Full Version: Catholic Church's influence in the Philippines
One of the things that really annoys me in the phils is the ties between the Catholic church and state. The Catholic church is soo influential and powerful there that i don't think there is even a separation of religion and state. A particular ex. is the whole issue of birth control...the church once again opposes the whole thing and so is trying to influence the ppl and gov. to take a stand against it. This is despite the need for some sort of population control. There was a survey which showed that majority of filipinos dont use contraceptives,, this is probably due to lack of gov. promotions, and lack of awareness. Many who were surveyed wish that they had knowledge of those birth control pills/contraceptives b4 having had children. And also, this lack of awareness is leading to a an alarming growth of AIDs cases. Phils had one of the lowest cases of HIV in Asia. They should follow the lead of Thailand but i dont think the phils gov. is doing enough to highlight this issue. Once again, its coz of the Church, which OPPOSES ALL KINDS OF BIRTH CONTROL METHODS. Except probably one, the so called natural birth control, how effective is that when it comes to younger people? And more importantly, what about the risk of HIV, how is it going to address that issue? At least condoms minimizes the risk of HIV. Abortion is already illegal in the Phils, why does the Church still insist in abolishing all kinds of birth control methods except one? Which is probably the most ineffective. The bill introduced regarding this particular issue is already becoming a case of controversy coz of the Church's opposition. I'm not saying religion is a bad thing, i have nothing against the Catholic religion. I'm a Christian (Catholic) myself. But I'm disturbed at how POWERFUL the church's influence is on everything: ppl, politics, gov. etc. Filipinos shouldn't listen and follow EVERYTHING the church says. Some of their views are EXTREMELY OUTDATED, and backward. We need to implement policies that are actually necessary and beneficial to phils, even if this may go directly against the Catholic Church's teachings.
you know what else i dont like about the catholic church in the philippines??many people are struggling to make ends meet while churches have gold plated altars...i guess having gold plated altars helps the church in its fight against poverty...
I dislike how the Church influences the government. But about this birth control, I somewhat agree with them.
QUOTE (sango27 @ Feb 12 2006, 04:35 AM)
I dislike how the Church influences the government. But about this birth control, I somewhat agree with them.
there is a growing HIV/AIDs trend in phils, due to of course lack of availability and awareness of contraceptions such as condoms. Plus, the population needs to be controlled. The phils isnt that big compared to some other countries, but their population is! Natural resources would all be used up, etc. Also, the practice of natural birth control is much more ineffective than condoms or birth control pills. Young people of course wont be deterred from having sex at an early age and wont be likely to use the natural birth control method. When you're horny, and specially when you're young, u end up doing it regardless of wether ur most fertile or not. At least with condoms they can be used any time, and is also more effective against the spread of AIDs. Philippines should be following the example of Thailand, it used to be the same as phils b4 and had one of the highest AIDs problems in Asia. But look at it now, it's doing much more better ever since the population control has been implemented and they have now significantly lower HIV/AIDS cases. Why can't the filipinos do the same? It would benefit the country, but the Catholic church is of course opposed to it because it is all UNNATURAL and isn't part of God's plan. Oh please!
Condoms don't lack availability. You can buy them in the nearest grocery store. I don't know how much a condom cost. But honestly(I believe that most HIV cases are from the prostitution industry), I think prostitution should be legalized. I mean, if it's legalized, mas mamomonitor ng government yung mga prosti.
Admit it or not, prostitution is one of the oldest professions. Siguro hindi "prositution" pa tawag noon
Admit it or not, prostitution is one of the oldest professions. Siguro hindi "prositution" pa tawag noon
QUOTE (Kanlungan @ Feb 12 2006, 05:25 AM)
Condoms don't lack availability. You can buy them in the nearest grocery store. I don't know how much a condom cost. But honestly(I believe that most HIV cases are from the prostitution industry), I think prostitution should be legalized. I mean, if it's legalized, mas mamomonitor ng government yung mga prosti.
Admit it or not, prostitution is one of the oldest professions. Siguro hindi "prositution" pa tawag noon
Admit it or not, prostitution is one of the oldest professions. Siguro hindi "prositution" pa tawag noon
yeah but lack of awareness is. The gov. isn't promoting safe sex, there's a bill introduced that actually address that issue but the Church is creating a furor over it coz it doesnt follow with its teachings. Once again, a clear case of the Church meddling with politics. There should be public awareness of the dangers of AIDs due to unsafe sex practices and promotion of condoms/pills etc. to also control population. Phil gov. shouldn't ignore this growing problem, otherwise it would be too late to stop it.
