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samsparky
[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM' post='2431976']

Have you lived in Syria or Lebanon at all? Or have you been in Australia most of your life? [/quote]

Lived in Australia most of my life, lived in Lebanon for a bit and passed through Syria.


[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM' post='2431976']
I can only hope that Muslim principles may enrich what is already indigenous cultural practices and traditions
[/quote]

Tangawizi, Prophet Muhammad was not the only Messenger of God. Ala Mesengers of God preached the same belief which is the Islamic one and not all of them were Arab. That should be an indication to you that the call to Islam is not a call to become an Arab but a call to believe in God, the Messengers of God and to follow the Rules revealed to the Messenger of God.

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM' post='2431976']
I don't know if you see this happening with folks in the Syria or Lebanon?
[/quote]

Why? aren't syrians and Lebanese Arabs already?

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM' post='2431976']
It is true that Islam is a religion not a race, but it is also easy for the religious leaders to mix racial matter in their religious teachings. The Islamic clerics in Malaysia (many of whom claim lineages to the Arab clerical families) now ban these wayang kulit as Hindu superstitions against Islam. ][/quote]

How is that mixing race with Religion? That is identifying beliefs of a non-Muslim group within an act and hence declaring it unIslamic because of that. Race has nothing to do with it.

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM' post='2431976']
Is race not mixed into their religious teaching? ][/quote]

no

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM' post='2431976']
why did the Islamic ulemma suddenly realise that this traditional heritage is now against islamic teaching??
][/quote]

HOw should I know? Maybe they didn't know what it was. I don't know what it is. I'm just giving you a general rule. If an act is considered as part of someone's culture but it contains things which are against Islam then it is obviously un-Islamic. The person rejects it on that basis, not because it is un-Arab.

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM' post='2431976']
It is not bad habits we are talking about, but rather cultural heritage. ]][/quote]

If a person's cultural heritage was to bury female babies alive then it is against Islam and hence a bad habit. If a person's cultural heritage is to smoke weed then it is against Islam and a bad habit. God has Ordered the people to stay away from bad habits.

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM' post='2431976']
I think it is not right that Islamic clerics are telling native peoples that their cultural heritage is a bad habit and should be dropped. I can understand it the way the Prophet converted his Arab followers and persuaded them to drop their bedouin customs in favour of new Islamic ones. But in the case of Asian muslims, we are seeing that the Islamic clerics are telling followers only centuries later that their cultural heritage are wrong and against Islamic priinciples, and therefore should be banned. Why did they take so long to realise this? To me, it smells fishy and looks like a political game they are playing rather than spiritual teaching.
]][/quote]

tangawizi, like I said. If the cultural tradition does not contradict the rules of Islam it is allowed and why should anyone ban it just because it is not Arab.

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM' post='2431976']
My concern is that the Prophet's time was not exactly the most peaceful time of Islam. And this is still the same with muslim followers 1400 years later.. ]]][/quote]

How does that happen if when the Prophet was there, the people were united around him. And when Abu Bakr became caliph, the people were also united because everyone agreed. Even Imaam Ali. Imaam Ali is not a murderer of anybody because murder is a major sin and that makes trouble in the community.

There were some people who were greedy like I described to you and some who committed murder. But what are you trying to say? That the caliphs did not have the resources that george bush has to protect himself from the millions of assassins that want to kill him?



[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM' post='2431976']
Well Sams, my father also says thiings aren't what they used to be.. But how do you know what Muslim society was like before and that it is really better before? ]]][/quote]

How do I know what the Prophet said and what the Companions did and what the Scholars after them said and did?

Obviously through the authentic chains of narration where each person in the chain is assessed and the saying is classed according to how many chains it has.


[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM' post='2431976']
From Latin America, to Africa, Central Asia to the Far East, many people's lives are changing too fast and some of them have lost cultural compass, as they become urbanised too quickly and became too materialistic and find answers to everythiing with only logic and no sense of compassion or spiritual guidance. [/quote]

Logic if you mean by it the sound intellect is a witness to the truth. With it, you can prove the existence of God. But it alone does not tell you what God Ordered and what God forbade. One needs to rely on the Messenger of God who is supported by miracles which no one can challenge and hence the sound intellect tells you to believe in that person.

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM' post='2431976']
While others ............have chosen to cling to their spiritual faith for an answer to everything in life.
I think you belong to this second group. Am I right?
[/quote]

I don't understand your term "rat-race" or what you mean by it. Faith in Islam agrees with logic. Faith in Islam does not contradict logic. God created our sound intellect and everything. He Ordered us to believe in Him and believing in Him can be proven using the sound intellect. Have you seen that proof before or no?

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM' post='2431976']
Well, the problem here seems to be that even if you say that the Sunni ahllasunnah supports the Imaam Ali, the Shia supporters do not and have never supported the leaders of the Sunni ahllasunnah, isn't that right? So the schism goes on and on and on... with no end in sight. ][/quote]

I explained why the difference stays sometimes even after the debate is won.

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM' post='2431976']
Basically, the Islamic clerics are so dead concerned about the influence of women on their men that they preferred to keep them from doing mischief and creating discord amongst men! How sad! Maybe you can show me if I am wrong in my conclusion??
][/quote]

Who exactly are you talking about? Are you referring to the wahhabis who make up their own rules when it comes to women - prohibiting them from driving and uncovering their faces and speaking. Those are not Islamic rules. Those are preachings of the misguided wahhabis.

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM' post='2431976']
I know it may be disturbing for you to acknowledge that there is a Shia Qu'ran, but there is, and Shia theologians speak about the differences. Shia community has, at certain times in its history, derived one of its main tenets; namely, that there was an original, uncorrupted text which proclaimed Ali and the Imams as the rightful heirs of Muhammad. I will not get into this topic but maybe you can google it out and read about the issues surrounding the interpretations of the Shia Qu'ran. "Most educated Muslims are universally unaware of any variance of early codices, and the fact that there are variants is a fact which will shock contemporary Muslims greatly."
[/quote]

Like I said tangawizi, there is no 2 Qur'aans. There are different recitations yes but they give the same meaning and they are shared by all Muslims. I know a lot of shia people and I before you would have known it if they had a different Qur'aan.

If they had a different Qur'aan then how would ahlussunnah have debated them using the Qur'aan's Verses as a proof against them?

The Qur'aan is mutawaatir. Do you know what that means? That means that it is carried via soooooooooooooooooo many chains that it is impossible to have been corrupted.

People memorize the whole Qur'aan by heart, they would notice if someone changed it.


QUOTE(tangawizi @ Oct 28 2006, 07:08 PM) [snapback]2431995[/snapback]

I guess in a way, the Ahlussunnah is different because it is so unorganized without any hierarchy!


who said that ahlussunnah doesn't have an organisation and heirarchy.

In Egypt and many other countries there are the Universities of al-Azhar, in different countries there are Daarul-Fatwahs.

Even in Australia there is Darul-Fatwa which includes ahlussunnah from all different ethnicities.

www.darulfatwa.org.au

tangawizi
Hi Sams, I think you are very keen to teach islam to others. I don't know if you are an understudy with a cleric, but can women become a cleric in the Ahllasunnah? Are you doing any studies in an Australian school or university? I always wonder how it is like to reconcile a degree in maths or science with religious study. It must not be easy..

Well, coming back to our thread, you said that aren't syrians and Lebanese Arabs already? I know you are ethnically arabs, but you do have differences with the Saudis I am quite sure of that. Differences in terms of dress, speech and customs and behavior, not to mention the cuisine!

When you say that How is that mixing race with Religion? That is identifying beliefs of a non-Muslim group within an act and hence declaring it unIslamic because of that. Race has nothing to do with it. Perhaps you have not been brought up in a multicultural setting, but rather a more homogenous country where even though there are syrian or lebanese christians and muslims, you are ethnically the same. Southeast asian have different ethnic groups liviing together, very diverse from one another. Indians, Malays, Chinese, Eurasians etc.. When someone says that the custom of shadow puppets is now unislamic and ought to be banned because of its Hindu origin after it has been a traditional art of the Malay peoples for many centuries, won't you agree that it has something to do with race or one's ethnic origins? Asian muslims are being told by the islamic cleric that their Hindu heritage is now unislamic and ought to be abandoned. What is deemed as proper and islamic nowadays are derived from the trends in the Middle East.

Asian muslims are asked to abandon their original heritage in favour of Arab heritage.

Now that you live in Australia, in a multicultural setting, I am sure you come across cases where you feel pressure to abandon your heritage and conform with the Australian trend or cultural tradition, am I not right?

Well, such pressure to change our heritage and traditions are what I am trying to tell you that we are all facing everyday in this fast-paced modern society (we call this the 'rat-race'). So, while you live in Australia as a migrant, you will face pressure to be Australianised. I am trying to point out to you that the young asian muslims in my country do face pressure to be more Islamic in their thoughts and behavior, which for me to be honest, can be turned into a form of Arabization, i.e. copying the trends and habits of Arabs. This is an emerging phenomenon.. that is affecting muslim youths not just in Southeast Asia but South Asia as well, as possibly, elsewhere such as Australia where muslim communities have migrated and set up their new home.

When you say Who exactly are you talking about? Are you referring to the wahhabis who make up their own rules when it comes to women - prohibiting them from driving and uncovering their faces and speaking. Those are not Islamic rules. Those are preachings of the misguided wahhabis. Well, I don't refer to only Wahhabi clerics who make up their own rules when it comes to women, but to any muslim cleric when they come to talk about women as having a secondary role to men and saying this is all supported by the hadiths or the suras in the Qu'ran. I think that this kind of thinking has come from the historical account of how Islam was split into two by a woman who indirectly instigated the assassination of Imam Ali. Many insecure and misguided muslim men must think that women are the cause of all evil in men.

Well, that said, whenever I think about how the Bible seems to say the same thing, that Eve convinced Adam to eat the apple, I think this problem afflicts all insecure and misguided men. Not just muslim men obviously.


Logic if you mean by it the sound intellect is a witness to the truth. With it, you can prove the existence of God. But it alone does not tell you what God Ordered and what God forbade. One needs to rely on the Messenger of God who is supported by miracles which no one can challenge and hence the sound intellect tells you to believe in that person.

Sams, be careful of anyone who claim to be witnesses to miracles or are miracle makers themselves. There are just too many swindlers like these on this planet, especially here in Africa, where many poor and desperate folks have believed false prophets who claim miracles and the signs of the Judgment Day is coming. They have been swindled of their properties and sometimes even their lives are perished.


The Qur'aan is mutawaatir. Do you know what that means? That means that it is carried via soooooooooooooooooo many chains that it is impossible to have been corrupted.

I know what is mutawaatir... but I cannot help but think that whilst the chain of transmission is extremely important for the Word of Allah to be preserved for all eternity for each and every muslim in their personal daily connection with Allah, this concept unfortunately has not allowed Islam to innovate economically and politically.

We know that Muslims not only live their lives according to Islamic teachings, they are supposed to trade and be governed under islamic rules (shari'a). It is increasingly apparent that the concept of mutawaatir does not allow much improvement in the economic and political systems of muslims. This economic and political stagnancy affects not only rich Muslim states like Saudi Arabia and Sudan, but also poorer ones like Egypt, Afghanistan, Somalia. It also affects those more stable Muslim states like Pakistan, Bangladesh...their economies and political systems are not very stable and do not generate growth and jobs for its peoples.

In fact, perhaps some political leaders like the House of Sauds and their Wahhabi clerics abuse the concept of mutawaatir to forbid the allahsunnah from participating fully and actively in the economic and political life of their countries.

So my point is this : while Mutawaatir may be important for every Muslim to maintan a divine personal connection with Allah, on the political and economic fronts in many Muslim states, it is causing stagnation and oppression of the Muslims by their leaders. Do you agree with this analysis?

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who said that ahlussunnah doesn't have an organisation and heirarchy.
In Egypt and many other countries there are the Universities of al-Azhar, in different countries there are Daarul-Fatwahs.

Even in Australia there is Darul-Fatwa which includes ahlussunnah from all different ethnicities.


Can you tell me more about the hierarchies the Universities of Al-Azhar or the Daarul-Fatwahs have? Who is their leaders and what do they do with the other religious leaders such as the Pope and the Dalai Lama? Do they have dialogues with these leaders so as to forge peace on thsi planet and to stop the terrorists who make use of fundamentalist ideologies as well as putting pressures on Western governments to change their foreign policies in the Middle East? I look forward to knowing more about this aspect of Islamic development.
samsparky
[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 30 2006, 05:09 AM' post='2435444']
Hi Sams, I think you are very keen to teach islam to others. [/quote]

Yes alHamdu lillaah because as we have repeated, knowledge is so important to fight deviant groups claiming to be Muslims nd to recognise them and get everyone else to recognise them and not be fooled by them.

