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samsparky
Let me tie up some loose ends.

I opened the link. Did you open the dictionary? Did you look up the word "yad"? Did you find out that to say "hand" is not the same thing as to say "yad"?

Surat Al-^Imran, Verse 7 means:

[Allaah is the One Who has sent down to the Prophet the Book that contains muHkam Verses, which are the foundation of the Book, and other Verses which are mutashaabih. Those who have perversity in their hearts, follow the mutashaabih Verses, seeking discord and searching for unbefitting meanings based on their delusions. No one knows their true meanings except Allaah and those who are firmly rooted in the knowledge of the Religion. The latter {i.e, those firmly rooted in the knowledge} say: "We believe in it, all of it is from our Lord" and none will understand the message, except the men of comprehension.]


And by the way I didn't say I blindly follow - but said that IF I blindly followed Imaam ash-Shaafi^iyy I would be better off than following ahmad ibn taymiyah who was jailed for his radical and new beliefs.

Yes, those who call themselves the salafis today are introducing new matters such as writing (T) after the name of Allaah and writing (S) after the name of the Prophet instead of writing the full words. This is a bad innovation but yet they claim that they are fighting all innovations.

If you want to fight innovations, then fight your own innovations - who other than your group said that tawhid is split up into 3 parts? who other than your group said that the blasphemers have one of the types of tawheed? NO ONE!!!

In fact, the claims of your group were refuted in the magazine of al-Azhar University.
samsparky
Praise be to Allaah and may Allaah raise the rank of Prophet MuHammad, his Al and Companions.

Thereafter;

The scholars of the sunnah said what means:

“The dividing of tawheed of some people into 3 tawheeds is a bad and rejected innovation. It is not stated in the Qur’aan or in the Hadeeth nor did any person of the Salaf (in the first 300 years after Hijrah) say it or any reputable scholar. Rather, it is an innovation exclusive to a group which are the likeners of this time (they liken Allaah to the creations). This group, despite claiming to fight innovation, have introduced this innovation.

The proof that their division is incorrect is that the Prophet, Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa sallam said what means: ‘I was ordered to fight the people until they testify that no one is God except Allaah and that I am the Messenger of Allaah,’ The Prophet did not say ‘until they make 3 tawheeds’. That Hadeeth is mutawaatir. It was narrated about the Prophet Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa sallam by a group of Companions – among them the famous ten promised to Paradise. It was related by al-Bukhaariyy in his SaHeeH.

The intention of the likeners by this innovation is to declare as blasphemer the Muslim who practises tawheed if he asks Allaah by the Prophet or by a highly pious Muslim. They claim that this person is not practising tawheed uluhiyya. They also intend by their innovation to declare as blasphemers those who do ta’weel to the mutashaabih Verses of the Qur’aan for dismissing the apparent meaning which might give a meaning which does not befit Allaah. From the above mutawaatir Hadeeth, it is clear that their division of tawheed into 3 is invalid and that they are in reality the innovators even if they claim to fight innovation.

“They included in Islam a new innovation – not said by the Muslims. It is that tawheed uluhiyya (tawheed of Godhood) alone is not enough to have Iman but that rather one must have tawheed rububiyya (tawheed of Lordship). This is against the saying of the Prophet which means: ‘I was ordered to fight the people until they testify that no one is God except Allaah and that I am the Messenger of Allaah,’ because the Prophet regarded the testification of the person that there is only one God and that he is the Messenger of God as enough. If the blasphemer uttered with this, he would be considered by the Prophet, Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa sallam, as a Muslim and the Prophet would order him to Pray (make Salaah) before ordering him with other obligations. This is in accordance with the Hadeeth related by al-Bayhaqiyy in his book “al-i^tiqaad”. Those likeners made a new religion and it is the insufficiency of testifying to the 2 matters mentioned and that is from their ignorance.

