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VOTAMVOTU
to those of you who appreciate and understand vietnamese music, do you think vietnamese lyric has more meaning than english??? example "long me bao la nhu bien thai binh" and do you feel that when youre sad vietnamese music tend to hit you harder???
NTV
absolutely
StephenDedalusFromAsia
I doubt you'll heard so much American/British music to make that claim that Viet songs are more meaningful and emotionally powerful.

blacklight
QUOTE(VOTAMVOTU @ Apr 6 2006, 02:33 PM) *

to those of you who appreciate and understand vietnamese music, do you think vietnamese lyric has more meaning than english??? example "long me bao la nhu bien thai binh" and do you feel that when youre sad vietnamese music tend to hit you harder???

I like the Vietnamese New Wave music.

As for American music, I like folk, country, rock as I long as it tries to tell a story, soul, R&B, blues. However, I don't listen to the current American music any more - too much marketing crap, zero attempt to tell a story, and too much ripping off by the American record companies.

As for dancing, it's pretty much the tango and the flamenco and the Alvin Ailey Dance troupe for me.

If there are any Vietnamese ballads, I'd love to listen to me. I guess that many of Trinh Cong Son's songs could be called ballads.

There is a Vietnamese song called "Autumn Leaves". If anyone can tell me where I can either buy it or download it, I'll say "thank you".
NTV
QUOTE(StephenDedalusFromAsia @ Apr 6 2006, 06:24 PM) *

I doubt you'll heard so much American/British music to make that claim that Viet songs are more meaningful and emotionally powerful.


and I doubt if you're capable of understanding one whole Vietnamese song to even stick your nose in here.

Thằng khùng. Biết khỉ ǵ mà bày đặt xía mỏ vào đây b́nh phẩm tiếng Việt và âm nhạc Việt. Đồ điên!
VOTAMVOTU
ey stephen are you vietnamese or have a good understanding of viet language? if not shut the fu-k up. read the damn topic before you make bias selfish comment.
tutu2000
A few examples of meaningful lyrics:

"Cho tôi mười ngón thiên thần, cho tôi mười ngón thiên thần, để tôi d́u người tôi yêu, d́u người không yêu và người chưa yêu" (Phố đêm)

"Nhắm mắt chỉ thấy một chân trời tím ngắt" (Nửa hồn thương đau)
VOTAMVOTU
ever listen to the song "bang toi" very good song
StephenDedalusFromAsia
QUOTE(VOTAMVOTU @ Apr 7 2006, 01:32 PM) *

ey stephen are you vietnamese or have a good understanding of viet language? if not shut the fu-k up. read the damn topic before you make bias selfish comment.


Yes I do. Most Viet songs are emotional in that obvious soap operay bleeding heart one-dimensional type of way.

Like the Asian art scene as a whole, they are afraid to be original, creative, subtle, symbolic like the West.

I've heard a Viet cover of John Lennon's Imagine once. When you listen to the lyrics, you can't take it for face value. They represent something else. Viet and Asian songs mean exactly what they say.
azn_pride
English cannot match vietnamese lyrics.cos we got the luv.our song we had the hole pages of lyrics and the englisf one is like 4 or 5 lines and repeat like a miilion times biggthumpup.gif
NTV
QUOTE(tutu2000 @ Apr 9 2006, 12:33 PM) *

A few examples of meaningful lyrics:

"Cho tôi mười ngón thiên thần, cho tôi mười ngón thiên thần, để tôi d́u người tôi yêu, d́u người không yêu và người chưa yêu" (Phố đêm)

"Nhắm mắt chỉ thấy một chân trời tím ngắt" (Nửa hồn thương đau)


i'd like to get into the minds of these song writers.
driftwood
QUOTE(StephenDedalusFromAsia @ Apr 9 2006, 06:00 PM) *

Yes I do. Most Viet songs are emotional in that obvious soap operay bleeding heart one-dimensional type of way.

Like the Asian art scene as a whole, they are afraid to be original, creative, subtle, symbolic like the West.

I've heard a Viet cover of John Lennon's Imagine once. When you listen to the lyrics, you can't take it for face value. They represent something else. Viet and Asian songs mean exactly what they say.




