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funny how the passage mentions nothing about how closley the japanese language are with the chinese....i mean look at the symbols and some pronounciations such as 1,2,3 etc...there are striking similarities between chinese and japanese characters. And if im not mistaken....doesnt history say that "FU XU" travelled to the island of japan during the Qing dynasty with like a few thousand people in search of the "immortal potion" for the king?..
QUOTE (Kstragist @ Apr 3 2006, 05:39 PM) 
Remember what happened to the former Yougoslavia? The country worked quite well especially under the charismatic leadership of Gen. Tito. What happened to the country the moment the communism swept away ?
A civil war broke out. This is even more remarkable when you consider that the genetic makeup in the country is a lot closer than what you see now in China. The current regime in China would do anything to tie up the country together, but when CCP goes there is a good chance so does China.
Another issue that I want to deal with before I go is how genetic similarity hasn't resulted in peace among the genetically similar populations. A few chinese posters here have been pushing this issue as a means of discrediting the importance of genetics. Genetically encoded materials manefest themselves as visible and/or invisible traits. Some traits are obvious that everyone can see that there is no way a bastketball team made up of Southern chinese would be as competive as one made up of Northern Chinese. Other less obvious traits like determination, pioneership, competiveness or even the short term memory span which is related to consciousness are even more important than the physical traits but nonetheless related to genetics.
A civil war broke out. This is even more remarkable when you consider that the genetic makeup in the country is a lot closer than what you see now in China. The current regime in China would do anything to tie up the country together, but when CCP goes there is a good chance so does China.
Another issue that I want to deal with before I go is how genetic similarity hasn't resulted in peace among the genetically similar populations. A few chinese posters here have been pushing this issue as a means of discrediting the importance of genetics. Genetically encoded materials manefest themselves as visible and/or invisible traits. Some traits are obvious that everyone can see that there is no way a bastketball team made up of Southern chinese would be as competive as one made up of Northern Chinese. Other less obvious traits like determination, pioneership, competiveness or even the short term memory span which is related to consciousness are even more important than the physical traits but nonetheless related to genetics.
so are you saying Korean and Japanese are geneticially positively determine, have better pioneership, higher competiveness, and have better memory? Or is it the other way around? Why cant I see this happening in our society?
2 could you please enlighten me on how genetically superior Korean and Japanese are? And speaking of sports, do you mean Asians will never win against Blacks at basketball? Since Japan won the wcb, does it mean Korean are genetically inferior in that field?
2Genetics only meant something when actions were made to justify it...
From all those arguments i found that no one had mentioned N korean and trying to ignore the events happened throughout history. 
to Kstragist: should i tell you the reason why i thought your argument was ridiculous?
Yeah, the obvious is not easy to define.
Trying to conceal something that makes you insecure? no,that is not a good idea.
to Kstragist: should i tell you the reason why i thought your argument was ridiculous?
Yeah, the obvious is not easy to define.
Trying to conceal something that makes you insecure? no,that is not a good idea.
QUOTE (soltung @ Apr 3 2006, 06:59 PM)
thats interesting...i didnt know southern Chinese had such a good opinion about their northern compatriots... actually there has always been some resentment of northerners by southern Chinese because historically northerners dominated government (ex. Qing Dynasty)... even today that still exists (ex. feelings of Taiwan Hong Kong and Shanghai towards Beijing)....
Thanks for your comment. Very informative and rational.
I thought that the post was interesting too.
Before reading the post, I had always thought that Chinese civilization started in the South and then moved to the North. I had always thought that it was in the South that agricultural society had taken root first in China and people there evolved with the necessary intelligence, cooperation, forward planning and etc needed for farming. I thought the Northerners came to the South and conquered it without yielding much a contribution to the development of the society.
QUOTE (Mightycandy @ Apr 3 2006, 07:55 PM)
so are you saying Korean and Japanese are geneticially positively determine, have better pioneership, higher competiveness, and have better memory? Or is it the other way around? Why cant I see this happening in our society? -laugh -laugh2
could you please enlighten me on how genetically superior Korean and Japanese are? And speaking of sports, do you mean Asians will never win against Blacks at basketball? Since Japan won the wcb, does it mean Korean are genetically inferior in that field? -laugh2
Genetics only meant something when actions were made to justify it...
-sure
could you please enlighten me on how genetically superior Korean and Japanese are? And speaking of sports, do you mean Asians will never win against Blacks at basketball? Since Japan won the wcb, does it mean Korean are genetically inferior in that field? -laugh2
Genetics only meant something when actions were made to justify it...
-sure
I said those traits have genetical components not necessarily Koreans/Japanese have better competitveness, better memory, and etc than, say, the Germans. I do think that the Northern chinese's dominence over the southern ones in part come from their genetically determined competiveness and aggressiveness.
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And speaking of sports, do you mean Asians will never win against Blacks at basketball?
Not without a miracle.
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Since Japan won the wcb, does it mean Korean are genetically inferior in that field?
Korea won twice and lost once. I don't think you see the big picture in why I brought this sport issue in the first place.
Don't expect people to respond to your retarded reasoning next time.
QUOTE (hanzhongrenshi @ Apr 3 2006, 08:21 PM)
From all those arguments i found that no one had mentioned N korean and trying to ignore the events happened throughout history. -Talktohand
to Kstragist: should i tell you the reason why i thought your argument was ridiculous?
Yeah, the obvious is not easy to define. -Talktohand
Trying to conceal something that makes you insecure? no,that is not a good idea.
to Kstragist: should i tell you the reason why i thought your argument was ridiculous?
Yeah, the obvious is not easy to define. -Talktohand
Trying to conceal something that makes you insecure? no,that is not a good idea.
I've posted a scholary research done by Chinese scientists in response to your claim and all you show for is this?
QUOTE (Kstragist @ Apr 3 2006, 10:15 PM)
I said those traits have genetical components not necessarily Koreans/Japanese have better competitveness, better memory, and etc than, say, the Germans. I do think that the Northern chinese's dominence over the southern ones in part come from their genetically determined competiveness and aggressiveness.
Not without a miracle.
Korea won twice and lost once. I don't think you see the big picture in why I brought this sport issue in the first place.
Don't expect people to respond to your retarded reasoning next time.
I've posted a scholary research done by Chinese scientists in response to your claim and all you show for is this?
Not without a miracle.
Korea won twice and lost once. I don't think you see the big picture in why I brought this sport issue in the first place.
Don't expect people to respond to your retarded reasoning next time.
I've posted a scholary research done by Chinese scientists in response to your claim and all you show for is this?
yeah like your reasoning is any better.
your words of usage is stupid btw.
QUOTE (Kstragist @ Apr 3 2006, 10:15 PM)
I've posted a scholary research done by Chinese scientists in response to your claim and all you show for is this?
What else did you expect me to do when you did not take one thing as a whole?
I am just a student and taking the plain,downright,man-in-the-street attitude to infer from some obvious things. According to your post,it there something indicating the "N Chinese" also relatively competitive and aggressive than people around them(Japanese,Mongols,Koreans,Tibetans,urgurs and so on)? or it just was infered from a little knowledge history that i known?Why did you only single out "Southern Chinese" to prove your points?is that because we are Chinese?
I am not into genetical components but i do know one's intention and his falsehood.