“In reality, tawheed uluhiyya (tawheed of Godhood) is tawheed rububiyya (tawheed of Lordship). The proof for this is that regarding the Questioning in the grave there is a Hadeeth with the phrase of the Testification of faith and a Hadeeth with the phrase of: Allaah is my Lord. This is proof that testifying that no one is God except Allaah is testifying that Allaah is the Lord. What a huge calamity to the Muslims this group is.”


And in the book ‘misbaaH al-anaam’ chapter 2 for ^alawiyy bin AHmad al-Haddaad:

“Tawheed uluhiyya is included in tahweed rububiyya. The proof is that at the time when the oath was made on the offspring of Adam and Allaah said to them (His Speech is Eternal without letters sound or language and can not be imagined): ?? ?? (am I not your Lord) He did not say “your God”. It was enough to say that He is the Lord.

From among what is known is that whoever admits the Lordship to God has admitted the Godhood because the Lord is not other than God, rather the Lord is God. Also it is narrated in a Hadeeth that the 2 Angels ask the person in his grave saying “who is your Lord” and not saying “who is your God”. That is proof that tawheed of Lordship covers it.

And from what is strange is the saying of a liar to one who testifies that no one is God except Allaah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah and is a Muslim “you do not know tawheed – tawheed is 2 types: tawheed of Lordship which the blasphemers and those who associate partners with Allaah have, and tawHeed of Godhood which the Muslims have and that is what brings you into Islam but tawheed of Lordship doesn’t.”

“How strange – does the blasphemer have a correct tawheed? If his tawheed was true it would have gotten him out of Hellfire because no person who has tawheed will stay in Hellfire as explicitly stated in the Hadeeths. O Muslims, did you ever hear in the Hadeeths and narrations that the Prophet, Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa sallam, when Arabs came to him to become Muslims, said to them about tawheed of Godhood and tawheed of Lordship?...What are these lies and falsifications about Allaah and the Prophet. The one who does tawheed of the Lord has done tawheed of God and whoever associates partners with the Lord has associated partners with God. The Muslims do not have a God other than the Lord so if they say no one is God except Allaah, they believe that He is their Lord and they deny the Godhood of other than Him as they deny the Lordship of other than Him and they affirm His Oneness in His Self (Reality), Attributes and Actions.”


The saying of a group of innovators that, “The Prophets were not sent except for tawheed of Godhood and it is worshipping only God; but as for tawheed of Lorship which is believing that Allaah is the Lord of the Worlds - the One who manages the creations – none of those who associate partners with Allaah nor the Muslims deny this as Allaah said: (? ?? ? ? ) which means: {If you asked them who created the skies and earth they would say Allaah.}”

Their words are rejected and invalid in their claim of equality of Muslims and non-Muslims who associate partners with Allaah in having Tawheed of Lordship.

As for the saying of the non-Muslims who associate partners with Allaah that Allaah created the skies and earth, it is only by their tongues. It does not mean that they are doing tawHeed to the Lord of the worlds.

The Prophet, Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa sallam, did not used to say to anyone upon their entering into Islam that there are 2 tawheeds and in order to be a Muslim you must do tawheed of Godhood and it is not enough to do tawheed of Lordship only.

Another proof against them is the saying of Allaah about Yusuf peace be upon him to his companions in the jail when calling them to tawHeed:

( ? ? ?? ? )

Here Yusuf called them to tawHeed of the Lord, the One Who deserves to be worshipped, Who is God, the one who is clear of all the non-befitting attributes that the blasphemers attribute to Him.


And from the magazine called ‘noor al-Islaam’ by the shaykhs of al-Azhar ash-shareef, Rabee^ ath-thaanee, year 1352 H ‘Invalidation of dividing tawHeed into Godhood and Lordship’ by the ^al-laamah Yusuf ? ? who died in the year 1365 H:

“Their statement: ‘tawHeed is divided into tawHeed of Lordship and tawHeed of Godhood’ is a division unknown to anyone before ibn taymiya, and it is also impossible as you will know. The Prophet, Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa sallam, did not say to anyone who entered Islam: ‘There are 2 tawheeds and you would not be a Muslim unless you do tawheed of Godhood’, and he did not indicate that even with 1 word and this was not heard from any of the Salaf who they always claim to follow in everything nor the meaning of this division.