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 30 2006, 05:09 AM' post='2435444']
I don't know if you are an understudy with a cleric, but can women become a cleric in the Ahllasunnah?[/quote]

I don't know what you mean by understudy or by cleric icon_smile.gif I am taking knowledge from the chain through several teachers of Religion yes - shaykhs if thats what you mean by cleric and shaykhas which is the female version.

Yes it is possible in Islam for a female to be a shaykha and there were many and still are many, the most Knowedgable one is Lady ^aa'ishah who reached the rank of mujtahid maa shaa' Allaah what a great rank to reach. Do you know how much you need to memorize for that icon_smile.gif maa shaa' Allaah


[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 30 2006, 05:09 AM' post='2435444']
Are you doing any studies in an Australian school or university? I always wonder how it is like to reconcile a degree in maths or science with religious study. It must not be easy..?[/quote]

I'm doing medical science in university. It is easy tangawizi, because Religion is logical and science is just theories. Anyways doing medical science cuts a lot of the theories out of it alHamdu lillaah my project doesn't have to be about something I don't even believe in like evolution - them and their missing link that they can't hack is non-existent. In medical science, most of it is practical - things that truly you can test or see in the microscope - not something which scientists make up because they don't want to believe in the Creator. You do come across here and there their mention of their theories but I don't believe that this whole world came without the Creator creating it and I don't believe that we were created as animals.

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 30 2006, 05:09 AM' post='2435444']
Well, coming back to our thread, you said that aren't syrians and Lebanese Arabs already? I know you are ethnically arabs, but you do have differences with the Saudis I am quite sure of that. Differences in terms of dress, speech and customs and behavior, not to mention the cuisine!..?[/quote]

I don't see lebanese and syrians copying the saudis in their accent, or cuisine.

As far as their dress goes please differentiate between what is commonly encouraged in Islam for all Muslims and between saudi dress which they designed themselves without copying the habit of the Companions or the Prophet or his wives.


[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 30 2006, 05:09 AM' post='2435444']
When you say that How is that mixing race with Religion? That is identifying beliefs of a non-Muslim group within an act and hence declaring it unIslamic because of that. Race has nothing to do with it. Perhaps you have not been brought up in a multicultural setting, but rather a more homogenous country where even though there are syrian or lebanese christians and muslims, you are ethnically the same. !..?[/quote]

lol you are calling australia homogeneous lol I think tangawizi I have a big example of different ethnicities embracing Islam. I have the example of all the asians in Australia. They are not required to start making Arabic food when they become Muslim, nor do they need to stip making chinese food. The only thing is that they need to watch out not to use pork anymore because that is something that might have been in their tradition but now they became muslim and realised that it is against the rules revealed by God.

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 30 2006, 05:09 AM' post='2435444']
When someone says that the custom of shadow puppets is now unislamic and ought to be banned because of its Hindu origin after it has been a traditional art of the Malay peoples for many centuries, won't you agree that it has something to do with race or one's ethnic origins? !..?[/quote]

Isn't hinduism a Religion? If a certain practice contains hindu beliefs then it is unIslamic by definition. Again nothing to do with race. Whether these shadows truly hold hindu beliefs or not I do not know. But if they do then they are unIslamic.

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 30 2006, 05:09 AM' post='2435444']
What is deemed as proper and islamic nowadays are derived from the trends in the Middle East.
Asian muslims are asked to abandon their original heritage in favour of Arab heritage. !..?[/quote]

Like I said, becoming muslim does not mean becoming Arab. And being ARab is not necessarily being Muslim.

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 30 2006, 05:09 AM' post='2435444']
Now that you live in Australia, in a multicultural setting, I am sure you come across cases where you feel pressure to abandon your heritage and conform with the Australian trend or cultural tradition, am I not right?!..?[/quote]

No, being autralian doesn't mean not being from an Arab cultural background. But I'm not going to deny the fact that I was born here and lived here so I am Australian. Likewise:

Being Muslim does not mean being Arab. The Prophets before Prophet Muhammad who called to Islam -not all of them were Arab. They were calling to Islam not Arab. When a person becomes Muslim of course that person will try to be more in line with what the Prophets came with. That did not mean becoming ARab before Prophet MuHammad and it did not mean becoming Arab in the time of Prophet MuHammad and it does not mean that after his death.

Arabic and Islamic are 2 things not 1. Many Arabs are Muslims yes. But there are ARabs who are not Muslims. The Arabs who did not believe in Prophet MuHammad were Arabs. Are you calling them Islamic?


[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 30 2006, 05:09 AM' post='2435444']
Many insecure and misguided muslim men must think that women are the cause of all evil in men. ?!..?[/quote]

Well those men are misguided as you called them. Whoever claims something is part of Islam while knowing that Islam rejects that thing becomes a non-Muslim.

Again an example of why knowledge is so important in correcting misconceptions.


[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 30 2006, 05:09 AM' post='2435444']
Sams, be careful of anyone who claim to be witnesses to miracles or are miracle makers themselves. There are just too many swindlers like these on this planet, especially here in Africa, where many poor and desperate folks have believed false prophets who claim miracles ?!..?[/quote]

A miracle is 4 things:

1) An extra ordinary occurence. Not just strange but actually extra-ordinary. Like when the staff of Prophet Moses turned into a snake.
2) Done by one who says he is a Prophet of God.
3) Happens in accordance with his saying.
4) Can not be challenged or discredited. This is why the magicians of pharaoh's time all converted to Islam. because when they saw the miracle they knew that it was not at all like the witchcraft they were doing.


[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 30 2006, 05:09 AM' post='2435444']
The Qur'aan is mutawaatir. Do you know what that means? That means that it is carried via soooooooooooooooooo many chains that it is impossible to have been corrupted.

I know what is mutawaatir... but I cannot help but think that whilst the chain of transmission is extremely important for the Word of Allah to be preserved .......this concept unfortunately has not allowed Islam to innovate economically and politically. ?!..?[/quote]

So you are saying you want Muslims to try to change the Qur'aan - the Orders of God - and lie to themselves about what God Ordered them to do and forbade them from doing.

If a person does that then obviously he or she does not really believe that the Qur'aan contains what God ordered us to do and what He forbade us from doing.

Muslims know what God Ordered and what He forbade. They know that this life is that place of working and the next life is where you reap what you planted.

No one is saying to Muslims: "do not try to be successful in this life", but make sure that you do not forget to build up your rewards for the everlasting abode.

that way a Muslim person would benefit the Muslims of the future and at the same time, earn rewards from the Creator if that person had the correct intention while doing that.

what is the point of claiming you follow the Qur'aan if you changed it? Obviously you would be lying to yourself.


[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 30 2006, 05:09 AM' post='2435444']
This economic and political stagnancy affects not only rich Muslim states like Saudi Arabia and Sudan, but also poorer ones like Egypt, Afghanistan, Somalia. It also affects those more stable Muslim states like Pakistan, Bangladesh...their economies and political systems are not very stable and do not generate growth and jobs for its peoples. ?!..?[/quote]]

These poverty problems are not from Islam. They are from the greed of the rich. Islamically, a person can give in charity his whole money to a person if he wanted to, he can give half, he can give a quarter. The choice of the people not to give is keeping the poor poor.

Islamically the rich people are obligated to give each year to the poor, if they truly followed this then you would not find so much poverty.

If you found more people working and giving parts of their wages to a poor person or even just to their poor Muslim brother or sister, you would not see this poverty.

So, these problems you are mentioning are from the rich loving their money and possessions and not giving it up to give it in charity for the sake of God.


[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 30 2006, 05:09 AM' post='2435444']
it is causing stagnation and oppression of the Muslims by their leaders. Do you agree with this analysis??!..?[/quote]]

No, like I said, what is causing such problems is people's greed. Islam does not encourage greed at all. Islam encourages sharing and donation.

[quote name='tangawizi' date='Oct 30 2006, 05:09 AM' post='2435444']
Can you tell me more about the hierarchies the Universities of Al-Azhar or the Daarul-Fatwahs have? Who is their leaders and what do they do with the other religious leaders such as the Pope and the Dalai Lama? Do they have dialogues with these leaders so as to forge peace on thsi planet and to stop the terrorists who make use of fundamentalist ideologies as well as putting pressures on Western governments to change their foreign policies in the Middle East? I look forward to knowing more about this aspect of Islamic development.
[/quote]

I will give you some examples in Australia. In Australia darulfatwa is a group of Muslims made up of groups of Muslims who all want to unite against misleaders claiming to preach Islam.

so, when a persn of the misleaders makes a wrong comment in the media for example or it just gets around, darulfatwa presents the proofs against it, warns the people about it, and if it involves something really big, they make a meeting with people from the parliament and talk to them.

For example, the issue of terrorists. when darulfatwa felt that the Muslim community felt it was being victimized by labelling the terrorists as Islamic. Darulfawta organised a summit with the government and told them about the 3 main terror groups and how they only claim to be Muslim but in reality their teachings do not agree with Islam. They presented the proofs of what they were saying and asked the media to not call these terrorists Islamic because that helps the terrorists get support from the ignorant people in the public.

Whether the media listened to them or not is not really their fault. I mean they told them straight out not to use that word, what more can they do?
Rocky Cuong V
Sorry I need to ask you guys a question; what is the difference between Islam and Muslim?
samsparky
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Sorry I need to ask you guys a question; what is the difference between Islam and Muslim?


I thank you for asking icon_smile.gif

Islam is the name of the Religion that Muslims follow.

So Muslims are the people the follow the Religion called Islam.
tangawizi
QUOTE(samsparky @ Oct 30 2006, 02:45 AM) [snapback]2435971[/snapback]

so, when a persn of the misleaders makes a wrong comment in the media for example or it just gets around, darulfatwa presents the proofs against it, warns the people about it, and if it involves something really big, they make a meeting with people from the parliament and talk to them.


Are you referring to this incident that is going on in Australia at the moment? Is Sheik Taj Aldin al-Hilali your religious leader? What do you think motivated him to say that what he said? What he said is what some people think in the mind, when a girl is immodestly dressed, she asked for it.. There was so many movies about this issue of women's liberty and rights... Have you seen the movie The Accused (with Jodie Forster)? Women all over the world need to fight against such a mentality, not just against the religious leader in Australia. The jury and court system also prejudices against womens rights in rape charges. Talktohand.gif



"Australia's Muslim Leader Takes Leave
Monday October 30, 2006 9:31 AM

AP Photo SYD102

SYDNEY, Australia (AP) - Australia's top Islamic cleric, who sparked outrage by saying that immodestly dressed women invite rape, said Monday that his words were ``inappropriate and unacceptable'' and he was taking indefinite leave.

Sheik Taj Aldin al-Hilali issued the statement from a Sydney hospital after collapsing Monday during a crisis meeting with Muslim leaders.

A national newspaper reported last week that al-Hilali had compared women who do not wear head scarves to ``uncovered meat'' in a sermon at the mosque.

``I confess that this analogy is inappropriate and unacceptable for the Australian society and the western society in general,'' al-Hilali said Monday. ``In due course, I will take the necessary decision that will lift the pressures that have been placed on our Australian Muslim community and that which will benefit all Australians.''

``The pressure of the last couple of days has had an obvious effect on my health and well-being,'' he said, adding that he had requested indefinite leave from his duties at Lakemba Mosque in Sydney.

Some local media speculated that the 65-year-old Egyptian-born Sunni cleric intended to resign. "
samsparky
I was referring to it and every example like it.

THis man al-hilali is not my religious leader neither is he the leader of the majority of Muslims.

This is not the first time he says something wrong.

He has been saying wrong things ever since I can remember.

ANd each time he says something wrong, the people of ahlussunnah warn against him.

This is the email i forwarded to my contacts about this issue:

Please let a few things in Islam be clear:

1)It is STRICTLY PROHIBITED for a male and female to even touch each other’s hands if they are not unmarriageable to each other (e.g. sibling, direct uncle or grandfather) or if they are not married.

2)It is FORBIDDEN to lustfully look at a man or woman of the opposite sex no matter what they are wearing. (If even a look is forbidden how then can a touch let alone rape be acceptable?)

3)Islam respects women!! Yes a woman must cover her body at all times to those who are unlawful to her but Islam does not in anyway allow that a woman who isn’t covered to be lustfully looked at, touched or RAPED. A second look by a man is not even allowed in her direction.

4)Sex for a man to ANYONE other than his wife/wives is AGAINST THE RELIGION!! Anyone who commits this act before marriage and does not sincerely repent of it fulfilling the conditions of repentance will be accountable for that on Judgement Day.

