interesting stuff. i've actually been to a region of japan where the people look completely like europeans (blond hair/blue eyes, etc.) but you can tell that they are purely japanese at heart. these people are the descendants of whalers that settled in japan in the 1800's. it's interesting when you hear them speak japanese and they don't know any ounce of english.

Whats truly bogus is this sheer speculation on "racial origins" masking as some kind of "science". This bold talk as if the very idea of "race" itself is reliable, when in fact its just imagination. Please go and actually research the very word and idea called "race" as a concept in western philosophical-social speculation, and youll see what i mean. Go find out how the pseudo-scientists of Colonial Europe and America actually came up with invented categories called "Oriental", "Negro" ,"White", etc. and you will see what I mean. The very idea of "A Race" has always been a totally cultural/poltical/social idea influenced by politics, power and socialized ways of phenotypical interpretation. In short, "race" talk is just a bunch of systemized opinions on how people "look" to you, based on yet more opinons of body "patterns". "Race" is not science. Its imagination.

The fact of recent 19th 20th european immigration to japan is a fact. As i said before it was not in any great numbers and is a very small part of todays Japanese. The fact of America's invasion, occupation and continued present in Japan today is a fact. Go to Chatan, Futenma, Kadena or other places and notice some euro-looking presence in relation to the long US military presence, including mixed-looking Euro-Japanese who then migrate to other areas of Japan such as Osaka, Nagoya and Tokyo to find better opportunites. Furthermore, the modern fact of "multicultural Japan" seems to be absent in everyones racial pseudo science. This ignores the very fact that the very condition of "Imperialism" (be it western or japanese) creates social and economic change that induces migrations to occur within Imperial borders. Basically, imperial situations cause intermixing and migrations.

I find it funny that people want to insist on colorful, romanticized, distant images of far-off theoretical migrations made by long dead pseudo-whatever exotic people with a speculated existence based on scarce material evidence from thousands of years past, when there were no historical records at all, when in fact, there have been tons and tons of more obvious events that have been happening in Japan within your (great) grandparents lifetime.

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how's your comments related to japanese' roots and origin of japanese? all you mentioned was some korean influenced japanese culture and emperor thinks he is descended from some korean. does that count for all japanese?

i asked what do they teach about where japanese ppl originally came from or which theory was widely accepted as..i'm sure they want to deny the possibility that they arent related to koreans as majority that makes up japanese ppl today because of their past and current conflicts. yes, it's a theory how some might say koreans and japanese look closely alike. by saying koreans probably wont either(that they want nothing to do with japanese), i guess i'm not "bashing" japanese ppl alone?

btw, the thread that got ticked koreans was about "original" japanese king was korean..would you accept that theory at a heartbeat? i wont think so. oh and the thread starter i believe was also korean. who knows, they could have gotten annoyed because it was pointless thread..



when did i said japanese werent asians?

if i'm curious and ask a question to someone who lived in japan, that makes me a suspicious foreigner who is bashing japan and having an agenda?

to clear things up about my earlier posts, i said i remember the threads about ainu ppl that usually leads to how they are related to white ppl that mixed up with natives and what came to be ainu or something close to that, and then either korean or chinese, mongol or whoever came along and made up what japanese ppl of today. it sure is damn possibility but i never contributed to that threads or said it was a fact.

however you finally get to my question although not clear in those random accusations..not the one i expected but close enough.

This is very stupid..... I can't believe you people havent seen enough Japanese... 2
Japanese people like just like other North East Asians. There are Japanese that look like Koreans and there are ones that look like Chinese from areas such as Jiangsu or surrounding provinces, some like mix Siberians with very small slitty eyes. Some like the Ainus, some like Okinawans and some like Philipinos and some like Thais... but they are pretty mix since this is the year 2006. Japan is pretty homogenious since they all mixed up on their tiny islands. If a Chinese and Korean and Japanese dress all the same fashion, it wouldnt be possible to distinquish them. Whenever a Japanese mistook an Asia Jin as a Japanese, they look very embarass. Its funny, they would either look away thinking with a shocked face or just walk away embarassed.

r u serious? blonde haired blue eyed japanese ppl? wow. post pix, please!

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no, they don't. you mean caucasian features?


Hu Ge, Oh Ji Ho have een tall nosebridge

Zhao Wei, Betty Huang (don't know her real name) have a tall nosebridge

they'r full chinese, asian

of course they are japanese mixed with ainu blood, they don't necessarily have caucasian features.

ainu can look very not caucasian. you know why? cause they're asian.

ainu can have tall nosebridges. why? cause they're asian.

I have a tall nosebridge and very asian almond eyes. My Chinese friend has big eyelids and a lil flat, cute, pretty nose. we're 'pure Chinese'

If we made children with eachother there's the coincidence that they'll be born with a tall nosebridge and big eyelids.

anyway, my friend is a girl.

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I once saw a website that showed the possible flow of people (as recorded by blooded) around the world. In the website, they showed people near Australia traveling to Northern Japan. The first thing that came in my mind was Australian aborigines. I looked at pictures of some Ainu people and realized just how much they looked like Australian Aboriginals. They have similar hair, and facial features (i.e. very prominent brow ridges). The only major difference is that one group is lighter and the other darker.

I suspect that Ainus mostly descend from a group of Australian Aboriginals that sailed to Northern Japan. These Aboriginals started to adapt to the cold weather of their new land, resulting in alternations such as lighter skin.

