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danoc
QUOTE (mongoloidboy @ Apr 7 2006, 03:48 AM) *
LOL, all Sinid-Mongolid peoples came from the original Mongol stock during the late Pleistocene era(11,000+ yrs ago) in the North Central Asian region as the glacial period ended and the ice melting families/clans/tribes dispersed from their original homeland. Genetically were all Mongol by blood-relations not culture.



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"geneticaly" is ever a blood relation. (genes are part of blood, or do you see it as culture?) <irony

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"Mongol" is nationality and ethnic group.

"mongoloid" is term for race-group(aka "Species") of humans.

you know that thing: that is useful for describing of animals bodies, but very useless for describing of poltical and sozial groups aka nationality, ethnic, citizenship.


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mongol? or african? or north european? Inka from south-america?

wait, wait!

dont say it!

it can be only african, born in South-America mixed with europeans and immigrated into Mongolia and now do life in Tibet!
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https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html
alee90
QUOTE(shashoujian @ Apr 3 2006, 06:23 PM) [snapback]1716935[/snapback]

Koreans on this forum try to make up a stereotype of them being generally tall compared to other Asians, but in reality, that's not the case.

Actually, it is the case and by a big margin.

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shashoujian
QUOTE(alee90 @ Apr 21 2006, 03:25 PM) [snapback]1774168[/snapback]

Actually, it is the case and by a big margin.

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Seen it. That pic was shown a long time ago by CCCP. Let me ask you, did they check all 1.3 billion people in China? Probably not.

Some are tall, some are not. I've seen many more tall Chinese than I did for Koreans, but that's just me.
Zezei
Rurutia - Primary

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=P4YBAYYN
the_falcon
QUOTE(bigboy @ Mar 27 2006, 07:44 PM) [snapback]1693890[/snapback]

yeah, but its amazing how almost every article i read about japanese origings, korea is always involved somewhere. i dont know why, but it doesnt make sense

yeah, sometimes im like man why do koreans keep saying japan intermixed with koreans. its just ridiculously absurd. how the hell can someone say that? korea had no relations with japan ever. even though korea is like one tippy toe footstep away from japan. there is no way in the world that its possible that korea wouldve thought to cross over and check things out. that just isnt logical, who in the right mind would think about stepping on land that is 2 inches away from them. its more likely that china would cross over to japan than korea. its more likely that the chinese entered through korea and traveled thousands of miles and somehow ended up in japan rather than koreans simply crossing over with one step to japan. it is just ludicrous how koreans think koreans settled in japan. just cuz korea is the closest to japan than any other nation in the world, doesnt mean that koreans are the most likely people to have went to japan.



laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif ..........yea u made ur point ........

i think that japanese people came from korea as well.............maybe a few of them but some of them definitely came from korea......... icon_confused.gif
korean_turtle87
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yeah, but its amazing how almost every article i read about japanese origings, korea is always involved somewhere. i dont know why, but it doesnt make sense

yeah, sometimes im like man why do koreans keep saying japan intermixed with koreans. its just ridiculously absurd. how the hell can someone say that? korea had no relations with japan ever. even though korea is like one tippy toe footstep away from japan. there is no way in the world that its possible that korea wouldve thought to cross over and check things out. that just isnt logical, who in the right mind would think about stepping on land that is 2 inches away from them. its more likely that china would cross over to japan than korea. its more likely that the chinese entered through korea and traveled thousands of miles and somehow ended up in japan rather than koreans simply crossing over with one step to japan. it is just ludicrous how koreans think koreans settled in japan. just cuz korea is the closest to japan than any other nation in the world, doesnt mean that koreans are the most likely people to have went to japan.

well, wouldn't really say settled. more like sought refuge. and it was the koguryo or beakje koreans that went to Japan after gettin owned by Shilla.
shaolin01
http://www.uglychinese.org/japanese.htm

i think this website would be useful
fraggo
O RLY?
alee90
QUOTE(shashoujian @ Apr 21 2006, 05:36 PM) [snapback]1774561[/snapback]

Seen it. That pic was shown a long time ago by CCCP. Let me ask you, did they check all 1.3 billion people in China? Probably not.

