Although most people probably think of Mongolia as being inhabited by a single ethnic group - the Mongols - this is wrong. There are actually quite a few. As I note on the background page, there are over 20 different groups of Mongols. Nineteen of these, and one non-Mongol group (the Kazakhs) live in Mongolia itself (according to Rinchen's 1979 atlas.) While peaceful, these ethnic differences sometimes matter in Mongolia when it comes to politics. I'll discuss that at some point in the hopefully not-too-distant future.

Somewhat oddly, the 2000 census doesn't list give a full list of the different ethnic groups in Mongolia. Or at least the principal collection of statistics doesn't. It's possible one of the ancillary publications does, but I don't have access to them at the moment. So here is the information as provided in the main results of the 2000 census (pp. 50-51 in the Mongolian version.)

Scroll down past the table of populations to see the full listing of ethnic groups as given in B. Rinchen's 1979 Ethnographic and linguistic atlas of the Mongolian People's Republic, map 23. Click here (or to the left) to see a map of the locations of the different ethnic groups.

It's also worth noting that there was a reported drop of almost 20,000 in the Kazakh population between 1989 and 2000. In the early 1990s, a large number of Kazakhs took advantage of new-found freedoms to try life in Kazakhstan. There was also a reported drop of over 48,000 foreigners. This would have been the thousands of Soviet and Eastern European citizens who had been living and working in Mongolia, and returned to their homelands with the collapse of the socialist bloc.

Ethnic group Population,
thousands Percentage of
total population
Mongolian citizens (all) 2365.4 99.7
Halh (Халх) 1934.7 81.5
Kazakh (Казах / Хасаг) 103.0 4.3
Dörvöd (Дєрвєд) 66.7 2.8
Bayaad (Баяд) 50.8 2.1
Buriad (Буриад) 40.6 1.7
Dariganga (Дариганга) 31.9 1.3
Zahchin (Захчин) 29.8 1.3
Urianhai (Урианхай) 25.2 1.1
Others 82.6 3.5
Foreigners 8.1 0.3
Total 2373.5 100.0


The full list

These are given in no particular order, except as given by Rinchen.


Halh (Халх)
Hotgoid (Хотгойд)
Darhad (Дархад)
Eljgin (Элжгин)
Sartuul (Сартуул)
Dariganga (Дариганга)
Üzemchin (Vзэмчин)
Kazakh (Казах / Хасаг)
Urianhai - Altai (Урианхай - Алтайн)
Hoton (Хотон)
Buriad (Буриад)
Barga (Барга)
Dörvöd (Дєрвєд)
Zahchin (Захчин)
Torguud (Торгууд)
Bayaad (Баяд)
Hoshuud (Хошууд)
Myangad (Мянгад)
Ööld (Єєлд)
Urianhai - Tsaatan (Урианхай - Цатаан)

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WOW! i didnt know that Mongolian republic have so many ethnics.

We all are Mongolians and we live peacefullu altogether .

My grandma is a Sartuul and my grandpa is Bayad. The other grandma and granspa are Khalkha. And I am a Mongolian girl here

nice to meet you.



Long live Mogolian Republic!

Tsahar ene ter geed l Hoton bol Tureg garaltai barag uzbek shahuu nohduud dee gej

nosirholtoi

lol there's a town called moron in mongolia

Mörön you dumb $hit.

don't get so offended you Mörön

i was just pointing something out i thought seemed funny

Hubsgul Mörön

any pics of mongolia's sartuul ppl? there's a small Mongolian-speaking group named officially dongxiang in China, they call themself sart who has a same ethnic origin with Mongol's sartuul. The original sartuuls should be a group of central and/or western asian muslims with different ethnic backgroups.

few pics of dongxiang, although they get a typical eastern asian lookings, notice their nose, higher and thiner than common asians, may suggest their central or western ethnic origins.

http://www.sj00.com/article/UploadPic/2006...93025238563.jpg
http://i0.sinaimg.cn/dy/c/2008-03-27/U2342...80327112128.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/2008/up/12/2007/...70604135358.jpg
http://club.xiaonei.com/upfiles/20070706/c...01183687172.jpg

I beleive sartuul were mentioned on the map above.

Sure, Sartuul (Сартуул) was listed above, but sartuul was ever one of Halha tumen's northern seven clans, so it's should be Halha surtuul, like Halha Jalair.