I think the only ones we can rely on addressing the problem are the NGO's. The gov't officials are still busy with their own crab mentality. From "Hello Garci to Hello Manny". Erg
Now, this kept me thinking. What if nanalo as president yung tumatakbong mga religious leaders. OMG. "Go forth and multiply"? LOL
Now, this kept me thinking. What if nanalo as president yung tumatakbong mga religious leaders. OMG. "Go forth and multiply"? LOL
stop going to church, dont support them and they will go away. unfortunately the people make the church as strong as it is. In other countries, sunday church attendance rates have being at all-time declining rates. people need to start to think with their brains as oppose to hearts
QUOTE (forcespike437 @ Feb 12 2006, 02:03 AM)
you know what else i dont like about the catholic church in the philippines??many people are struggling to make ends meet while churches have gold plated altars...i guess having gold plated altars helps the church in its fight against poverty...
When I stopped at a small town on the way to La Union, we saw so many poor, skinny children but when we visited the church, we saw the one and only person for miles that was obese: the priest.
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Philippines: Anti-Condom Policies Could Spark AIDS Explosion
(Manila, May, 5 2004) — The Philippines is courting an HIV/AIDS explosion by pandering to religious objections to condom use, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today.
" The Philippines is courting an AIDS epidemic with its anti-condom approach. The casualties will be millions of people who cannot protect themselves from HIV infection. "
Jonathan Cohen, researcher with Human Rights Watch’s HIV/AIDS and Human Rights Program
Unprotected: Sex, Condoms, and the Human Right to Health in the Philippines
Report, May 4, 2004
United States: Restrictive Sex Ed Impedes AIDS Prevention
Press Release, September 18, 2002
Contribute to Human Rights Watch
The Philippine government’s inadequate HIV-prevention policies put at grave risk large numbers of men, women and children who could contract this incurable disease. Condoms are the only widely available device for preventing sexual transmission of HIV and have proven highly effective when used correctly and consistently.
“The Philippines is courting an AIDS epidemic with its anti-condom approach,” said Jonathan Cohen, a researcher with Human Rights Watch’s HIV/AIDS Program and author of the report. “The casualties will be millions of people who cannot protect themselves from HIV infection.”
In its 70-page report, Unprotected: Sex, Condoms, and the Human Right to Health in the Philippines, Human Rights Watch said that the Philippine government bans the use of national funds for condom supplies. Some local authorities, such as the mayor of Manila City, prohibit the distribution of condoms in government health facilities. School-based HIV/AIDS educators told Human Rights Watch that schools often prohibited them from discussing condoms with students.
In 2003, the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) successfully blocked legislation that would have authorized the use of national funds for condoms and other contraceptive supplies. That same year, the administration of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo awarded a P$50 million (U.S.$888,000) contract to an organization, Couples for Christ, to provide “natural family planning” seminars that discourage condom use. Nurses in government health clinics in Manila teach that condoms have holes in them, sources said, a myth that has also been articulated by Vatican spokesmen.
“The argument that condoms have holes in them is itself full of holes,” said Cohen. “The government should immediately counter this false pseudoscience with correct information.”
The report criticizes the Philippines for failing to provide complete HIV/AIDS information to sex workers and other groups at high risk of HIV infection. Sex workers told Human Rights Watch that they rarely use condoms and sometimes question their effectiveness. Other sex workers said police used possession of condoms as evidence to prosecute prostitution. Students who were interviewed said that condoms were only for birth control, reflecting church teachings.
This combination of high-risk sexual practices and low condom use has led experts to fear an HIV/AIDS explosion in the Philippines. The government boasts that HIV/AIDS’ spread in the country is “low and slow”—only 10,000 cases in a country of 84 million.