“…as for His saying:
( ? ?? ? ? )
Which means: {If you asked them who created the skies and earth they would say Allaah.}

“They say with their tongue what is not in their hearts desperate for that because of the evidence. The proof for this is that they also utter words which contradict this and attribute the creation of benefit and harm to other than God. Also they are ignorant of God. They said to Hud peace be upon him:

( ?? ? ? )

“So how does ibn taymiya say: ‘They believe that the idols do not benefit or harm…’?

“And look also at what they say about their plants and animals:
? ?? ?? ? ? )

“They held their gods higher than God in the smallest of matters. Allaah said in revealing their belief about their idols:

( ? ?? ? ?? ?? ? ? ?? )
“Here is it mentioned that they believed the idols are partners. From among that is what abu sufyaan said: ( ) a word of praise to something they worshipped other than God. The Prophet Sallallaahu 3alayhi wa sallam answered him by saying ‘God is greater.’

“Look at these and tell me what you see of the tawHeed that ibn taymiya attributes to them and says: ‘They are equal with the Muslims (in tawheed of Lordship) and they only differed in tawheed of Godhood’?” The words of the shaykhs of al-Azhar summarized.
Protoculture
QUOTE(samsparky @ Feb 19 2009, 06:16 AM) [snapback]4135515[/snapback]
then do yourself a favour and step out of the outlets of the group who call themselves jama^ah islaamiyyah or JI ...


Jamaah Islamiyyah is a terrorist organisation in Malaysia & SE Asia. Many members are detained, whose organisation responsible for spate of bombings in Indonesia. I hated terrorists, or hated to being associated with them irregardless of which ideologies or faiths they subscribed to.

Sam, we can always agree to disagree, right?
Protoculture
Dear Samsparky,

Despite your obvious anti-Wahabist tendencies, you can't simply disregard the fact that the Salaf-Wahabist movement (I'm differentiating them from moderate Salaf) in spreading da'wah in Western world. In fact, the 4 Sunni schools do not influenced the da'wah movement that much in West bloc, apart from catering to non-native Muslim migrants to the Western world.

Yes, I myself strongly disagrees with with the Wahhabists, but I do not blindly follow Shafie madhab just like that. The beauty of being a moderate Salaf is that we can still remain taqleed to our Sunni madhab, while at the same time rejecting unnecessary cultural baggages & additional bidaah. I mean, I can change my taqleed from Shafie madhab to Maliki madhab easily if I'm travelling to Pakistan, so that I can integrate with Pakistani Muslims there. Moderate salafs find themselves very flexible because we do not need to sacrifice our taqleed to our madhabs, but yet, flexible enough to integrate with other Sunni madhabs by simply switching taqleed to other madhabs.

Many learned Muslims in Asia are moderate Salafs. This scenario is on the rise.

Wassalam
samsparky
Do those who call themselves modern salafis say tawheed is divided into 3 or not? If they do then they do innovate. Please read my post about the reply of al-Azhar about what deviant sects say about tawheed.
ayzn
merhaba!

so glad to see this clan thriving!!

khuda hafiz

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Protoculture
QUOTE(samsparky @ Apr 3 2009, 02:08 AM) [snapback]4185736[/snapback]
Do those who call themselves modern salafis say tawheed is divided into 3 or not? If they do then they do innovate. Please read my post about the reply of al-Azhar about what deviant sects say about tawheed.


Instead of unifying Muslims here, you're hell bent to disuniting us. Seriously, apart from Ahmadiyya & Nation of Islam which are obviously deviants, the Sunnis & Shiites are Muslims, only differing in various jurispudence.