5)Males are not excused under the claim that they are unable to control themselves. An entire month is dedicated to self sacrifice for both the male and female. Ramadan teaches the Muslim not only to refrain from food and water but also from SEX during the day! A woman dressing in a luring manner and a male claiming to not be able to control himself is no excuse accepted by God!

6)Any male or female who takes it upon themselves to justify rape as 'girls deserving it' is going against the teachings of Islam 100%! Raping such a woman even if she is uncovered is HARAM (strictly against the religion) and is in no way tolerated. The only ones that deserve to be punished for it are the ones who commit that crime!

and the email I send to those who want to defend him:

This man's words were on the website of "the Australian" in full - about 15 minutes of talking.

The way he expressed himself was like it's not the cat's fault for eating the meat left outside...

Even if you were to excuse his explicit words and say he meant something else, this is not the first time this guy comes up with something that doesn't comply with Islam.

Let me ask you something, did you see the crescent on the night before the day of Monday?
If you didn't then no one who fasted on sunday should have broke their fast on monday and left the month at 29 days.

The Prophet said what means: {Fast when you see the crescent (of RamaDaan) and stop fasting when you see the crescent (of Shawwaal), if you were blocked from seeing it, complete the month to 30 days.}

And there are many similar Hadeeths which indicate that the only time a person fasts 29 days is if that person sees the crescent on the night after sunday, the 29th day of Fasting.

Even the people of Indonesia who fasted on sunday, didn't have Eid on Monday, they had eid on tuesday.
And the people in Australia who were relying on locally sighting the crescent rather than worldwide, they started fasting on Monday and they finished on Tuesday - 29 days because they saw the crescent after Monday.

So you see what he did to the people? He told them Fasting started on sunday and ended it for them on monday when in actual fact this was wrong. And subHaanallaah many people were told the Hadeeth and yet they choose to just follow this man. If the Prophet wanted us to rely on calculating the moon - which anyway turned out wrong this time - then he would have told us because the Prophet is revealed to about certain matters that will happen to his nation. But the Prophet didn't tell us to rely on calculations. Even the calculators differ amongst themselves, so the way to unite the nation of Prophet Muhammad is to unite them on his Hadeeths.
purple
sh. taj's statements have totally been taken out of context! no where did he say that a girl who has been raped deserves it because she was dressed like a whorebag! you can interpret his statements anyway you like, and i could come up with a whole lot of differing meanings esp. when using the metaphor he used. i hope he recovers and continues being the imam at lakemba mosque and i hope everyone else can see through the lies and his misrepresentation!
samsparky
You are acting as if this is his first time to say something wrong.

Did you forget how every year he determines RamaDaan and Eidul-Fitr (not eidul aDhaa , i wonder why) by his own opinion.

Did you forget that a few years ago he was accused of stealing artifacts and was about to be hanged in Egypt. The proof is in the Egyptian newspapers.

Did you forget that he started telling people you can go to any meat shop even if you don;t know for sure that the meal is halaal, just say bismillaah and eat. wal3iyaathu billaah he made the haraam 7alaal. By Ijmaa^ the meat which one is unsure of is haraam to eat and that is in the Prophet's Hadeeth.

Before you defend him, know what you are getting yourself into.

tangawizi
Sigh...... Sams, Purple, this is the prime example of however much the chain of transmission is celebrated by the allahsunnah, there will always still be interpretation differences that cause problems for the muslim followers in society.

Unfortunately I am not sure how the logic of chain of transmission can ever resolve such problems where errant Imams start to interpret hadiths or suras according to their own chain/link, and their followers just follow blindly without any question. Particularly when they are leaders of a migrant community in a non-Muslim state like Australia and they choose to say things contrary to the laws of the land. That is an incitement to commit crimes, and definitely not the kind of moral teachings that are spiritually acceptable in a plural society such as Australia.

Sams, it is sad to see that as a muslim, you have had to send out emails to your peers in order to correct the wrongful statements of a religious muslim leader.

It is also sad to see Purple having to defend the muslim leader in a public forum such as AF that he has been wrongly accused and misinterpreted.

This is causing very negative impact on the image of the muslim community who wants to be accepted by everybody as peaceful and united peoples who are rightly guided.

Perhaps Purple is right that the Australian media and journalists are targetting and building up a kind of Islamophobia to force the local muslims to integrate better and discard their old-fashioned islamic customs (such as covering up) for secular australian modes of behavior. If this truly the case, then all the more muslim leaders should stand united and present a unified and peaceful platform to the plural society at large.

But the sad fact remains, that within the muslim community, there are muslim youths like Purple and Sams who are forced to be divided by the wrongful or misguidance of errant Imams or political people like Bin Laden who incite terrorism in the name of islam. This is not a good and stable environment for I can understand how easy a muslim youth can grow up feeling resentful and frustrated about their moral convictions which are being criticized left right and center and want to see a vindication of their moral convictions no matter how right or wrong these are.

I strongly believe that today's muslim youths are increasingly suffering from resentment and frustration because some of the errant leaders have decided to force islam into the public spheres, instead of keeping religion rightfully in the personal spheres. When any religion is forced into the political, socio-economic spheres, it will create conflicts and resentment inevitably. Like Bin Laden is wrong in forcing Islam to be politicized as a tool of terror for political ends. Likewise, this Imam is wrong in forcing the islamic custom of covering up to all women in society of whatever faiths and creeds. That said, even secular values in the west like democracy and freedom of speech are becoming like a religious mantra that is being forced by leaders like GW Bush into the political sphere on other folks around the world.

One thing I feel is there can be no real freedom of speech in our plural societies because of our different moral convictions. We live in a plural world, where there are all kinds of religious convictions. We should keep our religion in the private realm and be vigilant where religion is being politicized for conflicts.

As much as we protest the cartoons of the Prophet, religious leaders must also refrain from venturing into the public realm with statements on religions and moral customs. These should remain strictly in the personal and private realm of our lives. Everybody has their own way to connect with God/Allah/Buddha/Evolution etc... No one should impinge on the other their moral convictions.

That said, I also believe that it is inevitable that Religion will be politicized by leaders. In such a case, I would hope that the leader is politiciziing the religion for peace and integration and not chaos and division.

I know some folks would criticize how I see democracy or freedom of speech as equivalent to religious mantras, but unfortunately, increasingly this is how some people have regarded these concepts as such. And until we recognise this, we won't be able to see a separation of faith and governance in the lives of peoples around the world. And most critically, an acceptance of all plural forms of governance in this ever increasingly complicated world.

Just my two cents. shrug.gif
samsparky
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Oct 31 2006, 02:30 PM) [snapback]2439440[/snapback]

Sigh...... Sams, Purple, this is the prime example of however much the chain of transmission is celebrated by the allahsunnah, there will always still be interpretation differences that cause problems for the muslim followers in society.


tangawizi, this man didn't take knowledge from the chain.

WHo are his teachers? no person who is renown to be knowledgable for example in the Azhar uiversity will even acknowledge him.

He got a foot hold in Australia because he came when the Islamic knowledge here was weak and he fooled the people into thinking he was knowledgable.
samsparky
It is like if a person with some knowledge about medicine but who has been banned from medical practise in another country, comes to the people who have limited knowledge about medicine.

With no one to recognise his faults, the community is prey to his false diagnoses.

Once knowledge of medicine starts to prevail in the community, people start to realise that this man is an imposter and despite his support from the ignorant people he has been fooling for years, they can not just leave the community as prey to him.
tangawizi
QUOTE(samsparky @ Oct 31 2006, 12:35 PM) [snapback]2439846[/snapback]

tangawizi, this man didn't take knowledge from the chain.

WHo are his teachers? no person who is renown to be knowledgable for example in the Azhar uiversity will even acknowledge him.

He got a foot hold in Australia because he came when the Islamic knowledge here was weak and he fooled the people into thinking he was knowledgable.



Sams, don't you wonder how many Imams are there like him running around in the world claimiing that he is knowledgeable of the chain, and fooling muslims who don't know better?

Isn't there a way muslims around the world can refer to a body of Islamic teachings which are world standards for all muslims to follow? On issues ranging from terrorism to thiings like food and dress codes?

Islamophobia is now on the rise due to the ongoing political turmoil in the Middle East and terrorism fear, the actions and words of misguided teachers like this Imam is even more damaging. It's time to have a world Islamic Council or body to unite the ummas and present a unified and proper teaching according to the chain of transmission from Al Azhar, don't you think?

We have enough of Bin Ladens or Imams like him who are not following the chain but who are effectively instigating those impressionable muslims around the world to break not just moral guidelines but international laws as well. What do you say to this criticism?
samsparky
Actually tangawizi, such misleaders don't talk to their students about the chain that much otherwise they might start asking questions.

But it doesn't take that much knowledge to realise whether or not someone is misleading you. You just need to keep asking for proof and if the person really has extensive proofs including Verses, Hadeeths, sayings of Companions, sayings of well-known mujtahid scholars accross the centuries, he would not be a misleader. That extensive proof would prove that he or she is a member of the true chain of knowledge.

It is the lack of asking for proof and choosing to be lazy and just follow, that is letting the misleaders have a place as leaders.

So, not only is the misleader blamed but the person who follows him is also blamed. Why didn't that person make sure that this leader is preaching correctly?

Don't you make sure that you go a a doctor who is not stupid? Because these days not only is there a lot of unfit people for leadership in Religion pretending they are fit for the job, there are also many unfit doctors pretending they are fit for the job.

People should make sure before they take anything from either.
tangawizi
QUOTE(samsparky @ Nov 1 2006, 06:18 AM) [snapback]2441659[/snapback]

Actually tangawizi, such misleaders don't talk to their students about the chain that much otherwise they might start asking questions.

But it doesn't take that much knowledge to realise whether or not someone is misleading you. You just need to keep asking for proof and if the person really has extensive proofs including Verses, Hadeeths, sayings of Companions, sayings of well-known mujtahid scholars accross the centuries, he would not be a misleader. That extensive proof would prove that he or she is a member of the true chain of knowledge.


Frankly if you are newbie to Islam and you ask for the proofs of the chains etc etc... whatever chain is shown to you, how would you know that the chain is authentic? You would have to spend your whole life buried in islamic theology and never get any work done! embarassedlaugh.gif

QUOTE(samsparky @ Nov 1 2006, 06:18 AM) [snapback]2441659[/snapback]

It is the lack of asking for proof and choosing to be lazy and just follow, that is letting the misleaders have a place as leaders.

So, not only is the misleader blamed but the person who follows him is also blamed. Why didn't that person make sure that this leader is preaching correctly?

Don't you make sure that you go a a doctor who is not stupid? Because these days not only is there a lot of unfit people for leadership in Religion pretending they are fit for the job, there are also many unfit doctors pretending they are fit for the job.

People should make sure before they take anything from either.


Its funny but I just realise that you are trying to take a rational approach to religion, by always asking questions and proof of the chain of authenticity. but for millions of people around the world, they don't bother with such theology because in their troubled lives, they prefer to just believe with a simple act of faith. Not everyone has the time nor inclination to question their Imam or the Pastor what is the religious books say ing about this and if this can be authenticated to the sources. It just isn't practical. People tend to resort to religious teachings seriously only when they are in trouble. When life is good, most people forget the demands of religious teachings. Don't you agree?

Sams, do you spend more time reading islamic theology or your medical books? biggrin.gif

samsparky
Don't think its that easy to give a false chain and get away with it. When asking for proof of a Hadeeth, you also ask in which of the 6 books you can find that. And where in that book and a photocopy of the page icon_wink.gif

That will not only help you to find the true chain but also it will help you in the future when debating.
samsparky
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For me, in good and bad times I learn my Religion. And ask for proofs because I want to make sure that I am doing things correctly. Just like I am concerned whether or not my doctor is giving me the correct diagnosis or not. You never know, maybe that doctor forgot to check something or is tired from the long hours of work - I make sure that I get the best quality of advice I can because you know what kind of disasters a bad diagnosis can lead to. Similarly, not caring about the quality of the information you are receiving about religious matters can lead to a huge disaster. It can lead you to thinking that you are doing things correctly all that time and then later finding out that had you put in that extra bit of effort to check the quality of the knowledge you were receiving, you would have been correct from the beginning and not wrong all this time.

I don't really spend that much time reading. Most of my reading is revising what i took in lectures. Both for Religion & medical science.
tangawizi
QUOTE(samsparky @ Nov 2 2006, 04:28 AM) [snapback]2443894[/snapback]

Don't think its that easy to give a false chain and get away with it. When asking for proof of a Hadeeth, you also ask in which of the 6 books you can find that. And where in that book and a photocopy of the page icon_wink.gif

That will not only help you to find the true chain but also it will help you in the future when debating.


Interesting...can you tell me which of the 6 books do the allahsunnah rely on for the chain apart from the Qu'ran?