The United States announced in 2002 that it would no longer donate condoms to the Philippines, causing an unprecedented condom supply crisis. The announcement coincided with the scaling up of U.S.-funded “abstinence until marriage” programs, now a staple of U.S. foreign AIDS policy. Since President George W. Bush took office in 2000, his administration has removed information about condoms from government websites, appointed physicians who oppose condoms as high-level advisers on HIV/AIDS, and opposed references to condoms in United Nations policy documents. The United States opposed a reference to “consistent condom use” at the 2002 Asian and Pacific Population Conference.
“Silence and lies about condoms undermine HIV prevention for all Filipinos, and condom shortages condemn the poorest to facing the highest risk,” said Cohen. “To deny people condoms is to infringe their right to life.”
Human Rights Watch urged candidates in the Philippines’ May 10 presidential election to address the urgent need for HIV/AIDS education, including the importance of condom use as a life-saving prevention tool.
(Manila, May, 5 2004) — The Philippines is courting an HIV/AIDS explosion by pandering to religious objections to condom use, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today.
" The Philippines is courting an AIDS epidemic with its anti-condom approach. The casualties will be millions of people who cannot protect themselves from HIV infection. "
Jonathan Cohen, researcher with Human Rights Watch’s HIV/AIDS and Human Rights Program
Unprotected: Sex, Condoms, and the Human Right to Health in the Philippines
Report, May 4, 2004
United States: Restrictive Sex Ed Impedes AIDS Prevention
Press Release, September 18, 2002
Contribute to Human Rights Watch
The Philippine government’s inadequate HIV-prevention policies put at grave risk large numbers of men, women and children who could contract this incurable disease. Condoms are the only widely available device for preventing sexual transmission of HIV and have proven highly effective when used correctly and consistently.
“The Philippines is courting an AIDS epidemic with its anti-condom approach,” said Jonathan Cohen, a researcher with Human Rights Watch’s HIV/AIDS Program and author of the report. “The casualties will be millions of people who cannot protect themselves from HIV infection.”
In its 70-page report, Unprotected: Sex, Condoms, and the Human Right to Health in the Philippines, Human Rights Watch said that the Philippine government bans the use of national funds for condom supplies. Some local authorities, such as the mayor of Manila City, prohibit the distribution of condoms in government health facilities. School-based HIV/AIDS educators told Human Rights Watch that schools often prohibited them from discussing condoms with students.
In 2003, the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) successfully blocked legislation that would have authorized the use of national funds for condoms and other contraceptive supplies. That same year, the administration of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo awarded a P$50 million (U.S.$888,000) contract to an organization, Couples for Christ, to provide “natural family planning” seminars that discourage condom use. Nurses in government health clinics in Manila teach that condoms have holes in them, sources said, a myth that has also been articulated by Vatican spokesmen.
“The argument that condoms have holes in them is itself full of holes,” said Cohen. “The government should immediately counter this false pseudoscience with correct information.”
The report criticizes the Philippines for failing to provide complete HIV/AIDS information to sex workers and other groups at high risk of HIV infection. Sex workers told Human Rights Watch that they rarely use condoms and sometimes question their effectiveness. Other sex workers said police used possession of condoms as evidence to prosecute prostitution. Students who were interviewed said that condoms were only for birth control, reflecting church teachings.
This combination of high-risk sexual practices and low condom use has led experts to fear an HIV/AIDS explosion in the Philippines. The government boasts that HIV/AIDS’ spread in the country is “low and slow”—only 10,000 cases in a country of 84 million.
The United States announced in 2002 that it would no longer donate condoms to the Philippines, causing an unprecedented condom supply crisis. The announcement coincided with the scaling up of U.S.-funded “abstinence until marriage” programs, now a staple of U.S. foreign AIDS policy. Since President George W. Bush took office in 2000, his administration has removed information about condoms from government websites, appointed physicians who oppose condoms as high-level advisers on HIV/AIDS, and opposed references to condoms in United Nations policy documents. The United States opposed a reference to “consistent condom use” at the 2002 Asian and Pacific Population Conference.
“Silence and lies about condoms undermine HIV prevention for all Filipinos, and condom shortages condemn the poorest to facing the highest risk,” said Cohen. “To deny people condoms is to infringe their right to life.”
Human Rights Watch urged candidates in the Philippines’ May 10 presidential election to address the urgent need for HIV/AIDS education, including the importance of condom use as a life-saving prevention tool.
