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Sylar
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We mixed with some Cauasian tribes of those that moved from Europe or the middleeast into India then China.


which anthropologist says so? can you prove it?

it seems like you haven't provided any proofs here. icon_wink.gif



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Thus, to us hmongs, we have the recessive trait of blond blue eyes sometimes. that is for some of us.




A pic worth thousand words.




laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Hmongs trying soo hard to claim affiliation with a higher more known group .. its pathetic really...
moobie
blonde hair on asians is extremely ugly. but purple eyes would be cool o_o
tsoompwmywj
this is bull$hit, Hmong are not Aryan(caucasion) neither are we from Siberia, our homeland is Zhuolu along with Guizhou Hunan and some other area in China, why do we have blond hair and blue eyes? theres a cause and a reason to it, its "albino" which can happen to every ethnic group or being, notice that those Hmong in China does not have blond hairs and blue eyes like those outside, what does that tell everyone? another reason is French once invaded Indochina where those outside of China once migrated to which meant some of us(not me) are french descended, and whoever said the Hmong came from Siberia and are Aryan intermix with asian are a French missionary who(lack a throughout history study of the Hmong background) judged it from his own perspective.

whoever sure.gif among us(Hmong) claim we are Aryan really needs to look deep into your own history.
lilasiankid
QUOTE(tsoompwmywj @ Mar 15 2007, 09:06 PM) *

this is bull$hit, Hmong are not Aryan(caucasion) neither are we from Siberia, our homeland is Zhuolu along with Guizhou Hunan and some other area in China, why do we have blond hair and blue eyes? theres a cause and a reason to it, its "albino" which can happen to every ethnic group or being, notice that those Hmong in China does not have blond hairs and blue eyes like those outside, what does that tell everyone? another reason is French once invaded Indochina where those outside of China once migrated to which meant some of us(not me) are french descended, and whoever said the Hmong came from Siberia and are Aryan intermix with asian are a French missionary who(lack a throughout history study of the Hmong background) judged it from his own perspective.

whoever sure.gif among us(Hmong) claim we are Aryan really needs to look deep into your own history.


Yeahs...

Also, If that were true we'd be some big @$$ fu-kers like white people too. embarassedlaugh.gif
Sylar
QUOTE(lilasiankid @ Mar 15 2007, 11:47 PM) *

Yeahs...

Also, If that were true we'd be some big @$$ fu-kers like white people too. embarassedlaugh.gif

except that most hmongs are small.
thea

Everyone assumes light hair i.e. blondish or reddish hair is solely[b] a Western/European trait. Light hair is more common for Western people, but there are nonwestern people with light hair and sometimes eyes who have not mixed with Western people, such as isolated pockets of Australian aborigines and also Solomon Islanders. They have blond and reddish hair like the Hmong. However, the aborigines, Solomon Islanders and Hmong do not exhibit Western facial features.
In the case of recent mixing/intermarriages such as Eurasians,most though not all of the Eurasians I've seen seen and know of who do have blond hair tend to be only 1/4 Asian and their features lean more to the Western side.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/boaz/34770077...157600006836192
Benn
QUOTE(Sylar @ Mar 15 2007, 04:05 PM) *

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which anthropologist says so? can you prove it?

it seems like you haven't provided any proofs here. icon_wink.gif
A pic worth thousand words.
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Hmongs trying soo hard to claim affiliation with a higher more known group .. its pathetic really...


to this mother rucker.... madgo.gif

i started this topic jackass, again as stated before, it's too find our lost roots faggot fu-k. Not to measure up, u got a fu-kin problem w/ that.
Sylar
QUOTE(Benn @ Mar 18 2007, 03:19 PM) *

to this mother rucker.... madgo.gif

i started this topic jackass, again as stated before, it's too find our lost roots faggot fu-k. Not to measure up, u got a fu-kin problem w/ that.

