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Najjiah
anak sa labas means child out of wedlock.

in pinoy culture, its quite frequent. mas lalo na mga kalalakihan. pati nga ang kuya ko ay may anak sa labas. nag confess na sha sa mrs nya so tanggap na talaga yung bata. but still.... its like a secondary kind of love.

sometimes, especially in my family tree, pinapatulan pati ang mga maid. basta't bata pa, sariwa, at medjo maputi... tepok na.

its sad. i really feel sorry for the kids kasi kahit ano pa, their mothers are no better than 3rd class concubines. unlike the wife whose kids take precedence over any illegitimate offspring, the concubines very seldom get compensated financially. kaya nga nakaka-awa talaga.

so my question is... should children out of wedlock have any rights? halimbawa, kung mamatay ang tatay nila, at hindi sila binigyan ng claim at pangalan.... may habol pa ba ang mga anak sa labas? ano po ba sa tingin nyo?

discuss.
k3n5i
of course they should...it's not their fault their stupid fathers couldn't stay on one wife....
Datu Mandub
In the Philippine family code today, Iligitimate child is entitled to an equal share.

Anyway, bastards are not really bad as we most of us understand. I see bastards as having an honorable birth but falls on the other side of the bed sheet.

The Bible and the Qur'an are full of bastards but they are very honorable people. I just don't understand why our culture today subscribe to the idea that bastards are dishonorable....
ay_naku
nope they are not entitled to equal share...they are only entitled to half the share of a legitimate child.....provided they were even recognized by their father.....otherwise sorry na lang sya!!!
Najjiah
QUOTE (Datu Mandub @ Feb 28 2006, 06:03 PM) *
In the Philippine family code today, Iligitimate child is entitled to an equal share.

Anyway, bastards are not really bad as we most of us understand. I see bastards as having an honorable birth but falls on the other side of the bed sheet.

The Bible and the Qur'an are full of bastards but they are very honorable people. I just don't understand why our culture today subscribe to the idea that bastards are dishonorable....

because in our culture, a father's name means everything. philippine law always favors the paternal side. a father's name could ultimately mean success in society, wheras a bastard child is no better than an orphan since a mother's claim is not valid in our country. icon_sad.gif
GinZing
There's no kind of honor code for bastard children here in the U.S. There are kids who are born out of wedlock and the parents stay together, but never get married... so .. if the father runs out and impregnates another woman, it's no one's loss because there was no marriage to begin with. ... . That was probably confusing. Oh well.

If two people are married and the guy runs out and knocks up another woman, as long as his mistress can prove that the child is his, then he better have some money for child support because he's legally obligated to help take care of the child's financial needs.

I don't know how it all works in the Phils., but that's how it goes in the U.S.
Taal-Lakawan
QUOTE (Najjiah @ Feb 28 2006, 05:49 AM) *
anak sa labas means child out of wedlock.

in pinoy culture, its quite frequent. mas lalo na mga kalalakihan. pati nga ang kuya ko ay may anak sa labas. nag confess na sha sa mrs nya so tanggap na talaga yung bata. but still.... its like a secondary kind of love.

sometimes, especially in my family tree, pinapatulan pati ang mga maid. basta't bata pa, sariwa, at medjo maputi... tepok na.

its sad. i really feel sorry for the kids kasi kahit ano pa, their mothers are no better than 3rd class concubines. unlike the wife whose kids take precedence over any illegitimate offspring, the concubines very seldom get compensated financially. kaya nga nakaka-awa talaga.

so my question is... should children out of wedlock have any rights? halimbawa, kung mamatay ang tatay nila, at hindi sila binigyan ng claim at pangalan.... may habol pa ba ang mga anak sa labas? ano po ba sa tingin nyo?

discuss.


Najjiah, makabubuti sa lahat ng mga Pilipino na tayo'y may mga batas na nagbibigay ng lubos o parehong karapatan o sustento na pareho ng sa primerang familya para sa mga kababaihang may "anak sa labas" ng sa gayo'y ang kalagayan sa buhay ng mga malamang na puedeng maging mga biktima -- lalung-lalo na ng mga pobreng mga kababaihan -- ay hindi maabuso ng mga kalalakihan -- o itong masamang naging kaugaliang ito'y mapahintuan -- lalung-lalo na ng mga mangangalakal na mga Intsik (Chinese business factory owners) na ang mga madalas na mga biktima ay itong mga pobreng Pilipina na nangingitulong (hosemaid) sa kanila.

At dahilan sa ngayo'y ang mga biktimang ito'y --Ina at ng kanyang "anak sa labas" -- ay hindi lubos na nasusustentuhan, ay napananatilian natin ang kapubrehang buhay ng karamihan sa ating mga mamayan. Hindi ka puedeng makaunlad sa buhay kung wala kang sapat na pinagaralan -- subalit, hindi ka puedeng makakuha ng sapat na kaaralan/karunungan kung wala kang pera.
Najjiah
QUOTE (Taal-Lakawan @ Mar 5 2006, 07:54 PM) *
Najjiah, makabubuti sa lahat ng mga Pilipino na tayo'y may mga batas na nagbibigay ng lubos o parehong karapatan o sustento na pareho ng sa primerang familya para sa mga kababaihang may "anak sa labas" ng sa gayo'y ang kalagayan sa buhay ng mga malamang na puedeng maging mga biktima -- lalung-lalo na ng mga pobreng mga kababaihan -- ay hindi maabuso ng mga kalalakihan -- o itong masamang naging kaugaliang ito'y mapahintuan -- lalung-lalo na ng mga mangangalakal na mga Intsik (Chinese business factory owners) na ang mga madalas na mga biktima ay itong mga pobreng Pilipina na nangingitulong (hosemaid) sa kanila.