Dear StephenDedalusFromAsia,

I wonder when you reply "Yes I do" are you answering that you "do" understand understand the Vietnamese language? Even if you think you understand the Vietnamese language, it is obvious that you have no grasp on the Vietnamese culture and experience.

If you were the music scholar that you pretend to be, you'd realized that the music of any society is a direct reflection of what that soceity has experienced, is experiencing. Vietnam has never had the luxury of knowing peace for any appreciable duration of time. For most of its history, Vietnam had steeped in war, and the death and destruction that is the defacto result of war.

In such times, no society has the luxury to be abstract, to be anything other addressing their country's cries of suffering through their art, be it musical or otherwise.

It may be that VOTAMVOTU have not heard enough western songs, but isn't that presumptous of you? Sure, you mentioned John Lennon, someone who is recognized the world over for his profound lyrics...but when did he start writing such profound and abstract music?

You profess that Vietnamese, and Asian, music is "soap operay", and not "original, creative, subtle, symbolic like the West". I commend you for your wealth of wisdom and depth, and I would encourage all listeners and admirers of Asian, and especially Vietnamese music to burn all their music collections and mortage their homes to erect shrines worshiping the "original, creative, subtle, symbolic" music minds of " the West", like Brittney Spears, Lil Kim, Pink, 50 Cent, Eminem, Ricky Martin, LL Cool J, Busta Rhymes, Mobly, and the great Ashlee Simpson!

Thank you, thank you for enlightening us to the original, creative, subtle and symbolic creations of the West, but I think it's way beyond my comprehension, so I'll just stay with the unoriginal, uncreative, nonsubtle, nonsymbolic music of the East!
Zeretual
The way i see it is that western music is more catchy but the lyrics are no where compared to vietnamese music. When i listen to che linh or tuan vu alot of poeple say that music makes you sleepy cause it is slow but to me i listen to the lyrics. Songs from like 50 cent like the candy shop song is retarded but it gets stuck in your head very easily.
Tav6
don't mind StephenDedalusFromAsia he doesn't even understand viet and he can't read or write viet but he always act as if though he is an expert on viet and vietnam Talktohand.gif
StephenDedalusFromAsia
^^^

I can speak and understand Vietnamese.

QUOTE(driftwood @ Apr 10 2006, 11:05 AM) *

Dear StephenDedalusFromAsia,

I wonder when you reply "Yes I do" are you answering that you "do" understand understand the Vietnamese language? Even if you think you understand the Vietnamese language, it is obvious that you have no grasp on the Vietnamese culture and experience.

If you were the music scholar that you pretend to be, you'd realized that the music of any society is a direct reflection of what that soceity has experienced, is experiencing. Vietnam has never had the luxury of knowing peace for any appreciable duration of time. For most of its history, Vietnam had steeped in war, and the death and destruction that is the defacto result of war.

In such times, no society has the luxury to be abstract, to be anything other addressing their country's cries of suffering through their art, be it musical or otherwise.

It may be that VOTAMVOTU have not heard enough western songs, but isn't that presumptous of you? Sure, you mentioned John Lennon, someone who is recognized the world over for his profound lyrics...but when did he start writing such profound and abstract music?

You profess that Vietnamese, and Asian, music is "soap operay", and not "original, creative, subtle, symbolic like the West". I commend you for your wealth of wisdom and depth, and I would encourage all listeners and admirers of Asian, and especially Vietnamese music to burn all their music collections and mortage their homes to erect shrines worshiping the "original, creative, subtle, symbolic" music minds of " the West", like Brittney Spears, Lil Kim, Pink, 50 Cent, Eminem, Ricky Martin, LL Cool J, Busta Rhymes, Mobly, and the great Ashlee Simpson!

Thank you, thank you for enlightening us to the original, creative, subtle and symbolic creations of the West, but I think it's way beyond my comprehension, so I'll just stay with the unoriginal, uncreative, nonsubtle, nonsymbolic music of the East!



Britney, Lil Kim, Pink, 50 cent is pop music. Using them as the totality of American music is like saying Viet cuisine is just pho.

But you do agree that Western musicians can be more absract and original.
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