then go read up some genetic haplogroup infors about your people,you will be suprised that hmongs are closely related to other se asians. whats up with hmongs trying to be east asian and now indo-europeans. inferior complex and inseurity at best

there are other isolated tribes that has blond hair,thats only because they are poor and lack of proper nutrition and other nutrition factors,like this soloman tribe. but i wouldn't call them mixed with the aryans like you do icon_wink.gif

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The early history of the Hmong is difficult to trace, but theories that place the origin of the Hmong/Mong people in Mesopotamia, Siberia, or Mongolia have been discredited.Linguistic evidence suggests that they have occupied the same areas of southern China for at least the past 2,000 years. Evidence from mitochondrial DNA in Hmong-Mien/Miao-Yao language speaking populations supports the southern origins of maternal lineages even further back in time, although Hmong/Miao speaking populations show more contact with northeast Asians (i.e. northern Han) than Mien/Yao populations.[19] This is consistent with historical Chinese documents that describe that area being inhabited by 'Miao' people, a group with whom Hmong people are often identified.
Bulldogg
QUOTE(lilasiankid @ Mar 15 2006, 07:09 PM) *

Or also from Western Colonialization of Asia. laugh.gif


No doubt in my mind this is the correct one.
aznbenjiman
inbreeding may lead to mental retardation....
pickles
KOOL!!
noyume
a lot of mongols have blond hair and blue eyes. i haven't seen a hmong like such before.
thaoclangurl
QUOTE(Psycho John @ May 28 2006, 04:01 PM) *

Yep, here in good ol' georgia, Koreans are the dominant Asians. i've seen some Koreans with the natural blond hair blue eyes here too. *sigh* reminds me of being back home.



If you look it up on Wikipedia, Koreans and Japanese are the ones that migrated from the west. We've been in China. That is supposed to explain their noses and their height. We Hmong have genetically been traced to being in China way before the Hans, Manchu, and those other two.
thaoclangurl
QUOTE(mizkahliyah @ Jun 13 2006, 04:40 PM) *

I think some hmong who have different traits suchs as blond hair blue eyes etc. is due to albino or genetics. I was watching the history channel and there was this one guy who traced this genetic through his blood line and this guy was from france. What he found out that his blood line went all the way to Northern Russian to a little tribe all the Chichus (sumthing like that), then this one guy in Africa had his blood line, this one guy in India and finally to asian to this one guy in the Country of Kazanistan (part of Asia). but yah.. so when you think of it, A lot of southeast asian countries were colonized by the European countries so maybe for some reason something happened and u still have those genes! But yah........ history explains everything not due to malnutrition. The only thing that malnutrition does is that it effects you such as in height, strength, etc.. not the color or ur eyes/hair.



I added some pictures in the forum with the keywords: Hmong and blonde hair...You should check it out.
xeemlauj
QUOTE(Benn @ Mar 15 2006, 12:49 AM) *
There was once an Aryan migration in Europe to Asia.
When they did, they intermarried with asians.
From what I see so far, it's mostly Hmong people with blond hair.
Note: Aryans are a tribe of white people in Central Europe along time ago.

Note: Buddha was said to have been an Aryan descent too.



The Hmong may have been part of the Aryan Race.
If you noticed hmong clothings, it does not really resemble Chinese even though
it have some Chinese Resemblances.

And it's true that the Blonde, Red Hair, Blue eyes, Green eyes are only found among the HMong people..
I'm very surprised since everything is so mysterious... so strange..
I do know that the Aryan once lived in ASIA too especially in northern CHINA...
and yes, BUDDHA was said to have been an ARYAN..

if you watched the clip about the TOCHARIAN IN CHINA,
they are an extinct group of caucasoid people who worshipped BUDDHISM MONKS in CHINA long long long long time ago.. because pictures can be found depicted in MOUNTAIN BUDDHIST TEMPLES IN NORTHERN CHINA..

