i don't understand why many people hates islam...
anybody knows here??

Really?

Usually the people who say they hate Islaam, hold misconceptions about it.

There is a certain portion of the Knowledge of the Religion that every accountable person must learn. The Prophet, Sallallaahu ^alayhi wa sallam, said:



In this Hadeeth related by al-Bayhaqiyy, the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم told us:

<<Seeking the Obligatory Knowledge of the Religion is an obligation upon every Muslim. >>

Seeking this knowledge is an obligation on every accountable Muslim, whether male or female. This Hadeeth was classified as Hasan by Haafith al-Mizziyy.

Since this summary contains what is obligatory to learn of the religious knowledge, the student needs to pay due attention to it. The correct knowledge guides the person to the valid deed and the valid performance.

Imam Muslim related from the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم that he said:



It means: <<The angels lower their wings out of humbleness to the student seeking the Knowledge of the Religion, because of their delight with his deed. >>

THE ESSENTIALS OF BELIEF

It is obligatory upon the one who is accountable but not Muslim to embrace Islam immediately. One is accountable if one is sane, pubescent, and has received the basic message of Islam. Sane (^aaqil) means not crazy. The male becomes pubescent when one of two matters occurs: he discharges his maniyy (maniyy is a term used equally for men and women. It refers to the sexual spermatic fluid of the man, and the corresponding sexual fluid of the woman.) or he becomes 15 lunar years old. The woman becomes pubescent by one of three matters: she discharges her maniyy, she becomes 15 lunar years old, or she menstruates.

One is considered as having received the message of Islam if one received the basic message. For example, if one heard (and understood) the Testification of Faith (No one is God except Allaah, and MuHammad is the Messenger of Allaah), one has received the basic message. To become accountable, it is not a condition that the person receives the details of the creed. Hence, if the non-Muslim was pubescent, sane, and received the basic message, it is obligatory for him to embrace Islam immediately. If he does not, and he dies in that state of blasphemy, then he deserves the everlasting torture in Hellfire.

The one who does not receive the basic message of Islam will not be tortured in Hellfire. This is so because Allaah said in Suratul-Israa’, Ayah 15:



It means that Allaah will not punish (in the Hereafter) those who do not receive the basic message (the creed of Islam) of any prophet. Such people are not accountable.

Likewise, the person who dies before pubescence will be safe in the Hereafter, even if he worshipped a stone. Likewise, the person whose insanity continues until after pubescence and dies will be safe in the Hereafter.

To become Muslim is an easy matter: One believes in one’s heart in the meanings of the Testification of Faith and utters it with one’s tongue—either in Arabic or any other language (even if one knows Arabic). In English, one says:

“I testify that no one is God except Allaah, and (I testify) that MuHammad is the Messenger of Allaah”

…or uses other words which give the aforementioned meaning. One does not become Muslim if one does NOT UTTER the Testification of Faith—even if one holds the proper belief in one’s heart.

Without delay, the blasphemer must utter the Testification of Faith to become Muslim. The Muslim must utter the Testification of Faith in the last tashahhud of every prayer for the validity of that prayer. The statement Sallallaahu ^alayhi wa sallam is not part of the Testification of Faith. Hence, one is not required to utter it. This statement is rewardable to say after mentioning the name of Prophet MuHammad. It means: may Allaah raise the rank of Prophet MuHammad and protect his (Muslim) Nation from what he fears for them.

I've a feeling that most of us here are Sunni. Like most Southeast Asian Muslims, I was brought up in the Shafii school of law.

Any Wahabbis?

i'm not sunni or shiah or whatever..
i only followed the right Islam..
as long as the teaching is good and Islam allows it..
i'm ok with it..

thanks for the explaination!!!

The meaning of Ash-hadu al-laa ilaaha il-lallaah is: “I know, believe, and declare that nothing deserves to be worshipped except Allaah”

This means that I firmly believe in my heart and declare with my tongue that nothing deserves to be worshipped except Allaah.

Some people worship things other than Allaah. For example, some people worship buddha. Some people worship Prophet Jesus. Some people worship idols. Some people even worship the devil. All these things are worshipped unrightfully.

Allaah is the only One Who deserves to be worshipped.

Definition of Worship

As defined by Imaam Taqiyyud-Deen as-Subkiyy (d. 756 AH), who was a well-known scholar of Fiqh, the fundamentals of the Religion, the interpretation of the Qur’aan, the Arabic language, and other sciences of Religion, “worship” is:



which means the ultimate submission and humbleness (to someone else).

Ar-Raaghib al-ASbahaaniyy, the famous linguist, established the same definition for “worship” in his book, Mufradaatul-Qur’aan.

So, worship is not simply ‘to call upon one’, ‘to fear one’, or ‘to be hopeful of one’.

Rather, calling upon, fearing of, or being hopeful of something entails worship only when linked to and associated with the ultimate submitting and humbling of oneself to that thing.

Allaah is One (al-WaaHid),

معنى الواحدِ أن الله لا شريكَ له قي الألوهيّةِ ولا معبود بحق سواه

Allaah is One (WaaHid) means Allaah does not have a partner with Him in Godhood.

‘One’ here does not refer to a number. Numbers can increase or decrease, be added to or subtracted from, and can be divided.

For example, to say ‘one person’ does not mean that this person has no partners in humanity. Rather, it is mentioned in the context of a number, i.e., he is one among others. Moreover, others are similar to him in certain aspects.