Its not that hard. Dont Chinese schools check for average height?
It should be part of routine health check that most countries do.

QUOTE(shashoujian @ Apr 21 2006, 05:36 PM) [snapback]1774561[/snapback]

Some are tall, some are not. I've seen many more tall Chinese than I did for Koreans, but that's just me.

Ive seen more tall koreans than chinese.
I believe theses figures as they seem to match government stats.

shashoujian
1) No, they don't. In China, we don't record down our heights, facial features, penis sizes (as part of a national census) and whatnot for the sake of having to show off in front of foreigners.

2) Do you think I care? Like I said, as far as I'm concerned I've seen more tall Chinese than I have for Koreans - and that's just me. I have no clue what "government stats" you're talking about. What you believe is something I could really care less about.
alee90
QUOTE(shashoujian @ Apr 21 2006, 10:40 PM) [snapback]1775527[/snapback]

1) No, they don't. In China, we don't record down our heights, facial features, penis sizes (as part of a national census) and whatnot for the sake of having to show off in front of foreigners.


It is not done to show off. What makes you think that?
It is important part of research making sure countries youth are getting the right nutrients.

And chinese do research their average height.
This is translated Chinese news paper article from korean news site.
It basically states Dutch are the tallest in the world and N.Koreans are shortest.
It also states S.Koreans are tallest in asia with 173㎝ average height.

http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/international/i...ral/115189.html

청년층 남성의 평균 신장은 세계에서 네덜란드가 가장 크고 북한이 가장 작은 것으로 나타났다고 중국 관영 <신화통신>이 12일 <에이피(AP)통신>의 ‘2005년 상반기 동아시아 통계 연감’을 따 보도했다.
보도를 보면 네덜란드의 20~25살 남성은 평균 182.5㎝로 가장 큰 것으로 나타났고, 북한은 같은 연령대 남성의 키가 평균 158㎝로 비교 대상 37개 국가 가운데 가장 작은 것으로 나타났다. 네덜란드는 이 연령대 여성 평균도 170㎝나 되는 것으로 나타났다. 이어 덴마크가 181.5㎝로 2위, 독일이 180.2㎝, 노르웨이 179.7㎝, 스웨덴 179.6㎝, 룩셈부르크 179.1㎝, 오스트리아 178.2㎝, 핀란드 178.2㎝, 영국 178.1㎝ 등의 순서로 조사돼 유럽에서도 북유럽 국가의 청년들이 신장이 큰 것으로 나타났다.

한국은 남성 평균 신장이 173㎝로 아시아에서 가장 큰 것으로 조사됐고, 일본은 170.7㎝, 중국은 169.7㎝로 조사됐다. 보도는 한국과 북한의 청년층 남성 평균 신장을 대비한 뒤, “같은 민족인 남북한의 평균 신장이 이렇게 차이가 나는 건 유전인자 이외에 생활 조건과 영양이 신장에 큰 영향을 끼침을 보여주는 사례”라고 말했다. 중국의 경우는 북방이 남방보다 평균 신장이 컸고, 경제가 발달한 동부지역이 서부지역보다, 도시가 농촌보다 평균 신장이 큰 것으로 조사됐다.








QUOTE(shashoujian @ Apr 21 2006, 10:40 PM) [snapback]1775527[/snapback]


I have no clue what "government stats" you're talking about


Government sites list important stats such as average heights.

http://www.stat.go.jp/data/nihon/zuhyou/n2100200.xls

Thats just one i cant seemed find others right now because links seem to be dead and i cant be bothered.
korean_turtle87
damn. i'm 172 ish so close
shashoujian
QUOTE(alee90 @ Apr 22 2006, 06:17 AM) [snapback]1776380[/snapback]

It is not done to show off. What makes you think that?
It is important part of research making sure countries youth are getting the right nutrients.

