I think that because of the latest escalations we forgot to develop Mongolian cultural topics here.
Do Mongolians practice shamanism.? Is there any elements of shamanism in modern days culture?
I know that Buryads managed to preserve Shamanism to certain extent. I find it very interesting. I think that all through Central Asia you could find the roots of animistic beliefs here and there- masked or obvious like trees with colourful bands on them.
Your thought on this subjects.
Full Version: Shamanism in Mongolian culture
I posted this in Korean Chat,
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do they still hang some things on three's to wish something in shamanistic belief out there? it is so in here and is also shamanistic belief.
some example's,
or something like this,
some example's,
or something like this,
Yes, we do practice shamanism in Mongolia still. Some ethnic groups like the Tsaatan (a part of Uriankhai, Reinder keepers), Darkhad etc, mostly living in the northern part of the country, are shamanists. We have many shamans from both genders. Male shamans are called "Zairan" and female shamans are called "Udgan". 
Funny, most of the Mongolians are Buddhists, but we can believe in shamanism at the same time. For example, my uncle is a big lama (having studied in India for 8 years and is a good student of the Dalai Lama) here and we really are Buddhist believers but we sometimes go and see shamans
Funny, most of the Mongolians are Buddhists, but we can believe in shamanism at the same time. For example, my uncle is a big lama (having studied in India for 8 years and is a good student of the Dalai Lama) here and we really are Buddhist believers but we sometimes go and see shamans
^that's just how it is in Korea. Many Korean Buddhists also visit shamans. That's because Buddhism is a tolerant religion, unlike Christianity.
Oh yeah, Buddhism is a tolerant religion.
Most of the Mongolians are Buddhists as I wrote above, some shamanists and Muslims we have, also we have a few Christians, but Mongolia is a still very peaceful country. It's because of Buddhism... Beautiful...
In Mongolian culture, you can see a lot of Buddhist and shamanist influences .
Most of the Mongolians are Buddhists as I wrote above, some shamanists and Muslims we have, also we have a few Christians, but Mongolia is a still very peaceful country. It's because of Buddhism... Beautiful...
In Mongolian culture, you can see a lot of Buddhist and shamanist influences
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I don't think we're a peaceful country just because we believe in Buddhism, we were just tolerant to every religion from the start.. i believe it's in our mentality..
QUOTE (Bitterlemon @ Feb 23 2006, 12:22 PM)
Yes, we do practice shamanism in Mongolia still. Some ethnic groups like the Tsaatan (a part of Uriankhai, Reinder keepers), Darkhad etc, mostly living in the northern part of the country, are shamanists. We have many shamans from both genders. Male shamans are called "Zairan" and female shamans are called "Udgan".
Funny, most of the Mongolians are Buddhists, but we can believe in shamanism at the same time. For example, my uncle is a big lama (having studied in India for 8 years and is a good student of the Dalai Lama) here and we really are Buddhist believers but we sometimes go and see shamans
Funny, most of the Mongolians are Buddhists, but we can believe in shamanism at the same time. For example, my uncle is a big lama (having studied in India for 8 years and is a good student of the Dalai Lama) here and we really are Buddhist believers but we sometimes go and see shamans
In what way are the Tsaatan different from other Mongols? Is it just a different dialect or a different ethnicity altogether?
Do the Shamans read the oracle? What do they use to read the oracles?
QUOTE (blob @ Feb 23 2006, 08:14 PM)
In what way are the Tsaatan different from other Mongols? Is it just a different dialect or a different ethnicity altogether?
The Tsaatan people live in huts and breed reindeers. They inhabit the northernmost part of the country, particularly the high Huvsgul mountains, Darkhad Depressions and the taiga
. They are from Turkic origin and have different language than us, not just a Mongolian dialect but they speak in a different language. Of course, most of them can speak in Mongolian but have a very strange dialect. 
QUOTE (mngchic @ Feb 23 2006, 04:32 PM)
I don't think we're a peaceful country just because we believe in Buddhism, we were just tolerant to every religion from the start.. i believe it's in our mentality..