However, when we refer to Allaah as ‘One’ it means ‘the One Who does not have a partner.’

Imaam Abu Haneefah (d. 150 AH), may Allaah raise his rank, said in al-Fiqh al-Akbar:



It means: “Allaah is One, not in the context of numbers, but in the context that He does not have any partner.”

Indivisible (al-AHad),

All scholars agree that Allaah is not a body and their evidence is from the Qur’aan. Allaah Exists without a how – the scholars only differed in assigning a meaning to the word ‘al-AHad’.

Some scholars said al-AHad has the same meaning as al-WaaHid, i.e., there is no partner to Allaah in His Godhood.

Others said al-AHad means ‘the One Who is indivisible,’ because He is not a body.

Allaah is without a beginning (al-Awwal) - Eternal (al-Qadeem),

Al-Awwal and al-Qadeem have the same meaning which is ‘the One Whose Existence is without a beginning.’

His Existence was not preceded by a state of non-existence.

Allaah alone is the One Who is attributed with this attribute.

The existence of all things other than Allaah has a beginning.

This matter is among the fundamentals of the Muslim’s belief. Anyone who believes otherwise is not a Muslim (because to believe that something other than Allaah has no beginning is believing that that thing is not created and hence it is associating partners with Allaah).

He is Alive (al-Hayy), the One Who does not need anything (al-Qayyoom),

Allaah is Alive and His Life is without end.

Allaah is attributed with an eternal and everlasting Life which does not resemble our life. His Life is without soul, flesh, blood, bones or body.

Allaah does not need anything, but all the creation is in need of Allaah.

Allaah is Everlasting (ad-Daa’im),

The Everlasting means ‘the One Whose Existence does not end.’

Allaah is Everlasting because that which ends must have had a beginning (it accepts at a time existence and at a time non-existence and hence is in need of one to specify it with either); therefore it must be a creation, and not the Creator.

It is logically impossible for Allaah to end. Allah’s Attribute of Everlastingness is not because of another specifying Him with it. However, the everlastingness of Paradise and Hellfire is because Allaah specified them with it – otherwise logically it is possible for them to end but we have been informed that they will not end.

Allaah is the Creator (al-Khaaliq),

The Creator means ‘The One Who brings everything from the state of non-existence into the state of existence.’ Nothing among the creations comes into existence except by the creating of Allaah.

Allaah said in Surat Ar-Ra^d, Ayah 16:



Which means: Say Allaah is the Creator of everything.

And Allaah said in Surat aS-Saaf-faat, Ayah 96:



Which means: Allaah created you and what you do.

The slave and his actions exist by the creating of Allaah. All of us, including our doings, thoughts, and inclinations are created by Allaah. The slave does not create anything. The slave does not bring anything from the state of non-existence into the state of existence. Rather, the slave only acquires his deeds. He directs his intention towards a particular deed, but Allaah is the One Who creates that deed.

Likewise, causes do not create any of their results. The fire (cause) does not create burning (result). The knife (cause) does not create cutting (result). The bread (cause) does not create the feeling of satisfaction from hunger (result). Water (cause) does not create the quenching of thirst (result). The sun (cause) does not create warmth (result).

Rather, these are causes followed by results and their Creator is Allaah. At the point when the fire comes in contact with a certain combustible material, Allaah creates the burning in that material. Had Allaah not willed for that particular body to burn as a result of touching the fire, He would not have created the burning, and by consequence, it would not have burnt.

This was the case with Prophet Ibraaheem عليه السلام. He was put into a large, raging fire—yet he was not burnt—because Allaah did not create the attribute of burning (cause) in that fire nor did He create the burning in Ibraaheem (result).

This case is also among the fundamentals of the creed.

The one who believes that there is something or someone who shares with Allaah the attribute of creating (of bringing things from non-existence into existence) is not a Muslim, even if he claims so. To enter Islaam he must repent from such beliefs and utter the Testification of Faith.

Allaah is the Sustainer (ar-Raaziq),

The Sustainer is the One Who gives the sustenance (rizq) to His slaves.

Sustenance (rizq) includes all the things which give a benefit to the person-whether from a lawful or an unlawful source.

Allaah is Knowledgeable (al-^Aalim),

Allaah is the One Who knows everything.

His Knowledge is without a beginning, without an ending, doesn't change, doesn't increase or decrease.

There is nothing hidden from Allaah.

Allaah knows His Self, His Attributes, and His creations.
(Note: Self here does not mean body or shape or spirit or anything you imagine.)

Allaah knows the things before they happen.

Allaah is Powerful (al-Qadeer)

Allaah is the One Who has Power over all things.

He is not powerless over anything.

Allaah's Power is related to all intellectual possibilities.

Intellectual possibilities are things that the mind can accept for them existence and non-existence (at different points in time). For example humans - it is possible that they exist and also possible that they not exist.

Allaah makes things exist and makes things cease to exist.

Allaah is the One Who does whatever He wills, i.e. whatever Allaah willed to be shall be and whatever Allaah did not will to be shall not be.

Abu Daawood related that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم taught some of his daughters:



This means that everything that Allaah willed in eternity (no beginning) to happen must happen in the way which Allaah eternally knew and at the time at which Allaah eternally willed for it to occur.

That which Allaah did not will in eternity to happen will never happen.