And chinese do research their average height.
This is translated Chinese news paper article from korean news site.
It basically states Dutch are the tallest in the world and N.Koreans are shortest.
It also states S.Koreans are tallest in asia with 173㎝ average height.

http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/international/i...ral/115189.html

청년층 남성의 평균 신장은 세계에서 네덜란드가 가장 크고 북한이 가장 작은 것으로 나타났다고 중국 관영 <신화통신>이 12일 <에이피(AP)통신>의 ‘2005년 상반기 동아시아 통계 연감’을 따 보도했다.
보도를 보면 네덜란드의 20~25살 남성은 평균 182.5㎝로 가장 큰 것으로 나타났고, 북한은 같은 연령대 남성의 키가 평균 158㎝로 비교 대상 37개 국가 가운데 가장 작은 것으로 나타났다. 네덜란드는 이 연령대 여성 평균도 170㎝나 되는 것으로 나타났다. 이어 덴마크가 181.5㎝로 2위, 독일이 180.2㎝, 노르웨이 179.7㎝, 스웨덴 179.6㎝, 룩셈부르크 179.1㎝, 오스트리아 178.2㎝, 핀란드 178.2㎝, 영국 178.1㎝ 등의 순서로 조사돼 유럽에서도 북유럽 국가의 청년들이 신장이 큰 것으로 나타났다.

한국은 남성 평균 신장이 173㎝로 아시아에서 가장 큰 것으로 조사됐고, 일본은 170.7㎝, 중국은 169.7㎝로 조사됐다. 보도는 한국과 북한의 청년층 남성 평균 신장을 대비한 뒤, “같은 민족인 남북한의 평균 신장이 이렇게 차이가 나는 건 유전인자 이외에 생활 조건과 영양이 신장에 큰 영향을 끼침을 보여주는 사례”라고 말했다. 중국의 경우는 북방이 남방보다 평균 신장이 컸고, 경제가 발달한 동부지역이 서부지역보다, 도시가 농촌보다 평균 신장이 큰 것으로 조사됐다.

Government sites list important stats such as average heights.

http://www.stat.go.jp/data/nihon/zuhyou/n2100200.xls

Thats just one i cant seemed find others right now because links seem to be dead and i cant be bothered.



1) Note to self: Sarcasm doesn't work very well on the internet.

Good job with finding the article. Of course, you don't realize I can't read Korean, what's your point of showing me a Korean article? Let me tell you, I HIGHLY doubt it is possible that you can record down the height of all 1.3 billion people - it's just not possible.

And aren't North Koreans also Koreans? Why don't you take an average of ALL Koreans?

2) Since when did we ever talk about Japanese heights? We didn't. Don't bring up crap that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. I was referring to the "government stats" regarding Chinese heights - not Japanese since that's what we were talking about.

Heh, also, why did you even bother to dig up a post from a while back? Did I hit a nerve?
Kitty02478
is it just me, or why does it always feel like everyone's obsessed with finding out the origins of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, etc... CAn't we be just Japanese, Korean, Chinese? I mean, who really cares where people are from?
chinaol4
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is it just me, or why does it always feel like everyone's obsessed with finding out the origins of Japanese, Korean, Chinese, etc... CAn't we be just Japanese, Korean, Chinese? I mean, who really cares where people are from?


i think its just korean people flooding the threads in the japanese forum
michinobu_zoned
QUOTE(supapimp @ Mar 26 2006, 04:21 PM) [snapback]1689553[/snapback]

the japanese emperor ancestry who was considered deity were originally Korean. the people that japanese literally worshipped were all Korean... such as emperor's past lineage, mas oyama, rikidozan


I've read somewhere that the remains of early yayoi rulers were Jomon. I think that the yayoi people migrated into Japan and a Jomon group managed to somehow unite the yayoi? I don't know, but I don't think that the Japanese deities are Korean. Some make the comparison to Japanese worship of nature and animism with Native American beliefs.

QUOTE(EvilAsianDude @ Mar 26 2006, 09:38 PM) [snapback]1690431[/snapback]

The Japanese did come from Korea. Genetic testing even proves this. The Japanese are closer to Koreans than any other group, ethnicity or race. Koreans are closer to the Japanese than any other race.

What surprises me the most is that Koreans are genetically closer to western europeons then they are to Southern Chinese.


Well, if you're going to use genetics, the Japanese yap+ chromosome makes them very distinct from even Koreans.