Heck, I could easily say I'm better than you because I'm of Shafie madhab, the most orthodox Sunni & we Malays inherited the Madhab since birth & become better Muslims because we're better Muslims than those Muslims in Western countries, such as Australia. Hell, you Muslims Ozzies are secularists to the core since you upheld Ozzie secular laws, then you guys are no better than Kemalist seculars in Turkey! Sunnis worldwide, moderate or conservative, hated Kemalists!

I could easily say that, but we both know its not true. The above statement is as divisive as your current anti-Wahabbi drive. Instead becoming a glue to the ummah, you want to disunite us. You're doing more harm to Sunnis cause above anything else.

Sincere advice Sam, focused on similarities, not differences. The beauty of Sunnis, we adapted. As for Shiites, they revolutionised. As for Wahabbis, well, they're well sponsored.

Leave it be. If you're hell bent on discrediting Wahhabist, I suggest you take it further by lobbying all true blue Sunnis to boycott hajj or umra to Mecca, since Mecca is under Saudi Arabia, whose custodians are hardcore Wahhabists. Can you do that? Do you have the guts campaigning the world that Wahhabist now control the Saudi Kingdom & Custodian to two Holy Mosques as 'deviants'? Would you rise to the challenge to declare world-wide Sunni jihad against the Saudis since they're Wahhabists, & thus 'deviants' in your book?

Can you do that, or just spouting mere rhetorics?
samsparky
Let me tell you something. Unity amongst Muslims is not by leaving them ignorant to their differences. Do you want Muslims to be united by name only? True Unity amongst Muslims comes by protecting the mainstream of Muslims from deviants. Those who wrote the article in the magazine of the Azhar University of Egypt are obviously wiser than me and you about unity among Muslims. They mentioned and warned against the bad innovation of claiming that tawheed is divided into 3 -- Not to disunite the Muslims but to unite the ones on the correct path and protect them from the minority deviant groups.
samsparky
You don't seem to realise the danger of 'leaving it be' when it comes to wahhabis do you?

Do you know why wahhabis and those who claim to be salafis (but are also really following wahhabi teachings) claim that tawheed is divided into 3? One reason is to teach their students that the thousands of millions of Muslims who ask God by the rank of the Prophet are blasphemers (non-Muslims).

What is scary about that? you might ask.

The scary thing about it is that they will then use their students to wage war on every Muslim - male, female and child who does not follow them and many examples of this happened in history.

I pity you if one day they convince you to wear a suicide bombing suit and go to Chechnia to kill MUSLIMS because they declare them as blasphemers.

Today my war against the wahhabis is a war of words. I will and already am educating many Muslims about what 'leaving it be' will result in when it comes to wahhabis - as it did result in many times in the past.

True Muslims will never boycott Makkah but they will boycott believing in the misguidance contained in the colourful books that wahhabis distribute for free at Hajj time which contain statements declaring as blasphemers the Muslims who visit Prophet MuHammad's grave and ask ALLAAH by the rank of Prophet MuHammad.
samsparky
it might be said
UNITY AMONG MUSLIMS

We start with the name of Allah. We praise Allah and thank Allah for the blessing of Islam. We humbly ask Allah to raise the rank of Prophet Muhammad and his kind Al and Companions and to protect his nation from that which he fears for them. Thereafter:

Solidarity, cooperation, and standing together are important and basic elements for constructing a sound, united Islamic society. If the sincere Muslim were to take a brief look at the situation of Muslims throughout the world today, it would be enough to make him active in establishing unity among Muslims. A quick glance at the situation before and after the renewal of the call to Islam by Prophet Muhammad would shed bright light on the sound foundation for unity among Muslims.

Prophet ^Isa, Jesus, peace be upon him, came before Prophet Muhammad. The followers of Prophet ^Isa who adhered to the Religion of Islam but began to diminish in numbers after Prophet ^Isa was raised to the sky. Ignorance then began to spread among the people. Before Prophet Muhammad renewed the call to Islam, the people were living in an era of ignorance. It was a period of time when widespread ignorance prevailed. This period of time, before Prophet Muhammad renewed the call to Islam, was called the time of ignorance because ignorance prevailed among the people. The Arabs in the Arabian Peninsula at that time were scattered tribes, dispersered throughout the land, fighting and plundering each other. The intensity of their wars drove some of them to bury their daughters alive, hoping to escape scandal should their daughters be captured by the enemy.

