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b1ackcloud
http://www.yapi.org/rpchildsextourism.pdf

I love Japanese culture and entertainment, but I notice there is a huge pedo theme in Japan, or Kawaii or whatever. When I talk about how sickening it is, I always get backlash. Little girls moaning in songs...and nobody look at it sexually? Little girls in anime showing their panties. Compensated dating. Now I recently read an article about how most of web based child porn is from Japan....I was not suprised.

I hope this doesn't get deleted and I'm not bashing Japanese ppl, but why do you guys let such a culture to be so widespread? Old women talking like little girls? Young pop stars that would make pedophiles go crazy, etc.
Happy Asian
Sick and weird people is all I have to say.
Suijen
Eh, they just got a lolita culture. Deal with it.
Suijen
Eh, they just got a lolita culture. Deal with it.
chilli21
every cultures have their good and bad side at the same time.
ThyHorrorCosmic
QUOTE (Suijen @ Feb 19 2006, 09:59 PM)
Eh, they just got a lolita culture.  Deal with it.
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Disagree, IMO Japan doesn't focus on youth anymore than anyother country.
Gatts
and i thought it would be thai
n4ce12
^wasnt it transie?no offence
Takashi
QUOTE (ThyHorrorCosmic @ Feb 20 2006, 05:06 AM)
Disagree, IMO Japan doesn't focus on youth anymore than anyother country.
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Same.
b1ackcloud
So you haven't notice how old and adult women are speaking like little girls in Japan? How many pop stars are little kids that moan in their music while the audience are nearly all male adults. That there was or still is a lot of compensated dating between young Japanese females and old men.

So you see no correlation between what's happening in Japan and 80% of child porn sites originating from Japan?

Last time I check, it's not normal for adult women in the US to speak like little children. Not common for girl pop stars to have adult male audience. Very rare to hear about compesated dating between young teens and older adults. Maybe that's why we're not big on child porn sites here?



QUOTE (ThyHorrorCosmic @ Feb 20 2006, 12:06 AM)
Disagree, IMO Japan doesn't focus on youth anymore than anyother country.
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Takashi
QUOTE (b1ackcloud @ Feb 20 2006, 07:27 AM)
So you haven't notice how old and adult women are speaking like little girls in Japan? How many pop stars are little kids that moan in their music while the audience are nearly all male adults. That there was or still is a lot of compensated dating between young Japanese females and old men.

So you see no correlation between what's happening in Japan and 80% of child porn sites originating from Japan?

Last time I check, it's not normal for adult women in the US to speak like little children. Not common for girl pop stars to have adult male audience. Very rare to hear about compesated dating between young teens and older adults. Maybe that's why we're not big on child porn sites here?
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Speaking like little girls in what sense?
Moaning in their music.........again in what sense............I'd need to hear a clip to know exactly what you're talking about.
Because a lot of young Japanese females are after the old guys money icon_rolleyes.gif

Japan isn't the US so its pointless making comparisons between speech.
Tough, Baby Vox in Korea have god knows how many male fans.
Compensated dating isnt rare, in the US you have the whole jailbait thing, in the UK we dont, its not particularly uncommon here.
Jaimu-Jaimu
QUOTE (ThyHorrorCosmic @ Feb 20 2006, 06:06 AM)
Disagree, IMO Japan doesn't focus on youth anymore than anyother country.
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Disagreeing with you in turn.
Although I don't agree with the opening post about the music etc. Child pornography is a problem in Japan to an extent not experienced in other countries.

There just doesn't seem to be enough of a social stigma attached.
b1ackcloud
In what sense? Do u not know how a little girls talk like ? Do you not know how moaning sounds like? Baby Vox is a group that look like grown women!!! Many Japanese pop stars who are only like 8 freaking years old who moans and the whole audience are males.

All that alone, I wouldn't argue with, but when I hear that 80% of child porn originate from Japan, it makes me think. Does that not make you think?

Example, if a guy is into childish things...so what. Then when he has child porn....don't ya think he' might be on the pedo side?

At least explain to me why 80% of child porn originate from Japan then? You don't see any correlation child porn and Japan's culture?