I have seen hmong with very pale skin and light light yellowish eyes, some hmong with red hair and red skin and light brown eyes, some hmong with fair tan skin and green eyes...

i've seen some with hazel greyish eyes, but never seen one with blue eyes.. i've saw a picture of a hmong kid with one blue eyes...

anyways, i do have seen hmong people with natural blonde hair, not blonde but brownish reddish blonde....

it's very fascinating and quite interesting.. as for me, i have natural wavy black hair.. LOL.. i have mongoloid features all in me.. SAD bawling.gif beerchug.gif beerchug.gif beerchug.gif beerchug.gif beerchug.gif laugh.gif
GentleWind
Buddha is white oh hell no
TigerEyes
from history books, indo-europeans started from central asia, they got kicked out by asian tribes, huns usually blamed

greeks migrated from east, displaced Mycenaean people, Latins migrated into Italy, read about the Goths (german ancestors, called Aryans by Hitler)

I think that white people were Hmong mutants, initially kicked out because they looked different, were hairy, smelled bad (musky sweat glands), so couldn't take hunting

they formed their own tribes, then got pushed out of asia to europe,

need more DNA tests to prove or disprove
hmongguy72
wow eek.gif eek.gif eek.gif eek.gif eek.gif eek.gif
a white/hmong girl that has natural blonde hair and blues and speaks our language. now thats hot i think thats the ideal girl for any hmong guy and vice versa for the females icon_wink.gif

ya i heard this when i went on leave during christmas, the first hmong people were white, blonde hair and blue eyes. i was like eek.gif and looked at my cousin and was like no way and i started thinking. that is some interesting news to my ears never thought was possible then how come i look so asian.
population1
a hmong with those traits would be from inheriting recessive gene. way back then, malnutrition must have been a big problem. also, diseases.
population1
QUOTE(AntiSocial @ Nov 4 2006, 11:10 AM) *
Really now, I thought by now most Hmong people would know the origin of hmong people, especially the younger people! But categorizing hmong people born with blonde hair and blue eyes as albinos? laugh.gif FYI: Hmong people originally had blonde hair, blue eyes. It was only after we mixed with other asian races, mainly that of Chinese when we lost to them who knows how long ago, that we began to have the black hair and brown eyes because the gene for dark hair and eyes is more dominant then the gene for blonde hair and blue eyes. My sister was born with white-blonde hair, my cousin was born with straw-like blonde hair, and I knew a family in which ALL the sons had blonde hair except for the daughter. I think despite our history, most older hmong people like our parents, tend to think that the mom had an affair and that is why the kid is born with blonde hair or blue eyes. It's harder to convince the older generation about this, because no one likes being wrong. But yeah, if you don't believe me, do your own researching before calling other people albino.



it was said, hmong had blonde hair and blue eyes. h/e since it is a very long time ago, and there are no color photos to prove it, it would be very hard for ppl to believe.

here are some logical ways to look at it:
1. black hair and brown eyes are dominant to the recessive traits blonde hair and blue eyes. so, even if an asian was to produce offsprings with a white, the child will have the black hair--brown eyes on a 3 to 1 ratio. that's equal or greater to 75%.
2. albino is very much a possibility where mutations occur in the genes during sexual reproduction. how do mutations occur? environmental and physiological factors are involved. you may want to remember that it is a very long time ago, so who knows how living conditions were like without education and technology. not having a nutritional diet. or, not having cures for certain diseases may be factors leading to genetic mutations.
3. aryan is actually indo-iranian/indo-european. if you'll look on a map, iran is due northwest of southeast asia and europe extending further up and across due northwest from iran. that would mean, in terms of genetics, would pass on the trait for tall. so, wouldn't that make the average height of hmong ppl taller than 4-5 feet? it doesn't look so to me. natural selection plays a major part in evolution. a living organism must adapt to its environment to survive. with this knowledge, ppl of origns in cooler climates tend to be taller than ppl of origins in warmer climates. thus, the gene for tall should've been passed down (again, a 3 to 1 ratio.) this h/e does not reverse my argument--hmong ppl are short; nor am I making a notion--due to the warm climate, hmong ppl are short. the gene for tall is dominant to the recessive gene for short. so, I don't think ppl can shrink. only way possible for ppl shrinking has to do with gravity due to geographical location in relation with sea level. even then, it doesn't affect much.
4. the belief that the first origins of hmong ppl with blonde hair--blue eyes were probably taken from stories passed on down from generations to generations. there may be books pertaining such info. but due to the events involving hmongs and chinese and what have they way back then, some important scripts of the hmongs containing crucial info. disappeared. it was told some were burnt and some were altered. anyhow, if there are still some age old books that says so, it would in a small portion validate it; h/e would it be reliable enough to prove otherwise without scientific evidence? also, since modern books containing the info. are editions and relies heavily on the former, it is possible to have misinformation.
5. it's a myth to me
woohoo
i guess the papuan kids below also mixed w/Aryans?? icon_rolleyes.gif