The strong did injustice to the weak. Women were considered worthless just because they were female. Drinking alcohol was prevalent. Some had dozens of wives. People unrightfully worshipped stones and idols. Some even worshipped idols made from dates, and when they felt hungry, they ate them!! Many buried their daughters out of fear of proverty. Prostitution became widespread unjust tribal solidarity (^asabiyyah) prevailed. People blindly adhered to their tribal judgements, even when these were unjust (^asabiyyah). This was the situation that prevailed before the Prophet came with his Message. People were living in ignorance and darkness.
samsparky
The True Belief

Allah, ta^ala, said in the Qur’an:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ اتَّقُواْ اللّهَ حَقَّ تُقَاتِهِ وَلاَ تَمُوتُنَّ إِلاَّ وَأَنتُم مُّسْلِمُونَ - 102

Ya ayyuhal-ladhina amanut-taqullaha haqqa tuqatihi wa la tamutunna illa wa antum muslimun.

Ayah 102 of Suratu Al ^Imran means: {O believers, fear Allah properly (as you should) and do not die but as Muslims.}

The Religion of Islam:

Islam is the true Religion that the sound mind supports, and it is appropriate for every age and time. It is the Religion of all the prophets from the first of them, Adam, to the final one, Muhammad, may peace be upon them all. Allah sent the prophets to guide the people to what is good and beneficial, to guide them to piety, and to teach them to be steadfast on this Religion until the end of their lives.

Piety: Piety (Taqwa) occurs by doing all the obligations and avoiding all the sins. Whoever achieves this state becomes a pious person. The first among these obligations is knowing and believing in Allah, ta^ala, and His Prophet Muhammad, sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam.

Professing the Two Shahadahs:

In regards to the blasphemer who wants to embrace Islam, the belief is not accepted without one uttering the Two Testifications (Shahadahs). In addition, the Muslim is obligated to recite the Two Testifications (Shahadahs) in every prayer for validity of that prayer. The Two Testifications are: I testify that no one is God except Allah and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.

The meaning of the Two Shahadahs:

أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله

The meaning of Ash-hadu alla ilaha illallah is: I know, I believe, and I declare that no one is God except Allah, i.e., no one deserves to be worshipped except Allah.

أشهد أن محمد رسول الله

The meaning of Ash-hadu anna Muhammadar Rasulullah is: I know, I believe, and I declare that our Master Muhammad, the son of ^Abdullah, is the Messenger of Allah to both the humans and jinn, and that he is truthful in all of what he conveyed from Allah.

The purpose of the Two Testifications: To confirm that Allah is the One and only God, and that Muhammad is His Messenger, while rejecting that which contradicts this.

Allah, ta^ala, said in the Qur’an:

وَمَن لَّمْ يُؤْمِن بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ فَإِنَّا أَعْتَدْنَا لِلْكَافِرِينَ سَعِيراً - سورة الفتح 13

Wa mal lam yu’mim billahi wa rasulihi fa’inna a^tadna lil-kafirina sa^ira.

Ayah 13 of Suratul-Fath means: {Those who do not believe in Allah and His Messenger are blasphemers, for whom Allah has prepared Hellfire.}
Protoculture
QUOTE (samsparky @ Apr 7 2009, 01:09 AM) *
You don't seem to realise the danger of 'leaving it be' when it comes to wahhabis do you?


What has the Wahhabist done that actually harm Muslim development in general? Sure, they're irritating for claiming bid'ah hasanah as bid'ah, but they are not deviant. They just claimed they are not from any madhabs (while they actually followed stripped down version of Maliki), well, most Muslims considered them as Sunnis.