Should an entire nation come together to inflict a harm on you that Allaah did not will to happen to you, it will not be able to harm you.

Likewise, should a nation come together to benefit you with a certain matter that Allaah did not will in eternity for you to benefit from, it will not be able to do so.

This also is among the fundamentals of the proper belief.

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم , in several Hadeeths (narrated by at-Tabariyy, Abu Daawood, and others), explicitly mentioned that anyone who holds a creed contrary to this is not a Muslim.



This is a statement that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم taught us to say.

As Abu Ya^laa al-MawSiliyy related, the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم explained this statement to mean: "Without Allaah's protection no one can evade sinning, and without Allaah's help no one has the strength to obey Him."



This does not mean that the person has no will and is like a feather in the wind because that would contradict the Ayah: {wa ma tashaa'oona illa an yashaa' Allaah} because in this Ayah Allaah attributed will to the humans.

The human does his deeds willingly and under the will of Allaah.

Imam Ali was asked about Destining. He said: sirrullaah falaa tatakallaf. When the person insisted, Imam Ali said: am_ma ith abayta fa'in_nahu amrun bayna amrayni laa jabrun walaa tafweeDun, i.e. it is a matter between 2 matters - not jabr & not tafweeD.

jabr = being forced to do things involuntarily
tafweed = to do whatever you want without being under the will of anyone else.

The human does his deeds willingly and under the will of Allaah.

Destining is a hidden matter that the slave will never be able to know every detail about. That is why the Prophet said not to go too much into thinking about its reality but to stick to what we do know about it. He said: <<Ithaa thukiral Qadar fa amsikoo. >> Related by at_Tabaraaniy.

To give you an example - we know that Allaah is the Creator of everything - as proven above from the Qur'aan. Hence, there was a point in time when both light and darkness did not exist.

None of us can imagine it because our imagination is based on what we are used to.

thanks man

Assalamu Alaikhum brothers and sisters. I didn't know there was an Islamic Society until now. I want to join.

I assume most of the Muslims here are Malaysian and Indonesian?

most of our members aren't muslims but yeah...your right most of the muslim ones are Malaysian and Indonesian

wa 3alaikom assalaam

am I the exception?

Verse 180 of Suratul-'A^raf means:



Allaah is attributed with all proper perfection

Allaah is attributed with all the perfect attributes that befit Him.

Befitting perfect attributes are specified here because among the perfect attributes there are those which are perfect in relation to mankind, but are imperfect when attributed to Allaah.

Some examples are brilliance, intellect, nice voice, and strength of body.

When attributed to a creature, these are attributes of perfection.

However, they are not befitting to attribute to the Creator.

This is why we say Allaah is clear of all imperfection.

This means that Allaah is clear of any of the attributes of the creation, such as bodily characteristics, colour, shape, motion, and stillness.

This is why we say Allaah exists without a place, because the one who exists in a place must have a limit, and everything that has a limit is in need of one who specified it with that limit.

Whatever is in need certainly is not the Creator.

This is why Allaah is clear of existing in any place or direction.

Imaam Abu Ja^far at-TaHaawiyy (died 321 H) said in his book "Al-^Aqidatut-Tahawiyyah":

“The six directions do not contain Him”

Meaning: Only the creations are subject to directions. However, Allah is clear of the directions, because He existed before He created them, without Him being in one or more directions.

We do not say Allaah inhabits the sky.

We do not say that Allaah exists in the direction of above.

We do not say that Allaah exists in all places, or everywhere.

Rather, Allaah exists and He does not resemble other things that exist.

Hence, Allaah exists without a place.

There is absolutely nothing like Him, and He is attributed with Hearing and Sight.

This is the meaning of Verse 11 of Surat ash-Shuraa {لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَىء}.

It means nothing resembles Allaah in any way, just as was said by Dhun-Noon al-MiSriyy*: “Whatever you imagine in your mind, Allaah is different from it.”



Allaah is clear of resembling any of the creations, tangible or otherwise.

For example, Allaah is different from the humans, angels, light, spirits, sun, and moon.

Allaah is not similar to any of the creations in any way whatsoever.

*Although he is famous as Dhun-Noon al-MiSriyy, his name was Thawbaan, the son of Ibraaheem. Originally he was from an-Noobah, today an area between southern Egypt and northern Sudan. He lived in Egypt some 1200 years ago. He was among the higher ranked scholars. He was famous for being God-fearing as well.

Which country are you (or your parents) from then?

I was born in Australia, my mum is from Lebanon and my dad from Syria.

Cool. So I guess you're an Arab?

I was born in the Netherlands, grew up in the UK, and my parents came from Bangladesh. So I'm an exception too.

Yep.

Cool

Allaah exists without a beginning and everything else exists with a beginning. He is the Creator and everything else is a creation.

Allaah said in Surat Ar-Ra^d, Ayah 16:



Which means: Say Allaah is the Creator of everything.


Allaah is the only One Who is eternal.

Hence, Allaah is the only One Whose Existence is without a beginning.

Everything else exists with a beginning.

This is the meaning of a creation, i.e., the creation is that which was not existing and then it was brought into existence.

Therefore, there was a beginning to its existence.

Everything other than Allaah is a creation and is created by Allaah, tabaaraka wa ta^aalaa. This applies to the kind* and the elements, the deeds and the bodies, and the jawhar# and the ^araDs~.