tujue
Ich aprove diese thread


achtung !!!


Darkblade
guess what,



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wonderful
ive seen hmong people with pale skin light brown hair and blue eyes..they look kinda weird because they have big cheeks and they just look weird.
mengthor
if you look up history there were times in history when some of the persians settled in the western china influencing the chinese along with other ethnicities, so my theory must be that we must of been influenced by the persians who just so happens to be of the so called aryans. some of the people like uyghers were influenced to btw.
BigFatPandaBear
WTH?! Where are these blond/blue-eyed hmongs? LOL

You want to be part white so bad that you sound completely bonkers.

If Hmongs were "aryans" shouldn't you be a little bit more taller? How come the Chinese who have no aryan blood have taller people?

Also, since you have "aryan" blood, start posting some pictures of blonde-blued hmongs! And not the ones with brownish hair that you see on malnourished children. Post some blue-eyed hmong babes with golden blond hair. Hell, just post some with blue eyes.

There are none. If there were they would be all over the web. The Japanese would hire them as models because they worship blue-eyed blondes.

I bet I can post far more pictures of blue-eyed blonde Chinese than than you can post blonde-blued hmongs. But the difference is I won't claim that Chinese people have any "aryan" background. The blond Chinese with blue-eyes are ALBINOS. LOL
Sabretooth
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mengthor
i've seen some, but even though seeing one with blue eyes is not really common it's mostly just blondish hair with lighter skin color. those natural blond haired hmongs are still rare though.
BigFatPandaBear
QUOTE(mengthor @ Sep 2 2008, 11:19 PM) *
i've seen some, but even though seeing one with blue eyes is not really common it's mostly just blondish hair with lighter skin color. those natural blond haired hmongs are still rare though.


This whole thread have hmong people saying they've seen hmong blonds but nobody else does. And no one could post any pictures to back it up.

You know how embarrassing this sounds? It sounds you are hoping to be part "aryan." It's silly and also disgusting. An Asian race begging to be white.

If Hmong were originally mixed with aryans then they should carry some of the features of Aryans. They should be taller than Han Chinese who are 100% East Asian. But look at the Chinese basketball team, it's the tallest in Asia. Far taller than any five hmong players.

And where are the blond hmong you keep saying you "see"?

I could post a ton of Chinese blondes from the Chinese orphanages alone (albinos are often abandoned in China.)





http://www.natchezdemocrat.com/news/2008/j...ed-natchez-home
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Chinese toddler adopted into Natchez home


By Brian Reynolds (Contact) | The Natchez Democrat

Published Saturday, July 26, 2008

NATCHEZ — Soft green grass creeps between little toes. It pokes a bit, maybe even tickles.

And when that grass is a world away from home, it’s OK to freak out the first time you touch it.

So, that’s just what 2-year-old Lucy did when her brand new mom and dad let her loose on their lawn.

You see, in a country where thousands live on the same city block, you don’t walk barefoot on grass. There isn’t any grass.

But, grass aside, America hasn’t been as much of a culture shock for the Chinese toddler as her adoptive parents Brandt and Erica d!ck and their 8-year-old son Zachary had heard it would be.

“They say children are like sponges and she truly is,” Erica said. “She’s pretty much just grasped everything amazingly fast.”