7 clans of Ar Halha: 1) Uusin and Jalair; 2) Besud and Eljigen; 3) Gorlas and Kirghyz; 4) Horogo, Buriy-e and Cohogur; 5) Khereid and Hatagin; 6) Tangud and Sartuul; 7) Urianghai

I noticed tangud and sartuul were listed in a same clan, I guess the original clans of those people should be migrated from today's western Inner Mongolia and its neighborhood where belonged to the former Tangud empire. The battle between Ming Chinese and Mongolians may lead the immigrants to the north.

Naturally. Welcome to the forum. What ethnicity are you exactly?

thanks, I'm Kharchin Mongol.

Nice, welcome to the forum, our reich in mongol chat can always use more people.

so do you live in kharachin (kalaqinqi?) in inner mglia? thats where my place of ancestry

sure, Kharchin middle banner. nice to meet you too, how many Harchin or Horchin among Halha Mongols?

Welcome to the forum both of you.

mine is kharchin right banner

I ever met a guy who claimed to descended from Kharchin and was born in ULaan Baatar on another history forum before, he may visit here someday

interesting.....i just saw you on konglong, are you a human genetcist or what? you are so professional

no, fans only

Hi all, I am a Mughal and my wife is Khalkha Mongol. I just went to MOngolia to visit my in -laws home. The Mongolians are a very nice and hospitable people. I admire them.

But why do the Mongol hate the Kazakh? I mean, both of you people are Altaic, and your way of life is not quite dissimilar at all. As a person who love and respect each and every human, I cannot understand this. Kazakh, Mongol, Kyrghiz are all Steppe people who should love one another and cooperate.

Humanity is but one family.

First word; ISLAM
Second word; TEMUDJIN
Third word; SOVIET

Do research, you'll find out soon enough.

Hello Mr Subu'atai, how's life?



I have already eliminated the first threat as I am a freethinker myself though being borned a Muslim. I want my child to be a true Mongolian, love all human regardless of race and colour. So, the first is gone.

Second one, I thought that Great Temudjin united all the Steppe people and integrated into the Mongol Empire, am I right? I mean, they were Turkic and Mongol tribes that served under him.

The third one, I am quite powerless. Russian was acting as thorn among the roses by inciting hatred between the Steppe people? I thought that the hatred was before emergence of any Russian threat.

By the way, thank you for your suggestion.

Humanity is but one family.

Busy as usual
I'll elaborate further:

1) I'm sure you already understand this.

2) Chingghis Khaan is a powerful figure, who united the steppe sure -> but now as the steppes are divided, Chingghis Khaan himself has become the subject of an endless "tug of war". Kazakhs want to claim him, while Mongols say "f--k off".

3) Kazakhstan was under Russian yoke who installed a racial complex that still survives to this day. Even after independence many still carry on this mentality. Many Mongolians find this rather pathetic and completely non-respectable behaviour. Kazakhs who live in Mongolia from what others tell me however - they are completely different.

Combine all three together -> the problem gets even worse, the last two combined is bad enough.

Hi naiz

Yes, religion is the source of disunity, rather than unity. I have no problem with Eastern Religion such as Buddhism or Hinduism which do not manipulate truth like Islam and Christianity. The last two religions advocate hell fire for non-believer, quite absurd. Buddha said: "Doubt everything, find your own light." I have my doubt with Islam and throw it away to the rubbish bin.

As for the Kazakh claiming Chinggis Khan to be one of them, that is the most ridiculous assertion. He was borned and raised in what is now present day Mongolia, speak Mongol and believe in Shamanism. Some idiots from the West claimed that Chinggis Khan was a caucassion rather than mongoloid, another ludicrous supremacist idealogy which has now been rejected per se.

Yes, the Russian being an imperialist do cultivate such mentality among the Kazakh in Kazakhstan. The mind of an imperialist is "end justify the means". However, I am still witnessing the trend of hatred between Kazakh and Mongol in Mongolia. When I ask my wife about whether she has friends among Kazakh, she said no and added that Mongol do not befriend Kazakh. I find this very disturbing indeed Mr Subu'atai. I tell her that our future child must love all human. Maybe as an outsider I do not really know the enmity between Kazakh Mongolian and Mongol.

By the way, Mr Subu'atai, thank you.

Anda...

1) My wife is Christian. She is a much more liberal sort however, nonetheless she has her faith in which I will respect, as much as she respects mine as a Tengriist. She already admits Christianity has its problems, the majority do not follow a spiritual path, but rather a religious one. They do not understand the message of love and peace present in the bible, instead they quote specific bible verses to justify their own desires.