QUOTE (Takashi @ Feb 20 2006, 02:32 AM)
Speaking like little girls in what sense?
Moaning in their music.........again in what sense............I'd need to hear a clip to know exactly what you're talking about.
Because a lot of young Japanese females are after the old guys money icon_rolleyes.gif

Japan isn't the US so its pointless making comparisons between speech.
Tough, Baby Vox in Korea have god knows how many male fans.
Compensated dating isnt rare, in the US you have the whole jailbait thing, in the UK we dont, its not particularly uncommon here.
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Nini_Kya
if its true it really sucks
Takashi
QUOTE (b1ackcloud @ Feb 20 2006, 03:43 PM)
In what sense? Do u not know how a little girls talk like ? Do you not know how moaning sounds like?  Baby Vox is a group that look like grown women!!! Many Japanese pop stars who are only like 8 freaking years old who moans and the whole audience are males.

All that alone, I wouldn't argue with, but when I hear that 80% of child porn originate from Japan, it makes me think. Does that not make you think?

Example, if a guy is into childish things...so what. Then when he has child porn....don't ya think he' might be on the pedo side?

At least explain to me why 80% of child porn originate from Japan then? You don't see any correlation child porn and Japan's culture?
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Yeah I do but I havent noticed much moaning by itself, more the high pitched squealing/moaning embarassedlaugh.gif
Baby Vox didn't always look like grown women icon_rolleyes.gif

Obviously if he has child porn he's a paedo, thats just a stupid question.
Very little, I'd say the correlation is more likely to be between the 'art' photos they take of young actresses/models as opposed to anything you mentioned.

Also considering you are using a figure from 1998 I highly doubt its still the same icon_rolleyes.gif
Najjiah
QUOTE (Jaimu-Jaimu @ Feb 20 2006, 05:00 AM)
Disagreeing with you in turn.
Although I don't agree with the opening post about the music etc. Child pornography is a problem in Japan to an extent not experienced in other countries.

There just doesn't seem to be enough of a social stigma attached.
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quite true. child pornography isnt stigmatized as much in japan. but in general, among all the asia nations, japan is pretty bold.

ichi the killer is thge sort of movie that will most certainly be boycotted in a lot of countries around the world. but in japan, movies like that are very common. its a culture of violence & exploitation of women, it seems like.
Guy4life
Every culture have their pervs japan just have more...... icon_confused.gif
Takashi
QUOTE (Najjiah @ Feb 20 2006, 05:06 PM)
ichi the killer is thge sort of movie that will most certainly be boycotted in a lot of countries around the world. but in japan, movies like that are very common. its a culture of violence & exploitation of women, it seems like.
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I dont think it would, Visitor Q would be more likely.
b1ackcloud
It's a figure from 1998, but it is maybe one of the most comprehensive and lates study. Still, since 1999, though they had legislation to crack down, Japan is still a major producer. U actually think child porn originating from Japan fallen since then? If anything, it probably flourished.

Japan has a very perverted entertainment industry and it's very widespread and I doubt it's reflects differently in child porn stats.

Still, at least I gave you stats...what have you given me? Your own opinion!

I feel sad that there are ppl who think like you. All these little 8-11 yrs old girls being pop stars, dressing cute, moaning in an audience of all males...and you see nothing wrong with it? What are you, a pedo?

This why child sex tourism and pornography flourish, becuz ppl like you see nothing wrong with it.


QUOTE (Takashi @ Feb 20 2006, 11:33 AM)
Yeah I do but I havent noticed much moaning by itself, more the high pitched squealing/moaning  embarassedlaugh.gif
Baby Vox didn't always look like grown women icon_rolleyes.gif

Obviously if he has child porn he's a paedo, thats just a stupid question.
Very little, I'd say the correlation is more likely to be between the 'art' photos they take of young actresses/models as opposed to anything you mentioned.

Also considering you are using a figure from 1998 I highly doubt its still the same icon_rolleyes.gif
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Thanol
QUOTE (b1ackcloud @ Feb 20 2006, 08:42 PM)
It's a figure from 1998, but it is maybe one of the most comprehensive and lates study. Still, since 1999, though they had legislation to crack down, Japan is still a major producer. U actually think child porn originating from Japan fallen since then? If anything, it probably flourished.

Japan has a very perverted entertainment industry and it's very widespread and I doubt it's reflects differently in child porn stats.

Still, at least I gave you stats...what have you given me? Your own opinion!