No, mngchic. Imagine if we were Muslims or shamanists... We wouldn't be tolerant like we are now... We weren't tolerant in the 13th century as we were shamanists, so you know what happened then ...
QUOTE (Bitterlemon @ Feb 24 2006, 03:42 AM)
No, mngchic. Imagine if we were Muslims or shamanists... We wouldn't be tolerant like we are now... We weren't tolerant in the 13th century as we were shamanists, so you know what happened then ...
It claims everywhere even in the The Secret History of the Mongols that Chinggis Khaan was tolerant to every religion throughout his empire, he did not force people to leave their religion, he understood how religion was important to every culture,and he was an influential figure in the 13th century
,..And I don't think Shamanism had to do with us being warrior like!!
yes, i agree with all off the above. and to add, shamanism is present in the version of buddhism practiced in mongolia too. i know that the whole concept of "lus", "savdag" is an element of earlier naturalist faiths that were later incorporated together into tantric buddhism, adjusting it to fit the lifestyle of our forebearers.
also, i would be careful in calling the reindeer people as "tsaatan". i know it sounds just like its equivalents in english (reindeer people), and russian (olenevody). the ones in mongolia call themselves "dukha", and i would rather respect that even though i belong to the khalkha "tribe".
finally, mongolia is a uniform nation-state. it's true that some like the buryats and dukha speak a different dialect and specific vocabularies vary. however, it's still one language that is shared with even kalmyks in russia. i wouldn't like to consider these tribes as significantly different from each other which prevents them from belonging to one ethnic group called mongols.
also, i would be careful in calling the reindeer people as "tsaatan". i know it sounds just like its equivalents in english (reindeer people), and russian (olenevody). the ones in mongolia call themselves "dukha", and i would rather respect that even though i belong to the khalkha "tribe".
finally, mongolia is a uniform nation-state. it's true that some like the buryats and dukha speak a different dialect and specific vocabularies vary. however, it's still one language that is shared with even kalmyks in russia. i wouldn't like to consider these tribes as significantly different from each other which prevents them from belonging to one ethnic group called mongols.
Mongolian Shamanism is always been in its primitive stage, maybe it is because that is how shamanism supposed to be. Arrival of Buddhism has challenged Shamanism, but somehow these to mixed. Mongolian Buddhism is not pure form of Buddhism. Buddhist monks not supposed to marry or kill animal, in Mongolia those monks still marry, some of them even babnik, they like to eat meat which from killed animal....To Mongols, Buddhism influenced positively in its beginning. Unnecessary bloodshed is reduced a lot. Shamans were not influential person at all, when they were needed, they were called.
Lamas were influential in many areas including politic in old time. Buddhist lamas are not tolerant, as some say.
Lamas were influential in many areas including politic in old time. Buddhist lamas are not tolerant, as some say.
we have many shamanistic elements in our daly life also in the way how we practise Islam is also influenced by shamanistic features. Few examples:
-people say: "Tengri is upstears of you": wich derrived of shamanistic belief who pointed God as Sky and believed it is everywhere.
-Rain rituels: people in here still go with a imam(before islam it whas with a kam) to pray to god for rain.
-the "wish-threes": people hang a lovely peace of their old cloths to wish something
-the blue eye: some say its more then 30 000 year old tradition because on a cave in eastern Turkistan (uygur region) they found a cave with the same "object" as the blue eye but it resembled God upon people. Mostly they are used for bringing luck.
-people say: "Tengri is upstears of you": wich derrived of shamanistic belief who pointed God as Sky and believed it is everywhere.
-Rain rituels: people in here still go with a imam(before islam it whas with a kam) to pray to god for rain.
-the "wish-threes": people hang a lovely peace of their old cloths to wish something
-the blue eye: some say its more then 30 000 year old tradition because on a cave in eastern Turkistan (uygur region) they found a cave with the same "object" as the blue eye but it resembled God upon people. Mostly they are used for bringing luck.