Lucy came to America just over a month ago, but don’t tell her dad that.

“It’s like she’s been part of the family forever,” Brandt said. “It’s been easier than we had any right to expect it to be.”

While Lucy quickly latched onto Brandt — who is curate at Trinity Episcopal Church and chaplain at Trinity Episcopal Day School — it took her a little longer to get used to her mother.

“For the first three days she wanted nothing to do with me,” Erica said.

Lucy finally let Erica paint her toenails, and they really connected in that moment, Erica said.

“After that she’s just been momma’s little girl. It was just like a light switched on that third day,” Erica said.

For the d!ck family, adoption became the best option, since they couldn’t have anymore biological children for medical reasons.

For Lucy, adoption was the only hope.

Lucy Claire, named Fu Ni Hua in China, was found abandoned outside an orphanage in Fuzhou City when she was only a few days old.

She is an albino — a genetic disorder characterized by a lack of pigment, which creates pale skin, lighter than normal hair and vision problems — and was likely abandoned because of that.

She ended up in the care of the Chinese Children Adoption International program.

CCAI’s Web site says it is common for children with “physical handicaps” to be abandoned, mostly because the Chinese government only allows each family to have one child.

The d!cks also said that many of the special needs children come from rural areas, and parents cannot have albino children that cannot work in the fields due to the sun.

“I’m sure it’s a hard decision for the family, but they have to have healthy offspring,” Brandt said.

However, Lucy has blue eyes, blonde hair and no major vision problems, the d!cks said.

“A lot of people wouldn’t know she has albinism,” Brandt said. “They just wonder why we have a blonde Chinese kid.”

Many children who live in orphanages are developmentally behind, Erica said. But Lucy is pretty much on target in all aspects, Erica said.

Adopting a child, especially a special needs child from China, takes a lot of time and work, the d!cks said. They have several thick binders of paperwork, or a paper pregnancy, Erica said.

Their effort started two years ago. They were finally “booked into China” on Dec. 31, 2006.

They got a call around Easter saying they could adopt Lucy, but they had very little time to decide.

“We read it and we pretty much knew that she was ours,” Erica said.

“We were given 24 hours to make a decision and turn in more paperwork. We had 24 hours to learn everything we could about albinism.”

Their trip to China to pick up Lucy was also a bit of a culture shock, but went well, they said.

“It was different because the smallest city we went to had two million people,” Brandt said.

The adoption agency was also a big help during the trip, they said. Their contact with CCAI stayed in the hotel with them and would go to dinner with them, just to help order.

“Every once in a while we’d be craving McDonalds,” Brandt said.

Lucy will grow up with McDonald’s. But she won’t forget where she came from.

The d!cks said they have no intention of completely Americanizing Lucy, and they want to keep her in touch with her Chinese roots, something CCAI stresses.

“We’ll always let her know she came from China,” Erica said. “We want her to be proud of where she came from.”

The d!cks have gotten in touch with other parents who adopted Chinese children, including the Central Mississippi Cultural School. This group, based in Jackson, holds celebrations for the Chinese New Year and Autumn Moon Festival.

“To us, we’ll always be indebted to China for sharing her with us,” Erica said. “It’s so worth it in the end.
BigFatPandaBear











BigFatPandaBear
And if I can post that many Chinese blonds just from the orphanages, you Hmongs should be able to post tons of blond-eyed blonde Hmong photos.

You should be posting tons of pictures of Hmongs in the US who are blond and blue-eyed since you're always claiming to see them in the states.

Prove it. Show us the pictures.

I want to see hmongs with blue-eyes and blond hair like this:


yhellothar
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way before the Hans


Nope.
VAMAN
Drop the stupid word Aryans from the title of the thread.

QUOTE(xeemlauj @ Aug 13 2007, 10:47 AM) *
and yes, BUDDHA was said to have been an ARYAN..