QUOTE (Anakaleki @ Feb 12 2006, 12:05 PM)
When I stopped at a small town on the way to La Union, we saw so many poor, skinny children but when we visited the church, we saw the one and only person for miles that was obese: the priest.
the priest probably had a cellphone too!!
they should give back to the community by giving food and clothes to those who need it in the rural areas..
Lets look a bigger picture. The Vatican should be blamed for the Catholic Church influence in the Philippines and in the World. The tuition fee paid at Catholic Schools and donations and offerings being given in Catholic Churches is going straight to the Vatican and the Vatican controls all the fundings of all the Catholic Churches in the world. Many nations are going deeper into poverty while the Vatican is getting richer.
You know that the Catholic Church forbids priests to marry because they want the money intact so it will not be distributed to the wives and children. Christian Pastors and Evangelists can marry which is not forbiden in the bible.
You know that the Catholic Church forbids priests to marry because they want the money intact so it will not be distributed to the wives and children. Christian Pastors and Evangelists can marry which is not forbiden in the bible.
QUOTE (martin_nuke @ Feb 12 2006, 11:04 PM)
Lets look a bigger picture. The Vatican should be blamed for the Catholic Church influence in the Philippines and in the World. The tuition fee paid at Catholic Schools and donations and offerings being given in Catholic Churches is going straight to the Vatican and the Vatican controls all the fundings of all the Catholic Churches in the world. Many nations are going deeper into poverty while the Vatican is getting richer.
You know that the Catholic Church forbids priests to marry because they want the money intact so it will not be distributed to the wives and children. Christian Pastors and Evangelists can marry which is not forbiden in the bible.
You know that the Catholic Church forbids priests to marry because they want the money intact so it will not be distributed to the wives and children. Christian Pastors and Evangelists can marry which is not forbiden in the bible.
lets stop blaming other people, especially people in other countries and make ourselves accountable. its our people who so feverishly go to church and support this organization. stop listening to the Catholic Church when they talk about political issues and they will stop being such a political force. It is ok to be a devout Catholic but learn to separate your heart from your mind when you think about important political and economic issues. Church is not mandatory in order to go to heaven. most first-world nations are mostly secular states in terms of government
Well, take a look of this , then you will find the clue to your answer.
http://www.buzzle.com/boards.asp?board=238&message=53786
Dear Staff,
It is not only in the State. It is happen around the world too espeically in Rome ( the Catholic place).
Priests team up to cover up for one another instead of sending the bad priests to jail. There is no wonder why the PRIESTS CRIME became more and more serious in the State!!!
Read the truth below carefully:
I am writing to let the world know about how do the bad priests live in Rome,Italy.
In a place call Convitto S. Tommaso (Via Degli Ibernesi 20, 00184 Rome, Italy Tel: 0669791601)
The bad priests team up and cover up for one another. Here are what bad things they did to the general publics and against the general law and orders:
1. The Philippine Sister sleeps with the Fathers in Convitto S Tommaso in order to keep her job to stay in Rome not return to Philippine.
2. The head of the Father ( Father Luke) regularly calls the Sister to sleep with him in his room at night.
3. The head of the Father (Irish Fahter Luke) also lead every priest in Convitto S Tommasso drink. Every priests enjoy drinking unlimited supply of both white and red wine during their lunch and dinner time with plentiful and luxury supply of foods served by Philippine servant. Fathers are chatting women issue, travel Europe issues, and eating issues during their meals time with laughters.
4. Those Bad Fathers team up to cheat the tourists and innocent youngests money, valuable possession in Rome.
You can find those bad fathers hide those cheating and stolen GOLD AND JEWEL somewhere in Convitto S Tommasso.
5. The bad Fathers against the Italian Law without feeling guilty - the walk into the public transportation often without paying ticket.
6. They use dirty tricks to decieve teenagers and kids to have fun sex with them.
Those bad priests students from Convitto S Tommasso have learned that committing a crime is okay in Rome and the other Fathers will help them to cover up.
Therefore,when they return to their own country, they just go on what they did in Rome - continuous to do bad things to harm to the general public and the society!
http://www.buzzle.com/boards.asp?board=238&message=53786
Dear Staff,
It is not only in the State. It is happen around the world too espeically in Rome ( the Catholic place).
Priests team up to cover up for one another instead of sending the bad priests to jail. There is no wonder why the PRIESTS CRIME became more and more serious in the State!!!