QUOTE (hanzhongrenshi @ Apr 3 2006, 09:43 PM)
What else did you expect me to do when you did not take one thing as a whole?
I am just a student and taking the plain,downright,man-in-the-street attitude to infer from some obvious things. According to your post,it there something indicating the "N Chinese" also relatively competitive and aggressive than people around them(Japanese,Mongols,Koreans,Tibetans,urgurs and so on)? or it just was infered from a little knowledge history that i known?Why did you only single out "Southern Chinese" to prove your points?is that because we are Chinese?
I am not into genetical components but i do know one's intention and his falsehood.
I am just a student and taking the plain,downright,man-in-the-street attitude to infer from some obvious things. According to your post,it there something indicating the "N Chinese" also relatively competitive and aggressive than people around them(Japanese,Mongols,Koreans,Tibetans,urgurs and so on)? or it just was infered from a little knowledge history that i known?Why did you only single out "Southern Chinese" to prove your points?is that because we are Chinese?
I am not into genetical components but i do know one's intention and his falsehood.
From the research:
In this phylogeny, populations in East Asia can be divided into two groups: a northern group consisting of populations in cluster N1 and a southern group including all southern populations (clusters S1, S2, and S3) and the second cluster of northern origin (cluster N2).
N chinese are likely to share similar traits(such as competitiveness) as Koreans, Japanese and others who fall under the same category of N1. Southern Chinese comes under a different category hence the likely differences in traits between Southern/Northern chinese.
QUOTE (Kstragist @ Apr 3 2006, 10:54 PM)
From the research:
In this phylogeny, populations in East Asia can be divided into two groups: a northern group consisting of populations in cluster N1 and a southern group including all southern populations (clusters S1, S2, and S3) and the second cluster of northern origin (cluster N2).
N chinese are likely to share similar traits(such as competitiveness) as Koreans, Japanese and others who fall under the same category of N1. Southern Chinese comes under a different category hence the likely differences in traits between Southern/Northern chinese.
In this phylogeny, populations in East Asia can be divided into two groups: a northern group consisting of populations in cluster N1 and a southern group including all southern populations (clusters S1, S2, and S3) and the second cluster of northern origin (cluster N2).
N chinese are likely to share similar traits(such as competitiveness) as Koreans, Japanese and others who fall under the same category of N1. Southern Chinese comes under a different category hence the likely differences in traits between Southern/Northern chinese.
What is competitiveness? Putting it in detail,Please.
Who are the southern Chinese in your book?
QUOTE (hanzhongrenshi @ Apr 3 2006, 11:02 PM)
What is competitiveness? Putting it in detail,Please.
Who are the southern Chinese in your book?
Who are the southern Chinese in your book?
its funny in a way.
QUOTE (hanzhongrenshi @ Apr 3 2006, 10:02 PM)
What is competitiveness? Putting it in detail,Please.
The point that I want to come across was that some traits are genetically based, and competitiveness being one of them.
Anyways, since you want me to define competitiveness, here it is.
學校的競爭性；越有競爭性的學校代表申請的困難度越高。
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Who are the southern Chinese in your book?
I don't know what you're going to ask me next time or call me next time, but I think this is getting out of hand.
Here's my reply: cantonese, and any other people who share similar genetic mark ups in the picture that I posted.
QUOTE (Kstragist @ Apr 3 2006, 11:35 PM)
The point that I want to come across was that some traits are genetically based, and competitiveness being one of them.
Anyways, since you want me to define competitiveness, here it is.
??????;???????????????????
I don't know what you're going to ask me next time or call me next time, but I think this is getting out of hand.
Here's my reply: cantonese, and any other people who share similar genetic mark ups in the picture that I posted.
Anyways, since you want me to define competitiveness, here it is.
??????;???????????????????
I don't know what you're going to ask me next time or call me next time, but I think this is getting out of hand.
Here's my reply: cantonese, and any other people who share similar genetic mark ups in the picture that I posted.
ohhh so the conclusion is Southern Chinese are less competitive because they are genetically made that way, especially the Cantonese.
2 less competitive in terms of what?
QUOTE (Kstragist @ Apr 3 2006, 11:35 PM)
The point that I want to come across was that some traits are genetically based, and competitiveness being one of them.
Anyways, since you want me to define competitiveness, here it is.
學校的競爭性；越有競爭性的學校代表申請的困難度越高。
Anyways, since you want me to define competitiveness, here it is.
學校的競爭性；越有競爭性的學校代表申請的困難度越高。
No,it doesnt satisfy me to concent to your point. Dont divert my attention from something important that you used to emphasize.
请不要给我提学校。我们现在讨论的是人，请你直说。不要怕得罪到谁/ 比如：哲学，军队，文化，经济这些竞争力的体现方面。
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I don't know what you're going to ask me next time or call me next time, but I think this is getting out of hand.
Here's my reply: cantonese, and any other people who share similar genetic mark ups in the picture that I posted.
Here's my reply: cantonese, and any other people who share similar genetic mark ups in the picture that I posted.
You need not worry about what i will ask you.I am not so "brutal" or competitive.
HK is not competitive comparing with Japan and Korean(south and north) in the fields that you pointed out to me?
QUOTE (hanzhongrenshi @ Apr 3 2006, 10:53 PM)
No,it doesnt satisfy me to concent to your point. Dont divert my attention from something important that you used to emphasize.
请不要给我提学校。我们现在讨论的是人，请你直说。不要怕得罪到谁/ 比如：哲学，军队，文化，经济这些竞争力的体现方面。
You need not worry about what i will ask you.I am not so "brutal" or competitive.
HK is not competitive compare with Japan and Korean(south and north) in the fields that you pointed out to me?
请不要给我提学校。我们现在讨论的是人，请你直说。不要怕得罪到谁/ 比如：哲学，军队，文化，经济这些竞争力的体现方面。
You need not worry about what i will ask you.I am not so "brutal" or competitive.
HK is not competitive compare with Japan and Korean(south and north) in the fields that you pointed out to me?
I supplied a scholary work by chinese scientists in genetical differences between Southern/Northern Chinese and you haven't done anything like posting scholarly works other than making silly personal rants and stupid questions. I'm still waiting though.
QUOTE (Kstragist @ Apr 3 2006, 11:58 PM)
I supplied a scholary work by chinese scientists in genetical differences between Southern/Northern Chinese and you haven't done anything like posting scholarly works other than making silly personal rants and stupid questions. I'm still waiting though.
Dont use insulting word,that the way people are getting banned.
I am a Chinese who was born and rised in China.I learn English and try to communicate with you.I do not want to trade dirty word forth and back.
Seems you are living in west,and i heard many times that westerners like see more examples rather than hollow ideas.I want to learn more from you and your explaination on competitiveness that used in your posts.
If you feel nervous,i would leave you alone.
QUOTE (hanzhongrenshi @ Apr 3 2006, 11:11 PM)
Dont use insulting word,that the way people are getting banned.
I am a Chinese who was born and rised in China.I learn English and try to communicate with you.I do not want to trade dirty word forth and back.
Seems you are living in west,and i heard many times that westerners like see more examples rather than hollow ideas.I want to learn more from you and your explaination on competitiveness that used in your posts. -sure
If you feel nervous,i would leave you alone.
I am a Chinese who was born and rised in China.I learn English and try to communicate with you.I do not want to trade dirty word forth and back.
