AT first the GMD were the ruling political party, and also they had the most influence, they ignored the japanese problem in the north and only faced the warlord problem. The cccp slowly gained popularity by spreading false rumours about the GMD but also because they appealed more to the farmers and workers who were the great majority in China.

So, as the japanese threat became evident the ccp and gmd cooperated but during that event I read that the ccp gained the most supporters because then that was the phase where the supporters of teh ccp were not branded as criminals, which is my theory

I have to disagree with you and defend japan for once. China is an honorable country and its people are honorable therefore I will not accept that the reason we have a communist state is because of japan. We will take responsibility for our own choices and actions unlike the japanese and admit outright that we have made a s*itload of mistakes and miscalculations in our history and still continue to as of this day. Thats the only way we can continue to grow as a country is if we address those hard issues straight up and not blame other countries for OUR choice of government and the ideologies it carries. Maybe japan played a part in our creation of a communist state but the blame ultimately falls on us and our leaders at that time it was there choice not the japanese.

History all leads down to the past, but you can't really blame Japan directly for communism. I mean, it's just so many factors involved. I blame Japan for the loss of Taiwan though.

^No argument there

we can blame japan indirectly anyway. just kidding.

But then, you can also blame the Europeans, Mao, the KMT, Sun-yat Sen, the Guard who was supposed to kill Mao, Mao's mom, etc. etc.

if you continue like this, you'll end up blaming God for letting the japanese invasion happened.

Yup.

Amazing how China always tries to blame their problems on Japan.
Maybe the chinese should try owning up to their own problems before blaming others.

We only blame one really: the Sinp-Japanese war.

Also Taiwan.

But there are entirely fair accusations.

maybe you should mind your own business and stay out of Chinese issues...unless you are japanese of course...in that case, hi!


anyway, i dont think it is Japans fault.

The first one was the fault of the Qing. We could've and should've destroyed the Japanese. That would've crushed Japan's hopes of modernization.

No, I blame Japan for invading. The Qing is weak, but it's not the victim's fault that the aggressor attacked.

Actually, the Qing was surprisingly strong in the beginning. The largest expansion of Chinese territory you can thank the Qing for.

The Qing was not the victim. We were more militarily capable than the Japanese during the first Sino-Japanese war. Too bad corruption killed it.

^We can keep moving back and back for who to blame, we'll probably end up blaming the dinosaurs. History is sorta like a chain reaction.

Aggression is still aggression. Of course, the Qing shoulda been stronger, so you can blame them for being weak, but it's the Japanese who should bore the blunt of the blame for Taiwan.

And maybe you should take some time to read some chinese peoples responses on this topic like one of my earlier posts for example and see that I completely denounced the idea of blaming the japanese for our communistic state. Or is it because you can't read?

ok, all good and fair, but what has caused the sudden change in popularity for the ccp? it wasnt really the long march, i think it was the japanese invasion

double post

The KMT fought back against the Japanese as well. However, it's the CCP's promise of communism, and it's doctrine of "the people" which gave them the most support.

The Red Army troops helped peasants with their crops and pw0ned the landlords, while the KMT just came in and ransacked everything.

the long march and the japanese invasion both helped to promote the ccp propaganda.

The Qing government was corrupted, weak, aristocratic snobs and many wealthy/intellectuals Chinese people were addicted to opium brought in by the British. The Qing government had to be destroyed because of the growing number of poverty and inequality and that's what the communist party was for. If you have read Lenin and the Russian revolution is very similar to the Chinese one. The Qing were oppressive and they made every Chinese wore PIGTAILS and they look stupid and silly with that pigtails. Anyone refused wearing the pigtails were beheaded. The Qing also refused modernization cause they were too proud.

As for the Japanese, they invaded China for their resources...of course...the Taiwanese and some Koreans were helping with the invasion too. I couldn't see the possibilty of Japan invading without the help of these two countries. According to the Japanese, they said they wanted to Unite Asia and kick out the westerners. Here's the irony, Japan seaports were flooded with westerners at the time and they loved the westerners.

Regardless of what happened in the past, I wish to see Asia United like the European Union and operates like the UN. Where all asian country leaders meet regularly and have agreements and memberships kind of thing.

The Anglo-Saxons (Germans, British, Americans, French, Australians, who knows..maybe Canadians) are ganging up and demand unfair trading and bias against anything asian. Just look at the way they treat Asian Flu/ or bird flu. Anybody who looks asian become a carrier of the disease. Most of the time, the european/north american media reports negatively on Asian news like making asia evil like.

Another instance, Dutch, British and American oil companies such as Exxon, Esso, British Petroluem and Shell own OIL rigs in Indonesia, Middle-east (which they invaded and controlled), Atlantic, Alaska, Africa, etc. They have the entire oil resources covered for themselves. When Iran refused to sell oil to them, these countries gang up and accused the Iranians for making nuclear bombs and this give them an excuse to attack.

Oh...I know I am going out of topic. My main point is Asia should unite in the future and the history will only make us angry and hate each other. Europeans once fought and hated each other too but they can let go of their past and build a strong future so Asians can do the same too.