*The “kind” is the common criterion existing in each and every element of a group which specifically characterises that group. For example, humanity is the “kind” of the humans.

#The jawhar refers to the smallest particle that can not be further divided.

~The ^arad refers to the attribute that does not exist independently.


The belief that everything other than Allaah is a creation is among the fundamentals of the creed of the Muslims.

Hence, anyone who believes that something other than Allaah exists without a beginning is a blasphemer.

Some people believe the kind of the universe is eternal (that its existence has no beginning) just like the later philosophers and Ahmad Ibn Taymiyah in 7 of his books said.

In his book, Tashneef al-Masaami^, az-Zarkashiyy* narrated the consensus of the Muslims judging those who believe the universe is eternal to be blasphemers.

*Az-Zarkashiyy is a Shaafi^iyy scholar who lived about 700 years ago.

The ^Arsh is the ceiling of Paradise.

Imaam Abu Mansoor alBaghdaadiyy narrated that Imaam Ali, cousin of the Prophet, said what means:

“Allaah created the ^Arsh as an indication of His Power and did not take it as a place for Himself.”

It is the largest of the creations in size.

Some refer to it in English as ‘the Throne’.

Be warned of those who interpret the Ayahs of the Qur’aan literally in the places where the Muslims interpret it metaphorically.

The Qur’aan, Hadeeth, sayings of the Companions and the top scholars do not contradict each other.

Imaam Ali, cousin of the Prophet, also said:



Which means: “Allaah existed eternally and there was no place and He is now as He eternally was.”

This was narrated by Abu Mansoor al-Baghdaadiyy in his book ‘al-Farqu bayn al-Firaq”.

Imaam al-Haafith al-Bayhaqiyy said what means: "Some of our companions used as a proof to refute the place to Allaah the saying of the Prophet, Sallaallahu ^alayhi wa sallam: 'You are adh-Thaahir and there is nothing above You, and You are al-Batin and there is nothing underneath You.' Therefore, if there is nothing above Him and nothing underneath Him, He is not in a place."

Well guys im interested to see what we all share in common, instead of calling each others beliefs false and insulting one another(as you can see in the religious threads in the D/P/R Forum) So lets collect some similarities

Say:"O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we are Muslims (bowing to God's Will)." [3:64]

Send not away those who call on their Lord morning and evening, seeking His face. In naught art thou accountable for them, and in naught are they accountable for thee, that thou shouldst turn them away, and thus be (one) of the unjust. [6:52]

And do not abuse those whom they call upon besides God, lest exceeding the limits they should abuse God out of ignorance. Thus have We made fair seeming to every people their deeds; then to their Lord shall be their return, so He will inform them of what they did. [6:108]

i hope we can make this positive and interesting,

I'll start LOL Jews and Muslims both don't eat pork, neither do some christians and indeed some buddhists too.

pun be careful with the word for word translations man!!

Even translators know that there's more to translation than word to word - and often word to word could give the incorrect meaning.

wajh in the Arabic language doesn't only mean face!!

li wajhillaah doesnt mean for the face of God!! God is not attributed with such things. He is not subject to shape, form, place or parts.

li wajhillaah means for the sake of God.


Another point is that only Muslims worship God alone without associating partners with Him.

Many christians worship Mary (mother of Prophet Jesus) and ask forgiveness from priests.

And the jews call ^uzayr as son of God.


I know that in christianity originally they teach that fornication is forbidden and sodomy and drugs.

Also the being good to the neighbour - that's in Islaam as well.

and i'm pretty sure everyone knows that killing unjustly, stealing, taking money by force - is forbidden.

That's some common things i can think of.

Also the story of Noah's arc - i havnt been thru the christian version or jewish but the Islamic one is that Prophet Noah called his people to believe in God - some people believed in him but most did not.

He was ordered to build an arc and put the male and female of the animals in it and take the believers.

He had 4 sons, one of them (Kan^aan) was not a believer - he said he will stand on a mountain. but of course the flood covered all the earth and all those people were wiped out.

yes I know it can also mean pleasure,entity ect. ect.

I know that Allah has not a wajh (face) or a yad (hand) in the literal sense of these words because the literal meaning of each of these words in the Arabic language denotes a limb that is connected to the body and that could be separated from it,GOD is far above this, ever heard the term "metaphor" ?

here's another translation,if it makes you feel better.

[6: 52]And drive not away those who call upon their Lord morning and evening, seeking HIS pleasure. Thou art not at all accountable for them nor are they accountable for thee. So if thou shouldst drive them away thou wilt be of the unjust.


See here you go LOL Allah(SWT) is not a "HE" but still GOD is referred as "HE" ,I hope you understand what im trying to explain...and your complaining about the ayat I've posted.

I was looking for similarities not differences,actually I know most of the similarities LOL but i want to make this thread come alive again.

Lol don't get irritated pun, but for the sake of clarification for beginners who are fed the lies of wahhabis - Allaah is not subject to pleasures either.

And the reason you are meant to explain it fully the first time is so that you don't cause anyone to adopt incorrect beliefs of tashbeeh.