Seems you are living in west,and i heard many times that westerners like see more examples rather than hollow ideas.I want to learn more from you and your explaination on competitiveness that used in your posts. -sure
If you feel nervous,i would leave you alone.
I'm still waiting for you back up your initial claim with some schlolarly works.
Simple as that.
QUOTE (Kstragist @ Apr 4 2006, 12:25 AM)
I'm still waiting for you back up your initial claim with some schlolarly works.
Simple as that.
Simple as that.
No more waiting is needed. You win!
oh well...
QUOTE (luminous @ Apr 3 2006, 06:30 PM)
funny how the passage mentions nothing about how closley the japanese language are with the chinese....i mean look at the symbols and some pronounciations such as 1,2,3 etc...there are striking similarities between chinese and japanese characters. And if im not mistaken....doesnt history say that "FU XU" travelled to the island of japan during the Qing dynasty with like a few thousand people in search of the "immortal potion" for the king?..
i dont get why people keep saying china went to japan. its like a million milion miles away. its so frikkn far. it seems more logical that korea walked over there, and i mean literally "walk" over there. i dont see how its more likely that chinese went to japan rather than koreans. its so frikkn damn close.
obviously japan will have some similar sounding vocabulary with chinese. however japanese also have similar vocab with korean. why? because we are asian. and when i say asian all the nations in asia have similar sounding vocabulary
here are the numbers: # chinese/korean/japanese notice they all sound similar
1 yi / il / ichi
2 er / i / ni
3 san / sam / san
4 su / sa / shi
5 wu / o / go
6 lu / yook / roku
7 qi / chil / shichi
8 ba / pal / hachi
9 jiu / ku / ku
10 shi / shib / ju
also lemme say one thing. its not really words that make the language similar. that maybe one small factor of it. korean and japanese have very similar grammar. and they both have formal and informal style, meaning level of honorifics. when used in formal style u add something in the end of each sentence, for japanese its "desu/masu" in korean its "nida". and if u wanna change the sentence into a question you just add '-ka' after each sentence.
simple examples
(formal)
are you going to school right now?
now school 'particle' go?
j: ima gakko e ikimasuka?
k: jigum hakkyo e gamnika?
yes im going to school right now
yes,now school 'particle' go
j: hai, ima gakko e ikimasu.
k: ne, jigum hakkyo e gamnida.
(informal)
are you going to school right now?
now school 'particle' go?
j: ima gakko e ikiru?
k: jigum hakkyo e ga?
yes im going to school right now
yes,now school 'particle' go
j: un, ima gakko e ikkiru.
k: un, jigum hakkyo e ga.
to compare languages, you gotta compare the language itself as a 'whole' to look for similarities. i compare japanese with korean because i speak both languages and i see big similarites in both. if you didnt notice words throughout all countries in asia seem to have similar vocabularies, but things like grammar and sentence structure can vary. but in korean and japanese grammar is same, they have informal and formal forms and honorifics. most of the time korean and japanese are singled out from the language tree. but i do giv respect to chinese bcuz i know for a fact that they did give some influence on both languages.
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1 yi / il / ichi
2 er / i / ni
3 san / sam / san
4 su / sa / shi
5 wu / o / go
6 lu / yook / roku
7 qi / chil / shichi
8 ba / pal / hachi
9 jiu / ku / ku
10 shi / shib / ju
2 er / i / ni
3 san / sam / san
4 su / sa / shi
5 wu / o / go
6 lu / yook / roku
7 qi / chil / shichi
8 ba / pal / hachi
9 jiu / ku / ku
10 shi / shib / ju
Korean and Japanese have 2 number systems... one from Chinese and one from their native language.
Korean - Japanese (native numbers)
1. hana / hitotsu
2. dul / futatsu
and so on...
HA HA HA HA HA .... 2
It appears to me,only Chinese and Koreans are FIGHT OVER Japanese " genes ".
It didn't mattered to Japanese at all,here are BLATANTLY EXAMPLES of it.
MIMIZUKA ..... enshrines EARS and NOSE of 38,000 Corean civilians slaughtered and transported back to Japan during the Imjin War over 400 years ago.
NANKING MASSACRE ..... nearly a million civilans slaughtered and raped within a week of arrival of Japanese troops.
2 It appears to me,only Chinese and Koreans are FIGHT OVER Japanese " genes ".
It didn't mattered to Japanese at all,here are BLATANTLY EXAMPLES of it.
MIMIZUKA ..... enshrines EARS and NOSE of 38,000 Corean civilians slaughtered and transported back to Japan during the Imjin War over 400 years ago.
NANKING MASSACRE ..... nearly a million civilans slaughtered and raped within a week of arrival of Japanese troops.
QUOTE (sweetricecake @ Apr 4 2006, 02:51 PM)
HA HA HA HA HA .... 2
MIMIZUKA ..... enshrines EARS and NOSE of 38,000 Corean civilians slaughtered and transported back to Japan during the Imjin War over 400 years ago.
NANKING MASSACRE ..... nearly a million civilans slaughtered and raped within a week of arrival of Japanese troops.
2 MIMIZUKA ..... enshrines EARS and NOSE of 38,000 Corean civilians slaughtered and transported back to Japan during the Imjin War over 400 years ago.
NANKING MASSACRE ..... nearly a million civilans slaughtered and raped within a week of arrival of Japanese troops.
not something to laugh about
how do u think black people would think if you started laughing " hahaha KKK lynched you negroes hahaha hahaha"
how bout jews, "hahaha the nazi put you guys in gas chambers hahaha"
dont find it funny
QUOTE (Kstragist @ Apr 3 2006, 08:54 PM)
From the research:
In this phylogeny, populations in East Asia can be divided into two groups: a northern group consisting of populations in cluster N1 and a southern group including all southern populations (clusters S1, S2, and S3) and the second cluster of northern origin (cluster N2).
N chinese are likely to share similar traits(such as competitiveness) as Koreans, Japanese and others who fall under the same category of N1. Southern Chinese comes under a different category hence the likely differences in traits between Southern/Northern chinese.
In this phylogeny, populations in East Asia can be divided into two groups: a northern group consisting of populations in cluster N1 and a southern group including all southern populations (clusters S1, S2, and S3) and the second cluster of northern origin (cluster N2).
N chinese are likely to share similar traits(such as competitiveness) as Koreans, Japanese and others who fall under the same category of N1. Southern Chinese comes under a different category hence the likely differences in traits between Southern/Northern chinese.
what the hell is this retarded bull $hit
For the last time, WHO THE F U C K CARES? The Japanese people are still their own distinct culture and people however mixed or mestizo like they are. Genetic similarities mean nothing, their colonization of Korea and invasion of China proves it.
requested. sfodifjosjfoso ojss
QUOTE (tw?? @ Apr 5 2006, 04:14 AM)
i like burly men
wrong. what the hell are you talking about?
requested.
why must Japan conquer China to conquer the world?
QUOTE (Mightycandy @ Apr 5 2006, 07:20 AM)
why must Japan conquer China to conquer the world?
Because China's land mass/resources/population size can be utilized by imperialist japan's conquest of world domination.
QUOTE (tw?? @ Apr 5 2006, 06:46 AM)
Because China's land mass/resources/population size can be utilized by imperialist japan's conquest of world domination.
didnt they learn from history, the Han Chinese can never be truely conquer? Look what happen from Ching dynasty. And Yuan.