The Earth revolves around the Sun, the Sun doesn't revolve around you. An old christian friend told me that once, and my wife too believes in it strongly. As for "Doubt everything, find your own light" - that is a good saying too. My wife questions everything, and believes it strengthens her faith - as for her, God answers. Other Christians consider questioning God "losing faith" and fear it. Her answer to them is: "If you really believe that, then your own faith is weak"

Islam has a lot of problems too but it is the same with Christianity - good and bad believers everywhere. And Hinduism/Buddhism itself has its own share of atrocities or discrimination to answer for. If people say "Buddhism caused no wars", haha, it justified the Dzungar genocide. But of course the world doesn't know.

2/3) It's nothing new, Europeans have always tried to hide their primitive and embarrassing past by stealing the achievements of others. They even try to claim that they are the descendants of the Persian ruling class (Formerly the pseudoscientific theory of Hitler's Aryan theory - renamed to present day "Indo-European" theory). Their inferiority complex was present since Rome, the whole "Civilised" vs "Barbarian" thing, then Christianity came about and they forcefully converted themselves to Christians which made them feel "Civilised" and proceeded to consider anyone who was an "Infidel" a "barbarian" and "lower race". Then after the reformation came the invention of "race".

This is the history of the European racial complex. Russia could have done a lot better, it had the potential to be a true Eurasian federation but instead they enforce the Euro racial complex strongly just like a loser kid trying to fit in to the 'cool' pureblooded-crowd of Europe. They neglect the fact that the first Cossacks were of Altaic lineage and furthermore they discriminate against non-European looking people even though they themselves already carry the blood from Altaic invaders of old. This is a shocking aspect of European culture and the reason why I choose to deny my own Russian blood from my grandmother.

To see Kazakhs being under the yoke of such a pathetic mentality has cost me the respect I once had for this people. And you know it really makes me sad. These Turks had a proud history, Kazakhs, many of whom are the descendants of the first son of Chingghis Khaan, Jochi. I respect those Kazakhs who are smart enough to study history, because frankly - they need to. The very roots of racialism; is found in history. They need to wake up from it!

As for Mongol attitutes against Kazakhs, some befriend Kazakhs, others despise them. 2.7 million Mongolians mean 2.7 million opinions. Many Mongolians are still very friendly and hospitable people who judge on one's merit, not birth or heritage. As for me: Kazakhs to me are like Japanese. I once also held a very high respect for Japanese, studied their history and during my youth wanted to become a ninja haha! Their dedication to perfection is present even in simply pouring tea to forging their own swords. But they too have been imposed by a racial complex I consider a mental virus, all since WWII.

Japan committed a lot of atrocities but no less then other hypocritical self-righteous nations, United States try to propagate that they are such a heavenly nation; SHAMELESSLY WIPING OUT THE NATIVES AND REMEMBERING IT IN A GLORIOUS VIEW. But past is past, and for what it's worth; Japan needs to have true independence from America. Japan needs to be free. Using the past (2 f--king generations already) to justify occupation is just not on.

Why do I hate racism so much? When you have a daughter who has been judged for her mixed heritage before she is even born you'll start to realise how fu-ked up racism really is. I consider it a mental virus spread from Europe since Roman occupation of the continent and it does society no good.

Hi Anda. Yes, if she can accept you even as Tengriist, she is a very open minded woman. Most Christians will only marry another Christians of the same denomination, similar with Muslim. When I found problem with Islam, I know that Christianity is a better religion. However, the message of peace and love are abundant merely in New Testament. On the contrary, in the Old Testament, I found many problems therein as there are a lot of hatred, massacre and killing committed by Jews against other nations. It could be a myth though.



Yes Anda, that's a good philosophy. Faith is mainly a matter of heart believing and hence, should be kept private. Some people may experience some meaningful event that strengthen their faith. Some people loss their faith due to perpetual meaningless event that occur in their life.



The problem with Islam is that the founder of the religion live a less saintly life of looting and murder then have dozens of sex partner. If compare with Jesus Christ or Buddha, the founder of Islam will definitely be in the last place. Most Muslims are exposed with the whitewashed version of Islam, knowing little about its founder and his controversial life. When I discover this fact, I feel no longer attached to this religion anymore.



The Hitler's Aryan theory has been generally debunked nowadays, it's an exploited concept that attempted to give spirit and encouragement to those Nazis during those days of WW2. Most European take pride in the Greek and Roman Civilizations that had produced many great thinkers, scientists and philosophers. Christianity had a negative impact that halted their progress and cause them to remain stagnant for more than 1500 years. The Roman Catholic Chruch with their Inquisition were famous in the Dark Age of Europe. Only after they manage to break away from this shackle of religion that we witness the age of Enlightenment. The pioneering of science and technology commenced. I agreed that their bad aspect is not to be emulated, but it's the Western Civilization that now we have to depend on for a comfort and modern life, without which, we will remain backward.