Wtf is wrong with you. Lord Buddha was not Aryan. There is no such thing as Aryan. Gain some knowledge. Half fetched knowledge is dangerous it leads to many stupid beliefs.
xeemlauj
QUOTE(BigFatPandaBear @ Sep 2 2008, 09:07 PM) *
And if I can post that many Chinese blonds just from the orphanages, you Hmongs should be able to post tons of blond-eyed blonde Hmong photos.

You should be posting tons of pictures of Hmongs in the US who are blond and blue-eyed since you're always claiming to see them in the states.

Prove it. Show us the pictures.

I want to see hmongs with blue-eyes and blond hair like this:


DUDE, you are .......... all the pictures of these pale skin chinese children are ALBINO.... there are a different between an ALBINO and a natural child with yellow hair, red hair, red skin or etc...

CRAZY?? who the hell would go around taking snapshot/photo of people??? i know i wouldn't.... i saw many hmong from having natural red hair with red skin, blond hair to even albino hmong children and adults...... i can tell the different between a albi and a natural.. and even if i see one that is not... why would i take picture of them?? they're not FREAK....
BigFatPandaBear
QUOTE(xeemlauj @ Sep 4 2008, 01:15 AM) *
DUDE, you are .......... all the pictures of these pale skin chinese children are ALBINO.... there are a different between an ALBINO and a natural child with yellow hair, red hair, red skin or etc...


Dude! I said all along that blonde blue-eyed Asians are mainly albinos. You Hmongs are the only ones who keep saying you people are related to Aryans and have people with "natural" yellow hair, red hair and light skin. LOL

From what I see most Homgs from Laos are darker and smaller than Chinese. Shouldn't you be lighter and taller since you are supposed to be Aryan and Chinese are 100% Asian? LOL


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CRAZY?? who the hell would go around taking snapshot/photo of people??? i know i wouldn't.... i saw many hmong from having natural red hair with red skin, blond hair to even albino hmong children and adults...... i can tell the different between a albi and a natural.. and even if i see one that is not... why would i take picture of them?? they're not FREAK....



LOL. What a lame excuse. No one is asking you to take pictures. LOL

If there are blond Hmongs there would be pictures of those EVERYWHERE. LOL

The saddest thing to see Asians people do is wanting to be "aryan." It embarrasses ALL asians.
Goombaking209
LMAO this thread reeks of insecure identity issues.
mengthor
with so many commotions i have been left with no choice than to please these "Asians" so therefore i must go snap a pic of people i know who is blond. are they albino? i'm not sure anymore, but they are at least blond. so i'll come back with some pics when i do.
cerin
There is alot of theories I can see.
I alway knew the one where Hmong were originally blonds with blue eyes ..and that the chinese got jealous of our beauty so they started to kill us and mate with our women.
mengthor
QUOTE(Benn @ Mar 15 2006, 12:49 AM) *
There was once an Aryan migration in Europe to Asia.
When they did, they intermarried with asians.
From what I see so far, it's mostly Hmong people with blond hair.
Note: Aryans are a tribe of white people in Central Europe along time ago.

Note: Buddha was said to have been an Aryan descent too.


Buddha's White? Oh hell no!! :P lol
Whitey
To the posters who dispute it, yes Aryans are real. We use the word Aryan because it describes the Indo-Iranian language group that they spoke. The distribution of these languages follows the distribution of the R1a haplogroup. This is one of the 3 "white" haplogroups that represent the 3 groups of survivors of the Ice Age in Europe. Here is a map of the origins of the haplogroups. If you want to know your people have Aryan ancestry check out how much of this haplotype they have in wikipedia. If you want to know your personal percentage I think there is a DNA test that costs a couple hundred dollars.

Whitey
This might help. Aryan = R1a = purple. R1b = Red is another of the 3 "white" haplogroups and all the others are left out. So the black parts just mean its not an R1.



According to the map all these Asians are part Aryan but many ethnicities are not included on the map.

MO Mongols
UZ Uzbekistan
KG Kyrgyzstan
UG Uygurs
TB Tibet
HA Han Chinese
IN India, Indo-Aryan population
DR India, Dravidian population
MY Malaysia
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