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correct 2
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Not at all because I dont associate with Japanese d!ckheads so no Japanese I know do that.
Koreans are probably the most homogeneous east asians.
Not at all because I dont associate with Japanese d!ckheads so no Japanese I know do that.
Koreans are probably the most homogeneous east asians.
QUOTE (Takashi @ Apr 5 2006, 09:09 AM)
Koreans are probably the most homogeneous east asians.
yup...
We fell out of the sky. 
QUOTE (Reiko @ Apr 5 2006, 06:18 PM)
We fell out of the sky.
thats just an okinawan thing
QUOTE (Takashi @ Apr 5 2006, 12:27 PM)
thats just an okinawan thing
QUOTE (Reiko @ Apr 5 2006, 06:35 PM)
you know its true
my little 1/4 tells me so
QUOTE (Reiko @ Apr 5 2006, 10:18 AM)
We fell out of the sky.
hi angel.
we came from the fiery pits below.
yeah, northern and southern chinese are pretty distinct, in terms of geography, culture, and language. the cantonese themselves are an even more distinct group of chinese. they don't refer to themselves as even han, instead, they call themselves tang people (after the tang dynasty).
only reason why HK is so economically powerful is merely because after 1949, most of the businessmen and capital relocated to there (mostly from Shanghai); before then it was economically and culturally insignificant, even under British rule.
chinese civilization started in the north (huanghe valley), but throughout the centuries it moved south, due to the fact that the south, because of its rivers and agreeable climate, has always been more agriculturally and commercially productive than the north. this is why i would say the center of China has mostly been around the eastern yangtze river valley (jiangsu and zhejiang provinces of central china). the heart of China, is of course, near its ancestral beginnings, Xi'an, in north central China. During the long history of Chinese civilization, northernors have always moved south, (due to the factors mentioned above), and thus, in the Yangtze area, many people have "northern Chinese" genes. Most of the famous Chinese scientists, businessmen, intelligentsia, political officials hails from that area. it might be true that northernors are more aggresive and warlike, which explains somewhat that throughout in Chinese history, all the conquests, invasions, and cultural assimilation went in a north-south direction, because otherwise it would have gone the other direction.
i see a lot more similaries between japan, korea, and southern china. for example, s. china, korea, and japan have a rice based diet, whereas north china, the diet is based on millet and bread and the staple is not rice, but "mantou."
only reason why HK is so economically powerful is merely because after 1949, most of the businessmen and capital relocated to there (mostly from Shanghai); before then it was economically and culturally insignificant, even under British rule.
chinese civilization started in the north (huanghe valley), but throughout the centuries it moved south, due to the fact that the south, because of its rivers and agreeable climate, has always been more agriculturally and commercially productive than the north. this is why i would say the center of China has mostly been around the eastern yangtze river valley (jiangsu and zhejiang provinces of central china). the heart of China, is of course, near its ancestral beginnings, Xi'an, in north central China. During the long history of Chinese civilization, northernors have always moved south, (due to the factors mentioned above), and thus, in the Yangtze area, many people have "northern Chinese" genes. Most of the famous Chinese scientists, businessmen, intelligentsia, political officials hails from that area. it might be true that northernors are more aggresive and warlike, which explains somewhat that throughout in Chinese history, all the conquests, invasions, and cultural assimilation went in a north-south direction, because otherwise it would have gone the other direction.
i see a lot more similaries between japan, korea, and southern china. for example, s. china, korea, and japan have a rice based diet, whereas north china, the diet is based on millet and bread and the staple is not rice, but "mantou."
QUOTE (sun.hee @ Apr 5 2006, 06:39 PM)
we came from the fiery pits below.
Thats where you get your bloody tempers
QUOTE (northwestern_student @ Apr 5 2006, 12:41 PM)
yeah, northern and southern chinese are pretty distinct, in terms of geography, culture, and language. the cantonese themselves are an even more distinct group of chinese. they don't refer to themselves as even han, instead, they call themselves tang people (after the tang dynasty).
only reason why HK is so economically powerful is merely because after 1949, most of the businessmen and capital relocated to there (mostly from Shanghai); before then it was economically and culturally insignificant, even under British rule.
chinese civilization started in the north (huanghe valley), but throughout the centuries it moved south, due to the fact that the south, because of its rivers and agreeable climate, has always been more agriculturally and commercially productive than the north. this is why i would say the center of China has mostly been around the eastern yangtze river valley (jiangsu and zhejiang provinces of central china). the heart of China, is of course, near its ancestral beginnings, Xi'an, in north central China. During the long history of Chinese civilization, northernors have always moved south, (due to the factors mentioned above), and thus, in the Yangtze area, many people have "northern Chinese" genes. Most of the famous Chinese scientists, businessmen, intelligentsia, political officials hails from that area. it might be true that northernors are more aggresive and warlike, which explains somewhat that throughout in Chinese history, all the conquests, invasions, and cultural assimilation went in a north-south direction, because otherwise it would have gone the other direction.
i see a lot more similaries between japan, korea, and southern china. for example, s. china, korea, and japan have a rice based diet, whereas north china, the diet is based on millet and bread and the staple is not rice, but "mantou."
only reason why HK is so economically powerful is merely because after 1949, most of the businessmen and capital relocated to there (mostly from Shanghai); before then it was economically and culturally insignificant, even under British rule.
chinese civilization started in the north (huanghe valley), but throughout the centuries it moved south, due to the fact that the south, because of its rivers and agreeable climate, has always been more agriculturally and commercially productive than the north. this is why i would say the center of China has mostly been around the eastern yangtze river valley (jiangsu and zhejiang provinces of central china). the heart of China, is of course, near its ancestral beginnings, Xi'an, in north central China. During the long history of Chinese civilization, northernors have always moved south, (due to the factors mentioned above), and thus, in the Yangtze area, many people have "northern Chinese" genes. Most of the famous Chinese scientists, businessmen, intelligentsia, political officials hails from that area. it might be true that northernors are more aggresive and warlike, which explains somewhat that throughout in Chinese history, all the conquests, invasions, and cultural assimilation went in a north-south direction, because otherwise it would have gone the other direction.
i see a lot more similaries between japan, korea, and southern china. for example, s. china, korea, and japan have a rice based diet, whereas north china, the diet is based on millet and bread and the staple is not rice, but "mantou."
Hey are you Northern or Southern Chinese?
I think mantou sucks. atleast eat it with some meat stuff in it.
QUOTE (northwestern_student @ Apr 5 2006, 12:41 PM)
it might be true that northernors are more aggresive and warlike, which explains somewhat that throughout in Chinese history, all the conquests, invasions, and cultural assimilation went in a north-south direction, because otherwise it would have gone the other direction.
Bear in mind that since the Han dynasty all those conquests are started by Minorities like Xianbei,Khitan,Jurchen,Mongol,Manchus not northern Han people.
QUOTE (northwestern_student @ Apr 5 2006, 12:41 PM)
yeah, northern and southern chinese are pretty distinct, in terms of geography, culture, and language. the cantonese themselves are an even more distinct group of chinese. they don't refer to themselves as even han, instead, they call themselves tang people (after the tang dynasty).
