http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,25...2120520,00.html



Quite frankly, I think Kirsan should not limit his invitations to only nomads. Kalmykia needs people (perhaps Southern Mongolians) who can start small businesses without assistance from the government.




The proposed resettlement will probably take up a large chunk of the government budget. And the poor will receive even less than they do now. But the Oirats/Kalmyks will be one. The advantages simply cannot be quantified.

Kirsan should not mess/ deal with china at all, china is too dangerious for smaller nation. Now Kalmyks are Kalmyks only, thanks to their own flight to West.
Mongolia should keep close relationship because we are all Mongolian-speaking peoples, principally the Kalmyks/ Oirats, Khalkhas and Buriats, is evident from the well established fact that they all:
-belong to the same distinctive Mongol race;
-speak languages known by their close linguistic affinity;
-adhere to Tibetan Buddhism in old time
-maintain similar customs and traditions, despite centuries of internecine warfare and extensive and far-reaching migrations

Just like Tatar, Kazakh or Uzbeks, originally from Mongol empire.

I am not sure about Kirsan's idea of organizing another migration from Zuungar/ Jungar in Xinjiang. If he really invites he should do really good background check of those people.

i think, autor of this thread misunderstood completly idea of Kirsan. he dont want "reunification", he want new kalmyk ethnic people and blood into kalmikian republic. because this ethnic in RF became more and more russian and mr. Kirsan have phobia that this ethnic do loose his ethnical indepence and became buddhistic russians.(defacto is this guy rich shauvenist, who needs poor illigal people for his business. (like USA firms use mexican immigrants in their productions)

to late for this phobia, they are mostly mixed with russians and kaucasian people (ca 70% of this ethnic in RF have mixed families).

Russian Federation have nothing against, because they have now demografic problems and need immigrants in their territories.

but a problem is that China do press this ethnic completly out from China. If all kalmyks do go away from China into RF. then China can tell all, that they have not ethnic Kalmyk anymore. (defacto we have new free teriotries for new chinese han-squatter and chinese land-speculators). Mongolian ethnic in inner-mongolia get more under pressure of chinese Han.

now back to Kalmykia:
Kalmykia have now many ecological problems with dessert grow in his teritorry and legal immigrants from tchechenia after zivil war in South.

therefore i think that new immigrants do migrate not into Kalmykia, but into better development parts of RF(russianfederation). This problem, what a Mr.Kirsan wants solve, cann't ban with his immigration-ideas in Kalmykia self. Kalmyks are now more russian Buddhists or Kosaks as mongolian Ethnic. (bitter development of last century.)

But chinese Kalmyks have get new chance for get a better future as in China.



is lied. most of this people have huge problems whit russian language and different lifestyle between China and RF. some of this ca. 50 Famillies are back into China, or do life now around Moscow. Some of them, wich have money do flee into Canada and EU.

btw. they are 100% illigal in RF and Russian Federation dont see them as ethnic Kalmyks. Therefore it is a big problem for this people to get good jobs and to find shool for their children.

i think mr. Kirsan do play very dangerous game with his people and new immigrants from China. if kalmyks became nationalistic then we all became very dangerous situation between kalmykian people with different ancestors. it spillt only people in this land and RF-goverment get new chance to make this republic into oblast. kalmyks will loose their autonomic and RF new ethnic problem in south.

p.s: this topic is a same like: "Britans pacistanians begin to talk about reunification of them with USA-pacistanian immigrants. haha.. (nice topic not?)

Kamlyks


Dalai Lam in Kalmykia

http://www.bumbinorn.ru/

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I fully understand Kirsan’s intentions. The people of Kalmykia no longer want to perform manual labor in the agricultural fields. Yet this task must be accomplished for the people to eat. Rather than import manual labor from the neighboring Muslim Central Asian countries, Kalmykia is making this opportunity available to the Oirats from China.

The Chinese will eventually absorb the Oirats, like they absorbed the Manchu and some Southern Mongolian tribes, becoming the majority in the process. Given the relatively small number and obscurity of Oirats, time favors the Chinese. To that end, China has nothing to offer the Oirats.