I feel sad that there are ppl who think like you. All these little 8-11 yrs old girls being pop stars, dressing cute, moaning in an audience of all males...and you see nothing wrong with it? What are you, a pedo?

This why child sex tourism and pornography flourish, becuz ppl like you see nothing wrong with it.
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First of all 1998. Do you remember 1998? Half the people in the US didn't know how to email back then! Alot has changed.

Secondly, Olsen Twins.
RentonWong
Kawaii!
b1ackcloud
The studies were done, but that report came out 2004 or later. Reading other material and they are similiar. If the studies were different, I would assume that they would release a more recent studey, but they didn't. Japan is the leading source of child pornography! If i'm wrong, then i welcome studies that counter it. Otherwise, it's not unusual since there's such a pedo theme in Japanese society regardless of the internet.

Alot has change and it's very likely that Japan has been producing child porn in record numbers...have you not consider that instead of being defensive and looking the other way?

Olsen Twins? And? Do they target a male audience? Most of their fans are little girls like themselves. When olsen twins appear at the mall, it's not a flock of grown men...mostly little kids. Japanes child pop stars have huge male audience.

There's a pedo theme in Japan where old women talk like little girls. Anime are full of little girls acting sexual. Little pop stars moaning. Plus the stats.

Why not do some research and go against what i'm saying instead of just being defensive with your opinion? PPL like you are part of the problem cuz you see nothing wrong with it.

QUOTE (Thanol @ Feb 20 2006, 08:57 PM)
First of all 1998.  Do you remember 1998?  Half the people in the US didn't know how to email back then!  Alot has changed.

Secondly, Olsen Twins.
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Takashi
QUOTE (b1ackcloud @ Feb 21 2006, 01:42 AM)
It's a figure from 1998, but it is maybe one of the most comprehensive and lates study. Still, since 1999, though they had legislation to crack down, Japan is still a major producer. U actually think child porn originating from Japan fallen since then? If anything, it probably flourished.

Japan has a very perverted entertainment industry and it's very widespread and I doubt it's reflects differently in child porn stats.

Still, at least I gave you stats...what have you given me? Your own opinion!

I feel sad that there are ppl who think like you. All these little 8-11 yrs old girls being pop stars, dressing cute, moaning in an audience of all males...and you see nothing wrong with it? What are you, a pedo?

This why child sex tourism and pornography flourish, becuz ppl like you see nothing wrong with it.
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The fact that its in 1998 makes it recent how? Considering it mentions nothing about Japan since then but does so for the other places they obviously either didnt or couldnt update their info.
The amount may have increased but the percentage will most likely have decreased.

Grow up, I'm hardly going to search for child porn statistics on google unless I want a bunch of fu-ked up $hit to come up so no thanks Talktohand.gif

Like I said, if anything the correlation would be those 'art' photos, but I dont think you even know what I'm talking about when I say that icon_rolleyes.gif
Asan10
80% of web-based Child porn originated NOT from Japan

http://www.netfamilynews.org/sl990331.html
Copyright 1999 Net Family News, Inc.

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This week from CyberAngels

We're seeing progress in the battle against child pornography on the 'Net. Japan is key to that progress. Last week we sent Parry Aftab, CA's executive director, the following brief report from the AOP Bulletin, asking for her perspective on it (Parry is part of an international committee appointed by UNESCO to combat cybercrimes against children).

From the AOP Bulletin: "In the face of significant international criticism, Japan is moving to pass laws banning child pornography. With no such laws in place, Japan has been a haven for as many as 1,200 Web sites carrying kiddie porn. The new law will be considered by the Japanese Diet (Japan's legislature) as early as this summer."

Parry's comment:
"Recently the Japanese police have begun to crack down on cybercrimes in Japan. A Japanese woman was murdered by someone who ordered cyanide over the Internet last year. Cyberstalking and harrassment is up as well. The Japanese police have announced the formation of a special task force of 31 volunteer citizen groups in Japan, and Guardian Angels [CyberAngels's parent organization] was selected to join it. CyberAngels will help train the task force and Japanese citizen groups. (Guardian Angels has three chapters in Japan, and is growing rapidly to include a fourth.)

"The world law enforcement community will be watching this task force closely because Japan has become a worldwide center for online child pornography. This is largely due to the fact that Japan has no criminal laws against child pornography. Because Japanese obscenity laws require the display of pubic hair, which younger children do not have, the most heinous of all abuses of children exploits this loophole in Japanese law.