There are many south minorities(a very big population) in Guangdong,Guangxi,Yunnan and other south part of China.The distinct you find is more like between those minorities and Han. The Chinese doesnt mean Han,please bearing it in mind,will you? You should say north Han or sorth Han next time. "Cantonese" that you refererd to might be people live in Hongkong who call them Tang, not the people living in Guangdong who ARE calling them Han. It seems that you were confused with these terms. From one post i found,you even didnt know how to speak Chinese, and indeed you do know about China.
When ever i read some posts like yours,there is only laughing in my head.Dont put those genetic study in north and south Han,it is lame. Sorry for i say this. When China makes bacterin they would first target at Han,and select the Han gene accross China.Have you heard that HIV bacterin(or a therapy,i dont know how to express in english) test is only limited in Han population in China.If we are different,how it be conducted out? QUOTE
only reason why HK is so economically powerful is merely because after 1949, most of the businessmen and capital relocated to there (mostly from Shanghai); before then it was economically and culturally insignificant, even under British rule.
The reasons are the free trade, geographic position,and the capitalism not the Shanghai imigration.The GuangDongren are very successful in economy after Opening Up in 1978. Before 1949,you think Hongkong people had the chance to start business in worldwide War.
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chinese civilization started in the north (huanghe valley), but throughout the centuries it moved south, due to the fact that the south, because of its rivers and agreeable climate, has always been more agriculturally and commercially productive than the north. this is why i would say the center of China has mostly been around the eastern yangtze river valley (jiangsu and zhejiang provinces of central china). the heart of China, is of course, near its ancestral beginnings, Xi'an, in north central China.
I agree.
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During the long history of Chinese civilization, northernors have always moved south, (due to the factors mentioned above), and thus, in the Yangtze area, many people have "northern Chinese" genes. Most of the famous Chinese scientists, businessmen, intelligentsia, political officials hails from that area. it might be true that northernors are more aggresive and warlike, which explains somewhat that throughout in Chinese history, all the conquests, invasions, and cultural assimilation went in a north-south direction, because otherwise it would have gone the other direction
Ancient Han Civilization was based on agriculture as you say.The totem Long was worshipped by Han(more exactly,ancient Chinese),while the nomads in north worshipped the wolf or something represent nomadic culture. Cold weather and sterile land were the reason why "Northern Chinese are more aggressive than South ones". In the cold winter there are two rooms offered to us two,you are living in the warm one,and another one that i am living in is cold enough to freeze me to death. Now,i will kill you for the warm room.
That is why the population of Han(ancient Chinese)was larger than others.The mongol's invasion also dued to this. When one is strong,he will fight for more land that is why most ancient empires liked to start a war.
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i see a lot more similaries between japan, korea, and southern china. for example, s. china, korea, and japan have a rice based diet, whereas north china, the diet is based on millet and bread and the staple is not rice, but "mantou."
I dont really know Korean,but i know ancient Japanese culture more resembled southeast China ,and the culture of north China was influenced by nomads. Dont confuse Cultural difference with Gene difference.
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I think mantou sucks. atleast eat it with some meat stuff in it.
Mantou and noodle are rock!! we eat them with meat in plate.
QUOTE (tw波姬 @ Apr 5 2006, 02:14 AM)
God...is this so difficult to understand? it's very simple! "Ancient Chinese" moved to Korea and replaced "acient koreans". In turns, these "ancient koreans" got forced out of the penisula to Japan and replaced japanese natives -ainu. So modern day japanese are really ancient korean immigrants which has little to do with modern day koreans. same goes with koreans. modern day koreans are actually ancient chinese immigrants who got forced out of china which have little to do with modern day chinese. And modern day chinese are just mix up of so many diiferent people from all corners of East Asia. this explains everything. and that's what chinese history text have always been documented. (at least about the korean and japanese parts)
btw, do you guys find thses striking similarities between korea and Japan....?
japanese like to deny thier korean heritages and believe themselvs as a homogeneous people.
koreans love to say we k people gave japan everything.
Korean like to deny thier chinese heritage and believe themselves as a homogeneous people.
Chinese love to say we c people gave korea everything.
funny $hit!2 2 2
btw, do you guys find thses striking similarities between korea and Japan....?
japanese like to deny thier korean heritages and believe themselvs as a homogeneous people.
koreans love to say we k people gave japan everything.
Korean like to deny thier chinese heritage and believe themselves as a homogeneous people.
Chinese love to say we c people gave korea everything.
funny $hit!
2 2 2Not as simple as you make it sound. Korean peninsula was first inhabited by majorly paleosiberian type people with austronesian type people on the southern coast. Then tungusic waves displaced/assimilated the peninsula. After, 1st Chosun kingdom was setup by chineses refugees numbering around 2000? Then Chosun fell, Koguryo rose up in northern Korea, Puyo refugees moved south and set up Paekche. Silla emerged from the natives. The original Chinese outposts the three han states and they were displaced by the three korean kingdoms of koguryo. paekche and silla. The Kaya federation arose from the natives living in the south. Silla rose and unified the peninsula. Label koreans as "Ancient Chinese"? Riiight, although Korea was a place for chinese refugees throughout time, to label koreans as "ancient Chinese" is a very skewed perception
^just ignore that troll, azndood.
his ignorance screamed for regulation
QUOTE (Mightycandy @ Apr 5 2006, 04:20 AM)
why must Japan conquer China to conquer the world?
Because China is right next to Japan and an easy prey compared to other powers?
HAHAHA!!
what a topic here!
they realise a blood by culture and culture by blood.
they realise other nationality and citizenchips by ethnics and ethnics by feodalistic dynasties and kindoms.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism_%28examples%29#China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism )
they belive that if someone read chinese books then they must be chinese.
they belive if one wear chinese clouth, they must be chinese.
they belive that only one race can product great culture and others can't do it.
hahahaha!
what a daydreamers..
you are right.
what a topic here!
they realise a blood by culture and culture by blood.
they realise other nationality and citizenchips by ethnics and ethnics by feodalistic dynasties and kindoms.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism_%28examples%29#China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism )
they belive that if someone read chinese books then they must be chinese.
they belive if one wear chinese clouth, they must be chinese.
they belive that only one race can product great culture and others can't do it.
hahahaha!
what a daydreamers..
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Label koreans as "Ancient Chinese"? Riiight, although Korea was a place for chinese refugees throughout time, to label koreans as "ancient Chinese" is a very skewed perception
you are right.
일본을 대표하는 연예계와 스포츠계의 스타들은 대부분 한국계라는 내용을 담은 책이 최근 서울과 도쿄에서 동시에 발간돼 화제를 낳고 있다.
언론인 출신으로 현재 일본안전보장센터 주임연구원으로 일하고 있는 우에 다 다카히코씨(51)는 최근 `재일한국인의 저력'이란 책을 저술, 일본의 연예계 스포츠계 언론계 경제계 등에는 한국계 거물이 많다고 밝히고 있다. 이 책에 따르면 일본 최대의 가요제인 `NHK홍백가요제'는 한국계가수가 없으면 치를 수 없다고 할 만큼 일본의 연예계는 한국계가 `꽉 잡고' 있다.
지난 89년 사망한 `일본의 국민적 가수' 미소라 히바리를 비롯,60년대 `엔 카의 여왕'으로 군림했던 미야코 하루미 ,영화 `로미오와 줄리엣'으로 유명한 올리비아 핫세와 결혼했다가 지난 89년 이혼한 가수 후세 아키라,메이지대학 출신의 영화배우 다카쿠라 겐,텔레비전과 영화계의 톱스타 마쓰자카 게이코, 인기 배우 미야시타 준코 등 일본연예계에는 한국계가 헤아릴 수 없이 많다.