At dahilan sa ngayo'y ang mga biktimang ito'y --Ina at ng kanyang "anak sa labas" -- ay hindi lubos na nasusustentuhan, ay napananatilian natin ang kapubrehang buhay ng karamihan sa ating mga mamayan. Hindi ka puedeng makaunlad sa buhay kung wala kang sapat na pinagaralan -- subalit, hindi ka puedeng makakuha ng sapat na kaaralan/karunungan kung wala kang pera.
BRAVO!

first of all, let me say that napakagaling at napakalalim mong managalog. i'm fully in awe of ur execution of our national language. WOW.

okay... on with my reply. i agree with ur points exactly. ang kawawa talaga ang mga bata. yung tungkol naman sa mga intsik (wow, i always spelled it inchik lol), i feel that pinagsamantala lang nila ang mga babae pero hindi naman gumaganap ang babae ng paternal rights. actually, this is even an issue worth discussing here sa states, as well. more like it than not, hindi malulutas ang mga kabataan. the other kids, or first kids... they have an initial say if the 'new' sibling will be accepted or not. these kids might not want to share their money with what they think is a stranger. yun lang.

btw... saan ka bang natuto managalog ng ganyan? im thinkin of goin to city college for a semester of Pilipino just so i could talk like u. DAMN. u go wid yo bada$$ pinoy self, my brotha!
Taal-Lakawan
QUOTE (Najjiah @ Mar 6 2006, 02:43 PM) *
BRAVO!

first of all, let me say that napakagaling at napakalalim mong managalog. i'm fully in awe of ur execution of our national language. WOW.

okay... on with my reply. i agree with ur points exactly. ang kawawa talaga ang mga bata. yung tungkol naman sa mga intsik (wow, i always spelled it inchik lol), i feel that pinagsamantala lang nila ang mga babae pero hindi naman gumaganap ang babae ng paternal rights. actually, this is even an issue worth discussing here sa states, as well. more like it than not, hindi malulutas ang mga kabataan. the other kids, or first kids... they have an initial say if the 'new' sibling will be accepted or not. these kids might not want to share their money with what they think is a stranger. yun lang.

btw... saan ka bang natuto managalog ng ganyan? im thinkin of goin to city college for a semester of Pilipino just so i could talk like u. DAMN. u go wid yo bada$$ pinoy self, my brotha!


Najjiah, thank you very much for the compliment. You're the very first one who ever really noticed it. Actually, it's conssidered common where I came from -- Southern Tagalog of Luzon, which sometimes is referred to as Rizal's country, in a small farming community in Quezon (formerly Tayabas) Province.

In this region -- especially in Bulacan and Laguna -- there is a traditional artform that is called "Balagtasan".
This is performed on the stage where a man and a woman debates every issue that is handed to them by the moderator/judge who is called "Lakandiwa". The remarkable part of this spectacle is their manner of deliberation: It's in the form of poetry where every lines rhymes very poetically. The only explanation I have is that maybe they normally talk that way, because they have no prior knowledge of the topics when they were handed to them. I must admit that these artists's command of the Tagalog language is, to my mind, the most perfect and the most beautiful. (Of course the skill of the practioner of this artform varies: some are good, and some are not so good, etc., the spectacle is really a contest of wit.)

I don't know for sure if they teach this artform in Bulacan or Laguna, but if you want to experience beautiful Tagalog, these are the only places that I know of. Check with the government agencies of these Provinces if this spectacle is still being staged today (since I haven't been back home in a long while). And, to my mind, it would truly be a great loss if this unique artform disapears from us.

Also, I believe one of our national hero -- Francisco Balagtas -- held as our great poet -- from Panginay Bigaa (now Bulacan) is a practioner of this artform. In fact, I will not be surprised if the term "Balagtasan" actually came from his name (Balagtas).

By the way, my spelling of "Intsik" is Tagalog, because we do not have "C" in our Tagalog alphabet; however, I also see your spelling of "Inchik" every now and then in common usage.
JMAC
anak ako la labas....my dad was a bastard too...the guy was like a magician....*poof*
Datu Mandub
QUOTE (ay_naku @ Mar 2 2006, 05:20 AM) *
nope they are not entitled to equal share...they are only entitled to half the share of a legitimate child.....provided they were even recognized by their father.....otherwise sorry na lang sya!!!


Yes you are right, I am not an expert in law but there are some court decisions that bastards eventualy get equal share. Don't know how they do it.


QUOTE (Najjiah @ Mar 2 2006, 01:47 PM) *
because in our culture, a father's name means everything. philippine law always favors the paternal side. a father's name could ultimately mean success in society, wheras a bastard child is no better than an orphan since a mother's claim is not valid in our country. icon_sad.gif


As long as the father acknowledges the child then the child is entitled to the father's surname. It's now the prerogative of the mother.
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