I once went to India and saw Tibetan monks sitting around in a temple courtyard debating non-stop about their theology too. It's quite interesting to see people vigorously re-examining the theology which are centuries old. icon_smile.gif
samsparky
These are books in which the Hadeeth was collected and the chain back to the Prophet narrated.

SaHeeH Imaam al-Bukhaariyy

SaHeeH Imaam Muslim

As-sunan for Abu Daawood

Sunan of the Haafith at-tirmithiyy

Sunan of the Haafith an-Nasaa'iyy

Sunan of al-Haafith ibn Maajah

In addition to this, MuwaT-Ta' of Imaam Maalik is mentioned.

This is why when Muslims mention a Hadeeth, the mention "narrated by ..." e.g. "narrated by Muslim"



These books were not just written without the writer teaching them to his students.

These books were taught to the students of the writer who taught them to their students and so on as I keep re-iterating to show you that the understanding of them is the same by everyone who took them by this chain of knowledge.

Among those people who took it from this chain, there is no debate. The debate is against the person who strays from this chain.
samsparky
Weekly Advice

Health and Time

Al-Bukhariyy and others narrated from the route of Ibn ^Abbas (may Allah raise his rank) that the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu ^alayhi wasallam) said:

عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما قال
قَالَ رَسُولُ اللهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم :نِعْمتَانِ مَغْبُونٌ فِيهِمَا كَثِيرٌ مِنَ النَّاسِ: الصِّحَّةُ وَالْفَرَاغ
. رواه البخاري وغيره.


Which means: There are two great endowments which many people are not benefiting from wisely: they are the good health and the free time.

In this hadith the Prophet urged us to use our bodies when we are in a good health and our free time in the right and beneficial way. He also showed us the great loss of the one who doesn’t know how to use these two great endowments in obedience to Allah.

Such a person will regret after he loses these endowments. On Judgement Day, this person will regret having wasted his time at a time when regret is of no use.

On the other hand, the one who has a good health and occupies his free time in obeying Allah will be a happy person in the Hereafter.
tangawizi
QUOTE(samsparky @ Nov 2 2006, 11:27 AM) [snapback]2444752[/snapback]

These are books in which the Hadeeth was collected and the chain back to the Prophet narrated.

SaHeeH Imaam al-Bukhaariyy

SaHeeH Imaam Muslim

As-sunan for Abu Daawood

Sunan of the Haafith at-tirmithiyy

Sunan of the Haafith an-Nasaa'iyy

Sunan of al-Haafith ibn Maajah

In addition to this, MuwaT-Ta' of Imaam Maalik is mentioned.

This is why when Muslims mention a Hadeeth, the mention "narrated by ..." e.g. "narrated by Muslim"
These books were not just written without the writer teaching them to his students.

These books were taught to the students of the writer who taught them to their students and so on as I keep re-iterating to show you that the understanding of them is the same by everyone who took them by this chain of knowledge.

Among those people who took it from this chain, there is no debate. The debate is against the person who strays from this chain.


Hi hi sams, can you list the year when as well as where these books were written? thx!

pun187
Assalamoalaikum Warahmatullahe Wabarakatohu

I received this as an e-mail today.

QUOTE

Dear Brothers & Sisters in Islam, an Australian Newspaper made the plan to publish a new cartoon series of our beloved Prophet (PBUH). But before sending the Cartoons to the Publication Department, they asked people for Referendum on their website. To stop the Publication we need 3000000 Signatures against it & Masha'Allah we have already have 2074290 signatures against. Here is the link, just click & Vote against this act.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/vote.aspx?qid=2106

Don't Hesitate to put Your Vote against it & Please Forward this Message to all Your Muslims Friends and Friends where you think they are not agressive against humanity.

"In complete darkness we are all the same. It is only our knowledge and wisdom that separates us. Don't let your eyes decieve you".

Astromantic
Thank God you showed this to me, Pun. I've clicked no on that vote and I have told my friends on the internet about this. Let's hope that we get 3 million voters.
Jagger
Thanks for telling us Pun. We still need a million more votes, so let's spread the word.
samheisfl
Hmm.. thanx pun for the info.. i've spread it already..

Insyallah we will get the 3mill vote for that.. amin..
tangawizi
QUOTE(pun187 @ Nov 6 2006, 08:40 PM) [snapback]2457163[/snapback]

Assalamoalaikum Warahmatullahe Wabarakatohu

I received this as an e-mail today.


QUOTE
Dear Brothers & Sisters in Islam, an Australian Newspaper made the plan to publish a new cartoon series of our beloved Prophet (PBUH). But before sending the Cartoons to the Publication Department, they asked people for Referendum on their website. To stop the Publication we need 3000000 Signatures against it & Masha'Allah we have already have 2074290 signatures against. Here is the link, just click & Vote against this act.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/vote.aspx?qid=2106

Don't Hesitate to put Your Vote against it & Please Forward this Message to all Your Muslims Friends and Friends where you think they are not agressive against humanity.

"In complete darkness we are all the same. It is only our knowledge and wisdom that separates us. Don't let your eyes decieve you".



Pun, the poll seems to be referring to the Danish cartoons whether they ought to be published in Aussie papers, rather than fresh cartoon series of the Prophet. Have you verified the source of this email? It could be a ruse to collect email addresses.
tangawizi
Seeking insight from Muslim/Christian history

By JOHN L. ALLEN JR.
New York

Christianity's original experts on Islam were neither impartial
scholars nor specialists in interfaith dialogue, but rough-and-tumble
medieval apologists -- that is to say, writers from the seventh
through the 14th centuries whose aim, in no uncertain terms, was to
show why Christianity is right and Islam is wrong.

This grab bag of colorful ecclesiastical characters includes John
Damascene, Theodore Abu Qurrah (a Melchite bishop in the ninth century
who wrote treatises against the Muslims in Arabic), Peter the
Venerable, Raymond Martini, Raymond Lull, Ricoldus de Monte Croce,
Dionysius the Carthusian, Cardinal Juan Torquemada, Cardinal Nicholas
of Cusa, and even the Florentine reformer Savonarola (of "bonfire of
the vanities" fame).

At first blush, their work might seem an unpromising vein to tap as
Pope Benedict XVI tries to pick up the pieces following his
controversial Sept. 12 comments on Islam. Yet whatever their
limitations, the medieval apologists represent the first sustained
Christian attempt to grapple with the challenges posed by Islam.

Cardinal Avery Dulles, a Jesuit widely considered one of America's
premier Catholic theologians, believes a study of this history -- both
its strengths and its weaknesses -- can offer useful insights for
Muslim/Christian relations today.

On Oct. 2, I sat down with Dulles, still going strong at 88, in his
office at Fordham University in the Bronx.

Back in 1971, Dulles published a unique survey titled A History of
Apologetics (revised in 2005). It reviews medieval Christian writing
on Islam, which often doesn't make for very edifying reading. Most
apologists were fairly crude in their critique, deriding the way Islam
had "spread by the sword" and even lampooning Muhammad's multiple
wives or his earthy description of the afterlife. The title of one
essay by Torquemada says it all: "Against the Principal Errors of the
Miscreant Muhammad."

Yet this apologetic tradition can also exude a surprising
sophistication. Nicholas of Cusa, for example, produced "Sifting the
Quran" in the 15th century, which argues that the Quran may profitably
be used as an introduction to the Gospel, and praises the human and
religious virtues of Muslims. Peter the Venerable wrote in the 12th
century that in addressing Muslims, Christians should proceed "not as
our people often do, by arms, but by words; not by force, but by
reason; not in hatred, but in love."

The following are excerpts from the interview with Dulles.

NCR: What can we learn from the medieval apologists?
Dulles: For one thing, they made a serious effort to understand the
literature of Islam, usually in the original language. They were
pretty frank in their criticism, but at the same time they tried to be
fair as they understood it, and to base what they wrote on actual
Islamic texts. … There was some very interesting work done, from John
Damascene through Peter the Venerable and later, which hasn't really
been repeated. Much of this was hostile, due to the situation in
ancient Turkey and later in Spain. Yet it's also worth recalling that
for centuries, Christians lived quite freely under Muslim rule,
practiced their faith, held high office, and were close to the
sovereigns. They had a civil, if not warm, relationship with Muslims
in the Near East.

One big question is whether problems with pluralism in Islamic nations
are due to historical, cultural and political factors, or something
intrinsic to Islam. You seem to be saying that a rough sort of
religious freedom was once the norm. Can that be done again?
I think it would be possible to do it again. I certainly hope so,
because it's important that it be done again. We have to do everything
we can to encourage that. We also have to remember our own history.

What do you mean?
Christianity was pretty violent itself in the early Middle Ages, into
the late Middle Ages. It really wasn't until the experience of the
wars of religion that we began to appreciate that it's not wise to try
to use the sword to spread one's own religion, in part because others
will also use their swords to advance their religion. This history is
part of what brought religion into disrepute in the Enlightenment. In
some ways, we're still paying a price for this history of hostility --
between the Orthodox and Western Christians, Protestants and
Catholics, and between Christians and both Jews and Muslims. John Paul
II did everything he could to atone for that history, and to separate
himself from it.
My own comment : this makes u wander wtf GWBush was thinking launching his own crusade into Iraq, dunnit?

In your book, you said one failure of the medieval apologists was that
they didn't approach Islam as a living religion.
What did you mean?
Their writing was largely based on books they had read, rather than
actual contact with Muslims. This was especially true in the later
period, when you had people in France and England who were writing
about Islam but who really didn't have any contact at all with Muslim
communities. So for them Islam was largely an abstraction, without
much complexity.

Some would say that this tendency to approach Islam almost exclusively
from its texts, not as a living religion, is true of Benedict XVI as
well. Is that fair?

Probably, yes. Of course, it's often not very easy to have dialogue
with some Muslims. They generally consider dialogue a sign of
weakness, to admit that they might have something to learn. They will
confront you with the teaching of Islam, but they won't engage in what
we would consider dialogue. Often they won't even show up at meetings.


Isn't there a related problem, in that some of the Muslims who do show
up at dialogue meetings aren't representative of mainstream Islam?
Yes, that can be a problem. I remember back in 1968, there was a
Christian/Muslim meeting at Woodstock that I attended. [Note: From
1966 to 1973, Dulles served as a consultor to the Papal Secretariat
for Dialogue with Non-Believers.] One of the Muslims had obviously
read a lot of Kant, and the whole thing struck me as a little phony.
He had studied in the West, and clearly didn't represent the Muslim
tradition in a normative way.

To return to Pope Benedict, would it be helpful if he put himself in
contact more thoroughly with Islam as a living religion, meeting with
representative Muslim leaders?

Certainly, it would be helpful, and it's definitely worth trying. I'm
sure he would love to do that. I believe the thinking around the
Vatican these days is that the dialogue with Islam should start with
things like ecology, poverty, these sorts of common human problems,
before we get to more sensitive theological questions. This is part of
Benedict's emphasis on reason. His approach seems to be, let's go as
far as reason can take us before we get to these other issues.


Aside from the controversy over the remarks on Islam, what did you
make of the Regensburg lecture?

I thought it was a very impressive address. The pope went amazingly
far in laying out the principles of tolerance. It seems to me that
he's read a lot of de Tocqueville, that he likes the American system
on these matters and is trying to apply it to Europe. The idea is that
there's a generic Christianity which is part of the culture. It's not
enforced by the government, but it has social influence because it's
the dominant popular religion, while still allowing for diversity. One
finds this sort of generic biblical religion in the founding documents
of the United States. All this made the old European struggles to have
either a Protestant or a Catholic government unnecessary, because it
doesn't make so much difference who the ruler is. There is no
automatic "transfer" from the state to the society of an official
creed, but the basic Jewish and Christian values of biblical religion
form the bedrock of the culture. I think the Holy Father likes this
model, which was expressed in the decree on religious freedom at the
Second Vatican Council.


John Allen is NCR senior correspondent. His e-mail address is
jallen@ncronline.org.

National Catholic Reporter, November 3, 2006
Astromantic
The site ain't working anymore.
samsparky
Hey tangawizi.

Those seven books were written by the students of the mentioned scholars. They are the ones who collected all their sayings in these books.

So again, the books are only a guide but what is the basis which is relied upon is the chain of person to person teaching.


Astromantic,

Angels never disobey Allaah (i.e. they never sin). This was mentioned in the Qur’aan in Surat at-TaHreem, Ayah 6:


لا يَعْصُونَ اللَّهَ مَا أَمَرَهُمْ وَيَفْعَلُونَ مَا يُؤْمَرُونَ

Which means: [They do not disobey Allah in what He orders them (to do), and they do exactly what they were ordered.]
tangawizi
Leap of faith

In the 70s, Cat Stevens embarked on a journey from sensitive-superstar singer-songwriter to recluse in Brazil to devout Islam convert. Now, he tells Alexis Petridis, it's time to start singing again
Alexis Petridis
Saturday November 11, 2006

Guardian

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It has been almost 30 years since Yusuf Islam became a Muslim, changed his name from Cat Stevens and announced that his career as a rock star was incompatible with his new religious beliefs. "My imam at the Central Mosque said there was no problem with making music," Islam tells me. "In fact, he encouraged me - he said if the songs are moral, not offensive, then go ahead."