"The world's child-pornography production and distribution industry has taken advantage of this loophole, putting its child pornography sites on Japanese servers. Though a recent report put the number of child pornography sites served from Japan at approximately 1,200, Cyberangels's and SOC-UM's Net Patrol teams, which search out child pornography sites around the world for law enforcement action, believe that number is much higher. More than a third of all child pornography sites they find are housed in Japan, and each site can have hundreds of images. (These are not the 'teen sites' advertised - most of the children are under 10 years old.)

"A recent television documentary and various news reports on CyberAngels have been aired on Japanese TV over the last month, as well as a series of newspapers articles written by a leading law-enforcement journalist in Japan. These reports have touched on how the global child pornography industry has abused Japanese hospitality. Tough child pornography laws are now being proposed there. Hopefully, the laws will be adopted and the Internet community will be able to count on Japan to join in the worldwide fight to stop the sexual abuse of children. We could use their help!

"I've been appointed by UNESCO to help setup a worldwide tipline for cybercrimes, and a helpline for children who have been sexually abused. If you're interested in joining in the fight against child pornography online, drop by the cyberangels.org site and volunteer for Net Patrol."
Makeshift Universe
Statistics, pages per capita. Courtesy yours truly.

USA 2004 = 10.084 (3,6 pages per capita.)
Japan 2004 = 1.679 (1,4 pages per capita.)
shiro
QUOTE (b1ackcloud @ Feb 20 2006, 04:27 PM)
Last time I check, it's not normal for adult women in the US to speak like little children. Not common for girl pop stars to have adult male audience. Very rare to hear about compesated dating between young teens and older adults. Maybe that's why we're not big on child porn sites here?
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I'd have thought compensated dating would lower the need for porn sites, as these people are having sex.
Also, America isn't exactly know for sexual cleanliness.
I get childporn and beastiality spam in my Hotmail from time to time; I don't know how much is just my friends being jackasses and submitting my e-mail somewhere and how much is real unsolicited spam, but I don't need to see either of that.
As far as the music industry, the younger female singers may not aim specifically at a male audience, but they still manage to teach little girls how to act like sluts.

As far as speaking like little children, that is a cultural thing.
It would be far more disturbing if only half the women spoke like little girls, while the rest spoke like your standard of how a grown woman should sound.


Having said all that, Japan does have a serious problem with many forms of sexual deviance, not just pedophilia.
But that's not exactly the country's best kept secret.
The only reason you get backlash is because North America (yes, Canada is included in this) is full of idiots who think watching Dragonball Z and Sailor Moon reruns in Japanese makes them cool.
If even half the people here had any depth of appreciation of Japanese culture, they would not be so offended when you point out a bad aspect in it, as they would already be aware that such a problem exists.
shiro
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toki
its true that the biggest porn industries in the world is america's. also did anyone see that Dateline special? these dectectives went online posing as a 13 yr old boy wanting to have sex with much older men. icon_confused.gif and almost all the guys came to the house with the intent later to find out the cameras were there. including a rabbi icon_confused.gif

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this happens in so many countries. hidden sometimes.

now im not saying japan is more justified. i do think they have a lot of cleaning up to do. they used to have kogal (sp?) that was popular in the 90s where young girls as young as 6th grade will sell themselves to older men for a hefty price. definitely not the majority though. BUT there was an anti-kogal group. where these girls pretended to be selling themselves but instead a whole group of girls who beat the guy up embarassedlaugh.gif2 beerchug.gif beerchug.gif

again. not restricted to japan. but still they need to clean it up. that goes for other countries.
Takashi
QUOTE (toki @ Feb 21 2006, 09:53 PM)
now im not saying japan is more justified. i do think they have a lot of cleaning up to do. they used to have kogal (sp?) that was popular in the 90s where young girls as young as 6th grade will sell themselves to older men for a hefty price. definitely not the majority though. BUT there was an anti-kogal group. where these girls pretended to be selling themselves but instead a whole group of girls who beat the guy up  embarassedlaugh.gifbeerchug.gif  beerchug.gif

again. not restricted to japan. but still they need to clean it up. that goes for other countries.
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Kogal women are kinda like ganguro girls, they dont all sell themselves, thats a misconception, just a few do icon_confused.gif
toki
i did say: definitely not the majority though.