Whateva you say sis LOL Will be more careful next time...and clarify everything LOL

OK here are the next similarities...for the starters, Muslims, Christians and Jews have many of the same Prophets in their scriptures,like Ibrahim (Abraham), Ishaq (Isaac), Ismail (Ishmael), Isa (Jesus), Dawood (David), Sulaiman (Solomon), Muhammad (Ahmad).

what we share to other religions are specific religious actions such as Salaah(prayer)/pilgrimage/fasting we all have a lot of common ground. Being moral, kind, caring and respecting all living things of course one can have all of these characteristics and not be part of any religion. I guess it's what makes a whole lot of humans so similar.

Whoever is reading this right now pls contribute...I repeate again similarities not differences here please

*respect to the respectable living things.

And of course respect for the respectable non-living things - like bread.

Next similarity most religions believe in an afterlife.

Jews and Muslims generally get their boys circumcised,and both regard the Dome of the Rock aka Solomon's Temple as a holy place.

Buddhists recite their scripture when praying (sutras), so do Muslims and Jews.
Buddhism also teaches dettachment from the world.I think the Prophet(PBUH) was teaching that when giving a summary of some of his hadiths. Also Buddha(PBUH) said that people should not worship him same as the prophet Muhammad(PBUH).

A lot of people get confused between the Mosque called Dome of the rock and the one called Aqsa Mosque.

And they call the Aqsa Mosque as dome of the rock.

The Aqsa Mosque is the one with intense historical significance - much more than the dome of the rock.

Pay attention to that.

Hi Sam, is there any cultural difference between the islam practiced by Lebanese and Syrians?

My neighbours are Lebanese muslims, they seem to be very influenced by French culture and fashion. Although they seem very westernised - they speak french and arabic, drive mercedes and wear designer clothes from LVMH, they have local imams who visit their home regularly. They seem to be able to straddle both cultures French and Lebanese worlds easily without problem.

similarities between Islam and Buddhism

Buddha(PBUH) comes from the root word Budh meaning "to awaken". Its a title given to a person who is able to acheive Nirvana or enlightenment. This is acheived by becoming one with the world through meditation. Very similar to Sufi beliefs of the merging of the macrocosm with the microcosm. There are, however some forms of Buddhism who believe that Buddha is a God(Nausobillah). There are five main precepts in the Buddhist belief system. One must pledge his dedication to these precepts as part of their journey to Niravana:

1. I undertake the precept to refrain from harming living creatures (killing for other than eating purposes).
2. I undertake the precept to refrain from taking that which is not freely given (stealing)
3. I undertake the precept to refrain from sexual misconduct
4. I undertake the precept to refrain from incorrect speech (lying, harsh language, slander, idle chit-chat)
5. I undertake the precept to refrain from intoxicants which lead to a loss of mindfulness

Sounds familiar

btw anyone ever noticed that the descriptions of the Buddha's(PBUH) Nirvana are almost identical to those of the Prophet's(PBUH) Mihraj ?

No, there is no difference on a general level. Islaam practised anywhere in the world is the same for all if it is correctly practised.



what is it with you and buddha??

you keep claiming that he was a Prophet but had that been true, buddhists would have also been classified as "people of the book" alongside with christians and jews. Clearly all Muslims know they are not!! So why are you coming with something different?? (as usual)

Also I'd like to make a point now. True Sufism is not the belief that everything that exists is God. In fact that is from the most blasphemous beliefs. Allaah said "AlHamdulillaahi rabbil ^aalameen".

That is a clear distinction between the Lord of the world and between the world.

Imaam Al-Junayd who is the Imaam of the true Sufis said: "TawHeed (Oneness of God) is differentiating the eternal from the created."

I never claimed that Hindus and Buddhist are people of the Book,but what i was saying is that the Holy quran in Surah Al'Quran verse 38 says "For each period is a book (revealed)" meaning that a revelation was sent in every period! Get it ??? The other thing Im saying is that Buddha(PBUH) was a true Prophet of Allah...In the quran only 28 Prophets are mentioned by name,but Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) said 124000 Prophets were send to the earth,should we believe only in the 28 prophets or even in the other 123972 ?
If everywhere in the world Prophets were send, who were the Prophets in India ?
Don't forget Surah Fatir verse 24,Surah Al'Quran verse 7 & the same Surah Verse 78 "We did aforetime send messengers before thee: of them there are some whose story We have related to thee, and some whose story We have not related to thee..."

BTW the coming of Prophet Muhammad was prophecied in Hindu and Buddhist scriptures,did you know that ???

I didn't think that in Buddhism there is such a concept as God or Allah. How can the Buddha be seen as a prophet of a dualistic type of religion and God?

Do the 124000 Prophets include the Mormon religious leaders who have been giving out revelations in Utah to all their followers?

Whatabout the local African christian priests here who come up proclaimations and revelations every Sunday? I wonder when and how do revelations become truth or fiction?

What determines a prophet from the fortune tellers?