연예계뿐만 아니다.스포츠계,특히 프로야구계에도 많은 한국계들이 스타로 군림하고 있다.
왕년의 명 슬러거 하리모토 이사오(장훈), 왼팔 쾌속구와 커브가 주무기인 투수 가네다 마사이치,아리토 미치요 후지모토 에이유 니우라 스미오 아쓰오카 히로시 등은 모두 한국계이며 현재도 센트럴리그와 퍼시픽리그 등 양대리그에서 70여명의 한국계 선수들이 뛰고 있다.
골프계도 마찬가지.경제성장과 함께 `골프대국'으로 불리고 있는 일본에서도 톱 골퍼들은 모두 한국계이다. 지난 57년 일본 최초로 세계대회에서 우승을 차지한 나카무라 도라키치,일본 프로골프계의 자존심이자 `세계의 아오키'라 불리는 아오키 이사오 등도 한국계다.
`일본의 국기(國技)' 스모도 한국계를 빼놓지 않았다. 45대 요코즈나였고 현재 스모박물관 관장을 맡고 있는 와카노하나 간지,50대 요코즈나 사다노야마 신마쓰,다마노우미 우메키치, 미에노우미 등 2차대전 종전후 요코즈나(스모선수중 최고위)중 네명이 한국계였다. 또 지난 63년 폭력단의 칼에 맞아 숨진 스모선수출신 프로레슬러 역도산(한국명 김신락)도 한국인이다.
일본경제를 주무르고 있는 한국계도 많다. 일본 빠찡꼬업계의 대부 나카지마 겐키치씨(한국명 정동필)는 지난 89년 미국경제지 `포천'에서 선정한 세계자산가 순위 27위,일본내 1위에 올라 화제를 뿌리기도 했다.일본 사가현 출생인 소프트뱅크사의 손정의씨는 `일본의 빌 게이츠'라 불리고 있다.
이밖에도 일본 MK택시회사의 아오키 사다오(한국명 유봉식)와 80년 암으로 사망한 문학가 다치하라 마사아키(한국명 김윤구)등도 일본에서 유명한 한국계이다.
이 책의 작가 우에다씨는 "미국이 이민의 나라이듯이 일본도 한국으로부터 건너온 도래인(渡來人)들의 나라다"면서 "재일한국인에 대한 차별때문에 `몸으로 때우는' 스포츠와 연예계에 한국계 스타들이 많다"고 밝혔다.
< 일본의 한국계>
*야구:
2000년도 신인왕과 타격왕을 차지한 긴조 다쓰히코(김용언),
트리플 쓰리를 기록한 가네모토 도모아키(김지헌),
최다 안타 기록 보유자 하리모토 이사오(장훈),
400승투수 가네다 마사이치(김정일),
일본 프로 사상 첫 퍼펙트게임의 주인공 나카가미 히데오(이팔용),
고시엔대회 우승투수로서 각광을 받았던 가네다 요시아키(金村義明 김의명),
히로사와 가쓰미(廣澤克實),
기요하라 가즈히로(淸原和博),
주니치의 주전포수인 나카무라 다케시(中村武志 강무지),
노장포수 미쓰야마 이데카즈(光山英和 김영화),
이케야마, 대타전문요원 요시무라,
히로사와 유미나가 내야수 아이코와
투수 나카야마, 포수 미츠야마, 니시야마,
아리토 미치요, 후지모토 에이유, 니우라 스미오,
아쓰오카 히로시 현역시절 30승을 네번이나 했던 이나오(전 빙그레 인스트럭터),
일본출신 양키스 투수 이라부 히데키...
*배구:
일본 여자 배구 대표팀인 모리야마 준코(박순자),
일본 남자 배구 대표팀 세터였던 요시나가 후미유키.
럭비의 일본 국가대표팀 주장 오하라 가쓰지.
*골프계
지난 57년 일본 최초로 세계대회에서 우승을 차지한 나카무라 도라키치,
일본 프로골프계의 자존심 아오키 이사오,
일본아마골프선수권을 3연패하는 기록을 세운 뒤 2000 봄 프로선수가 된 호시노 히데마사..
*일본의 국기(國技)' 스모
한국계 요코즈나로 45대 요코즈나였고 현재 스모박물관 관장을 맡고 있는 와카노하나 간지,
그의 아들들인 와카노 하나와 다카노 하나, 50대 요코즈나 사다노야마 신마쓰,
다마노우미 우메키치(본명은 윤이기), 미에노우미,무사시가와
* 프로 레슬링
일본레슬링의 아버지인 스모선수출신 프로레슬러 역도산(한국명 김신락),
마에다 아키라, 쵸슈 리키,신일본의 가네모토 코지,fmw의 가네무라 킨타로, jwp의 다이너마이트 칸사이, j'd에서 은퇴한 이유기...
* 연예인중에는
지난 89년 사망한 `일본의 국민적 가수' 미소라 히바리,
엄마가 한국계인 일본의 아이돌 스타 마츠다 세이코,
일본의 힙합그룹 m-flo의 랩퍼 버벌(한국명 유영기),
eejump의 소닌(손순임),60년대 `엔카의 여왕'으로 군림했던 미야코 하루미(본명 이춘미),
영화 `로미오와 줄리엣'으로 유명한 올리비아 핫세와 결혼했다가 지난 89년 이혼한 가수 후세 아
키라, 메이지대학 출신의 영화배우 다카쿠라 겐, 인기 여배우 마쓰시마 나나코, 일본 아카데미 여우주연상을 받았던 나우시카 걸 야스다 나루미, 쿼터인 일본 엔터테이너의 거장 기타노 다케시, 텔레비전과 영화계의 톱스타 마쓰자카 게이코, 사카이 노리코, 홍백전에 출연했었던 가수로 남자 엔카가수를 대표하는 이치키 히로시, 일본 아이돌가수의 원형 고 히로미, 사이조 히데키,모리 신이치, 미나카가와 미사, 일본 레코드 대상을 탔었던 야시로 아키, 야스다 료코 자매, 일본가요계의 시어머니 와다 아키코, 전설의 아이돌 야마구치 모모에, 빌보드차트에도 올랐던 핑크 레이디 등 귀화한 한국인임을 밝혀 관심을 모은 니시키노 아키라(김명식), 95년 일본 레코드 대상의 아라이 에이이치(박영일), 일본 정상의 재즈 가수 게이코 리, 샹송가수 박성희
*클래식계에서는
성악인 전월선, 나는 운명을 지휘한다'라는 책의 지휘자 김홍재.
* 경제계에는
일본 빠찡꼬업계의 대부 나카지마 겐키치씨(한국명 정동필)는 지난 89년 미국경제지 `포천'에서
선정한 세계자산가 순위 27위, 일본내 1위에 올라 화제를 뿌리기도 했다.
일본 사가현출생인 소프트뱅크사의 손정의씨는 `일본의 빌 게이츠'라 불리고 있다.
mk택시회사의 아오키 사다오(한국명 유봉식)도..