Kalmykia, by contrast, offers the Oirats an opportunity to become part of the majority. As part of the majority, the Oirats’ cultural, religious and linguistic interests will be aligned with the Kalmyks and promoted and protected by the Kalmyk government. And like many Kalmyks, the Oirats could eventually pursue educational and economic opportunities outside of Kalmykia, in the Russian Federation or in Europe or in the United States. If the Jewish people can get together, revive the Hebrew language and other cultural and religious institutions, I don't see why the Kalmyks/Oirats do the same, but as subjects of the Russian Federation.

As for racial admixture, based on my observations, the Kalmyks are no less Asiatic in appearance than their Mongolian and Buryat brothers. I’ve been to Elista. Most of the children I saw were pure blooded Mongols. I was suprised to see a large variety of complexions, from pale to dark.

hehe..

you talk about like about "ethnical" or demografical war.



very good argument, but you must understand that a real sozial, political and economical integration of so many people from very different country with other customs is very costly and Kalmykia goverment have not so many money at moment.

another question is;

how want you find out that this people are Kalmyk and not simple chinese immigrants, wich want use this "hole in the border" for their way from china to make more money?
i dont think that this people group want to be stay in Kalmykia, or want to learn about kalmykian customs and their lifestyle, or?

(expl: see on many ukraian and russian "jews" with russian orthodox relligion, wich do life now in USA, Israel, EU and Canada as russian and ukraian groups. btw. it was demographical dead of many jewish communities in this countries)





"mongolian face" is a big part of south and middle russian peoples. (look on last foto (link under is hight resolution))

ethnic is more as only "look".

I was self in Kalmykia last year. you can see many mongoloide faces around, but it is not only in kalmykia so. if you go into other cities in south russia and tatarstan you can find many mongoloide faces. if you do question them, then answer is: he is russian, or mainority, or mixed child. (belive me or not; noone familly in forumer soviet countries is pure)

another fact is: russian people (i mean most ethnics) do life very open as in China or USA. they have very open comunities and ethnical identities.

for expl: i have see many russian and others in Inguschia, wich did dancing inguschian dances and spock funy language (russian-ingusch-mixed-slang) a same in Kalmykia. If you go into North-Russian-federation you can hear many "Suomi(finish)-like" russian slang.



well,

another question is:

why must european kalmyks, wich are integrated and do life in this country, adopt chinese customs and their identities? must it not go into "Oirats became european kalmyks" way?

one question more is:

Kalmykia is very mulitethnical and multicultural. what do say other ethnics and mixed people about? ("we want more our ethnic people here?")

i can understand that some Kalmyk have worry that his children became other ethnics or that their identities do change.

but, is it not a normal part of life? (i mean: change with a time and without a pressure from side of majority. none can stop time.)

therefore i see this way as very dangerous for Kalmyks, other ethnics and social and political developmend in this country. new "blood question" in this part of the world is very explosive for mongolian, and other middle asian "races" there. (belive or not but if russian federation get rasistic problems in this land then, i can say you that many rasists became new mogolian(state mongolia), USA, Canada or European citizens like tchechenians now.)

(btw. from strategical point it is perhaps good to cut tchechenia and other oil-parts from russian federation. but it is really that, what this people do want? or is it a wish of some "superpowers" to get kaucasian countries under their politican influences?)

(SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH!)

Kalmyks should go a head Westward. No turning back. Asia smells, maybe Asia/China developing so fast, but it is still asia with backward mentality. You can read their (chinese) way of thinking, their dangerious minds in AF chinese forum. Even those who are in the West, supposedly more intelligent people thinking about Sinication of world, military, nukes and so on. unbelievable to read

not all people see a reality behid populistic "great ideas".

i think europeans have paid very hight prise for it. (Kaucasian wars and armenian genozide, WW1,WW2, Balcan Wars and ethnical conflicts in east europe and kaucasus, nationalistic(Spain, Ireland) and religious terrorism)

and many of them will pay it in the future. (growing nationalism in Poland, baltic states, Ukraina, Moldavia, Kaucasian Countries. Conflicts between muslims and christians, Turkey and Kurd hate)



now i became depresive..

i go drinking something..

good night and good luck!