All these 124000 Prophets came before Prophet Muhammed(PBUH), so i don't think that a Mormon leader in Utah can be a Prophet

I know that the general impression prevails that Buddhism is nothing more than a philosophy of life which does not prescribe to the existence of God.And I know that among the atheistic Buddhist sects it is commonly alleged that Buddha(PBUH) himself denied the existence of God. They support their claim by pointing at the hostility shown to Buddha(PBUH) by the contemporary Hindu pundits. That hostility, they maintain, was largely due to the contempt shown by Buddha to their "gods".I think The Buddhists in general do not bother to analyse the real factors at work, which generated misunderstandings leading to the persecution of Buddha.(PBUH). It is quite sufficient for them to believe that Buddha(PBUH) must have rejected the idea of God in totality.You know that the Buddhist philosophy/teachings and practices remained to be transmitted only verbally for almost five hundred years after Buddha(PBUH) ? Except in the case of inscriptions on the rocks made by Ashoka the great,he appeared some three hundred years after Buddha(PBUH). This fact is of vital importance for me because these writings can certainly serve the purpose of judging Buddha's philosophy and way of life from the vantage point of Ashoka. Moreover, at a time when nothing of Buddhism was committed to writing, he alone left behind a written account of what he understood to be Buddha's teachings.But his authority as a true representative of Buddha(PBUH) has never been challenged.What remains is simply a case of different interpretations The issue of the fundamental belief of Buddhism, the problems begins with different interpretations of what Buddha(PBUH) is known to have said or done.I disagree with the commonly held view that Buddha was an atheist.I maintain that Buddhism was a divinely revealed religion & I don't agree with the fact that the founder of Buddhism was an atheist,he was a man commissioned by God Himself, to deliver His message in the style that all other messengers were raised.

Pun, you interpretted the Verse in the Qur'aan about "every period" as you claimed - wrongly. You know why? Because there was 2 known jaahiliyyas (eras of ignorance) where no Prophets were sent. One of them was between the time after which Prophet Idrees died and the generations after him began worshipping statues of 5 men until Prophet Noah was sent.

25 names of Prophets were mentioned in the Qur'aan and of course some were mentioned in the Hadeeth and some others were not mentioned at all by name but that does not mean that we can go off assuming on our own who we think is a Prophet. The scholars have mentioned some possibilities like thulQarnayn being a Prophet but not budda!!

And who are you beside the great scholars - ash-Shaafi^i, Maalik, AHmad ibn Hanbal and Abu Haneefah. According to you if budda was a Prophet before Prophet MuHammad then those scholars would have known about it before you and why then wouldn't they consider buddhists as "people of the book".

Your claim is faulty pun.

in shaa' Allaah I will get some info on the 104 Divine Books and show you.



The difference between a Prophet and a fortune teller is the difference between miracles and sorcery as it might be said.

Sorcery can be competed with - miracles can't.

1st 28 names are mentioned in the Holy quran should i list them ?

1.Adam
2.Noah
3.Abraham
4.Lot
5.Ishmael
6.Isaac
7.Jacob
8.Joseph
9.Hud
10.Salih
11.Shuaib
12.Moses
13.Aaron
14.David
15.Solomon
16.Elias (Elijah)
17.Jonah
18.Dhul-Kifl
19.Elisha (Alyasa)
20.Idris (Enoch)
21.Job
22.Zechariah
23.John
24.Jesus
25.Luqman
26.Ezra
27.Dhul-Qarnain
28.Muhammad (Peace be upon all of the prophets of God)

Scholars mentioned the possibilitie that Dhul-Kifl(PBUH) was Buddha(PBUH),Im not talking about so called "Islam experts" Im talkin' about Muslim scholars.

Hehe i ask you again a question LOL scholars agree that Zoroaster(PBUH) was a prophet, if so, why aren't Zoroastians mentioned in the Quran as People of the Book ??? Zoroastrianism is one of the oldest known monotheist religions.

Many factual errors there pun187 which I can only try to answer with the help of many buddhist texts and sites.


In the Buddha's time his world was filled with many gods. The creator god Brahma being the most important one. At the time of the Buddha, the only people practicing the religion of the One God of the desert, were the Jews. Remember, this is 500BC before the Prophets Christ or Mohammed came into the world.

The Buddha never left India. He walked from village to village... In his entire lifetime he never went any further than 200 miles from his birthplace. He never met a Jew (whereas Christ and Mohammed did)... And because of this, he never said anything about the One God of the desert. There is also nothing in the teachings of the Buddha that suggest how to find God or worship the god's of India, although the Buddha himself was a theist (believed in gods), his teachings are non-theistic.

The Buddha was more concerned with the human condition: Birth, Sickness, Old age, and Death. The Buddhist path is about coming to a place of acceptance with these painful aspects of life, and not suffering through them.

Please be clear on this point... The Buddha is not thought of as a god in Buddhism and is not prayed to. He is looked up to and respected as a great teacher. He was a human being who found his perfection in Nirvana. Because of his Nirvana, the Buddha was perfectly moral, perfectly ethical, and ended his suffering forever.

Does that mean that every Buddhist in the world is an atheist? No. There are a lot of Buddhists who believe in God and alot of Buddhists who don’t believe in God... And a lot of Buddhists just don’t know.

All three points of view are okay in Buddhism, because for the Buddha suffering is more important than God.

Christ claimed to be the Prophet of Christianity. He further claimed that he was the Son of God. Christ also laid down the condition that there was no salvation for a person unless he accepted that Christ was the Son of God. Thus Christ secured a place for Himself by making the salvation of the Christian depend upon his acceptance of Christ as the Prophet and Son of God.

Mohammad, the Prophet of Islam, claimed that he was a Prophet sent by God. He further claimed that no one could get salvation unless he accepted two other conditions. A seeker of salvation in Islam must accept that Mohammad is the Prophet of God. A seeker after salvation in Islam must further accept that he is the last prophet. Salvation in Islam is thus ensured only to those who accept these two conditions. Mohammad thus secured a place for Himself by making the salvation of the Muslim depend upon his acknowledgement of Mohammad as the Prophet of God.