I think shamanism was too cruel, that's why Altan Khan converted Mongolia into Buddhism. I was also taught so. You remember,
"...Making 100 mothers cry by killing their babies
Making 100 camels weep by killing their baby camels..."
it was an example of shamanist sacrifices to heal a Khan's son or loved ones, or to please the Tengri...
Shamanism was too cruel and too harsh for the poor... The Mongolians needed a religion that could make the mass peaceful and tolerant...
Everyone knows that genghis Khaan was very bright and let every religion free...
"...Making 100 mothers cry by killing their babies
Making 100 camels weep by killing their baby camels..."
it was an example of shamanist sacrifices to heal a Khan's son or loved ones, or to please the Tengri...
Shamanism was too cruel and too harsh for the poor... The Mongolians needed a religion that could make the mass peaceful and tolerant...
Everyone knows that genghis Khaan was very bright and let every religion free...
QUOTE (Bitterlemon @ Feb 25 2006, 12:14 AM)
I think shamanism was too cruel, that's why Altan Khan converted Mongolia into Buddhism. I was also taught so. You remember,
"...Making 100 mothers cry by killing their babies
Making 100 camels weep by killing their baby camels..."
it was an example of shamanist sacrifices to heal a Khan's son or loved ones, or to please the Tengri...
Shamanism was too cruel and too harsh for the poor... The Mongolians needed a religion that could make the mass peaceful and tolerant...
Everyone knows that genghis Khaan was very bright and let every religion free...
"...Making 100 mothers cry by killing their babies
Making 100 camels weep by killing their baby camels..."
it was an example of shamanist sacrifices to heal a Khan's son or loved ones, or to please the Tengri...
Shamanism was too cruel and too harsh for the poor... The Mongolians needed a religion that could make the mass peaceful and tolerant...
Everyone knows that genghis Khaan was very bright and let every religion free...
christianity is much better
that's supposed to be sarcasm right? lol
i think he's serious.. 
QUOTE (Anda @ Feb 26 2006, 03:31 AM)
christianity is much better
yeah sure come to Cathédrale de Notre Dame and beg chanting that slogan. they might give you food.
it makes more sense to develop ours rather than to copy from others. especially when the question is about beliefs. that's the whole point of standing as a separate culture right? a tree with rotten roots is as good as one that's dead.
it's disappointing to see a mongolian write this in english. what a waste...
QUOTE (mongolhuu @ Feb 26 2006, 08:10 AM)
i think he's serious..
Oh yeah brother, i am dead serious
it's not like I'm religious, but being a Mongolian is a religion in itself. heads up.
QUOTE (monguliano @ Feb 26 2006, 09:10 AM)
yeah sure come to Cathédrale de Notre Dame and beg chanting that slogan. they might give you food.
it makes more sense to develop ours rather than to copy from others. especially when the question is about beliefs. that's the whole point of standing as a separate culture right? a tree with rotten roots is as good as one that's dead.
it's disappointing to see a mongolian write this in english. what a waste...
it makes more sense to develop ours rather than to copy from others. especially when the question is about beliefs. that's the whole point of standing as a separate culture right? a tree with rotten roots is as good as one that's dead.
it's disappointing to see a mongolian write this in english. what a waste...
Please don't disappoint, I am still Mongolian to the bone. But I am grown up as a christian in Mongolia. By being a christian, i did nothing wrong to Mongolia.
By the way, i am pretty much disgusted with lots of so called traditional behaviour including lamaism.
QUOTE (monguliano @ Feb 26 2006, 10:04 AM)
it's not like I'm religious, but being a Mongolian is a religion in itself. heads up.
I agree with you being Mongolian is a religion. I am so into this religion since i started AF. I just can not stand those guys, you whom i meant
hey whatever makes you happy. after all, our constitution cites religious freedom.
you might not have done anything wrong, but i'd feel sorry if a lot of us took things so lightly.
i sorta feel that freedom you're given should be used with due respect to everyone before us that fought for it.
you might not have done anything wrong, but i'd feel sorry if a lot of us took things so lightly.
i sorta feel that freedom you're given should be used with due respect to everyone before us that fought for it.