you're talking about the kogal/lolita fashion sense. and the ganguro girls have their own fashion sense. but i was specifically talking about those who do indeed do it. although a small minority of kogals. it used to be a sorta noticed thing in the 90s. glad thats died down.

but im not pointing out japan here specifically. too many countries are guilty of the same things.
changalator
Japanese watch a lot of porn, they are very healthy lol.
Takashi
QUOTE (changalator @ Feb 21 2006, 10:27 PM)
Japanese watch a lot of porn, they are very healthy lol.
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Considering this thread is about child porn that comment is in such poor taste.
shiro
QUOTE (toki @ Feb 22 2006, 06:53 AM)
now im not saying japan is more justified. i do think they have a lot of cleaning up to do. they used to have kogal (sp?) that was popular in the 90s where young girls as young as 6th grade will sell themselves to older men for a hefty price. definitely not the majority though. BUT there was an anti-kogal group. where these girls pretended to be selling themselves but instead a whole group of girls who beat the guy up  embarassedlaugh.gifbeerchug.gif  beerchug.gif
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yeah Pocket Bell! embarassedlaugh.gif
dedman
i live in america, we have just as many bad problems here. ITS ALL OVER the world. everywhere you go.its happening..

Drugs,sex,murder,suicide,ect.ect. only reason why some places get bashed is because the media and other source's give them a bad name.

kinda like celebrities. we dont know what they are doing till OH PAPA took a picture of so-so smoking WOW i didnt know they smoked.. I DONT LIKE Them nomore
dedman
i live in america, we have just as many bad problems here. ITS ALL OVER the world. everywhere you go.its happening..

Drugs,sex,murder,suicide,ect.ect. only reason why some places get bashed is because the media and other source's give them a bad name.

kinda like celebrities. we dont know what they are doing till OH PAPA took a picture of so-so smoking WOW i didnt know they smoked.. I DONT LIKE Them nomore
wang_zhu
J@ps are a bunch of sick bastards.

don't forget they're the same people that raped and killed millions of asians.
Takashi
QUOTE (wang_zhu @ Feb 26 2006, 02:45 PM)
J@ps are a bunch of sick bastards.

don't forget they're the same people that raped and killed millions of asians.
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Troll, reported Talktohand.gif
wang_zhu
QUOTE (Takashi @ Feb 26 2006, 09:48 AM)
Troll, reported Talktohand.gif
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Why am i a troll? everyday you read something about that country it's gotta be something about children getting raped or killed.

Doesn't that tell you that they're society is sick and rotten?
Takashi
QUOTE (wang_zhu @ Feb 26 2006, 02:56 PM)
Why am i a troll? everyday you read something about that country it's gotta be something about children getting raped or killed.

Doesn't that tell you that they're society is sick and rotten?
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Not particularly, considering most of the news in japan is about business/the economy and death. Considering when people post about business/the economy hardly anyone reads it they're obviously going to post the other stuff icon_confused.gif
Jasel
QUOTE (wang_zhu @ Feb 26 2006, 09:45 AM)
J@ps are a bunch of sick bastards.

don't forget they're the same people that raped and killed millions of asians.
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QUOTE (wang_zhu @ Feb 26 2006, 09:56 AM)
Why am i a troll? everyday you read something about that country it's gotta be something about children getting raped or killed.

Doesn't that tell you that they're society is sick and rotten?
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Are you serious? You can dig a bunch of news articles that make any country look bad. How many newspapers actually report good news icon_rolleyes.gif And most countries have commited their own atrocities and are responsible for a number of deaths. Keep racist comments like that to yourself.
swatus
QUOTE (ThyHorrorCosmic @ Feb 20 2006, 12:06 AM)
Disagree, IMO Japan doesn't focus on youth anymore than anyother country.
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I disagree. I think Japan still focus on youth. The problem is Japanese teenager nowaday doesnt want to keep thier culture. They just want to be a "WHITE" by dying their hair, wearing like a punk rock, talking Sh*t. Sigh. Should u guyz look at yourself before complaining on Japan goverment. ...Oke Dokey ... beerchug.gif
shiro
People can dye their hair without it meaning they want to belong to a different ethnic group.
Also, a large amount of Western fashion originates in Japan, and Japan's punk rock scene is very different from North America's.
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