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Fig. 2 Distribution of Y haplogroups in east Asia. Circle area is proportional to sample size, and the nine haplogroups are represented by different colors

The distribution of Y-chromosomal variation surveyed here reveals significant genetic differences among east Asian populations. Haplogroup DE-YAP (the YAP+ allele) was present at high frequency only in the Japanese and was rare in other parts of east Asia (Table 2, Fig. 2). This result is consistent with previous findings of YAP+ chromosomes only in populations from Japan and Tibet in east Asia (Hammer and Horai 1995; Hammer et al. 1997; Kim et al. 2000; Tajima at al. 2002). However, haplogroup DE-YAP is also found at low frequencies in all the other northeast Asian populations sampled here (2.4% overall, excluding the Japanese; 9.6%, including the Japanese), but only in two of the southern populations (0.8% overall), suggesting that the Korean YAP+ chromosomes are unlikely to have been derived from a southeast Asian source. The prevalence of the YAP+ allele in central Asian populations suggests a genetic contribution to the east Asian populations from the northwest, probably from central Asia (Altheide and Hammer 1997; Jin and Su 2000; Karafet et al. 2001).

Haplogroups C-RPS4Y711 and K-M9 were widely but not evenly distributed in the east Asian populations. Haplogroup C-RPS4Y711 appears to be the predominant northeast Asian haplogroup, with high frequencies in Mongolians (Buryats, 37.3%; Khalkhs, 42.9%) and Manchurians (22.7%; Table 2, Fig. 2). The moderate frequency of haplogroup C-RPS4Y711 Y-chromosomes in Korea (15.0%) implies a genetic influence from northern populations of east Asia, starting possibly in east Siberia. Su and Jin (2001) suggest that the RPS4Y711-T chromosome originated in east Asia, probably in the southeast, and then expanded to the north (Siberia), based on the genetic diversity of Y-STR markers. However, the observed low Y-STR diversity of haplogroup C-RPS4Y711 chromosomes in their surveys of Siberian and central Asian populations compared with east Asian populations could also be explained by a more northern (Mongolian and/or Siberian) origin followed by genetic drift resulting from small effective population sizes (Pakendorf et al. 2002). Recently, Cavalli-Sforza and Feldman (2003) have suggested that haplogroup C-RPS4Y711 expanded both through a southern route from Africa (e.g., India) to Oceania, and a northern one to Mongolia, Siberia, and eventually to northwest America. Further genetic surveys are required to test these hypotheses, with additional markers and more samples from diverse regions of Asia.
In contrast, M9-G Y-chromosomes show an opposing distribution to those carrying RPS4Y711-T in east Asia: they are more frequent in southern populations than in northern ones, showing a clinal variation from about 90% to 60% (Table 1). The haplogroups carrying the M9-G mutation and additional sublineages of M9-G in Korea appear to be at an intermediate frequency (81.9%) between southeast and northeast Asian populations. This result implies that the Korean population may be influenced by both the northeast and southeast Asian populations. Even within haplogroup O, the most frequent Korean STR haplotype (23-10-13 with the markers DYS390-DYS391-DYS393, 19% of haplogroup O; Table 3) is the most frequent in the Philippines (27%), whereas the second most frequent Korean haplotype (24-10-12, 16%) is the most frequent in Manchuria (45%). Thus, the distribution of haplogroups K-M9 and C-RPS4Y711 may reflect dispersals from both north and south. The settlement of each region at different times needs to be considered in order to understand the peopling of east Asia. Recently, Karafet et al. (2001) have noted that realistic explanations for the peopling of east Asia have to accommodate more complex multidirectional biological and cultural influences than earlier models have allowed.


This is some image that you can find on almost any forum on the same matter. I won't go all out like some people on this forum (check another thread out about Jomon features) and act like Japanese people are part white, like you seem to be asserting in addition to Koreans being more like white people. You know who else also thought that? Hitler. But, he was a madman, he was against testing cosmetic products on animals but was all for doing experiments of unspeakable horrors on Jews.

Here's another pic and lengthy descrip.

