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Anda


They are originally from Torguuds of Dorvon Oirad Khaant Uls (Zuungar, Jungar) They are Mongols, but now they are European-Kalmyks.
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They were Torguuds, one of 4 Oirad Clan Western Mongolians
They did not get along among their own brothers themselves.
They fought against their brothers (Oirad vs Khalkh Mongol)



And They lost their own land Zuungar (Jungar) to occupants- Manchus
They were shield of Russia against their long isolated brothers Crimean Tatars
They were swords of Russian Tsar for russian conquest of Caucasia
They fought for Russia and reached to Paris
Later some of them joined Russia and also Russia's enemy and lost and exiled

1990-ies they become Republic and In 1993 the first presidential elections in the Republic of Kalmykia were won by Kirsan Ilyumzhinov. The program of the Republic's President K. Ilyumzhinov focused on the improvement of the social and economic situation, life standards in the republic, revival of Kalmyk language.





Although there are lots of difficulties, they made good choice



danoc
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmykia

Early Modern History

What sets Kalmykia apart from its neighbors is the fact that it is the only Buddhist territory in Europe. Russians adopted the name Kalmyk from the Tatars in the 16th century. The Russians later learned about the name Oirat, which had come from the Mongols. There is a very common misunderstanding that the Kalmyks are "western Mongols". This is analogous to calling the English Germans just because both languages (English and German) belong to the Germanic language group. Kalmyks, in fact, are not Mongols. The two cultures have their own histories. At one time, the Kalmyks controlled a vast area known as Grand Tartary or the Kalmyk Empire to Westerners, which stretched from the Great Wall of China to the River Don, and from the Himalayas to Siberia.

The European steppes have always been much more productive than the Asian steppes as a result of greater moisture from the Atlantic. This is why all powerful nomads from Central Asia were always trying to conquer European plains: Hungarians (Kalmyks call them Uugr) in the 8th century, Tatars (Kalmyks call them Mangyd) in the 13th century, and Kalmyks (Kalmyks call themself Dörvn Öörd—The Allied Four) in the 17th century—all of them were driven to Europe because of its rich pastureland.

So, the Torghuud chief Khoo Örlög decided to move westward at the beginning of 17th century. This was not because of a mythical internal struggle created by the Khoshuud tribe. Khoo Örlög was not a refugee, but rather sought greener pastures to the West. Initially, he led the Torghuuds and part of another tribe, the Dörvuuds. The Khoshuuds and Ölööds joined them almost a century later. The Kalmyks reached as far as the steppes of southeast Europe in 1630. That land, however, was not empty. It was homeland of the very powerful Nogay Hordes. Under pressure of Kalmyk warriors, the Nogays fled to the Crimea and the Kuban river. Subsequently, all other nomadic groups in the European steppes became vassals of Kalmyk Khan.

The Kalmyks settled not only around Astrakhan on the Volga delta, territories recently annexed by the Russian Czars, but also occupied territories spreading from the Ural to Terek rivers. They still kept a close bond with the Kalmyks remaining in their Central Asian homeland. Allied with Russia (Czar Alexey I allowed them to settle in his realm in exchange for Kalmyk pledge to defend Russian border), the Torghuud flourished there during the reign of Ayuki Khan, who was given the title of Khan by the 6th Dalai Lama.

Imposition of Russian Rule
In the late 18th century, they were disillusioned with increasing Russian interference. In 1763, Catherine the Great invited almost 30,000 Germans to settle in the Volga region, north of the Kalmyks. She offered them the fertile land to farm so securing it against the “Tartars.” The Kalmyks enjoyed a high degree of autonomy in Russia until 1771, when Catherine the Great abolished their self-government. She tried to make them accept Christianity and agriculture. The Kalmyk Khan and Ayuki's great-grandson Ubashi decided to return to Dzungaria. Under Khan's order about 200,000 Kalmyks started their unprecedented march to Central Asia. After almost seven months Kalmyks reached Manchu Empire's western outposts Xinjiang near the Balkhash Lake. Those who remained in Russian territory were accepted by the authorities, especially since they provided excellent soldiers for the Imperial Russian Army. A Kalmyk regiment served during the Napoleonic Wars (1812 - 1815)and the war with Ottoman Empire, and over the next century, Kalmyk soldiers were prominent in divisions throughout the Czarist Army. The remaining Kalmyk gradually created fixed settlements with houses and temples, instead of their transportable round felt yurts. This process lasted until well after the Russian Revolution.