Anyways, here are some pictures of the Australian Aborignals that the Ainu probably decended from:







There are most likely Aborignals that are not mixed with whites.

i think that pic was said to be japanese people dressing as ainus. not full blood ainus.

sorry i don't have pictures on my comp right now, unfortunately. they're on a CD but my CD-ROM drive is dead. but here's some info about the region, if you're interested:

Ogasawara Islands

Many european looking people live there. Not a lot of inhabitants and everyone knows each other on the islands. I think 7 generations of European descendents has lived on these islands. it was such an awesome place when i went. i'm lucky to have gone because most people don't know about this place. it's one of the most remote places i've ever been to because the only way to get there is by ferry, which takes 25 hours from tokyo (they have no airport). someday i'd like to go back because it's soo beautiful there.

japanese language has a lot of identical vocabulary in chinese, korean, and many other asian languages. lot of asian languages happen to have similar sounding vocabulary.
i speak korean so i can only relate with korean words though, although i know that japanese vocabulary has similary words in other asian countries also

japan/korean= english

kaban/gabang=bag
toshokan/dosokwan=library
shokai/sokei=introduce
riyu/iyu=reason
kaidan/keidan=stairway
undou/undong=exercise
yakusoku/yaksok=promise
gakko/hakkyo=school
jikan/shigan=time
mokuhyo/mokpyo=goal
anzen/anjon=safe
kibun/kibun=feeling
kwaidan,kaidan/kwedam=ghost story
yurei/yuryong=ghost
unko/unka=poop
junbi/junbi=ready
hakucho/baekjo=swan
dacho/tajo=ostrich
kaba/hama=hippo
rakuda/nakta=camel
kuma/kom=bear
uma/uma=horse

notice tsu and l are replaced with each other
dobutsu/dongmul=animal
shumatsu/jumal=weekend
enpitsu/yonpil=pencil
kyoshitsu/kyoshil=classroom
$hitsumon/jilmoon=question

But lemme say one thing, vocabulary doesnt necessarily prove languages to be similar to one another. so i listed a lot up there and i can go on and on. but it has no relevance that korean and japanese are similar.

what makes korean and japanese similar is the whole language itself excluding the vocabulary. japanese has the same exact grammar as korean. all particles are placed in the same way and each part of the word is placed same. get a japanese sentence and replace it with korean words, comes out same and correct. also both languages have a formal and informal format to it. to make formal in japanese, you put "desu" or"masu" and in korean you put "nida" at the end of each sentence. to make it a question, you end "-ka" after each sentence for japanese and korean.

heres example
for particle i put "pt", (korean is hard to romanize by the way, its wierd)

formal
do you go to school at 6 in the morning?
morning-6oclock-pt-school-pt-go?
j=asa roku ji ni gakko e ikkimasuka?
k=achim yosot shi e hakkyo e gamnika?

yes, i go to school at 6 in the morning
yes-morning-6oclock-pt-school-pt-go
j=hai, asa roku ji ni gakko e ikkimasu
k=ne, achim yosot shi e hakkyo e gamnida

informal
do you go to school at 6 in the morning?
morning-6oclock-pt-school-pt-go?
j=asa roku ji ni gakko e ikkiru?
k=achim yosot shi e hakkyo e ga?

yes, i go to school at 6 in the morning
yes-morning-6oclock-pt-school-pt-go
j=un, asa roku ji ni gakko e ikkiru
k=un, achim yosot shi e hakkyo e ga

if you notice, both have the same order of words in the sentence. and formal and informal is similar in the way they are put out whether its a question or sentence. i noticed, korean and japanese both have an honorific thing going on when the sentences are presented. in japanese to go is 'ikkiru' to make it formal its 'ikkimasu' in korean go is 'ga' to make it formal its 'gamnida'.
japanese=desu,masu/desuka,masuka.
korean=nida/nika.
so honorifics is a big thing. so you get the point.

ive never seen ainu before in my life
it'd be very interesting to see

theyre very unique

The Japonic and Korean languages are often included in the Altaic language family, due to the many similarities between them.

i read somewhere that the japanese tried to exterminate the ainu people...kind of sad....wtf?

also korean and japanese are considered to be brothers...

^ I heard that too.

i saw it on the samurai champloo anime.......

im not a nerd

About 50% to 80% of Korean vocabulary are Chinese loan words. same for Japan and Vietnam.

So be sure to filter them out when you compare the two.

are you sure? 50 to 80% ??

which Chinese language?

related vocabulary due to chinese loan words establish no relationships in between language group classification

yes they're full asian...but very likely they are also related to central and west asia...which is closer to caucasian...

I thought it was over 50% for Korean. Where did you get the 80% figure from?


Well that's at least a much more likely possibility than the Ainu being European.

Full of BULL CRAP ...... Koreans loath Japanese for generations and Japanese return favor with contempt.

So far,I haven't seen Korean and Japanese males feel comfortable or cordial with each other.

The problem is people like you.

Really? I've never seen/read anything suggesting that. (Except on StormFront, but we'll ignore that, shall we )?




I wouldn't say 'brothers' exactly, most of the Northeast Asian immigrants (Yayoi) were from Korea, but the Japanese are also a mixture of other groups (Jomon, Polynesian,Chinese from the coast and the northeast...)
Plus, that hardly matters these days

korean/japanese are like distant cousins genetically. in many racial profile forms, koreans and japanese are put together.