No such condition was ever made by the Buddha. He claimed that he was no more than the natural son of Suddhodana and Mahamaya. He carved for himself no place in his religion by laying down any such conditions regarding himself for salvation as Jesus and Mohammad did.

Most religions are described as revelations. But the Buddha’s religion is not a revelation.

A revealed religion is so called because it is a message of God to His creatures to worship their maker (i.e., God) and to save their souls. Often the message is sent through a chosen individual who is called a prophet to whom the message is revealed and who reveals it to the people. It is then called Religion. The obligation of the prophet is to ensure salvation to the faithful. Salvation of the faithful means the saving of their souls, from being sent to hell provided they obey God’s commands and recognize the prophet as his messenger.

The Buddha never claimed that he was a prophet or a messenger of God. He repudiated any such description. A more important point than this is that his religion is a discovery. As such it must be sharply distinguished from a religion which is called Revelation. His religion is a discovery in the sense that it is the result of inquiry and investigation into the conditions of human life on earth and understanding of the working of human instincts with which man is born, the moulding of his instincts and dispositions which man has formed as a result of history and tradition and which are working to his detriment.

All prophets have promised salvation. The Buddha is the one teacher who did not make any such promise. He made a sharp distinction between a moksha data and a marga data, one who gives salvation and one who only shows the way. He was only a marga data. Salvation or enlightenment must be sought by each for himself by his own effort.

Buddha's enlightenment and his teachings of techniques for others to achieve the same are known in Sanskrit as "Dharma," literally "preventive measures." Starting in the second century BC, Buddha's discourses on them that had been transmitted orally up until then were written down in the form of scriptural texts.

There have been Islamic references to the Buddha as a Prophet. The Urdu scholar Abu'l Kalam Azad, in his Quranic commentary Tafsir Sura Fatiha, postulates that the Prophet Dhu'l-Kifl, meaning "the one from Kifl," mentioned twice in the Quran (21.85 and 38,48) as patient and good, refers to Shakyamuni Buddha. Although most scholars identify Dhu'l-Kifl with the Prophet Ezekiel, Azad explains that "Kifl" is the Arabicized form of Kapila, short for Kapilavastu. He also proposes that the Qur'anic mention of the fig tree (95.1-5) refers to Buddha as well, since he attained to enlightenment at the foot of one. Some scholars accept this theory and, as support for this position, point out that the eleventh-century Muslim historian of India, al-Biruni, referred to Buddha as a Prophet. Others dismiss this last piece of evidence and explain that al-Biruni was merely describing that people in India regarded Buddha as a prophet.

Some scholars associate the prophesied future Buddha Maitreya, the Loving or Merciful One, with the Prophet Mohammed as the servant of the Merciful One. Although the truths that Buddha realized under the fig tree are not described as revelation, later great Buddhist masters have received revelations of sacred texts, such as Asanga in fourth century India directly from Maitreya in Tu$hita, the Heaven Filled with Joy.

Ashoka, the Great King of India may have commissioned such Buddhist masters to produce sacred texts that can be described as revelations but in no way can one describe the Buddha as having received a revelation because revelation requires the idea of Monotheism (only one God) and this is a foreign concept to the Buddha.

As I said, the top scholars differed on the point about whether great men such as thulQarnayn were Prophets - possibly the explanation of why i said 25 and u said 28.



As usual, you name no top scholar who said what you claim - and i dnt want u to mention some new radical. The top scholars are like Imaam ash-Shaafi^iyy, Maalik, etc, Ja^far as-Saadiq, etc.

tangazawi, i feel like your attitude towards Prophets is degrading.

You said it yourself that budda was not revealed to. So that means people should follow those who were Revealed to. The Prophets told the people that they were Prophets obviously so they could guide them to what God Revealed and the proof for their Prophethood was their miracles given to them by God - and the sound mind would tell you to believe one who supports their claim of Prophethood with a MIRACLE (extraordinary action that can not be discredited by anyone and comes in accordance with the claim).

Sorry sam, I am no buddhist. I am just repeating the sources of Buddhism here to clarify pun187's opinions abt Buddha as a Prophet and his teachings as a revelation.

If you find the explanation given here portrays a negative attitude towards Prophetic religions, I can only assure that is not my intention, nor that of the Buddhist sources.

You must allow the fact that there are many people in this world who do not follow a Prophet or a revelatory religion as their faith. And just because these people have an explanation for their faith doesn't mean their attitude is degrading towards the Prophets in any way.

Salaam..

sorry for spelling ur nic name wrong lol tangawizi i just realised

Well I hope that pun understands that there is a sea of difference between budda's teachings and Prophets' teachings.

And plus, don't forget he never got any top scholars name and I already said what kind of scholar I mean.

And one more point - if someone makes an explanation using an incorrect base then the explanation will not be valid.

To claim that Prophets are seekers of fame is baseless and is proven so above.

what do i have to do to be in? :P

^^

hehe i remember you from India chat you haven't been areound for a while, right ? I think your pretty much in LOL

hehehe...yeah i was in india chat because i really totally didnt enjoy my 2 and half year stay over there,,,,ive been pretty busy with classes and thats why i havent been around much...but now im back in malaysia and ill be here 24/7 :P no more india..yeay!!!

pun187,you are really a good guy.
Everyone in AF loves you.

everyone is deeply loved in AF

Hi may I join?
I want to learn more about Islam, also Pun asked me to join.

salam is the short form of the islamic greeting As'salam'u alaykum it means "Peace be upon you"

welcome to tha Clan hehe & thanks for joining



thnx Afif LOL

btw there are some ppl who dislike me

leave us from that talk and let us talk something more important.