The Volga Germans developed friendly relations with the Kalmyks. In 1804, Benjamin Bergmann published a four volume work on their language and religion, entitled Nomadische Streifereien unter der Kalmüken in den Jahre 1802 und 1804 (Nomadic Migrations among the Kalmyks in the Year 1802 and 1804). In 1865, Elista, the future capital of Kalmykia was built.
Russian Revolution and Collectivisation
After the Communist October Revolution in 1917, many Kalmyks joined the White Russian army during the Russian Civil War, especially under Generals Wrangel and Denikin. Before the Red Army broke through to the Crimean Peninsula towards the end of 1920, about 20 Kalmyk families fled with Wrangel to Warsaw, Poland and Prague, Czechoslovakia. A much larger group went with Denikin, most of them settling in Belgrade, Serbia with smaller numbers in Sofia, Bulgaria and Paris and Lyon, France. The Kalmyk refugees in Belgrade built a Buddhist temple there in 1929. The Soviet authorities severely punished the Kalmyks who remained, beheading 10,000.

On November 4, 1920 Kalmyk Autonomous Oblast was created. The Bolshevik regime executed about 10,000 Kalmyks at this time. In 1931, Stalin ordered the collectivization, closed the Buddhist monasteries, and burned the Kalmyks' religious texts. He deported all monks and all herdsmen owning more than 500 sheep to Siberia. The forced collectivization was unsuited to the Kalmyk temperament and the dry, treeless landscape and was a social, economic and cultural disaster. About 60,000 Kalmyks died during the great famine of 1932 to 1933. On October 22, 1935 the region was elevated to republic status Kalmyk Autonomous Republic within the RSFSR.

Second World War
Following the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union in September 1941, Goebbels invited several prominent Kalmyks from Belgrade, Paris, and Prague to Berlin. He wanted them to help with a propaganda campaign. The Nazis wished to win the Kalmyks to the German side against the Russians. No Kalmyks were sent to concentration camps. Goebbels turned this nucleus into a committee to free the Kalmyks from the Communist regime helping them print a Kalmyk language newspaper and broadcast radio news in Kalmyk directly toward Kalmykia.

When the Nazi 16th Motorized Infantry Division under Field Marshal Manstein took Kalmykia early in 1942, three members of this committee were with them. Some of the Belgrade Kalmyks also participated in this invasion. They had joined the German army after the Nazi occupation of Yugoslavia in April 1941. The German army was greeted with butter and milk, the traditional Kalmykian offering to welcome guests. They were seen as liberators from Stalin’s oppressive rule. The Germans offered to dismantle the collectives and divide and privatize the land. They allowed the Kalmyks to practice Buddhism again. In response, the Kalmyks dug up the religious texts they had buried for safekeeping and built a makeshift temporary temple. In November and December 1942, however, the Red Army retook Kalmykia and destroyed everything the people had rebuilt. In 1943 was put directly under control of the central government followed by the deportation of the whole Kalmyk nation without notice to Siberia in cattle trucks in midwinter. Half of their number perished during the journey and in the following years of exile, effectively an ethnic cleansing.

Meanwhile about 5,000 men accepted an offer to join the Nazi military, forming the Kalmykian Voluntary Cavalry Corps. Only a few woman and children accompanied them. The Kalmyk troops fought with the Nazi army behind the lines, especially around the Azov Sea.

Post War Kalmykia
Due to their widespread dispersal in Siberia their language and culture suffered possibly irreversible decline. Khrushchev finally allowed their return in 1957, when they found their homes, jobs and land occupied by imported Russians and Ukrainians, who remained. On January 9, 1957, Kalmykia again became an autonomous oblast, and on July 29, 1958—an autonomous republic within RSFSR.

In the following years bad planning of agricultural and irrigation projects resulted in widespead desertification, and economically unviable industrial plants were constructed. With the collapse of the Soviet regime the economy also disintegrated, causing widespread social hardship and increasing depopulation of rural areas lacking in resources and facilities.

After dissolution of the USSR, Kalmykia kept the status of an autonomous republic within the newly formed Russian Federation (March 31, 1992).
Buzava
The four traditional Oirat tribes plus the Khoit and the Buzava comprise the Kalmyk people. The Kalmyk man on two horses is Buzava.
Anda
Tatar and Kalmyk



Interesting how the people changes over hundreds of years
lovelytruth
what can i say
danoc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmyk

very nice information about kalmyk ethnic
Anda
A book about Manchu Qing Ulus's expansion to West, destruction of Oirad Mongol (Jungar Empire)
Sad story how the Conquest took Mongols to destroy Mongols

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MING-LOYALIST
^Translation plz.