Yusuf Islam has a pronounced cockney accent, which shouldn't be surprising given that he was born and raised in Soho, the son of a Greek Cypriot restaurateur, but somehow it is. "Then I heard another kind of voice saying this is a dangerous business, you should be away from it, all the associations that go along with that way of life, you should get away from. I just decided to take the safest position and get out."

Instead, Islam entered into what he says was erroneously described as an arranged marriage - "I simply had two girls that I was, in a way, interested in marrying. I invited them home separately and asked my mother which one she thought I should marry and, by God, she was perfectly right."

He started a family, devoted his time to charity work, the founding of three Muslim schools and, less successfully, an Islamic hotel that foundered due to the decision to open it in Willesden, an area of London hardly renowned for its massive influx of tourists, Muslim or otherwise. "Location, location, location," he sighs. Meanwhile, he found his position on music slowly shifting: "Of course, being in some way a kind of icon of a generation, where music played a fundamental part in growing up and development - turning away from that the way I did was a little bit harsh. As you age, and as you gain wisdom in life, you realise where you made mistakes."

He hadn't touched a guitar for "a couple of decades" when he discovered that his son had brought one into the house and was writing songs on it. "I was a bit shocked, but what could I do? I wasn't convinced that it was wrong, but it was how it was going to be used." The discovery precipitated a gradual return to the music business. First there were a string of religious releases called things like A Is For Allah, and a handful of live appearances. Occasionally, for a good cause, he could be prevailed upon to belt out an a cappella rendition of his 1971 US top 10 hit Peace Train. Two years ago, there was a charity duet, alas with Ronan Keating, on a version of another old hit, Father And Son.

Now there is a new "secular" album, An Other Cup. Give or take the occasional eastern influence, it sounds almost exactly like the multiplatinum-selling Cat Stevens of the early 70s: easy-listening acoustic singer-songwriter material with a ponderous lyrical bent. Given that James Blunt and Katie Melua, both ponderous easy-listening singer-songwriters, are currently doing enormously good business, Islam's new album could be seen as a determined return to the mainstream. It was recorded with Rick Nowels, one of those dizzyingly successful songwriter/ producers-for-hire, whose CV encompasses everyone from Charlotte Church to Rod Stewart and Craig David.

The news of its release has not, Islam admits, been greeted with untrammelled delight in every section of the Muslim community: "It's creating heat - there are people pointing fingers at me, saying you shouldn't be doing this, but quite honestly they are not having an effect on anybody, and I'd much prefer to think that what I'm doing now with my little guitar is helping to make things better in the world." In any case, his record company clearly has high expectations: the co-president of Polydor has predicted it will be "one of the biggest musical highlights of the year".

Nevertheless, the atmosphere around the table in Home House, a private members' club at Marble Arch, is slightly strained. He's stylishly dressed in a brown corduroy suit, rather than the kufi and Arab robes in which he's occasionally been photographed when commenting on Islamophobia or intervening in an attempt to save the life of a British hostage in Iraq or getting refused entry to Israel, but still cuts an unlikely figure in Home House's opulent environs. It is the popular choice of venue for rock royalty with an album to promote - Depeche Mode conduct their interviews here, Madonna once used it as her British base of operations - but what Islam has been most famous for lately is not making or promoting albums.

He is scrupulously polite, but clearly uncomfortable. "Right now," he says, offering a pained smile, "I sing better than I talk, and probably this interview will prove it." He seems a bit nonplussed that I've read a long article he published on his website, which quotes the Qur'an in defence of his decision to return to music: "This was for Muslims' consumption, mostly." He picks his words with the tentative delicacy of someone using chopsticks for the first time, particularly when the conversation veers towards politics.

In recent years, he has made regular appearances in the news, both in his own right - expressing his "heartfelt horror" at the 9/11 attacks, writing a witty comment piece for the Guardian about US authorities' refusal to let him into the country in 2004 - and as a spokesman for organisations such as the Forum Against Islamophobia And Racism. But he claims all that happened largely by accident. "I became in some senses a little bit of a mascot," he says. "People would use me and utilise me as a member of their board on this or that organisation in order to attract funds and credibility. I didn't realise all that was happening at the time. Then sometimes there would be an occasion when there would be news and I was asked to comment, and really I wasn't equipped for that: I was being pushed to respond, and because I wasn't singing, there was nothing else I could do."

Today, questions about current events are first met with evasion - for someone who doesn't want to talk about politics, he'd make a surprisingly good politician - then stonewalling: "I don't think we're going to go into that; I'd prefer much more we stick to the music," he says, politely but firmly slamming the door.

There is no mistaking his air of suspicion. He vaguely hints at a media conspiracy against Muslims - "I can't help but think that somewhere along the line there's somebody who has a position, and perhaps something to guard and protect, that stops people from knowing about Islam." When I produce my Dictaphone, he reaches into his bag and pulls out a virtually identical model, with which he tapes the interview. This was his wife's idea, he says, a means of combating his wariness of the press. "I had a few occasions when I had a brush with the press and it was very harsh, very hostile to my conversion." In the past, he has blamed "journalistic malice" for stirring up controversy over his alleged support of the fatwa on Salman Rushdie, and he successfully sued the Sun and the Sunday Times for libel after they suggested he had funded Hamas. Today he seems particularly aggrieved about the aftermath of a 1979 Unicef concert at which Abba and the Bee Gees performed and where he accepted an award for his charity work: "So, my moment came, they announced my name, everybody applauded, rapturous applause. At home, two weeks later, I'm watching the television with my mum. I said, 'Here it comes, Mum, here ... just ... Where is it?' It was gone. Edited out. Well," he frowns, "what kind of fair journalism is that?"

In fact, looking through his old interviews, you get the impression that the singer was both cutting an unusual figure and displaying an antipathy to the press long before Islam entered the picture. In his earliest incarnation, he made for a slightly peculiar pop heart-throb: his first hit, I Love My Dog, unfavourably compared his feelings for his amorata with his affection for a dachshund, pretty weird even in the anything-goes musical climate of 1966. His career as a teen idol was brought to a premature close by a combination of bad management - one story has them trying to force him to go into panto as Buttons - and a lifestyle that included palling around with Jimi Hendrix.

"I was drinking too much and just wasting myself away and I contracted tuberculosis," he says. "Suddenly I've got this medieval disease. I had to extract myself from the limelight. I was stuck in the hospital in Surrey, just contemplating my life and where I wanted to go. It was a time to begin meditating. I was looking for that centre of existence that would make everything clear."

He re-emerged an acoustic troubadour with a lyrical tendency towards mysticism and spirituality, and succeeded on such a scale that it obliterated his brief period as a teen idol.

Indeed, it's easy to forget just how big Cat Stevens was, partly because he detached himself from music so completely after his conversion, and partly because his oeuvre has never undergone the critical re-evaluation afforded less commercially successful peers such as Nick Drake or John Martyn. He sold 50m albums. Tea For The Tillerman - home to Father And Son, Wild World and a title track that currently provides the theme tune to Ricky Gervais' Extras - spent 79 weeks on the US chart in 1970. His music was an inescapable presence even in primary schools, where no assembly was complete without one of the trendier teachers strapping on a guitar and favouring the audience with a rendition of Morning Has Broken, the 1931 hymn Stevens popularised on his album Teaser And The Firecat.

Even at the height of his success, however, journalists invariably found him heavy going in person. He complained of being "misinterpreted", but it's hard not to feel that most interviewers just didn't have a clue what he was going on about in his opaque pronouncements about everything from Maoism to UFOs. At one juncture, he claimed to have been abducted by aliens, an experience alleged to have inspired a song called Freezing Steel. Some writers' interpretations were more imaginative than others. A Melody Maker reporter came to the conclusion that he was "something of a lay guru, whose passive introspection and self-examination might develop into the cure-all of love which would outface the baddies and save the world", which is certainly one way of describing a rather confused-sounding pop star.

He eventually gave up interviews altogether and moved to Brazil for what was widely reported as a period of austere seclusion and meditation. "People called it a seclusion and I suppose it was," he frowns, before going on to describe what sounds like a very 70s rock-superstar notion of monastic asceticism. "I had a flat and a whole host of friends, a kind of Brazilian clique, film stars and models. Everybody had their pads on mountainsides, apartments with water flowing underneath them, an amazing lifestyle." He pauses for a moment. "At the same time, there was this incredible poverty in between. In Rio, you've got these shantytowns, and if there's a heavy rain, people lose their homes. So my conscience couldn't bear that either."

Reading his interviews during that time, he never seems as happy as you might expect of someone enjoying vast success, unimaginable wealth and the company of a host of Brazilian models. The path to his conversion famously began with getting into difficulties while swimming off the coast of Malibu - Islam prayed to God and was swept back to shore. His faith was sealed when his brother gave him an English translation of the Qur'an in 1976, but it's hard not to come to the conclusion that he might have given up music even if spiritual enlightenment had not intervened.

By the end of the 70s, the public's affection for sensitive singer-songwriters had begun to wane. His albums were still selling, but not in the kind of quantities they had earlier in the decade. The Greek leg of his final world tour, which he felt sure would be a triumphant homecoming, was a disaster - "The same time they booked me into this big hall in Athens there was a football match and the exams were on, hardly anybody bought tickets, so I said, 'I'm not doing this in my great Greek moment of glory! It's the end!' and walked off." The experience compounded an aversion to performing live. "I don't like applause, I must admit," he says. "Ultimately artists are shy creatures, they're introverts. To get up on stage and do this ... that's why I still find it so difficult. The private little world that I create with my music is something that most people like to listen to alone and get into. The big mass-concert experience was the thing I think that also made me want to leave the business."

This all rather makes you wonder why he has chosen to come back to it. He concedes it's hard to divorce his return to secular music from current events. "Maybe some people may have thought or imagined that Islam drains all creativity. In fact, when you look at history, you discover that the golden age of Spain is what actually produced what we call the guitar. Sciences, medicines, even the fact that we drink coffee today on every corner is a result of this fantastic kind of moment of civilisation in the Muslim world, where art and life was one, and entertainment was part of that. For me, to sing again means to reaffirm the creativity of Islamic thought, of what it can do to a person and how it can express itself. If a person thought, 'Well, he wrote great songs as a non-Muslim, but he can't write them as a Muslim', here's the proof otherwise."

He pulls out a deluxe edition of the CD and points to a picture of himself drinking coffee underneath a poster that reads THE RETURN OF ZIRYAB. "Have you read about this guy, Ziryab?" he asks. "It's an incredibly interesting story. He was a musician, astronomer, fashion designer and gastronome, he was one of the architects of Andalusian culture."

For the first time in the afternoon, he sounds neither wary nor evasive but genuinely enthusiastic. "He brought all sorts of culture to Spain and thus through to Europe," he continues. Muslims don't know about this, it's become so stark. I think we've got to push the premise that culture is something to be shared by everybody. It's not a divisive issue. Whenever anything is good, a lot of people flock to it and want it, and that's why I'm singing songs again."

tangawizi
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Hi Sams, what do u think of the article on Cat Stevens about his return to music in order to show that islam is about creativity, and not just purification and stagnation?

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These are books in which the Hadeeth was collected and the chain back to the Prophet narrated.

SaHeeH Imaam al-Bukhaariyy

SaHeeH Imaam Muslim

As-sunan for Abu Daawood

Sunan of the Haafith at-tirmithiyy

Sunan of the Haafith an-Nasaa'iyy

Sunan of al-Haafith ibn Maajah

In addition to this, MuwaT-Ta' of Imaam Maalik is mentioned.

This is why when Muslims mention a Hadeeth, the mention "narrated by ..." e.g. "narrated by Muslim"
These books were not just written without the writer teaching them to his students.

These books were taught to the students of the writer who taught them to their students and so on as I keep re-iterating to show you that the understanding of them is the same by everyone who took them by this chain of knowledge.

Among those people who took it from this chain, there is no debate. The debate is against the person who strays from this chain.


Thx Sam for the listing of the 7 books. Would you be able to tell me the dates when these books were compiled by the students of the Mwalimus? If not, give me a website link to those information?

I guess the allahsunnahs follow the chain of these 7 books. Are the Wahhabis following the same chain of these 7 books?