Every creation that exists, be it among entities or deeds, from the fine dust to the ^Arsh, and every movement, rest, intention, and thought of the slaves is created by Allaah.

Allaah said in Surat Ar-Ra^d, Ayah 16:



Which means: Say Allaah is the Creator of everything.

And Allaah said in Surat aS-Saaf-faat, Ayah 96:



Which means: Allaah created you and what you do.

Hence, no one other than Allaah-be it nature** or cause#-creates anything. Things become existent by Allaah’s Will, Power, and Destining, and in accordance with His eternal Knowledge,

**The nature of things means their specific normal characteristics (Tabee^ah) or ^aadah, as some scholars said. For example, the nature (Tabee^ah) of fire is to burn. The nature of something is not a creator of anything. The Creator of the fire and the burning is Allaah.

#The cause (^illah) is what precedes a certain result. For example, if one has a ring on one’s finger and moves one’s finger, the ring moves after the movement of one’s finger. So the movement of the finger according to them is the cause (^illah) for the movement of the ring.

Neither the laws of nature nor causes create anything in this universe.

Rather, Allaah is the only One Who creates.

By His Power, Allaah brings things into existence.

Allaah eternally knew about His creations and eternally He willed for them to exist.

Allaah is the Creator of everything.

As mentioned in the Qur’aan:

وَخَلَقَ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ

Surat al-Furqaan, Ayah 2 means: [Allaah created everything].

He brought all the creation from the state of non-existence into the state of existence.

No one creates with this meaning of creating except Allaah.

هَلْ مِنْ خَالِقٍ غَيْرُ اللَّهِ

Surat FaaTir, Ayah 3 means: [No one is the Creator except Allaah].

An-Nasafiyy said that if a person hit glass with a stone and broke it, then the acts of hitting and breaking and the state of being broken were created by Allaah.

The slave only acquires the act.

Allaah is the only One Who creates.

لَهَا مَا كَسَبَتْ وَعَلَيْهَا مَا اكْتَسَبَتْ

Surat al-Baqarah, Ayah 286 means: [Every individual self will be rewarded by Allaah for the good deeds it acquired and will be accountable for the sins it committed].

The creed of the People of Truth is that the slave is a creation of Allaah, and the doings of the slave are also creations of Allaah.

The slave does not create anything.

Allaah is the One Who creates the doings of the slave, and the slave only acquires his acts.

Beneficial Information: “The slave acquires his act” means that he directs his will and intention towards doing a particular deed, then Allaah creates that deed. Although the directing of the will and the doing of the deed are created by Allaah, still the slave is doing the directing and the deed—therefore he acquires his act. Hence, if someone runs intentionally, the fact that his intention and his running movements are created by Allaah does not negate that he is the one running intentionally, and thus, that he is accountable for his running.

Surat al-Anfaal, Ayah 17:



The killing and the throwing mentioned here are attributed to the slaves as acquisitions but attributed to Allaah as creations.

So if a person picks a stone from the ground, throws it at a piece of glass and breaks the glass, then breaking the glass by throwing the stone (which is the action of the slave) and the breaking of the glass (which occurs in the glass) are both created by Allaah.

Moreover, the slave’s intention to throw that stone at the glass, the hand by which he threw the stone, the action of throwing, and the stone he threw are all created by Allaah.

All that happens is a creation of Allaah.

Even one’s intentions, desires, inclinations, thoughts, and any changes in them are created by Allaah.


As related by al-Bayhaqiyy and others, the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said what means: <<The hearts of the slaves are under the control of Allaah. Allaah turns them the way He willed. >>

Hence, the one who deviates from this belief and claims that the slaves create their own voluntary actions is belying the Qur'aan and the Hadeeth.

This is why the top scholars hold the consensus that such a person is a blasphemer. Imaam al-Maatureediyy declared them as blasphemers as did Abu Mansoor al-Baghdaadiyy. Before them, many prominent scholars of the Salaf* declared as blasphemers those who say the slave creates his deeds. Furthermore, the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم declared them as blasphemers. And the sayings of the Prophet are sufficient.


However, saying that Allaah is the Creator of everything, including the intentions of the slave, does not mean that the slave does not have a choice.

The slave has a choice; however, his choice is under the Will of Allaah.

His choice does not reach to an extent that he creates his own actions.

Rather his own choice is a creation of Allaah and is under the Will of Allaah.

*The Salaf are the Companions, their followers, and their followers who lived within the first 300 Hijriyy years.

this is something short and sweet and i will always hold on to till the end of my life...

and i hope you will share this with me too and be something that you will always believe in


"Barang siapa menempuh satu jalan untuk mencari ilmu pengetahuan, maka dengan sebab kelakuannye itu, Allah akan menempuhkan satu jalan untuknya guna menuju ke syurga"
(Hadith riwayat Muslim)

Which language is that sis?

oh sorry...it says...

[font=Fixedsys][size=5]for each way and will you take to learn the knowledge of Allah you are a step closer to heaven