* 작가
80년 암으로 사망한 문학가 다치하라 마사아키(立原正秋한국명 김윤구), 미야모토 도쿠조,아쿠타가와상 수상자였던 이회성, 이양지, 유미리, 현월, 나오키상 수상의 가네시로 카즈키, 이주인 시즈카, 일본을 대표하는 극작가 쓰가 고헤이(김봉웅),
*기타 분야
기시 노부스케(岸信介) 전 총리는 스스로 한국계라고 밝혔다. `자기의 성 기시(岸)는 기시(木子) 에서 왔으며 이 두 글자를 이어주면 이(李)가 된다'고 농담섞어 말하곤 했다.
일본으로 온 도공의 후예인 일본의 문부대신 도고 시게노리도 한국계.
* 축구계에
나카타가 "한국계이다" 한국명 나영수, ==> 아직은 논란의 여지가 많음
확실한것은 이나모토는 한국계다.(가족들중에 이나랑 그의 누나만 귀화를 한 상태다.)
나카무라도 한국계라고 들었는데, 그의 외모를 봐서는 거의 맞지 않나 예상된다. 역시 논란의 여지가 있으나 나카타와는 상황이 다르다..
*연예
기무라 타쿠야는..한국명으로 김탁이라는 말이 있지만 확실치 않아서(그의 부인인 구도 시즈카 도 한국계)
80년대의 기무라 타쿠야인 곤도마치는 한국계다..
심지어 그는 "한국은 신비한 나라이고...내 몸속엔 그 신비한 나라의 피가 흐르고 있다"고 말했다..
소년대의 히가시도 한국계다....... 그외에 자신의 자신의 신분을 숨기고 있는 사람 다수. 그들 중에 심지어는 엄연히 살아있는 한국인 부모가 죽었다는 거짓말을 하기도 한다..(특히 연예인분야. 이미지를 먹고 사는 분야이기 때문.)
심지어는 한국계라는걸 죽을때까지 절대 이야기 하지않는다고 한다.. 마이너리티로서의 뿌리깊은 절망감때문일 것이다.
이런 사람들이 자신을 드러내고 당당하게 생활해서 자신의 아이덴티티에 대해서 극도의 압박감을 느끼는 재일 한국인들에게 자신을 조금씩 드러낼 수 있는 자신감을 줄 수 있었으면 좋겠다...
연예계(이시다 히카리,사와구치야스코,나카무라 아키나
야자와에이키치,구도유키도 한국계다.)
* 야구선수
- 기요하라 (요미우리 자이안츠) : 할머니가 한국인
- 마쯔이 (뉴욕 양키스) : 증조 할아버지가 한국인
- 호시노 감독 (한신 타이거즈) : 그냥 한국인
- 나카무라 (주니치 드래곤즈) : 그냥 한국인
- 이치로 (시에틀 매리너스) : 삼촌이 한국인.
* 축구선수
- 이나모토 (풀햄) : 재일 동포 그러나 일본에 귀화 한국명은 도윤일.
- 나카무라 (레지나) : 외조부가 한국인
- 나카타 (이태리) : 어머니가 한국인.
* 정치계
- 천황 : 백제의 후손. 한국인.
언론인 출신으로 현재 일본안전보장센터 주임연구원으로 일하고 있는 우에 다 다카히코씨(51)는 최근 `재일한국인의 저력'이란 책을 저술, 일본의 연예계 스포츠계 언론계 경제계 등에는 한국계 거물이 많다고 밝히고 있다. 이 책에 따르면 일본 최대의 가요제인 `NHK홍백가요제'는 한국계가수가 없으면 치를 수 없다고 할 만큼 일본의 연예계는 한국계가 `꽉 잡고' 있다.
지난 89년 사망한 `일본의 국민적 가수' 미소라 히바리를 비롯,60년대 `엔 카의 여왕'으로 군림했던 미야코 하루미 ,영화 `로미오와 줄리엣'으로 유명한 올리비아 핫세와 결혼했다가 지난 89년 이혼한 가수 후세 아키라,메이지대학 출신의 영화배우 다카쿠라 겐,텔레비전과 영화계의 톱스타 마쓰자카 게이코, 인기 배우 미야시타 준코 등 일본연예계에는 한국계가 헤아릴 수 없이 많다.
연예계뿐만 아니다.스포츠계,특히 프로야구계에도 많은 한국계들이 스타로 군림하고 있다.
왕년의 명 슬러거 하리모토 이사오(장훈), 왼팔 쾌속구와 커브가 주무기인 투수 가네다 마사이치,아리토 미치요 후지모토 에이유 니우라 스미오 아쓰오카 히로시 등은 모두 한국계이며 현재도 센트럴리그와 퍼시픽리그 등 양대리그에서 70여명의 한국계 선수들이 뛰고 있다.
골프계도 마찬가지.경제성장과 함께 `골프대국'으로 불리고 있는 일본에서도 톱 골퍼들은 모두 한국계이다. 지난 57년 일본 최초로 세계대회에서 우승을 차지한 나카무라 도라키치,일본 프로골프계의 자존심이자 `세계의 아오키'라 불리는 아오키 이사오 등도 한국계다.
`일본의 국기(國技)' 스모도 한국계를 빼놓지 않았다. 45대 요코즈나였고 현재 스모박물관 관장을 맡고 있는 와카노하나 간지,50대 요코즈나 사다노야마 신마쓰,다마노우미 우메키치, 미에노우미 등 2차대전 종전후 요코즈나(스모선수중 최고위)중 네명이 한국계였다. 또 지난 63년 폭력단의 칼에 맞아 숨진 스모선수출신 프로레슬러 역도산(한국명 김신락)도 한국인이다.
일본경제를 주무르고 있는 한국계도 많다. 일본 빠찡꼬업계의 대부 나카지마 겐키치씨(한국명 정동필)는 지난 89년 미국경제지 `포천'에서 선정한 세계자산가 순위 27위,일본내 1위에 올라 화제를 뿌리기도 했다.일본 사가현 출생인 소프트뱅크사의 손정의씨는 `일본의 빌 게이츠'라 불리고 있다.
이밖에도 일본 MK택시회사의 아오키 사다오(한국명 유봉식)와 80년 암으로 사망한 문학가 다치하라 마사아키(한국명 김윤구)등도 일본에서 유명한 한국계이다.
이 책의 작가 우에다씨는 "미국이 이민의 나라이듯이 일본도 한국으로부터 건너온 도래인(渡來人)들의 나라다"면서 "재일한국인에 대한 차별때문에 `몸으로 때우는' 스포츠와 연예계에 한국계 스타들이 많다"고 밝혔다.
< 일본의 한국계>
*야구:
2000년도 신인왕과 타격왕을 차지한 긴조 다쓰히코(김용언),
트리플 쓰리를 기록한 가네모토 도모아키(김지헌),
최다 안타 기록 보유자 하리모토 이사오(장훈),
400승투수 가네다 마사이치(김정일),
일본 프로 사상 첫 퍼펙트게임의 주인공 나카가미 히데오(이팔용),
고시엔대회 우승투수로서 각광을 받았던 가네다 요시아키(金村義明 김의명),
히로사와 가쓰미(廣澤克實),
기요하라 가즈히로(淸原和博),
주니치의 주전포수인 나카무라 다케시(中村武志 강무지),
노장포수 미쓰야마 이데카즈(光山英和 김영화),
이케야마, 대타전문요원 요시무라,
히로사와 유미나가 내야수 아이코와
투수 나카야마, 포수 미츠야마, 니시야마,
아리토 미치요, 후지모토 에이유, 니우라 스미오,
아쓰오카 히로시 현역시절 30승을 네번이나 했던 이나오(전 빙그레 인스트럭터),
일본출신 양키스 투수 이라부 히데키...