QUOTE (Anda @ Feb 26 2006, 06:31 PM)
I agree with you being Mongolian is a religion. I am so into this religion since i started AF. I just can not stand those guys, you whom i meant
i know!
There's some dead on relationship between Mongolian and Corean culture.
Awesome!
I am still clinging to my belief that Coreans are descendants from Mongolia.
I think Coreans, Mongols and Manchurians are highly related to one another.
Coreans practice shamanism, and so do the Mongols.
Plus a lot of the Mongolian pictures I've seen posted here look almost exactly like Corean people.
Awesome!
I am still clinging to my belief that Coreans are descendants from Mongolia.
I think Coreans, Mongols and Manchurians are highly related to one another.
Coreans practice shamanism, and so do the Mongols.
Plus a lot of the Mongolian pictures I've seen posted here look almost exactly like Corean people.
QUOTE (BahDukeplayer @ Mar 3 2006, 03:48 AM)
There's some dead on relationship between Mongolian and Corean culture.
Awesome!
I am still clinging to my belief that Coreans are descendants from Mongolia.
I think Coreans, Mongols and Manchurians are highly related to one another.
Coreans practice shamanism, and so do the Mongols.
Plus a lot of the Mongolian pictures I've seen posted here look almost exactly like Corean people.
Awesome!
I am still clinging to my belief that Coreans are descendants from Mongolia.
I think Coreans, Mongols and Manchurians are highly related to one another.
Coreans practice shamanism, and so do the Mongols.
Plus a lot of the Mongolian pictures I've seen posted here look almost exactly like Corean people.
you mean korea is that right
Found an interesting site and am sharing.
Mongolian shamanist beliefs are monotheistic. Meaning the spirit is what exists everywhere around the nomad who comes to life, grows up, and dies on a horseback. Back to the primitive humanism.
"la vraie vie"
The link
Mongolian shamanist beliefs are monotheistic. Meaning the spirit is what exists everywhere around the nomad who comes to life, grows up, and dies on a horseback. Back to the primitive humanism.
"la vraie vie"
The link
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The world of the shaman in Siberia and Central Asia, especially of the Mongols, Buryats and Tungus people (Evenks) are related with the Turk people in the Altai, Khakasia and Tuva and with the bon religion from Tibet. Today northern Mongolian groups (Darkhad, Tsaatan, Hotgoit, and others), northeastern Mongols (Buryat and Hamnigan) and western Mongols (Urianhai) as well as some of the Khalh Mongols still maintain the ancient shamanic traditions. This phenomena are still present. Shamans practices an animistic religion (animism - magico-religious thinking) with several of believes with different characters. The concepts between soul and spirit, declaring that only human beings had soul, while spirit was an abstract notion that could be related to a wide spectrum of natural phenomena. The opinion that animism must have developed from the dream experience, where people generally feel as if they existed independently of their bodies, flying. In short, the soul take "journeys" outside the body. During such dream journeys they could see dead relatives, friends, or their spirits.
The central in this will be the worship of the Blue Mighty Eternal Heaven (Köke tengri, Erketü tengri and Möngke tengri). There are a total of 99 Tengris (sky-spirits) or Heavenly creatures in the lower and upper world. In which Köke Möngke Tengri (Eternal Blue Heaven) is the higest. He is the creator of the visible and invisible world. In the Asian mythologies it is referred to such as a monotheistic world with multiple Gods (Lords). The next to Köke Möngke Tengri is the Qurmusata King. He has a special relation with the origin of fire. People said that: “Buddha struck the light and Qurmusata Tengri heat the fire”. The fire is sacred for this people. One of this rules say: "To never stamp out the fire, or put rubbish or water on it".