Read the truth below carefully:
I am writing to let the world know about how do the bad priests live in Rome,Italy.
In a place call Convitto S. Tommaso (Via Degli Ibernesi 20, 00184 Rome, Italy Tel: 0669791601)
The bad priests team up and cover up for one another. Here are what bad things they did to the general publics and against the general law and orders:
1. The Philippine Sister sleeps with the Fathers in Convitto S Tommaso in order to keep her job to stay in Rome not return to Philippine.
2. The head of the Father ( Father Luke) regularly calls the Sister to sleep with him in his room at night.
3. The head of the Father (Irish Fahter Luke) also lead every priest in Convitto S Tommasso drink. Every priests enjoy drinking unlimited supply of both white and red wine during their lunch and dinner time with plentiful and luxury supply of foods served by Philippine servant. Fathers are chatting women issue, travel Europe issues, and eating issues during their meals time with laughters.
4. Those Bad Fathers team up to cheat the tourists and innocent youngests money, valuable possession in Rome.
You can find those bad fathers hide those cheating and stolen GOLD AND JEWEL somewhere in Convitto S Tommasso.
5. The bad Fathers against the Italian Law without feeling guilty - the walk into the public transportation often without paying ticket.
6. They use dirty tricks to decieve teenagers and kids to have fun sex with them.
Those bad priests students from Convitto S Tommasso have learned that committing a crime is okay in Rome and the other Fathers will help them to cover up.
Therefore,when they return to their own country, they just go on what they did in Rome - continuous to do bad things to harm to the general public and the society!
Yes, I remember when I went there some years back and two women started preaching to my brother and I in the church some very outdated teachings - I believe in God, certainly, but not the way they were teaching it; the way they teach it is the reason why so many people rebel against Christianity.
I believe in christianity but i dont believe in the catholic church because I have seen many flaws the catholic church that is why the charismatic movement, el shadai, etc... were established which are catholic institutions because they realized that they are losing many devoties.
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WTF, ME WANT WHAT U GUYS ARE SMOKING 
. Alot of countires (not just Philippines) are influence by religion. So stop slamming the Catholic religion because its not the only religion that has an influence towards how the country is run. LoOk at all the Middle Eastern Countries, governments are practically run by Mullahs and Imams, much worst than how Philippines is "run" by catholics!!!!
. Alot of countires (not just Philippines) are influence by religion. So stop slamming the Catholic religion because its not the only religion that has an influence towards how the country is run. LoOk at all the Middle Eastern Countries, governments are practically run by Mullahs and Imams, much worst than how Philippines is "run" by catholics!!!!
QUOTE (Excuse_Me @ Feb 18 2006, 11:07 AM)
WTF, ME WANT WHAT U GUYS ARE SMOKING . Alot of countires (not just Philippines) are influence by religion. So stop slamming the Catholic religion because its not the only religion that has an influence towards how the country is run. LoOk at all the Middle Eastern Countries, governments are practically run by Mullahs and Imams, much worst than how Philippines is "run" by catholics!!!!
. Alot of countires (not just Philippines) are influence by religion. So stop slamming the Catholic religion because its not the only religion that has an influence towards how the country is run. LoOk at all the Middle Eastern Countries, governments are practically run by Mullahs and Imams, much worst than how Philippines is "run" by catholics!!!!you just gave an example to further prove my point.. look no further then the mid east with Iran for example. a state run by religious leaders is doomed from the start
the catholic church should stay the fu-k out of politics...their only objective is to take the money from poor filipinos and use it for unnecessary things...
QUOTE (kermit_criminal @ Feb 19 2006, 04:21 AM)
you just gave an example to further prove my point.. look no further then the mid east with Iran for example. a state run by religious leaders is doomed from the start
IRAN, gosh where do i start. U jus have to look at there history and current President ( a religious hardliner whos thoughts and values contradicts that of the west). There government is literally run by ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST who go by the SHARIA rules, which is meant to be rules and regulations derived from there HOLY book the Koran........Religion playing its part in PHILIPPINE POLITICS is nothing compared to that of the MIDDLE EAST!!!!!
The US is heading in the same direction with Fundamentalist Christians.
