Hmmm....Do you people consider Genghis Khan as a Chinese emperor or mongol ruler...? I consider him a mongol ruler...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060219/ts_af...cs_060219034610

Genghis Khan rules....

What an odd question. The whole world considers him a Mongol ruler, I don't know about people in china though, but I can speak for Central Asia, Russia, the US.

Genhgis is a Mongol, however his grandson Kublai can be considered "Emperor of China", though he was still ethnically Mongol.

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actually genghis khan was born in the modern day inner mongolia, which makes his nationality chinese but ethnicity mongolian

not totally sure tho

Was he part Middle Eastern too?

Those days Inner Mongolia was Mongolia and even China became Mongolia, which makes you a Mongol.

Do you realize what kinda of stupid ligics is that? He was Mongol period and those days nationality of his was Mongol.

but he was born in a place which is china of today

So? He didn't get a Chinese passport.
Do you pretend to be pathetic or it just happens naturally.

dont start yelling at ppl now or this thread will be close again.

I'm not yelling, I'm laughing, maybe a bit loud.

Don't forget China is continental country.China has Sinocentric mentality,her history incorporated all reigns or conquests as played out on the continent may it be Han or nomadic.

huh?

Genghis Khan was a Mongol empire builder,his military conquest included China and all the way out to Eastern Europe.China recorded Mongol control as YUAN Dynasty.

and does it somehow make Ghengis a chinese emperor? Did you bother to read the boa' question?

Ghengis Khan sparked a complex history of national identity. He himself however is mongolian.

I typically don't pay attention to boa's posts .... if you kmow I mean.

Yes ... He was a Mongol ruler on world stage,but China never denied the country was indeed under Mongol rule for some 100-200 years.

I don't know what you mean.

89 years

SORRY FOLKS, BUT GENGHIS KHAAN WAS BORN IN 1162 AT A PLACE CALLED "DELUUN BOLDOG", THAT IS NOW IN INDEPENDENT MONGOLIA'S KHENTII PROVINCE, AS A PRINCE OF "KHAMAG MONGOL" TRIBE
WE INVITE YOU TO VISIT MONGOLIA AND SEE THE LITTLE HILL ON WHICH THE GREATEST EMPEROR OF TIME WAS BORN!

You are the best. Your visit brings boredom to the end.

GENGHIS KHAN (WESTERNERS CALL SO) OR CHINGGIS KHAAN WAS A MONGOL RULER

I rather not read un-intellegent posts.

then why u bother clicking on my thread? plus my post are intelligent

I also invite you guys to visit China and visit the tomb of Emperor Yongle, the second emperor of Ming. He showed Mongolian people the way back to Mongolia on the other side of Great Wall. And, he helped Karakorum get resting place inside the sand. And, he did not kill all the Mongol people. Only 70,000 and some slaves. The rest he let go free in the desert and tundra. Chinese govt. should celebrate Yongle Emperor too. Yongle would have been a good friend of Mongol people.

Was Yongle the Ming king who herded sheep and slept outside for some 15 years in Mongolia after being taken as a hostage?

^No that was his grandson. Yongle would not even give you the chance to do that to him. If it was not for the trouble caused by Tamerlane in western parts, Yongle would have gone on to finish what he almost completed in Mongolia. He was getting ready for another expedition to Mongolia, but old age struck him and he died on a hunting trip. You should be happy for that.

Genghis Khan is the greatest warrior of all time. Imagine what he would do if he is ruling China right now. He would be invading Taiwan and have a show down with the mighty US! hah! what a show!

Genghis Khan is obviously Mongolian. PRC's claim is just to minimize any ethnic tensions that may cause social stife.

But I consider GK to be quite ruthless. Close to an Adolf Hitler of the middle-ages. Yup.

Those ancient Nomadic Mongols were WARLIKE people,there is a chance they can defeat today's #1 SUPERPOWER America.

Glad to learn that there was a Chinese king good at wars . He must have learnt a lot from us though, good for ya!

You don't know much about history do you?

I have some little knowledge on Mongolian history, my history teacher was great but I have almost forgotten most of the history he taught me... And I have almost no info on Chinese or other countries' history , indeed. I'm glad to learn everytime

^Please learn this too:

Genghis Khan would have had no chance against our greatest military emperors:

1) Tang Dynasty Emperor--Li Shimin

2) Han Dynasty Emperor--Wudi

Both have defeated nomads all their lives.

U must be out of ur mind or
ur mind hasn't developed since u were 5 2 2
shame on u , how come a 21st century man talk like this???

^You were the one who said Chinese kings needed to learn the military way of your Mongol culture. I showed you examples of Chinese kings who fought with their own sword even before Mongols existed as a people. It is indeed the 21st cent. Times have changed, but spirit never changes.

Look at English people. They wish for the return of King Arthur. Look at your Mongol people. They wish for the return of Genghis Khan. It is not a crime for me to wish for my Chinese people to get back Emperor Li Shimin with his magical sword.

Let the child dream.