Howabout the Shias, what books do they rely on?
samsparky
In Islam there is permissible music and non-permissible music. This relates to both instruments and words. So not only does the message need to be good, the instruments also need to be ok.

Some examples of music made via permissible ways can be seen in the live broadcast of muslim community radio in sydney at www.2mfm.org

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for the second point, i guess you can get an estimation of that by googling.

If not, ask at www.talkaboutislam.com/forums

Or at fatwa@darulfatwa.org.au


The wahhabis claim to follow these but their beliefs contradict them - which clearly outlines their ignorance because we confront them with proofs using the Hadeeths many time. Even from the Qur'aan.

The shia are a bit of a different story. They only want to believe in Hadeeths narrated by the family of Imaam Ali. But still, some groups of them have some wrong beliefs and they can be refuted by Qur'aan and Hadeeth.
tangawizi
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The wahhabis claim to follow these but their beliefs contradict them - which clearly outlines their ignorance because we confront them with proofs using the Hadeeths many time. Even from the Qur'aan.

The shia are a bit of a different story. They only want to believe in Hadeeths narrated by the family of Imaam Ali. But still, some groups of them have some wrong beliefs and they can be refuted by Qur'aan and Hadeeth.


When you say that you confront the Wahhabis with proofs usiing the Hadeeths, how is this done? Is there a muslim forum or dialogue sessions where such a confrontation is publicized for all the muslim believers in the world to listen to?

How does the allahsunnah ensure that the correction of wrongful Islamic beliefs are carried out properly and disseminated to the allahsunnah?
tangawizi
I am really pleased to read this from the BBC today :



Call to bridge West-Muslim divide


A cross-cultural group of 20 prominent world figures has called for urgent efforts to heal the growing divide between Muslim and Western societies.

They say the chief causes of the rift are not religion or history, but recent political developments, notably the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The panel, drawn together by the UN, says a climate of mutual fear and stereotypes is worsening the problem.

To combat hostility bred of ignorance, they want education and media projects.

The Alliance of Civilisations, which includes Anglican Archbishop Desmond Tutu and former Iranian President Mohammed Khatami, dismisses the notion that a clash of civilisations is inevitable, but says that swift action is needed.

Their findings were presented in a report to the UN Secretary General Kofi Annan at a ceremony in Istanbul on Monday morning.

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Peoples who feel that they face persistent discrimination, humiliation, or marginalisation are reacting by asserting their identity more aggressively
Alliance of Civilisations report


The group argues that the need to build bridges between Muslim and Western societies has never been greater.

They say that the critical symbol of discord is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict which, along with Western military interventions in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, contributes significantly to the growing sense of resentment and mistrust that mars relations among communities.

"Moreover, the perception of double standards in the application of international law and the protection of human rights is increasing resentment and the sense of vulnerability felt by many Muslims around the globe," the report says.

Globalisation's downside

The experts call for renewed effort from the international community to resolve the Middle East crisis, along with an international conference aimed at reinvigorating the peace process and a UN-commissioned White Paper to properly analyse the situation in a dispassionate and objective manner.

In a separate development, Israel's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is in Washington for talks with President George W Bush on the conflict.

The Alliance of Civilisations report also proposes appointing a high-level representative to work to defuse tensions at times of crisis, to act as a cross-cultural voice of moderation.

It warns that globalisation is contributing to the discord, with many communities experiencing it as "an assault".

"For them, the prospect of greater well-being has come at a high price, which includes cultural homogenisation, family dislocation, challenges to traditional lifestyles, and environmental degradation," the report said.

"In this context, peoples who feel that they face persistent discrimination, humiliation, or marginalisation are reacting by asserting their identity more aggressively."

The report also suggests that the repression of non-violent political opposition and the slow pace of reforms in some Muslim countries is a key factor in the rise of extremism and calls for ruling parties there to allow the full participation of peaceful political groups, whether religious or secular in nature.

Youth education

It criticises the inflammatory language sometimes used by political and religious leaders and the effect such language can have when amplified by the media, urging leaders and shapers of public opinion promote understanding among cultures and mutual respect of religious belief and traditions.

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The only way to bridge the gap is to respect other peoples' beliefs and customs
Steve Hughes, UK


The report's authors argue that ignorance is the root cause of a good deal of hostility, so they also propose long-term media and youth education programmes and a focus on cultural ties.

But the group makes it clear such schemes will have limited impact if the immediate political causes of tension are not addressed.

The Alliance of Civilisations report was written by prominent international figures from a variety of religions who have been meeting over the past year.

It was created by Mr Annan with the mandate to propose a concrete plan of action to bridge the gap between increasingly polarised Muslim and Western societies and overcome mutual feelings of fear and suspicion.

The UN initiative was co-sponsored by the prime ministers of predominantly Catholic Spain and Muslim Turkey.


You can read the Adobe Acrobat report of the alliance here.



samsparky
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When you say that you confront the Wahhabis with proofs usiing the Hadeeths, how is this done? Is there a muslim forum or dialogue sessions where such a confrontation is publicized for all the muslim believers in the world to listen to?

How does the ahlusunnah ensure that the correction of wrongful Islamic beliefs are carried out properly and disseminated to the allahsunnah?


Confronting wahhabis with proofs using Hadeeths is done on a daily basis whether at uni or on chatting programs or on the forums.

Here is an example of a debate covering many issues:

http://talkaboutislam.com/forums/index.php...5.html#msg16325

The results of the debate are there for anyone to see and there are many such debates with the same results. Whether these get publicised enough to get rid of wahhabis is something we aim for icon_smile.gif

al-Azhar used to have a magazine in which is publicised replies against wahabis.

Not sure if it is still having new copies.

and sometimes if it's really wide-spread, ahlussunnah advertise it like in the newspaper or on websites.
samsparky
Regarding the article you posted, I am happy to see more interaction between Muslims and non-Muslims.

But like I have said, I can not accept in my heart what bin laaden is on because it is wrong and a cause of big evil. And I can not in my heart be happy to leave a person to go to Hell without at least giving some advice.
tangawizi
My boyfriend is from Spain, with their historical links to the Islamic world, I am kinda happy to see his country is spearheading the efforts to dialogue with muslim representatives!

I always woondered why there is no muslim pilgrimage to the Islamic palaces and places of worships in Spain like the Alhambra, Generalife, Sevilla, Cordoba, etc..

I guess perhaps the secular buildings are okay, but it might be galling to see how the catholics built their cathedrals on top of the islamic structures.. shrug.gif
samsparky
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My boyfriend is from Spain, with their historical links to the Islamic world, I am kinda happy to see his country is spearheading the efforts to dialogue with muslim representatives!

I always woondered why there is no muslim pilgrimage to the Islamic palaces and places of worships in Spain like the Alhambra, Generalife, Sevilla, Cordoba, etc..

I guess perhaps the secular buildings are okay, but it might be galling to see how the catholics built their cathedrals on top of the islamic structures.. shrug.gif


subHaanallaah

The Islamic definition of pilgrimage is a bit different to what is used in everyday language.

The Pilgrimage in Islam usually refers to the Obligatory Pilgrimage, the performance of Hajj, for the one who is able.


Performing Hajj involves one going to the Ka^bah to perform specific known actions.


Imam Malik said that the one who is able has to perform Hajj immediately, that is, one has to go to Hajj in that same year.

Imam ash-Shafi^iyy said that one is entitled to delay it as long as one performs it before death.

Imam ash-Shaafi^iyy's proof was:

The Prophet conquered Makkah in the 8th year after hijrah.
In the 9th year, the Prophet was able to perform Hajj but he didn't; he performed it in the 10th year.

So this is a proof that the Prophet delayed Hajj for an amount of time while he was able to perform it.

The other scholars that said that one must perform Hajj immediately in the same year if he is able might have said that the Prophet maybe had a reason for delaying his Hajj that year or that this was specific for him.


The Prophet said (in the hadith related by al-Bukhariyy and others), Hajj is one of the five most important matters upon which Islam is built:

The greatest matters of Islaam are 5:

1. Testifying that no one is God except Allaah and that MuHammad is the Messenger of Allaah,
2. Performing Salaah (Prayer),
3. Giving Zakaah,
4. Performing Hajj (Pilgrimage), and
5. Fasting RamaDaan.

(Related by Imam Muslim)


Hajj has a special merit:

If one performs it in an acceptable manner, one becomes clear of all one's sins, just as if one was newly born to one's mother.


The fact that a particular act has a special merit does not mean that it is the best of all acts.

For example, Prayer is better than Hajj since it is the best of the obligatory deeds (after belief in Allaah and His Messenger):

Imam al-Bukhariyy related that the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu ^alayhi wa sallam, said what means: The best of the deeds is the belief in Allaah and His Messenger.

And al-Bayhaqiyy related that Prophet MuHammad, may Allaah raise his rank, was asked what the best deed was (i.e. after belief in Allaah and His Messenger) and he said it was performing the obligatory prayers at the beginning of their times.

Despite this, Prayer does not wipe out your major sins, however the accepted Hajj does.


For Hajj to be acceptable, one's intention has to be for the sake of Allah, the money used for pilgrimage has to be halal (Islamically lawful), and one must avoid committing enormous sins and sexual intercourse during Hajj.

On the other hand, committing small sins during Pilgrimage does not make it unaccepted, i.e., it does not prevent the pilgrim from getting the reward of Hajj.


The conditions that make one obligated to perform Hajj are:

1.Islam: Hence, the blasphemer is not ordered to perform Hajj in this life, although he will be punished in the Hereafter for leaving it out (since he did not embrace Islaam then perform it).

2.Pubescence: Hence, the one who is not pubescent is not obligated to perform Hajj, even if one was rich. If he or she does perform Hajj, he or she gets reward for that.

3.Sanity: Hence, the one who is insane is not obligated to perform Hajj.

4.Ability: It means that one can afford to reach Makkah and return to one's homeplace. It includes that one has more than what one needs to pay for one's due debts, appropriate lodging and clothing, and what one is obligated to spend on those whom one must support from one's departure until one's return. This includes helping one's father to get married if one's father needs it.


This obligation applies if one feels safe for one's self and belongings.

However, if one knows that one may be killed or robbed on the way to Hajj, then one is not obligated to go to Hajj.

If one has a financial ability for the trip, but is severely sick and cannot ride to travel to Makkah to perform Hajj, one may hire someone to perform it on one's behalf.

This is the case of whoever resides at least a two-day walking distance from Makkah.

Those who live closer exert a bigger effort to perform Hajj on their own.
doralin
i want to join the clan. icon_smile.gif
samsparky
wow welcome icon_smile.gif

Was there a topic on your mind?
samsparky
JUDGING ONE’S SELF

قالَ رَسُولُ الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: ( لاَ تَزُولُ قَدَمَا عَبْدٍ يَوْمَ القِيَامَةِ حَتّى يُسْأَلَ عن أربع: عَنْ عُمْرِهِ فِيما أَفْنَاهُ، وعن جسده فيما أبلاه، وَعن عِلْمِهِ ماذا عمل به، وعن مَالِهِ مِنْ أَيْنَ أخذه وَفيمَا أَنْفَقَهُ )رواه الترمذي


This Hadith is clear in telling us that on the Day of Judgement one will not be dismissed from the stage of judgement unless one is questioned about four matters.

The first question is how one had spent his life? One will be questioned whether or not one had fulfilled all that Allah has ordered and avoided all that Allah has forbidden since the age of accountability. If all duties were completed in full one will be saved from punishment; In contrast, if these same duties were incomplete one deserves to be punished.

The second question relates to what one had worn out his body in? If one had worn out his body in performing the obligations, then one will be among the winners who will be saved from torture; but if one had wasted his body in sin, then one will be among the losers on the day.

The third question is regarding whether or not one had attained the knowledge of the religion. If the person had attained the obligatory knowledge he will be rewarded, but if he had neglected to acquire it, he will be among the losers. Also among the losers is the person who acquired the knowledge but failed to apply it.

The fourth question is regarding how one obtained his money and assets how they were used. Meaning, if the person gained his money and assets on earth in lawful ways, he is not guilty, providing that he did not use them unlawfully.
IcantspeakMarathi
Hi guys.
samsparky
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Hi guys.


Hello icon_smile.gif

How are you?
samsparky
Islamic Knowledge the Gateway to Success



We start with the name of Allah. We praise Allah and thank Him for the blessings of Islam. We humbly ask Allah to raise the rank of our Prophet Muhammad, and his kind Al and Companions and to protect his nation from that which he fears for it. We ask Allah to grant us the proper intention, the Comprehension, and the reward in the Hereafter. Thereafter:

Knowledge is the gateway to success, as known by many. However, some people understand this statement differently. The Islamic definition and concept of knowledge, and how it is a gateway to success in this world and in the Hereafter, is an ambiguous matter to many people. God willing, we hope to clarify this ambiguity hereinafter.