QUOTE (forcespike437 @ Feb 18 2006, 01:58 PM)
the catholic church should stay the fu-k out of politics...their only objective is to take the money from poor filipinos and use it for unnecessary things...
I agree with you when you said that the church should stay away from politics. It's not really their job. I'm a very devoted Catholic but I don't believe that the church should be using the government by telling the society how they're supposed to act because not everyone in the Philippines are Catholics.
But I disagree with you for saying that my church take money from poor and put it in unnecessary things. HOW THE fu-k CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU fu-kED UP BASTARD?!?! The church tries to help the poor as much as it can. Huge charities such as the Gawad Kalinga tries to give shelter for the homeless and you're saying this bullcrap. fu-k YOU! DIE YOU MONSTER @$$hole!
QUOTE (peterdongseng @ Feb 18 2006, 08:37 PM)
fu-k YOU! DIE YOU MONSTER @$$hole!
2 a true follower of Jesus
QUOTE (peterdongseng @ Feb 18 2006, 06:37 PM)
I agree with you when you said that the church should stay away from politics. It's not really their job. I'm a very devoted Catholic but I don't believe that the church should be using the government by telling the society how they're supposed to act because not everyone in the Philippines are Catholics.
But I disagree with you for saying that my church take money from poor and put it in unnecessary things. HOW THE fu-k CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU fu-kED UP BASTARD?!?! The church tries to help the poor as much as it can. Huge charities such as the Gawad Kalinga tries to give shelter for the homeless and you're saying this bullcrap. fu-k YOU! DIE YOU MONSTER @$$hole!
But I disagree with you for saying that my church take money from poor and put it in unnecessary things. HOW THE fu-k CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU fu-kED UP BASTARD?!?! The church tries to help the poor as much as it can. Huge charities such as the Gawad Kalinga tries to give shelter for the homeless and you're saying this bullcrap. fu-k YOU! DIE YOU MONSTER @$$hole!
b!tch you didn't have to get all fu-kin personal...if you got nothing better to do, go to your room, lock your door, and shove a cross up your @$$!!!
QUOTE (forcespike437 @ Feb 18 2006, 10:58 PM)
b!tch you didn't have to get all fu-kin personal...if you got nothing better to do, go to your room, lock your door, and shove a cross up your @$$!!!
well i just did!!! What are you gonna do about it you mini fu-kwit!..
you started it anyway for talking crap
QUOTE (peterdongseng @ Feb 18 2006, 08:45 PM)
well i just did!!! What are you gonna do about it you mini fu-kwit!..
you started it anyway for talking crap
you started it anyway for talking crap
oh so now i started it??why don't you quote the post where i talked smack??you just can't accept the facts coz you value your religion too much...
QUOTE (forcespike437 @ Feb 18 2006, 01:58 PM)
the catholic church should stay the fu-k out of politics...their only objective is to take the money from poor filipinos and use it for unnecessary things...
yeah this one says it all. You talk bunch of bullcrap about churches but you don't have an idea what the hell you're talking about. The catholic church might have been corrupt in the past but that past has been gone! the church does social contributions now unlike stupid people like you who talks about stupid "facts."
QUOTE (forcespike437 @ Feb 18 2006, 11:55 PM)
oh so now i started it??why don't you quote the post where i talked smack??you just can't accept the facts coz you value your religion too much...
all you do is hate and hate and you think you're contributing to your country but actually all you do is spill false "facts." Screw you and your so-called facts. I can show more charity stuff to you than your so called taking of money of the church from the people. You see unlike other christian denominations the catholic church do not oblige its members to pay tithes. Sure we have golf-plated altars but we still use more money in helping the poor.
QUOTE (peterdongseng @ Feb 18 2006, 09:33 PM)
all you do is hate and hate and you think you're contributing to your country but actually all you do is spill false "facts." Screw you and your so-called facts. I can show more charity stuff to you than your so called taking of money of the church from the people. You see unlike other christian denominations the catholic church do not oblige its members to pay tithes. Sure we have golf-plated altars but we still use more money in helping the poor.
then why don't you post those charity stuff that the catholic church has done in the philippines...we're only talking about the catholic church in the philippines so you can't put anything from other countries...good luck coz you'll have a hard time finding them...it's hard to find something that doesn't exist...
gawad kalinga is a philippines catholic charity connected to the catholic group called "couples for christ". it has been building houses for poor people. i'v heard they'v already built houses in mindanao for poor muslims and instead of building catholic churches in those villages they built mosques. i wasn't expecting them to do so since a lot of those money were donated by catholics and non-muslims. i mean there are many filipino catholics who need those money, why built the muslim houses and use catholic money to build mosques. it's not logical. would muslims build catholic churches too?!? i don't think so.. but it makes me think about brotherhood. about respect for each others religion/opinions/philosophy and be good to each other as part of one big human race, the brotherhood of man.