Why would you erect a statue of somebody that raped and murdeured so many people? While there at it they might as well just erect statues of all the japanese soldiers and generals who raped and murdeured us too! This is one of the stupidest moves by the chinese government I have ever seen. So much for national pride. The guy was scum and if he was alive today they should have ripped his veins out and strangle him alive with it not erecting statues of this motherf*cker. Its the mongolian people that worship him let them erect stautes not us were chinese and completely different we have no business doing this. This is a disgrace and a slap in the face to the millions of chinese and others who died during his rampages.

Well, he was after all the leader of the Yuan Dynasty, therefore he's still part of Chinese history nonetheless. But as the world's greatest conqueror, I don't think so. I'd say Nurhaci was up against even more odds when he overthrew the Ming than Genghis Khan with the Song (which is one of China's weakest military wise). But damn...if only he successfully invaded Japan LOL. Well, no $hit he's Mongol, however the center of his power lied within China, therefore I'd say the Yuan was Chinese, albeit ruled by a ruthless bastard.

Nurhaci overthrew the Ming? I thought the Ming dynasty was already at her limit when Manchu came to power. Ming wasnt overthrew by the Manchus but by Li Zi Cheng (great Chinese rebel lord who unfortunetly know nothing about international situation). If the Manchus didnt come we would have the Shuen dynasty!

Well, let me rephrase. The Qing took over after the collapse of the Ming. And yeah I know about the rebel, but the Ming still had a sizable force in the south.

mongorians break down my wall

Think about it people. We have a statue of a foreign leader of an army that raped and pillaged our country and people. On the other hand china has had alot of people that actually liberated chinese culture worldwide and helped to make our country better most notably Bruce Lee. And yet we don't even have a statue of him erected in china and were going to put one up of genghis khan before bruce lee and nobody here sees anything wrong with that. Did I just step into the twilight zone or am I the only one here who thinks this is royally f*cked up.

We also have a statue of Norman Bethune, a foreigner, but he clearly deserves to have one in his honor. The reason why we even have statues of people like Genghis Khan is because we don't discriminate against non-Han/non-Chinese. Our official 56 minorities in China are a clear example of our respect for other cultures. Some people, such as Khatun, have to get it through to their heads that us Chinese have nothing against Mongolians or anyone else in general. There may be occasional weirdos like Qlittlemon (sp?), or the trolling Chinese member Khatun was talking about earlier, but you gotta understand that the overall consensus is that we Chinese do not have any ill feelings towards Mongolians or whoever else. Actually, before any Mongolians came into here spouting negativity, I thought fondly of them as an interesting people. I wasn't even aware that there should be tensions between us at all.

But to answer your question, yes, I think there definitely should be a Bruce Lee statue. OMG, Bruce Lee!

I respect the fact that china has so much love towards all ethnicities including mongolians but we can give them respect without putting up a statue of genghis khan and glorifying his killing sprees. Would a jewish person build a statue of hitler just because he was a great leader? NO, would america put up a statue of bin laden just because he was a clever strategist and mastermind?No. so why should we put up a statue of genghis khan just because people were impressed by his so called feats??? You'll never convince me that this is right I feel this is throwing our pride and dignity out the window and spitting on the graves of those that were raped killed and starved to death by this lunatic. Theres also that danger of the double standard that we give to the japanese but not to the mongolians. How foolish does it make us look when we constantly harp on them about the atrocities of WW2 when they killed 400,000 people but yet when it comes to a person who killed millions of chinese people we build a damn statue in his honor?? Where is the common sense in that? As far as Im concerned anybody or country that has ever raped and invaded our country and killed does not deserve this kind of recognition and I find it infuriating that people would do this. Its 2006 when are we going to learn to stop embarassing ourselves and start setting our eyes on the bigger prizes in life like respect and longevity instead of the decades of torment and embarassment at the hands of foreign countries and armies because we were to damn nice and not forthcoming enough about our honor and respect!

I totally understand where you're coming from, but wasn't there a Mongolian long-lasting dynasty that was once established in China before? Perhaps that's the reason why.

I don't know and quite frankly I don't care. Recently I heard that Siberia or some other country put up a statue of bruce lee in honor of his memory of him and here we are (China) is putting up a statue of (Genghis Khan) sombody who I perceive to be lower then bug s*it and we don't even have a statue of the greatest martial artist who ever lived. Somebody who lived and died representing our people and country. Really f*cked up and disrespectful. I know alot of chinese people including myself who would DONATE personal money to have a statue of Bruce Lee erected in china and rightfully so as well as all the other great chinese historians and political figures who have made a difference in our history instead of wasting our land, space, time and effort on some punk who didn't think twice about shooting an arrow in a babies face. Whats wrong with our world nowadays?

Agree, agree. I would be willing to donate any amount of money that I could afford for a statue of Bruce Lee or any other historical figure who deserves it. Hey, do you know if any Bruce Lee museums exist in Hong Kong/Mainland China?

Being 50% ethnic Mongol, 50% Han, and 100% Chinese...

I do believe that Ghengis Khan is Chinese in the "Da Zhonghua" concept. All various 55 ethnic groups are intrinsic to the history of modern China.

Sometimes I worry about the mentality and priorities of chinese people. If I was prime minister of china there would be so many changes for the better heads will be spinning.