Also Mongols and especially the Kerqin(Horchin?) Mongols were very important in the Qing military.
lovelytruth
Damm Manju
ANAND
Dalai Lama may visit Moscow this July - Ilyumzhinov
Interfax-Religion, Russia
24 April 2006

Moscow, - The Dalai Lama may take part in the world religious summit in
Moscow, Kalmykia President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov told a Monday press conference
at Interfax's main office.

"Moscow will host a world summit of religious leaders on July 4. As far as I
know, the organizers want to invite His Holiness the Dalai Lama," he said.

Asked whether China may object to the Moscow visit of Dalai Lama,
Ilyumzhinov said, "This is not a question to ask me."

Kalmykia was expecting Dalai Lama to attend the opening of a Buddhist temple
with an eleven-meter-tall statue of Buddha late last December, but the visit
was canceled for a number of reasons.

The Dalai Lama last visited Russia on November 29-December 1, 2004. He
visited Elista, the capital of Kalmykia, to bless the future temple's
construction site. The Dalai Lama did not have any official meetings, and
his visit was purely pastoral.

Prior to that, the Dalai Lama paid an unofficial visit to Russia in 1992. He
visited Buryatia and led a service at the Ivolgina datsan.
MING-LOYALIST
QUOTE(lovelytruth @ Apr 23 2006, 09:24 AM) [snapback]1779674[/snapback]

Damm Manju


You gotta love Fu manchu

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danoc
QUOTE(MING-LOYALIST @ Apr 26 2006, 01:33 AM) [snapback]1789771[/snapback]

You gotta love Fu manchu

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it were very popular fantasy films in 60-70'en
Anda
Who Are You, Friend Of Steppes, Kalmyk?

(Ethnic And Cultural Identity Of The Kalmyks)

Dr Liubov Chetyrova

Oh, West is West, East is East, and never the twain shall meet,
Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God′s great Judgment Seat;
But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
When two strong men stand face to face, though they come from the ends of
the earth!

(Rudyard Kipling. The Ballad of East and West)

Introduction

"The Kalmyks are the youngest of the European nations" - joked the Secretary of the Communist party in Kalmykia the General Basang Gorodovokov. The joke has a piece of the truth. It does not means that the Republic of Kalmykia is in the territory of Europe. The Kalmyk`s culture is a nomadic culture and was transformed by Russian culture. In this case we have a question on a belonging of Russia to Europe. I would not like to discuss now it, because this question is a difficult and debatable problem. I would like to analyze the question on the cultural and ethnic identity of the Kalmyks, a small ethnic group living in Russia. When the Kalmyks try to define their identity in the context of Russian culture they quote Alexander Pushkin’s words on the pedestal of his monument in Moscow - the friend of steppes, Kalmyk.

The Kalmyks came to Russia twice. At first the west Mongolian nation, the Oyrats from whence there were Kalmyks, came with Chengiz khan. The influence of culture on another culture is estimated differently and is dependent on the point of view. The influence of the Mongols on Russian culture is estimated in Russian historiography negatively. Eurasian theory estimates the influence of the Mongols on the culture of Russia positively opposite to official Russian historiography. One of my colleagues in St.-Petersburg has joked Chengiz khan was the first Russian Emperor, he ruled an Empire whose boundaries were from Japan up to Hungary.

My purpose is to consider the problem of Kalmyk identity in a context of a problem of East and West. The life of the Kalmyk people has developed on a boundary of two cultures - Russian and Kalmyk, which existed in the context of the Soviet, and nowadays – the Russian culture. Kalmykia is a place, where East and West stand face to face.

for more click

http://www.crvp.org/seminar/05-seminar/Liu...20Chetyrova.htm.
Titanium
QUOTE(lovelytruth @ Apr 23 2006, 09:24 AM) [snapback]1779674[/snapback]

Damm Manju

The Manchus simply destroyed a potential imperial power on the rise. The Zunghar state under Galdan Tseren had imperial intentions into China. The Qing state under emperors like Kangxi, Yongzheng, and Qianlong knew about this existing threat and took initial measures to destroy that state. It was logical and justifiable as throughout Chinese history, nomads have always threatened China Proper and at the same time acted as middlemen in trade on the Silk Road, therefore The Qing state wanted to control Central Asia for both political and economic reasons.
Buzava
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"The Kalmyks are the youngest of the European nations" - joked the Secretary of the Communist party in Kalmykia the General Basang Gorodovokov.


General Gorodovokov is a modern-day Prince Amursana - a traitor to his people.
FIVB
Regardless of history dispute between China nad Mongolia,


There is 1 TV drama talking this history in China.


http://bbs.mgqing.com/Post/Topic.aspx?TID=2495
Erdene
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