*배구:
일본 여자 배구 대표팀인 모리야마 준코(박순자),
일본 남자 배구 대표팀 세터였던 요시나가 후미유키.
럭비의 일본 국가대표팀 주장 오하라 가쓰지.
*골프계
지난 57년 일본 최초로 세계대회에서 우승을 차지한 나카무라 도라키치,
일본 프로골프계의 자존심 아오키 이사오,
일본아마골프선수권을 3연패하는 기록을 세운 뒤 2000 봄 프로선수가 된 호시노 히데마사..
*일본의 국기(國技)' 스모
한국계 요코즈나로 45대 요코즈나였고 현재 스모박물관 관장을 맡고 있는 와카노하나 간지,
그의 아들들인 와카노 하나와 다카노 하나, 50대 요코즈나 사다노야마 신마쓰,
다마노우미 우메키치(본명은 윤이기), 미에노우미,무사시가와
* 프로 레슬링
일본레슬링의 아버지인 스모선수출신 프로레슬러 역도산(한국명 김신락),
마에다 아키라, 쵸슈 리키,신일본의 가네모토 코지,fmw의 가네무라 킨타로, jwp의 다이너마이트 칸사이, j'd에서 은퇴한 이유기...
* 연예인중에는
지난 89년 사망한 `일본의 국민적 가수' 미소라 히바리,
엄마가 한국계인 일본의 아이돌 스타 마츠다 세이코,
일본의 힙합그룹 m-flo의 랩퍼 버벌(한국명 유영기),
eejump의 소닌(손순임),60년대 `엔카의 여왕'으로 군림했던 미야코 하루미(본명 이춘미),
영화 `로미오와 줄리엣'으로 유명한 올리비아 핫세와 결혼했다가 지난 89년 이혼한 가수 후세 아
키라, 메이지대학 출신의 영화배우 다카쿠라 겐, 인기 여배우 마쓰시마 나나코, 일본 아카데미 여우주연상을 받았던 나우시카 걸 야스다 나루미, 쿼터인 일본 엔터테이너의 거장 기타노 다케시, 텔레비전과 영화계의 톱스타 마쓰자카 게이코, 사카이 노리코, 홍백전에 출연했었던 가수로 남자 엔카가수를 대표하는 이치키 히로시, 일본 아이돌가수의 원형 고 히로미, 사이조 히데키,모리 신이치, 미나카가와 미사, 일본 레코드 대상을 탔었던 야시로 아키, 야스다 료코 자매, 일본가요계의 시어머니 와다 아키코, 전설의 아이돌 야마구치 모모에, 빌보드차트에도 올랐던 핑크 레이디 등 귀화한 한국인임을 밝혀 관심을 모은 니시키노 아키라(김명식), 95년 일본 레코드 대상의 아라이 에이이치(박영일), 일본 정상의 재즈 가수 게이코 리, 샹송가수 박성희
*클래식계에서는
성악인 전월선, 나는 운명을 지휘한다'라는 책의 지휘자 김홍재.
* 경제계에는
일본 빠찡꼬업계의 대부 나카지마 겐키치씨(한국명 정동필)는 지난 89년 미국경제지 `포천'에서
선정한 세계자산가 순위 27위, 일본내 1위에 올라 화제를 뿌리기도 했다.
일본 사가현출생인 소프트뱅크사의 손정의씨는 `일본의 빌 게이츠'라 불리고 있다.
mk택시회사의 아오키 사다오(한국명 유봉식)도..
* 작가
80년 암으로 사망한 문학가 다치하라 마사아키(立原正秋한국명 김윤구), 미야모토 도쿠조,아쿠타가와상 수상자였던 이회성, 이양지, 유미리, 현월, 나오키상 수상의 가네시로 카즈키, 이주인 시즈카, 일본을 대표하는 극작가 쓰가 고헤이(김봉웅),
*기타 분야
기시 노부스케(岸信介) 전 총리는 스스로 한국계라고 밝혔다. `자기의 성 기시(岸)는 기시(木子) 에서 왔으며 이 두 글자를 이어주면 이(李)가 된다'고 농담섞어 말하곤 했다.
일본으로 온 도공의 후예인 일본의 문부대신 도고 시게노리도 한국계.
* 축구계에
나카타가 "한국계이다" 한국명 나영수, ==> 아직은 논란의 여지가 많음
확실한것은 이나모토는 한국계다.(가족들중에 이나랑 그의 누나만 귀화를 한 상태다.)
나카무라도 한국계라고 들었는데, 그의 외모를 봐서는 거의 맞지 않나 예상된다. 역시 논란의 여지가 있으나 나카타와는 상황이 다르다..
*연예
기무라 타쿠야는..한국명으로 김탁이라는 말이 있지만 확실치 않아서(그의 부인인 구도 시즈카 도 한국계)
80년대의 기무라 타쿠야인 곤도마치는 한국계다..
심지어 그는 "한국은 신비한 나라이고...내 몸속엔 그 신비한 나라의 피가 흐르고 있다"고 말했다..
소년대의 히가시도 한국계다....... 그외에 자신의 자신의 신분을 숨기고 있는 사람 다수. 그들 중에 심지어는 엄연히 살아있는 한국인 부모가 죽었다는 거짓말을 하기도 한다..(특히 연예인분야. 이미지를 먹고 사는 분야이기 때문.)
심지어는 한국계라는걸 죽을때까지 절대 이야기 하지않는다고 한다.. 마이너리티로서의 뿌리깊은 절망감때문일 것이다.
이런 사람들이 자신을 드러내고 당당하게 생활해서 자신의 아이덴티티에 대해서 극도의 압박감을 느끼는 재일 한국인들에게 자신을 조금씩 드러낼 수 있는 자신감을 줄 수 있었으면 좋겠다...
연예계(이시다 히카리,사와구치야스코,나카무라 아키나
야자와에이키치,구도유키도 한국계다.)
* 야구선수
- 기요하라 (요미우리 자이안츠) : 할머니가 한국인
- 마쯔이 (뉴욕 양키스) : 증조 할아버지가 한국인
- 호시노 감독 (한신 타이거즈) : 그냥 한국인
- 나카무라 (주니치 드래곤즈) : 그냥 한국인
- 이치로 (시에틀 매리너스) : 삼촌이 한국인.
* 축구선수
- 이나모토 (풀햄) : 재일 동포 그러나 일본에 귀화 한국명은 도윤일.
- 나카무라 (레지나) : 외조부가 한국인
- 나카타 (이태리) : 어머니가 한국인.
* 정치계
- 천황 : 백제의 후손. 한국인.
QUOTE (TomorrowNeverKnows @ Mar 27 2006, 04:33 AM)
its amazing how much koreans want to be related to the japanese and even claim that they are from european descent.
LOL, all Sinid-Mongolid peoples came from the original Mongol stock during the late Pleistocene era(11,000+ yrs ago) in the North Central Asian region as the glacial period ended and the ice melting families/clans/tribes dispersed from their original homeland. Genetically were all Mongol by blood-relations not culture.
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