Know, may Allah have mercy on you that the high status of knowledge has been clearly established in Islam through explicit texts in the Qur'aan and the Hadith as well as in the writings of the scholars of Islam.


Surat al-Mujadalah, Ayah 11 means:

[Allah raises the ranks of those among you who believe and those who were granted the knowledge.]


Also, Surat az-Zumar, Ayah 9 means:

[Those who know are not the same as those who do not know.]


Surat Fatir, Ayah 28 means:

[The true religious scholars fear Allah the most.]


The Prophet, who is the best of the creation, in his hadith related by at-Tirmidhiyy, said what means: <<The rank of the scholar compared to that of the worshipper is like my rank to the lowest of you>>. The difference in merit between the Prophet and the lowest Muslim is extremely great. Likewise is the difference between the true scholar and the true worshipper, i.e., the scholar who satisfied the conditions of being a scholar, and the worshipper who satisfied the conditions and integrals of worshipping.


Imam ^Aliyy Ibn Abi Talib, the fourth caliph, said: <<Knowledge is better than money, because knowledge protects you whereas you protect money. >>

Knowledge rules over things, whereas money is ruled over. Money diminishes as you spend it, whereas spending the knowledge by teaching it to others increases your reward.


In Islam, the issue of knowledge is held in high regard. This knowledge is not any knowledge per se, but rather, the knowledge of the Religion of Islam.


Surat Muhammad, Ayah 19 means:

[O Muhammad, be firm in knowing that no one is God except Allah.]


In the hadith related by al-Bayhaqiyy, the Messenger of Allah said what means: <<Seeking the knowledge of the Religion is obligatory on every Muslim (whether male of female). >>

Looking at the wording of this hadith, the term <<every>> (kull) is one from which the scholars clearly understood <<the Personal Obligatory Knowledge of the Religion, >> and not all kinds of knowledge. Had every kind of knowledge been obligatory on every male and every female, it would have been a hardship beyond one's ability, and Allah does not order anyone with what one cannot bear.


Imam Abul-Hasan al-Ash^ariyy said: <<The first obligation on the slave is to learn about Allah, His Messenger, and His Religion (i.e. the Religion He Ordered the slaves to follow). >>


The Prophet, in the hadith related by al-Bukhariyy, said what means: <<Whomever Allah willed goodness for makes him knowledgeable in the Religion. >>

It is also understood from this hadith that whomever Allah did not will for him to be knowledgeable enough in the Religion, then Allah did not will a good status for him.


Hence, it is clear from what has been stated so far, that the knowledge we are referring to is the Religious knowledge of Islam. Moreover, this knowledge of the Religion entails many facets and many subjects among which are the knowledge of Tawhid and the knowledge of the rules of the Religion. The knowledge of Tawhid entails knowing about Allah and His Messenger, and it is the best of all the knowledge in Islam. The scholars repeatedly emphasized the clear evidence from the Qur'an, Hadith, and scholarly consensus proving the knowledge of Tawhid is ranked the highest among all knowledge. This is so, because it has to do with knowing about Allah and about His Messenger. This entails knowing what befits Allah and what is impossible to be among His attributes, and what befits the messengers and what is impossible to be among their attributes.


Abu Hanifah said: << Tawhid is the Great knowledge (al-Fiqhul-Akbar). >>


Imam ash-Shafi^iyy said: <<I mastered the knowledge of Tawhid before mastering the knowledge of the rules of the Religion. >>


This knowledge of Tawhid is of two categories. The first category is that which is obligatory on every accountable person (1).

1 The accountable person is the one who is pubescent, sane, and has heard the Testification of Faith in a language one understands.

The accountable person is obligated to know this knowledge; hence, this category is classified among the Personal Obligatory Knowledge. Examples of this knowledge include the belief in Allah and the belief in His angels, His books, His Messengers, the Day of Judgment, destiny, and the like. The second category of this knowledge of Tawhid is that which is obligatory for some Muslims to master, but not all Muslims. This obligation is classified as a communal obligation, since if some of the Muslims have that knowledge obtaining it is no longer an obligation on the rest of the community. Examples of this category is for one to learn the proofs of the tenets of belief from the Qur'an, Hadith, and intellect to enable one to refute the claims of the enemies of Islam, like the communists and the innovators of misguidance. Also, among the communal obligations is that some Muslims must acquire the sciences Muslims need, such as medicine, engineering, agriculture, and the like. Hence, if enough Muslims learn these sciences such that they satisfy the need of the community, it is no longer obligatory on the others.

The first category of the knowledge of Tawhid, the personal obligation, has two subdivisions. The first subdivision entails knowing correctly about Allah and His Messenger and believing in it beyond doubt. If one does not know and believe this, one will not be a Muslim, and one who dies as such will not escape the everlasting tortures of Hellfire. However, having satisfied this and having uttered the Testification of Faith at least once in one's lifetime, but failing to obtain other essentials of belief and to fulfill other obligations, such as fasting and praying and the like, one becomes a sinful Muslim, provided one does not deny the obligation of fasting, praying, and the like(2).

2 Note: Denying these commonly known obligations renders the person non-Muslim. i.e. saying they are not obligatory.

The second subdivision entails learning the thirteen attributes of the Self of Allah which are obligatory on every accountable person to know, and learning the attributes of the prophets and believing in what they taught regarding the angels of Allah, the Books of Allah, the Messenger of Allah, the Day of Judgment, destiny, whether good or evil - Paradise, and the like.

As to the rules of the Religion, part of this knowledge is a personal obligation. The Muslim who is accountable is obligated to learn the matters of Purification (Taharah), the rules of prayers, the rules of fasting, and the rules of other obligations that apply to him, including Zakah, Pilgrimage, dealings, sins of the body, and the like.

Learning the Obligatory Knowledge of the Religion makes one able to discriminate between what is lawful (halal) and what is unlawful (haram), what is valid and what is invalid, what is acceptable and what is rejected, in addition to what is classified under the Religion as good or bad. The scholars of Islam have spoken explicity about these criteria.


In the chapter entitled “Knowledge Before Saying or Committing Action”, Imam al-Bukhariyy stated: <<If one acquires the Obligatory knowledge of the Religion, one acquires the ability to differentiate between what is lawful and what is unlawful, what is acceptable and what is not acceptable, and what is good and what is evil. >>


In the Qur'an, Surat at-Tahrim, Ayah 6 means:

[O believers, protect yourselves and your families from Hellfire which is fueled by people and stones.]

Imam ^Ataa' Ibn Abi Rabah who was among the followers of the Companions, interpreted that verse of the Qur'an. He said: <<One protects himself and his family from the tortures of Hellfire by learning how to pray, fast, sell, buy, marry, and divorce.>>


Surat adh-Dhariyat, Ayah 56 means:

[I created the jinn and humans to order them with worship.]


We have been created to be ordered to worship Allah. Worshipping Allah requires knowledge. For one to have a valid worship, first one must have the correct belief in Allah.

Imam al-Ghazaliyy said: <<The worship is only valid after knowing correctly about Allah. >>


Hence, if one learns that knowledge of the Religion, one will know how to perform the worship; one will know what is lawful and what is unlawful and what is acceptable and what is not. By implementing this knowledge accordingly, one earns the reward on the Day of Judgment. This knowledge is not limited to particular groups of people. All people are in need of this knowledge to carry out their tasks in compliance with the rules of Allah. This includes parents, teachers, carpenters, doctors, engineers, and others.

Acquiring this knowledge is very important and entails certain essential criteria.
Among the criteria for acquiring the knowledge is to be sincere to Allah in one's endeavor. To acquire the knowledge for the sake of showing off or to be recognized by people as knowledgeable or for other worldly interests renders one sinful and a loser.

The one who truly wants to acquire the knowledge needs to do that in sincerity to Allah as it is evident in the following hadith of the Prophet that was related by al-Hakim which means: <<Once a man came to the Prophet and asked him about the one who does a deed hoping for reward from Allah and hoping to be recognized by the people. The Prophet replied, {one does not have any reward for that doing.} The question was posed three times, and three times the Prophet gave the same answer. Then the Prophet said: {Allah does not accept the deeds unless they are done in sincerity for Him (i.e. When one is doing the good one must seek the reward only from Allah.)}>>


Another criterion for acquiring the knowledge is for one to receive it from knowledgeable people, and not by merely reading books.

The scholars of Islam, like al-Khatib al-Baghdadiyy, explicity stated: <<The knowledge is taken from the mouths of the scholars and not from the pages of books. >>

The reasons are clear: one cannot ask a book about an ambiguity and receive a clarification. Even a scholar might have a slip of the pen and write in his book an incorrect statement that he did not intend to write; some of scholars' writings did not escape the perversions of innovators of misguidance who planted errors in them. However, if one studied with a qualified teacher, the teacher would draw one's attention to such matters.

As related by at-Tirmidhiyy, the Prophet said what means: << Allah facilitates a route to Paradise for the one who follows a route seeking the knowledge of the Religion. >>


Another criterion for acquiring the knowledge is to be neither shy nor arrogant in acquiring that knowledge.

Imam Mujahid, who was a follower of the Companions (Tabi^un), said: <<The one who is shy or arrogant does not acquire the knowledge. >>

Hence, the one who wants to acquire the knowledge and arrive at the truth of a matter should neither be shy in acquiring the knowledge nor arrogant. One must acquire the knowledge in order to gain the benefit, regardless of one's age or social status.

In praising the women of the Ansar, Lady ^A'ishah said what means: <<Praised are the women of the Ansar(3), their shyness did not stop them from acquiring the knowledge of the Religion.>>

3 The Ansar are the people of al-Madinah who supported the Prophet; those who received the Prophet in al-Madinah when he immigrated there.


Also among the criteria for acquiring the knowledge is to take that knowledge from someone who has that knowledge, because he who does not have the knowledge cannot give it. In addition to this, that person must be trustworthy. Therefore, the knowledge is acquired from someone who is knowledgeable and trustworthy.

In what was related by Imam Muslim, Imam Ibn Sirin said what means: <<This knowledge is Religion, so watch from whom you take your Religion. >>

One should stop for a moment and remind oneself of far simpler matters. If one was seeking a particular university, one would spend a great deal of time looking into and checking the different ranks of universities to determine which was better. If one needed a treatment from a doctor, one would usually look for a recognized specialist. If one wanted a house to be built, one would search for the best qualified in that field. Most definitely, the knowledge of the Religion is of a far higher priority, and one needs to check the person from whom to take the knowledge.


Those who seek the knowledge exert effort in acquiring that knowledge. In reviewing the biographies of the great scholars of Islam, one will find they traveled extensively and covered long distances at a time when no airplanes, cars, or luxury vessels existed. They used to ride a camel for months to cross the desert to get the answer to a single case, or to acquire one chapter of knowledge from trustworthy and knowledgeable teachers.

Ibn Rislan said what means: <<If one does not find a teacher where one is residing, then let one go to where one can find a trustworthy, knowledgeable teacher.>>


Among the criteria for acquiring the knowledge is for the student to observe the proper manners with their teachers. This is part of acquiring the knowledge, and it has many secrets.

This is why a person like Imam ash-Shafi^iyy turned the pages of his book so softly in the presence of his teacher, Imam Malik.

To acquire the knowledge without disturbing his teacher, ^Abdullah Ibn ^Abbas, a family member of the Prophet used to wait without knocking at the door of another Companion, until that Companion came out.


Also among these criteria is for the knowledgeable person to implement that knowledge and perform according to it.

Al-Junayd al-Baghdadiyy said a piece of poetry in Arabic that means: <<It is a great contravention to have a scholar who does not implement his knowledge and commits enormous sins instead. Worse than that, however, is a person drowning in ignorance who pretends to be a pious person. >>

The one who acquires the knowledge, satisfying the criteria for acquiring it usually becomes sincerely more humble. This humility is a sign of knowledge; it is in the heart and it appears on the outside. Yet, the humility of the heart entails more than talking softly or lowering one's gaze in a shy manner. Some frauds talk softly and lower their gazes in a shy manner, yet their hearts are like stone. The more knowledgeable one is, the more aware one becomes of the greatness of the Creator and the smallness of one's self, and the more aware of the fact that one acquired only the knowledge which Allah enabled one to acquire.

Imam Ahmad ar-Rifa^iyy, may Allah raise his rank, sometimes had 100,000 people in his session who, by the will of Allah, would hear his lesson without the aid of audio equipment. Out of humility, he used to say about himself: <<I am no one. >>


Imam ^Aliyy said: <<The people of knowledge are of three categories: First, a scholar who implements his knowledge, the one who has observed the criteria for acquiring the knowledge, and implementing it. The second is the person who learns and is on the path of success; he is the one who learns following the proper methodology, implementing the rules, and observing the criteria. The third type of person is the one who does not have the knowledge; the one who does not seek to acquire the knowledge in the proper manner, but rather follows any speaker who says anything out of ignorance.>>

This third type runs rampant and is of great danger. We see many people stand on platforms and address masses of people, while they, themselves, are ignorant. They themselves are astray, and they lead others astray. This is of grave concern, and we need to be very cautious.