I even had argued, debated with them from time to time, because the 'pure' Wahhabists' claimed there's no such thing as Shafie' salafs (aka moderate salafs), but they were proven wrong. The 'pure' Wahhabists actually funded by Saudis ... go figure ...

But we can't dispute the fact that Wahhabists contribute greatly to da'wa in Western world. Many new Muslim converts there do not have madhabs & they do not want to! Do you want to accuse majority of Western Muslim reverts as DEVIANT? I dare you!

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Do you know why wahhabis and those who claim to be salafis (but are also really following wahhabi teachings) claim that tawheed is divided into 3? One reason is to teach their students that the thousands of millions of Muslims who ask God by the rank of the Prophet are blasphemers (non-Muslims).


We can pick and choose. Differences between Sunni Madhabs are more glaring. I can easily pointed that you're a Mongrel Muslim, for being a Secularist Western Christian bloc citizens in Australia. I can accused you as traitor to Muslim world & the entire Muslim Ummah for Western comfort ... what say you?

But we both know its not true, so why harped on the matter! I repeat here again, the key for Muslim Ummah, is focusing on similarities, not differences.

What is scary about that? you might ask.

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The scary thing about it is that they will then use their students to wage war on every Muslim - male, female and child who does not follow them and many examples of this happened in history.


If you're talkin' about how Wahhabists conspired with British Imperialists to divide Arab world during Ottoman rule in early 20th century, you do have a point. But a little history lesson here, its Kemal Ataturk, former Ottoman military general, obviously a Sunni, who sold out & ended the Sunni Ottoman Caliphate.

Guess what, Saddam Hussein, an Arab Sunni (not Wahhabist) waged a war that pit Iraq vs Iran that killed more than a million Muslims on both sides. Sunni officers under Saddam committed attrocities by gassing fellow Sunni Kurds & massacre Shiite Arabs.

Both Sunnis & Shiites were to be blamed equally on disuniniting Muslims, not only the Wahhabists.

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I pity you if one day they convince you to wear a suicide bombing suit and go to Chechnia to kill MUSLIMS because they declare them as blasphemers.


Guess again, who committed suicide bombings? Not only the Wahhabbists, but also both Sunnis & Shiites from various madhabs. In case of Palestine, more or less the same, including Arab Christians also being known to become suicide bombers.

Why must I wear a vest to commit suicide for the sake of jihad, when I know suicide in any form is HARAAM for whatever reasons & suiciders will suffer eternal damnation of hellfire?

By the way, its Chechnya, not Chechnia .... as an Ozzie, with English as your first language, you should know better, Sam.

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Today my war against the wahhabis is a war of words. I will and already am educating many Muslims about what 'leaving it be' will result in when it comes to wahhabis - as it did result in many times in the past.


You know what, Shiites vs Sunnis conflicts begins with war of words that escalated to war, Sunni vs Sunni conflicts begins as war of words that escalated to war ... so its a moot point. You gonna do what, invaded Saudi Arabia with Western coalition troops behind you just like what they did to Afghanistan & Iraq. BTW, since you're an Ozzie, I may have the right to hold you guilty over Australian involvement in the invasion of those two Muslim nations. What say you?

You can't really say anything right?

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True Muslims will never boycott Makkah but they will boycott believing in the misguidance contained in the colourful books that wahhabis distribute for free at Hajj time which contain statements declaring as blasphemers the Muslims who visit Prophet MuHammad's grave and ask ALLAAH by the rank of Prophet MuHammad.


True Muslims such as the time of 4 Khulaffak ur-Rashiddin will be more than happy to do battle with wayward Muslims who do not want to pay zakat (alms) & Muslim apostates & deviants, as documented in Ridda Wars. You claim to be 'true' Muslim, should be more than happy to amass an army to topple Saudi Govt. & the Saudis who you claim as deviants. Can you do that, really? Seriously?

If you ever do that, well, that puts you in terrorist category, in which the Ozzie authorities will be notified of your whereabouts & have right to detain you under anti-terrorism laws.