IPB ImageFig. 2. Frequency distributions of the eight Y-chromosome haplotypes for the 14 global populations, with their approximate geographic locations. The frequencies of the eight haplotypes are shown as colored pie charts (for color codes, see upper left insert). JP Japanese

Only four Japanese populations exhibited ht1 (defined only by YAP+) at various frequencies (also see Table 1). The highest frequency (87.5%) was found in JP-Ainu, followed by JP-Okinawa (55.6%) living in the southwestern islands of Japan, JP-Honshu (36.6%), and JP-Kyushu (27.9%). The ht2 haplotype (defined by YAP+/M15+) was found in only two males, one each from Thais and Thai-Khmers; ht3 (defined by YAP+/SRY4064-A) was completely absent in the Asian populations examined, whereas Jewish in the Uzbekistan and African populations had this haplotype with a frequency of 28.3% and 100%, respectively. Thus, the YAP+ lineage was found in restricted populations among Asian populations, consistent with previous reports (Hammer and Horai 1995; Hammer et al. 1997; Shinka et al. 1999).

The ht4 haplotype (defined only by M9-G) was widely distributed among north, east, and southeast Asian populations, except for the Ainu. This haplotype was frequent (60.5%) in overall Asian populations (Table 1). Among them, the Han Chinese and southeast Asian populations were characterized by high frequencies ranging from 81.0% to 96.0%. In contrast to ht4, ht5 (defined by M9-G/DYS257108-A) and ht6 (defined by M9-G/DYS257108-A/SRY10831-A) were small contributors to Asian populations. The highest frequency of ht5 was observed in Nivkhi (19.0%) and that of the ht6 in Thai-Khmers (10.8%). The ht5 haplotype is widely distributed among European, Asian, and Native American populations and is proposed to be one of the candidates for founder haplotypes in the Americas (Karafet et al. 1999). Furthermore, high frequencies of ht6 were observed in north Europe, central Asia, and India (Karafet et al. 1999). Thus, the presence of ht5 in Nivkhi may account for the founder effect of peopling of the Americas.

The ht7 haplotype (defined by RPS4Y-T) was also widely distributed throughout Asia with the exceptions of Malaysia and the Philippines, whereas this was absent in two non-Asian populations. The highest frequency of ht7 was found in Buryats (83.6%), followed by Nivkhi (38.1%). Thus, the geographic distribution of ht7 in Asia appears to contrast with that of ht4.

Only eight individuals (1.4%) in Asia belonged to ht8, which was the major haplotype in Jewish population (Table 1). The ht8 haplotype may not be useful for inferring population relatedness among Asian populations because it is defined by no mutations. Additional Y-polymorphic markers such as M89 and M168 (Underhill et al. 2000; Ke et al. 2001) will be needed to investigate details of the formation of modern Asian populations.
shaolin01
wow all this trivia becomes useless when the results is the same

good job

We have now uncovered a hidden secret that Japanese people are from Japan.

and they can be traced all the way to japan

i am utterly speechless OMG!!!
michinobu_zoned
QUOTE(shaolin01 @ Apr 23 2006, 11:18 PM) [snapback]1781894[/snapback]

wow all this trivia becomes useless when the results is the same

good job

We have now uncovered a hidden secret that Japanese people are from Japan.

and they can be traced all the way to japan

i am utterly speechless OMG!!!


Well, thanks, it's nice to see that my input is much appreciated. At least you see that Japan isn't apart of China and that they should bow before China and want to become apart of a nation that runs its people over with tanks. What don't you remember how they ran those poor kids over, all 800 of them, in Tiannamen square?
SantaKlaws
It's very much possible that the Japanese have a lot more genetic as well as cultural contributions from the Jomon. However, I think it's a bit too early to make any conclusions on such subject based on genetic anthropology, as it's still an immature science with much need for scrutiny. Regardless, Jomon culture also existed on the southern tip of the Korean peninsula, who were most likely the "Bear" tribe of the Dangun legend, a legend that upon analysis infers that sky worshipping people(ducks and ravens) "mixed" with indigenous populations, the worshipper of bears. Korean scholars however, have a strong consensus that the Jomon people on the Korean peninsula were exterminated by new Siberian immigrants.
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