The cure for the agonies many of our communities face depends on the extent of our obedience to Allah in applying the rules of the Religion. The one who learns the Religion and implements it satisfying the methodologies and criteria discussed above is pious and sincere. If such a person wants to marry, he conducts his marriage in a valid manner. He observes what is lawful and unlawful in the marital relationship; he fulfills his obligations, and he fears Allah. Since he knows how to have a valid marriage contract, his children will not be a result of adultery. He eats and drinks what is lawful, dresses in what is lawful, and lives in a lawful place, because he differentiates between what is lawful and what is unlawful. He neither takes someone else's place by force nor cheats others, because he observes the rights of others. If he goes out to buy things, he does so in a lawful manner, because he learned how to transact business according to the rules of the Religion. He implements the great manners the Prophet taught. This person performs his Prayer in a valid way, because he knows what makes the Prayer acceptable to Allah. Likewise, his Fasting, Dry Purification (Tayammum), Pilgrimage (Hajj), Purification, and other aspects will be performed in a valid manner. He does all of that with sincerity to Allah, because he knows this is a condition for earning the reward, the blessings, and the benefits in this life and in the Hereafter.

Once the members of the community attain these qualities, the relationships that govern them will improve, and the society at large will improve. The wealthy person who is sincere and knowledgeable will spend in the ways of Allah - out of generosity and love, and seeking the reward from Allah. Also, the one who is poor, like other pious people who are poor, will be patient and have complete reliance on Allah.

They would implement the hadith of the Prophet which means: <<If you rely on Allah perfectly, then Allah will sustain you and provide for you as He provides for the birds. The birds fly away from their nests in the morning hungry, yet they return with full stomach. >>

Allah will provide for the one who is poor and sincere, and has the proper reliance on Allah, just as He provides for the birds.


Examples of success in this life are to have a valid marriage, buy and sell lawfully, be knowledgeable and implement the knowledge, and perform the Prayers, Fasting, and Pilgrimage in a valid manner. The one who is knowledgeable will be led by his knowledge to piety and sincerity.

The one who is pious will fall under the Qusdsiyy Hadith of the Prophet which means: << Allah said: I prepared for My pious slaves in Paradise that which no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no one thought of before.>>


The ultimate success is to be successful in the Hereafter. The person who acquires the knowledge as it is prescribed in Islam enters the gateway to success in this life and in the Hereafter.

So be eager to acquire that knowledge. Be eager to be around the scholars. Be eager to associate with the scholars, for the Messenger of Allah said what means: <<The scholars on earth are like the stars in the heavens with which one is guided through the darkness of land and sea. >>

At-Tabaraniyy related the saying of the Prophet, in highlighting the importance of the scholars, which means: <<The death of an entire tribe is easier than the death of one scholar. >>


Be warned of those ignorant people the Prophet spoke about in his hadith related by at-Tirmidhiyy: which means: << Allah does not take away the knowledge by ordering it pulled out of the hearts of the people. Instead, Allah takes the knowledge away by making the scholars die. When no scholar remains, people take for themselves ignorant leaders whom they ask for religious answers. These leaders will answer them with ignorance, thus straying and leading them astray. >>

Allah knows best.
samsparky
Karaamaat of Awliyaa’


Allaah endowed the Awliyaa’ with karaamahs.

Awliyaa’ is the plural of waliyy. These are pious Muslims who remain on piety and do extra rewardable deeds. That is, they avoid all sins, perform all what Allaah obligated on them and stick to this as well as doing at least one type of sunnah (optional and rewardable) deed.

Karaamahs are extra-ordinary actions which may be performed by the waliyy, and are a sign that he is truthfully following his prophet (the Prophet of his nation or his time).


A miracle, on the other hand, is the extra-ordinary event which occurs at the hand of a prophet as proof of his truthfulness.

For example, when Prophet Musa (Moses) threw his staff and it became a serpent, Pharaoh’s magicians knew what he did was not witchcraft and that Musa was a prophet.

Another miracle occurred with Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) when the people threw him in the blazing fire and neither his body nor his clothes burned.



Many people witnessed the karaamah of our Master, Ahmad ar-Rifaa^iyy (512-578 H), the great waliyy who lived about 850 years ago:

During the Hajj season (550 H) when standing in front of the grave of the Prophet, Imaam AHmad asked that the Prophet put out his hand so he could kiss it.

The Prophet did so in front of a large crowd of people.

What happened to our master Ahmad ar-Rifaa^iyy was a karaamah, not a miracle, because although it was an extra-ordinary event, it occurred to one not claiming the status of prophethood.

The term miracle is only used to name extra-ordinary events occurring to prophets and messengers of God.
Master Ahmad ar-Rifaa^iyy was not one of them. He was a very pious God fearing man.

This event took place in front of many scholars and lay Muslims, and it is mutawaatir, i.e., confirmed.

Imaam as-SuyooTiyy (849-911 H) narrated it in his book “Ash-Sharaf al-MuHattam” and Imaam ^Abdul-Kareem ar-Raafi^iyy (555-623 H) in “Sawaadulaynayn”.


Abu Muslim al-Khawlaaniyy is an example of another great waliyy.

He stood up against al-Aswad al-^Ansiyy, an evil man who falsely claimed the status of Prophethood.

When Abu Muslim al-Khawlaaniyy refuted al-Aswad al-^Ansiyy, the latter tried to kill him to silence him.

So, al-Aswad al-^Ansiyy set a blazing fire and tried three times to burn Abu Muslim in it.

However, that fire did not burn Abu Muslim or his clothes. This was a karaamah for Abu Muslim.

Seeing this, al-Aswad decided to banish Abu Muslim from his land.

Abu Muslim went to al-Madeenah, the city of the Prophet, a place he had never been before.

He was met at the borders of al-Madeenah by ^Umar Ibnul KhaTTaab.

Although ^Umar had never before met Abu Muslim, Allah gave our Master ^Umar the knowledge of his story.

^Umar said, "Praise be to Allaah, Who made one of the members of the nation of the Prophet similar to Ibraahim al-Khaleel" -- meaning that the fire did not burn Abu Muslim as the fire did not burn Prophet Ibrahim before him.



Our Master AHmad ar-Rifaa^iyy used to give lessons that were attended by 100,000 people and all the people were able to hear his lesson without modern-day microphones or other audio equipment!

It was reported a man could be working in his field, planting and plowing, and still be able to hear the lesson.

AHmad ar-Rifaa^iyy used to teach the people Fiqh, TawHeed, the Arabic language, the fundamentals of the Religion, and other types of knowledge.

Yet, he said about himself: “I am no one,” out of his modesty.


Imaam an-Nawawiyy was a waliyy and a great scholar who authored many works.

Allaah illuminated Imaam an-Nawawiyy’s finger for him at night when the lantern was out of oil so he could see and continue writing about the Religion.

This was a karaamah for Imaam an-Nawawiyy.


These are the examples of the great waliyys, those who adhere in sincerity to the methodology of the Prophet, who perform the obedience and refrain from the sins, who perform many optional acts of worship, and who implement their knowledge.

samsparky
Some pointers about Ablution (WuDoo’) according to Imaam ash-Shaafi^iyy


Ablution (WuDoo’) is one of the conditions of the prayer.

Ablution is a condition for the validity of the prayer.

Prayers are invalid without purification.

Ablution effects purification.

Integrals of Ablution:

The integrals of ablution are six (6):

There are six matters a person must satisfy for his wuDoo’ to be valid.

All the other matters ordered in the Religion to perform during wuDoo’ are sunnah.

1. According to Imaam ash-Shaafi^iyy, to have the intention of purification (Tahaarah) for prayer - or any equivalent intention – when the water first touches the face. However, according to Imaam Maalik, it is enough if the intention preceded washing the face by a short time;

The first integral of wuDoo’ is the intention; one must have the intention in one’s heart to perform the purification for the prayers.

For instance, one establishes in one’s heart, I intend to perform wuDoo’, or I now intend to perform the obligations of wuDoo’, or the required purification for praying, or the like.

The intention is in the heart.

It is not sufficient for one to merely utter the words without having the intention in one’s heart.

According to the school of Imaam ash-Shaafi^iyy, may Allaah raise his rank, one must have the intention when the water first touches the face.

However, according to Imaam Maalik, it is sufficient if one’s intention for purification preceded washing the face by a short time.

2. To wash the whole face, from the normal hairline to the chin and from one ear to the other including the hair and skin, but not the inner part of the man’s thick beard;

One has to wash the entire face when performing wuDoo’.

The boundary of the face vertically is from the normal hairline to the chin, and horizontally from ear to ear.

One must wash all the skin and hair within these boundaries except the inner part of the man’s thick beard and ^aariDaan.

The ^aariDaan is the hair—other than the sideburns—growing on the jawbone (beneath the lower end of the ear) and is considered part of the beard.

(It is not the sideburns.)

If the hair of the beard is thin, then one must wash the hair and skin underneath it.

If one considers a string stretched from the normal hairline at the middle of the face to the pinna of the ear, then the hair below the string must be washed along with the face.

As to the hair on the other side, it is considered part of the head and one is not required to wash it with the face.

3. To wash the hands and the forearms up to and including the elbows and what is on them;

One must then wash the entire area from the tips of the fingers up to and including the elbows.

If one leaves out washing the elbows, one’s wuDoo’ is invalid.

It is better (sunnah) to start at the tips of the fingers and finish at the elbows.

4. To wet wipe the head or part of it - even if it is only one hair – within the boundary of the head;

The obligation is to wet wipe at least a part of the hair of the head or part of the skin of the head.

The vertical boundaries of the head are from the point of the normal hairline to the occiput.

If one washes even just part of a hair, which, as it normally falls, is contained within the boundaries of the head, it will be sufficient to fulfil this integral.

5. To wash the feet, including the ankles, or else to wet wipe the footgear (khuff) when the conditions of the footgear are fulfilled;

The fifth obligation of wuDoo’ is to wash one’s feet and ankles.

If one leaves out washing the ankles, one’s wuDoo’ is invalid.

One can instead wet wipe the footgear (khuff) when the conditions of the footgear (khuff) are fulfilled.

Some of the conditions to consider shoes a valid footgear (khuff) are for the shoes to:

-Be pure (Taahir);
-Cover the feet including the ankles;
-Withstand walking back and forth in errands without them being torn apart;
-Be worn when one is in the state of complete purity (Tahaarah).

More details about this matter are mentioned in the more comprehensive books of the Religion.

6. To observe the aforementioned order.

One must observe the proper order of washing/wiping the body parts for one’s wuDoo’ to be valid.

So, one must start with the intention of purification when the water first touches the face, then wash the entire face, then wash the hands and forearms, up to and including the elbows, then wet wipe the head, then wash the feet with the ankles.

If one does not observe this aforementioned order, one’s wuDoo’ is invalid.

Allaah mentioned this order in the Qur’aan in Suratul-Maa’idah, Ayah 6.

Allaah said:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءامَنُواْ إِذَا قُمْتُمْ إِلَى الصَّلاةِ فاغْسِلُواْ وُجُوهَكُمْ وَأَيْدِيَكُمْ إِلَى الْمَرَافِقِ وَامْسَحُواْ بِرُؤُوسِكُمْ وَأَرْجُلَكُمْ إِلَى الْكَعْبَينِ

It means: [O you who believed, if you stand up to perform prayers, then wash your faces and your hands up to (and including) the elbows, and wet wipe your head and wash your feet with the ankles.]
tangawizi
Hey Sam, would u know the Jewish prayer ritual?
samsparky
Hey tangawizi long time no see.

I don't know what the jews do in their rituals.

What I do know is that originally Prophets taught their nations about daily prayers. Some nations had 1 Prayer per day, some had 2 and there was other than that. Prophet MuHammad's nation has five.

There were also some differences in the rules from Messenger to Messenger as Ordered by God, for example it was revealed to Prophet MuHammad that he could pray anywhere on the earth where it is clear of filth. But before that the rule was that the people could only pray in particular places and not just in their home.

So I don't know to what extent the jews follow differently from what the Prophets ordered them in the aspect of rituals - but I do know they changed in the belief system drastically.

tengkuafif
It's my pleasure to announce that samsparky and tangawizi are now the honorary member of the AsiaFinest Islamic Society.
samsparky
wow thanks afif - it sounds nice but what is it? lol
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