QUOTE (samsparky @ Apr 7 2009, 01:09 AM)

You don't seem to realise the danger of 'leaving it be' when it comes to wahhabis do you?
What has the Wahhabist done that actually harm Muslim development in general? Sure, they're irritating for claiming bid'ah hasanah as bid'ah, but they are not deviant. They just claimed they are not from any madhabs (while they actually followed stripped down version of Maliki), well, most Muslims considered them as Sunnis.
I even had argued, debated with them from time to time, because the 'pure' Wahhabists' claimed there's no such thing as Shafie' salafs (aka moderate salafs), but they were proven wrong. The 'pure' Wahhabists actually funded by Saudis ... go figure ...
But we can't dispute the fact that Wahhabists contribute greatly to da'wa in Western world. Many new Muslim converts there do not have madhabs & they do not want to! Do you want to accuse majority of Western Muslim reverts as DEVIANT? I dare you!
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Do you know why wahhabis and those who claim to be salafis (but are also really following wahhabi teachings) claim that tawheed is divided into 3? One reason is to teach their students that the thousands of millions of Muslims who ask God by the rank of the Prophet are blasphemers (non-Muslims).
We can pick and choose. Differences between Sunni Madhabs are more glaring. I can easily pointed that you're a Mongrel Muslim, for being a Secularist Western Christian bloc citizens in Australia. I can accused you as traitor to Muslim world & the entire Muslim Ummah for Western comfort ... what say you?
But we both know its not true, so why harped on the matter! I repeat here again, the key for Muslim Ummah, is focusing on similarities, not differences.
What is scary about that? you might ask.
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The scary thing about it is that they will then use their students to wage war on every Muslim - male, female and child who does not follow them and many examples of this happened in history.
If you're talkin' about how Wahhabists conspired with British Imperialists to divide Arab world during Ottoman rule in early 20th century, you do have a point. But a little history lesson here, its Kemal Ataturk, former Ottoman military general, obviously a Sunni, who sold out & ended the Sunni Ottoman Caliphate.
Guess what, Saddam Hussein, an Arab Sunni (not Wahhabist) waged a war that pit Iraq vs Iran that killed more than a million Muslims on both sides. Sunni officers under Saddam committed attrocities by gassing fellow Sunni Kurds & massacre Shiite Arabs.
Both Sunnis & Shiites were to be blamed equally on disuniniting Muslims, not only the Wahhabists.
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I pity you if one day they convince you to wear a suicide bombing suit and go to Chechnia to kill MUSLIMS because they declare them as blasphemers.
Guess again, who committed suicide bombings? Not only the Wahhabbists, but also both Sunnis & Shiites from various madhabs. In case of Palestine, more or less the same, including Arab Christians also being known to become suicide bombers.
Why must I wear a vest to commit suicide for the sake of jihad, when I know suicide in any form is HARAAM for whatever reasons & suiciders will suffer eternal damnation of hellfire?
By the way, its Chechnya, not Chechnia .... as an Ozzie, with English as your first language, you should know better, Sam.
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Today my war against the wahhabis is a war of words. I will and already am educating many Muslims about what 'leaving it be' will result in when it comes to wahhabis - as it did result in many times in the past.
You know what, Shiites vs Sunnis conflicts begins with war of words that escalated to war, Sunni vs Sunni conflicts begins as war of words that escalated to war ... so its a moot point. You gonna do what, invaded Saudi Arabia with Western coalition troops behind you just like what they did to Afghanistan & Iraq. BTW, since you're an Ozzie, I may have the right to hold you guilty over Australian involvement in the invasion of those two Muslim nations. What say you?
You can't really say anything right?
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True Muslims will never boycott Makkah but they will boycott believing in the misguidance contained in the colourful books that wahhabis distribute for free at Hajj time which contain statements declaring as blasphemers the Muslims who visit Prophet MuHammad's grave and ask ALLAAH by the rank of Prophet MuHammad.
True Muslims such as the time of 4 Khulaffak ur-Rashiddin will be more than happy to do battle with wayward Muslims who do not want to pay zakat (alms) & Muslim apostates & deviants, as documented in Ridda Wars. You claim to be 'true' Muslim, should be more than happy to amass an army to topple Saudi Govt. & the Saudis who you claim as deviants. Can you do that, really? Seriously?
If you ever do that, well, that puts you in terrorist category, in which the Ozzie authorities will be notified of your whereabouts & have right to detain you under anti-terrorism laws.
If you've a grudge against Wahhabist, you may do so. I myself have a score to settle with 'em, but that's for me to settle. But stop spread your hate in this thread. It would be better if you concentrating on da'wa on this thread, because this main thread is to unite Muslims, irregardless of Sunnis & Shiites, irregardless of race & nation, irregardless of political affliation.
There are many online forums out there that specialised in Wahhabi vs the rest of us, Sunni vs Shiite topics. Even in local Malaysian online forum (CARI), we even have specialised Islam & Muslim board, where it has subboard entitled 'Wahhabi/AhlussunnahWaljamaah/Shiah/Khawarij etc' where intense intellectual, theological, ideological debates & arguments between Wahhabists vs Shiites vs Sunnis take place. Surprisingly, they are UNITED in Interfaith board when facing off against bigoted Christians, atheists & non-Muslims in explaining Islam.
That's what this thread is all about, stressing similarities, not differences in the Ummah.
Wassalam.