QUOTE (bisaya @ Feb 19 2006, 10:15 AM)
gawad kalinga is a philippines catholic charity connected to the catholic group called "couples for christ". it has been building houses for poor people. i'v heard they'v already built houses in mindanao for poor muslims and instead of building catholic churches in those villages they built mosques. i wasn't expecting them to do so since a lot of those money were donated by catholics and non-muslims. i mean there are many filipino catholics who need those money, why built the muslim houses and use catholic money to build mosques. it's not logical. would muslims build catholic churches too?!? i don't think so.. but it makes me think about brotherhood. about respect for each others religion/opinions/philosophy and be good to each other as part of one big human race, the brotherhood of man.
cuz it's charity? If cfc thinks that way then it's just gonna look like a catholic charity exclusively for catholics (OMG it's so cold here even the heater is not enough. It's so hard to type my fingers are so numb). But yeah I don't get the building the mosque thing. My parents have been giving them money and we don't even have a single idea about that.
Anyways, forcespike I'm sorry I was being very rude and personal. There are so many Catholic Charities all over the world. As a matter of fact, even charismatic Catholic affiliations do charity work as a part of their social service. I really can't post them all up because they are so plenty. I'm wrong yeah I can't post up all the charity stuff the church does. And here in the States YMCA and Salvation Army are the largest and they're not Catholic. Aside from GK, The nuns that was established by Sister Theresa... omg! Idk! Like all of the Catholic affiliations I know do charity works. But yes I'm really sorry. I was so rude to you just because you were trying to voice out what you think sorry.
edit: I saw someone posted that the reason we have charismatic orgs is because our faith is sinking (or something like that)... I don't think that's true. The reason why we have charismatic organizations is because we have different personalities. People who join charismatic orgs are those people who are "unconventional" for conservative Catholics (and unconventional is not a bad thing). These people like my family go to charismatic masses where we're more lively in praising and stuff. Cuz I've seen Protestant services and they're pretty cool and that's so very similar to the korean catholic church I go to right now or other charismatic catholic services ... we dance when we praise and stuff like that.
Gosh IT ANGERS ME how WE CATHOLICS ARE ALWAYS TARGETED. U jus have to look at the RELIGION section of this site..........
QUOTE (Excuse_Me @ Feb 19 2006, 01:05 PM)
Gosh IT ANGERS ME how WE CATHOLICS ARE ALWAYS TARGETED. U jus have to look at the RELIGION section of this site..........
I'm upset too and I was really b!tchin' but I realized... hey it's their opinion. That's what threads are for: to voice out opinions. If someone did what I did to forcespike last night here in this thread, I'd be mad too. We're Catholics, let's show them we aren't bad people.
Yeah, i know how u feel, i got frustrated at some of the members on this site for "bashing" the catholic religion, especially in the AF lounge. Cant really blame ourselves for defending our religion....
QUOTE (peterdongseng @ Feb 19 2006, 10:14 AM)
I'm upset too and I was really b!tchin' but I realized... hey it's their opinion. That's what threads are for: to voice out opinions. If someone did what I did to forcespike last night here in this thread, I'd be mad too. We're Catholics, let's show them we aren't bad people.
good thing you know you screwed up dawg...
QUOTE (Excuse_Me @ Feb 19 2006, 09:05 AM)
Gosh IT ANGERS ME how WE CATHOLICS ARE ALWAYS TARGETED. U jus have to look at the RELIGION section of this site..........
i know. its as if they blame the church for everything. oh well... its sunday. magsimba na lang tayo.
