distinguish argentinian accent to other latino accents except for the occational replacement of s to h embarassedlaugh.gif2
halohalo
QUOTE (white_lotus27 @ Jan 29 2006, 05:14 PM)
From all the ones that you listed, you forgot British. embarassedlaugh.gif
I love British accent! biggthumpup.gif
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Would you like to have a cup of tey??? embarassedlaugh.gif British accents are cool too...they're great to parody
RL33
QUOTE (MrBahaw @ Jan 29 2006, 06:34 PM)
hehe yeah that's why I like to listen castillan spanish, because of the lisp.  I really can't distinguish argentinian accent to other latino accents except for the occational replacement of s to h embarassedlaugh.gif2
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I dunno to me the castillians sound like they have a speech impediment when they talk.
MrBahaw
QUOTE (RL33 @ Jan 29 2006, 09:40 PM)
I dunno to me the castillians sound like they have a speech impediment when they talk.
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speech impediment?? castillans speak way faster than latinos

and it still sounds beautiful to my ears biggrin.gif
RL33
QUOTE (MrBahaw @ Jan 29 2006, 07:12 PM)
speech impediment??  castillans speak way faster than latinos

and it still sounds beautiful to my ears biggrin.gif
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Its that "tthhh" sound that they make... like Valethnia(Valencia), a peruviana friend agrees with me on this one too lol.
MrBahaw
QUOTE (RL33 @ Jan 29 2006, 10:18 PM)
Its that "tthhh" sound that they make...  like Valethnia(Valencia), a peruviana friend agrees with me on this one too lol.
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correction it is pronounced Balenthia embarassedlaugh.gif2
I have seen enough spanish movies from espana to know this icon_wink.gif
white_lotus27
QUOTE (halohalo @ Jan 29 2006, 07:38 PM)
Would you like to have a cup of tey???  embarassedlaugh.gif British accents are cool too...they're great to parody
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haha... I love that accent. embarassedlaugh.gif

I mean..... I lov tha acsunt. icon_confused.gif

I know I can't write it right. embarassedlaugh.gif But it's worth a try. icon_wink.gif
Cristiano_Ronaldo
Speaking of accents, Portuguese is still the hottest love2.gif I melt when they talk in a 'shhhhh' manner.
ham_let
QUOTE (islander @ Jan 29 2006, 06:26 PM)
Spaniards have  a sort of lisp when they took.  They say they talk that way because they once had a king who talked with a lisp so you better talk has he does.  The best speaker are the Colombians. They have a sort of accent in there speaking of spanish but thats what makes it sound good.
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colombian spanish is nasty-@$$. Y and LL become J. eew. >__>

btw,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceceo

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The "Castilian lisp"
As stated, true ceceo is simply a dialectal feature, produced by a linguistic development that diverged from that of other dialects. However, urban legend attributes it to a speech defect. According to it, ceceo became common in Castilian because one of the Spanish kings (generally identified as Felipe V or Carlos V) spoke with a lisp, and his courtiers did not want to embarrass him by speaking otherwise.

That the legend is wrong can be seen readily: if speakers of Castilian Spanish spoke with a lisp, they would be unable to pronounce phonemic /s/ as [s] and would substitute [θ] for it, but those two phonemes are pronounced and distinguished consistently.
white_lotus27
QUOTE (ham_let @ Jan 30 2006, 05:23 PM)
colombian spanish is nasty-@$$. Y and LL become J. eew. >__>
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Shakira embarassedlaugh.gif
ham_let
oh god. speaking of which, guess which colombian singer's music was playing in my head during my math exam today. >__>

fu-king shakira. drove me crazy. >__> at least i finished on time. lol.

and let the record show i d/led her cds out of curiosity.
white_lotus27
^ that would sux. embarassedlaugh.gif
Especially hearing her voice in your head during the exam.
If for me, I can't concentrate. icon_neutral.gif
Taal-Lakawan
When the Spaniards came to town in 1521, they found the natives do not use family names ("surname"). And taxing them was hard without surnames.
PedrongMakata214
ur historically right.. icon_smile.gif
ham_let
btw,

QUOTE (Cristiano_Ronaldo @ Jan 30 2006, 08:54 PM) *
Speaking of accents, Portuguese is still the hottest love2.gif I melt when they talk in a 'shhhhh' manner.

YES. love2.gif

almost as sexy as the tagalog accent. maybe none of you like it but i find it so cute. embarassedlaugh.gif
Crzyflwr
can someone tell me where the last name lalas came from and ocampo?
filipinoy
QUOTE(Crzyflwr @ Apr 8 2006, 12:55 AM) [snapback]1731032[/snapback]

can someone tell me where the last name lalas came from and ocampo?

IPB Image

Noble surnames, such as Ocampo, evoke images of the ancient homeland of the Spanish people. The original bearer of the name Ocampo, which is a local surname, once lived, held land, or was born in the beautiful region of Spain. In Spain, hereditary surnames were adopted according to fairly general rules and during the late Middle Ages, names that were derived from localities became increasingly widespread. Local names originally denoted the proprietorship of the village or estate.

Spelling variations include: Campos, Campo, de Campos, de Campo, del Campo, Camps, Campillo, del Campillo, Ocampo, de Ocampo, Campa and many more.First found in Castile, an important Christian kingdom of medieval Spain.

Some of the first settlers of this name or some of its variants were: Among the earliest explorers of the New World was Francisco del Campo, who voyaged to Chile in the late 1500s and helped to pacify the native population there. Other early migrants to the New World included Alvaro de Campo, who sailed to America in 1517


http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/ocampo-coat-arms.htm
piggy
QUOTE(filipinoy @ Apr 15 2006, 06:36 PM) [snapback]1755107[/snapback]

IPB Image

Noble surnames, such as Ocampo, evoke images of the ancient homeland of the Spanish people. The original bearer of the name Ocampo, which is a local surname, once lived, held land, or was born in the beautiful region of Spain. In Spain, hereditary surnames were adopted according to fairly general rules and during the late Middle Ages, names that were derived from localities became increasingly widespread. Local names originally denoted the proprietorship of the village or estate.

Spelling variations include: Campos, Campo, de Campos, de Campo, del Campo, Camps, Campillo, del Campillo, Ocampo, de Ocampo, Campa and many more.First found in Castile, an important Christian kingdom of medieval Spain.

Some of the first settlers of this name or some of its variants were: Among the earliest explorers of the New World was Francisco del Campo, who voyaged to Chile in the late 1500s and helped to pacify the native population there. Other early migrants to the New World included Alvaro de Campo, who sailed to America in 1517


http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/ocampo-coat-arms.htm




i know this girl named marra mejia. does anyone know where her surname comes from?
Dias
Yeah, i'd have to agree, the Castillians Spanish is weird, it sounds like the have a lisp.. Our Argentinian friend has a different accent - I think I like it more..
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I've heard that there are actually some Filipinos who have maintained their original surnames (?)
How and how many?
filipinoy
QUOTE(piggy @ Apr 16 2006, 01:14 PM) [snapback]1757476[/snapback]

i know this girl named marra mejia. does anyone know where her surname comes from?

http://www.houseofnames.com/coatofarms_det...sp?sId=&s=mejia
RL33
QUOTE(blob @ Apr 17 2006, 03:29 AM) [snapback]1759809[/snapback]

I've heard that there are actually some Filipinos who have maintained their original surnames (?)
How and how many?


People were free to chose thier last names keeping thier old ones if they wished but it had to be hispanisized in pronunciation/spelling to make it easier for the tax collectors im guessing.
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