If you've a grudge against Wahhabist, you may do so. I myself have a score to settle with 'em, but that's for me to settle. But stop spread your hate in this thread. It would be better if you concentrating on da'wa on this thread, because this main thread is to unite Muslims, irregardless of Sunnis & Shiites, irregardless of race & nation, irregardless of political affliation.

There are many online forums out there that specialised in Wahhabi vs the rest of us, Sunni vs Shiite topics. Even in local Malaysian online forum (CARI), we even have specialised Islam & Muslim board, where it has subboard entitled 'Wahhabi/AhlussunnahWaljamaah/Shiah/Khawarij etc' where intense intellectual, theological, ideological debates & arguments between Wahhabists vs Shiites vs Sunnis take place. Surprisingly, they are UNITED in Interfaith board when facing off against bigoted Christians, atheists & non-Muslims in explaining Islam.

That's what this thread is all about, stressing similarities, not differences in the Ummah.

Wassalam.
samsparky
Why it doesn't make sense for Muslims to unite with wahhabis:

A simple google search will show you that they massacred the Muslims in many countries because they claim that all the people who do a bid^ah are blasphemers!!!!!!

If you go deeper in search you will find that wahhabis helped to destroy the Ottoman empire & killed many Muslims in the process - why? because they claimed they were all blasphemers for praying in a mosque that has a grave in it!!!!!!!!!!!!! As stated by the previous president of the azhar university of Eqypt Ali Gom^a (which I have recorded in his voice).

You are being very innaccurate by saying that the only difference between a Sunni and a wahhabi is that wahhabis do not have math-habs. WAHHABIS BELIEVE THAT GOD IS A BODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They are mujassimah aka they worship something they imagine aka DEVIANT.

If they contribute to spreading the basic message of Islam to non-Muslims that is something good - but if they are telling non-Muslims that Muslims believe God is a body and direction applies to him then I DARE TO SAY they are NOT leading non-Muslims to Islaam. Rather they are leading them to another form of misguidance.

And I think you would agree with me that the actions of bin laaden THE WAHHABI do harm Muslim development!!!

If you accuse me of being a traitor to the Muslim world just because I do not harm my non-Muslim neighbours then you are the one in the wrong because it is something renown that it is encouraged for Muslims to be kind to their non-Muslim neighbours & even to give charity to non-Muslims is allowed.

You want to concentrate on our similarities. What will you be doing by that except brushing the problem under the carpet!!! Wahhabis are already conspiring to blow themselves up in some shopping centre or other place where me our you might be!!!!!

When you bring up the topic of Saddam hussein, Saddam Hussein is one person. He didn't claim that his religion orders him to kill Muslims. He did what he did and now he is dead.
Wahhabis on the other hand believe that it is part of their religion to kill everyone except wahhabis. They are building institutions which teach this and they are passing their bad beliefs on. You can not tell me to do nothing about this!!! You can not tell me to shut up and let them continue because then YOU would be helping them to continue plotting to destroy the Muslims and to tarnish the image of Muslims in the western world.

Speaking up against such a destructive group is not a shame to Islam nor is it a division to Islam. Rather it is to protect our nation and the societies we live in. It is something that even your non-Muslim neighbour will look up to you for because you would be working against a group of extremists which teach destruction, deviance and destruction.


Proto, people can solve things by words way before it escalates into war many a time. If we do not talk about this problem then that is what will lead people to be ignorant about the dangers of wahhabism. I am not speaking up to encourage the invasion of Saudi Arabia, rather I am speaking up to stop the spread of wahhabism.

Let me tell you something Proto. If wahhabism once again leads to the massacre of Muslims, those Muslims who were silent about them will have a share in the blame.


If you want unity for the Muslims, unity will be upon knowledge. We do not want just a facade of unity where the problem is brushed under the carpet. We want real unity among Muslims - where the majority of Muslims stick together in making the true belief of Muslims known and preventing anyone from spoiling the reputation of Muslims.

And Allaah Knows Best
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