QUOTE (Najjiah @ Feb 19 2006, 10:49 AM)
i know. its as if they blame the church for everything. oh well... its sunday. magsimba na lang tayo.
we're not blaming the church for everything...but i guess it's the same thing when people say "it's all part of god's plan" when something happens..don't you think so??
the church has too much influence in phil politics more than usual and that is something i don't like to see
QUOTE (TakTAk-Boy @ Feb 19 2006, 11:15 AM)
the church has too much influence in phil politics more than usual and that is something i don't like to see
yea i know...cardinal sin was really active when he was still alive so i'm kinda happy that he's not around anymore..
QUOTE (forcespike437 @ Feb 19 2006, 01:36 PM)
good thing you know you screwed up dawg...
i screwed up but I don't admit that you're right for saying the church takes money from the poor...
QUOTE (peterdongseng @ Feb 19 2006, 02:50 PM)
i screwed up but I don't admit that you're right for saying the church takes money from the poor...
http://image61.webshots.com/161/4/96/7/248...94FwiUEf_fs.jpg
Take a look at how the priests use your donation money for their daily eating in Rome, Italy.
Look at the dinning table.
The plates with Chocolate cake - the fifth serving.
And best wine - unlimited supply.
Serving by Philipphine nuns and workers.
Take a look at how the priests use your donation money for their daily eating in Rome, Italy.
Look at the dinning table.
The plates with Chocolate cake - the fifth serving.
And best wine - unlimited supply.
Serving by Philipphine nuns and workers.
QUOTE (email1 @ Feb 20 2006, 01:36 AM)
http://image61.webshots.com/161/4/96/7/248...94FwiUEf_fs.jpg
Take a look at how the priests use your donation money for their daily eating in Rome, Italy.
Look at the dinning table.
The plates with Chocolate cake - the fifth serving.
And best wine - unlimited supply.
Serving by Philipphine nuns and workers.
Take a look at how the priests use your donation money for their daily eating in Rome, Italy.
Look at the dinning table.
The plates with Chocolate cake - the fifth serving.
And best wine - unlimited supply.
Serving by Philipphine nuns and workers.
lol! you make it sound like we still live in the Spanish Era. Can't us Catholics celebrate even a bit of sophistication? I'm kinda' proud because my church in history has contributed largely to world literature at the same time helping the poor.
QUOTE (peterdongseng @ Feb 19 2006, 10:55 PM)
lol! you make it sound like we still live in the Spanish Era. Can't us Catholics celebrate even a bit of sophistication? I'm kinda' proud because my church in history has contributed largely to world literature at the same time helping the poor.
i have to agree with you on that one...as we all know, the bible is the bestselling FICTION book ever...
QUOTE (forcespike437 @ Feb 20 2006, 01:59 AM)
i have to agree with you on that one...as we all know, the bible is the bestselling FICTION book ever...
You're so dumb... Even non-fiction such as the Bible is a form of literature bobo!
Since you treat people like they're so perfect then I'll treat you the same way too. Bible is a group of book and not a book alone. You're fu-king dumb!
QUOTE (peterdongseng @ Feb 19 2006, 11:21 PM)
You're so dumb... Even non-fiction such as the Bible is a form of literature bobo!
Since you treat people like they're so perfect then I'll treat you the same way too. Bible is a group of book and not a book alone. You're fu-king dumb!
Since you treat people like they're so perfect then I'll treat you the same way too. Bible is a group of book and not a book alone. You're fu-king dumb!
i know non-fiction books are considered literature, but i still consider the bible as fiction...hmmm you're right again...the bible is a collection of stories like the one i had when i was in pre-school which had 3 little pigs and jack and the bean stalk...
QUOTE (forcespike437 @ Feb 20 2006, 02:28 AM)
i know non-fiction books are considered literature, but i still consider the bible as fiction...hmmm you're right again...the bible is a collection of stories like the one i had when i was in pre-school which had 3 little pigs and jack and the bean stalk...
WOW! You're so smart! You're just going to make examples you're going to use the ones from elementary. You're an imbecile. If you think you're so smart then how come you're so elementary?
QUOTE (peterdongseng @ Feb 19 2006, 11:38 PM)
WOW! You're so smart! You're just going to make examples you're going to use the ones from elementary. You're an imbecile. If you think you're so smart then how come you're so elementary?
dang you think you're smart, but it seems like you didn't even get it...i used the pre-school book as an analogy coz only little kids believe the stories in the bible...
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