The central in this will be the worship of the Blue Mighty Eternal Heaven (Köke tengri, Erketü tengri and Möngke tengri). There are a total of 99 Tengris (sky-spirits) or Heavenly creatures in the lower and upper world. In which Köke Möngke Tengri (Eternal Blue Heaven) is the higest. He is the creator of the visible and invisible world. In the Asian mythologies it is referred to such as a monotheistic world with multiple Gods (Lords). The next to Köke Möngke Tengri is the Qurmusata King. He has a special relation with the origin of fire. People said that: “Buddha struck the light and Qurmusata Tengri heat the fire”. The fire is sacred for this people. One of this rules say: "To never stamp out the fire, or put rubbish or water on it".
Nothing wrong with shamanism. If you lose your culture it is very hrd to get back. Especially shamanism because they are chosen and not converted like other religions.
Shamanism still exists under Turks from Turkey, a nice example here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvujqbH6lak&search=sertab
watch the clib and there you see the wish-tree
watch the clib and there you see the wish-tree
Very nice!
Too bad there isnt more information about it. Sounds interesting.
Too bad there isnt more information about it. Sounds interesting.
All Turks from Turkey are not muslim. They are 20 million of kizilbash Turkmens (alevi) in Turkey. Kizilbash are shaman and not shii muslim.
i perefer saying Tengriism instead of shamanism. do you call christians monkist or muslims imamist ?
i am a Tengriist by the way.
i am a Tengriist by the way.
dont the hmongs practice shamanism also? wheres the origin of this religion?
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i perefer saying Tengriism instead of shamanism. do you call christians monkist or muslims imamist ?
i am a Tengriist by the way.
I'm curious now. Do you think Tengriism is slowly disapearing? Are you planning to preserve it for the next generation?
QUOTE(nombaingsachko @ Jul 24 2006, 04:50 PM) [snapback]2085420[/snapback]
dont the hmongs practice shamanism also? wheres the origin of this religion?
Yes Hmong have it too. A little different but essentially the power of nature is respected. Nobody knows whats the origin of shamanism is. It started with the first human beings.
MONGOLIA-KOREA SHAMANISTS WORSHIP THE SKY
Mongolia and the Republic of Korea are co-organizing the festival "Steppe Echo" of the two countries folk arts for the 800th anniversary of the Great Mongol Empire. On Friday, a ceremony of worshipping the sky was held in the Bogd Khaan Mountain under the festival. A State shaman of Mongolia and a Republic of Korean shamanist performed the ceremony. In the future, such ceremony will be traditionally launched
Mongolia and the Republic of Korea are co-organizing the festival "Steppe Echo" of the two countries folk arts for the 800th anniversary of the Great Mongol Empire. On Friday, a ceremony of worshipping the sky was held in the Bogd Khaan Mountain under the festival. A State shaman of Mongolia and a Republic of Korean shamanist performed the ceremony. In the future, such ceremony will be traditionally launched
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interesting man, would love to know more about shamanism
One of those women looks like a Korean.
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Pics of modern day Korean Shamanism:
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All Turks from Turkey are not muslim. They are 20 million of kizilbash Turkmens (alevi) in Turkey. Kizilbash are shaman and not shii muslim.
yes they are and alot of them were ayatollahs
so don't me ignorant about this.
Kizilbashi = Redhead? Isn't that some Azeri clan?
there a Turkmen clan living in Northern Iraq(mosul)
thats a reason why Turkey has problem with the Iraq issue of teh US
thats a reason why Turkey has problem with the Iraq issue of teh US
QUOTE(Anda @ Feb 25 2006, 09:31 PM) [snapback]1590160[/snapback]
christianity is much better
Any logic behind that or is that what your Korean missionary friends trained you to parrot?
hey STFU
anda has the right to his own oppinion
I respect him
anda has the right to his own oppinion
I respect him
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hey STFU
anda has the right to his own oppinion
I respect him
anda has the right to his own oppinion
I respect him
Good for you.
He never gave a reason for his comment.
So STFU and go bend over for him.
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