Yes, I heard about the bravery and manlihood of the Cossack, these people are from the Caucasus Mountain. My Ingush friend from Ingushetia once told me that the Cossacks are a good horse rider. I didnt know that they were originally Altaic. But the some Russian still remain discriminatory against Cossack. Maybe that's because of their Altaic heritage.



I heard that the Kazakh will be disowned by their family if they want to marry a Mongol. But still the intermarriages between these two Steppe people cannot be avoided and happen every now and then. That's a good sign I guess.



Yes Anda, racism is purely evil. However, I dont think that this vice originated solely from Europe. Human have the tendancy to act racist to anyone that is different from him with respect of skin colour, nationality or culture. History testified to this fact. It's like our innate behaviour even though that we know it's entirely wrong. It's not natural to be a racist but the environment and society prompt us to act like one.

Mix heritage is good. Scientific studies show that the intermarriages between people of different race will produce siblings with higher intelligence and IQ. People that marry their close relative tend to produce weaker gene. Dont worry Anda, your children will be lovely and clever. To hell with those racist people.

Ha!!!!
Dear Subotai. You deserve to be a Mongolian Historian in this forum. Where do you get those knowledges?

I think Aleksandr Dugin would probably agree with you. Besides that, I think the history of Russia is complicated. As the borderland of Europe, Russia stood between East and West, and absorbed aspects of both worlds. However, the rise of Europe in the 16th century compelled the Russians to side with their European, rather than Asian, neighbors. Peter the Great actively imitated the West and sought to build Russia in its image. Parts of Europe, however, never fully accepted Russia, and this we could see from Hitler's idea of the Slavs as inferior stock fit to be enslaved and/or displaced. Even today, a degree of tension exists between Russia and the West, and while much of it is a legacy of Communism, some of it also has to do with traditional conflicts.

I find it unfortunate that modern Russia has taken up elements of racial fascism, but I suppose this is a consequence of Russia's recent experiences, in which its own ideology was so thoroughly thrashed by America, leaving a vacuum. A sense of superiority-inferiority and insecurity seems to pervade contemporary Russian politics, and I've seen Russian nationalists both of the cultural nationalist ("Russians are unique in their values") and racial nationalist ("the white world must accept Russia, because Russia is white, and whites should be united") sort. Unfortunately, with Russia experiencing crisis on multiple fronts, there is the chance that people will turn to extremism.

@Kenmirzz

1) Yes the Old Testament has a lot of hatred, massacre, and killing justified as the "Will of God". However when you combine the whole bible, Jesus in the New Testament actually condemned the established religion based on the Old Testament. Thats why Christianity revolves around Christ.

I don't believe in concepts that Religion A is better then Religion B however, Islam may have its problems but it's down to individual believers whether they are good people or not. Besides Islam/Christianity believe in the same God, and both have their own prophets who lived unsaintly lives. A muslim friend once said to my wife that she wanted to convert, repent, surrender her life to Jesus blah blah.

Interestingly, my wife didn't go "YAY ANOTHER CONVERT!". Instead she said to her friend that she should forget religious rituals, as such matters are personal between her and Allah; God, and no one else. She respects all other faiths, a serious rarity amongst Christian communities.

So even though I despise Christianity in some ways; intolerance, cultural genocide, materialism, targetting the helpless, etc. I find it hard to truly hate it because ironically the most tolerant woman I've ever met, is my wife who is a Christian. Heh sometimes I still annoy her about the whole Churchie stuff, just to get a slap on my face! Heh f--king love it!

2) Haha, yes it is MOSTLY debunked, but it's not completely erased. Hitler's theory preached "Us Germans are superior", some other Europeans went "Hold on! Wait a minute, that's wrong, we are ALL superior", and renamed his theory "Indo-European" instead. They try to hide their views behind the "It's just a linguistic group" but currently the I.E. theory is being used by Neo-Nazi racialists and nationalists even today.

Western civilisation advanced during the Renaissance also due to the thief of ideas from Northern African, Middle-Eastern and Far-Eastern societies especially the latter two. I call it thief because they give no credit; only when they wish to be politically correct. Science in Europe was stagnant for a long time yes, the Church literally burnt alive anyone with new ideas or concepts.

Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if the Khanates imposed a trade embargo on the silk road against all of Europe. But I guess the Khans had no idea the Europeans would become such demons later on. Back in the day technological advancements were strongest in the Middle-East and Far-East, nowadays it's the complete opposite. It is f--king sad that the most technologically advanced in modern times today are continuing to preach race this race that. All I can say is that power has fallen to the wrong hands anda, but hey, what's f--king new eh?

3) Marriages between Mongol and Kazakh are not encouraged only mainly because of Islam. Just how it is, same here in Australia; try picking up a Lebanese girl, then watch as all her brothers and cousins come see you for a little "visit". Heh good times in the past.

Now, as for racism. I know that TRIBALISM did not originate solely from Europe. But race, and racism - IS a European concept and they have shamelessly used it to steal, genocide, assimilate, enslave, and discriminate. Similar to how the Catholic Church used religion to dehumanise the Middle-Eastern people and encourage expansion via the Crusades.
By the way, as much I am proud of having mixed ancestries, I do not support any superstition that mixed people have a higher intelligence or IQ just because of blood alone. Sure, I can look at my wife, who is ten times smarter then most people I know, but we both know it's due to her upbringing. Disgusting pieces of human trash threw race at her face and looked at her as some sort of fetish sex object all her life.

Just because we are mixed does not make us any more or less human then a pureblooded individual. There are also quite a lot of really stupid mixed people around. And no, I'm not going to support some pathetic "science" either so people would go "Ooooooo! mixed people have higher IQ? Ok I'm going to marry into another race just to pop out some smart babies."

That... is... pathetic...

Anyway, yes it is not fair to judge all Europeans based on their invention of race, as the MAJORITY of today's European citizens and individuals do not hold onto it like a religion. Two families in my neighbourhood are great people, and they were the first to hold my baby girl and NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT RACE. I appreciate that a lot with people nowadays. And guess what? They are ANGLOS! Yet they are great people as they are - not the mention the French, Swiss, German, Polish, Swedish, Hungarian people I have met from Europe itself who are 10x more mature and civilised then those with a racial mentality.

I value and appreciate human beings if they act human. I despise and would wipe them out if I had a chance if they don't. And as I mentioned before, their titles of either being a "human" or "human excrement" is earned by who they are as individuals. My father-in-law, who is Swedish-Australian, is he's probably one of the most understanding blokes you'll ever meet. My wife comes from two foreign "races" but mate, what can I say? She's the love of my life. And even I try to emulate her non-racism. However unlike her I tend to have a bad temper when dealing with racists.

It is very, f--king sad, to know racism originated from Europe anda. My daughter is already 3/8 "white", as much "white" as she is Mongol. I have a lot of hate, but there is a thin line between love and hate mate, and underneath this hate is just f--king sadness and pity. I would rather see everyone as human beings, but unfortunately f--king human trash make it so f--king difficult.

@ BurdenofAges

Dugin in my humble opinion is f--king off his face trying to change the past, but it'll never happen. Yes, there are many other Russians also who believe in Eurasia, acknowledging the true history of Russia and hoping to make a Eurasian federation, a very strong unifying force that can even spread to the rest of the world. But what does Europe consider such people? "Tatar-lovers". Since those fascist Russians would rather bend over and get their asses buttf-cked by Europe I will never support Russia. Nor will I ever support their epidemic spread of the mental virus from Europe known as racialism.

Yes I know of the trails Russians have had to face throughout most to their history, I know the Swedish too dug up skulls and considered the Russians "Mongoloid" "Inferior" "Demons" "Worthy to be enslaved/killed/genocided". But there is no f--king greater defeat for Russians then to become their own f--king enemies. Millions have f--king died in WW2 fighting against fascism, and now what? There is just no f--king excuse. Russian behaviour at the moment is that of a ten-year old trying to f--king fit in instead of being its own proud individual.

But this is global politics, individually, I have not met one bad Russian-Australian. My wife, even though Chinese-Swedish, has a first name with origins to Russia. You know sometimes I feel God (whatever God, or Karma or whatever), God is being a smartass. He just had to hook me up with a Chinese (ENEMY!), Swedish (ENEMY!) girl with a Russian (ENEMY!) name with a Christian (ENEMY!) religion. Yet I f--king love her so much, heh. The f--king irony. Meh.

Anda, I am interested in the above event. Genuinely speaking, your wife is a great woman, an honourable Christian, without doubt. Anda is fortunate to find her as your life partner. YES, I agreed 100%. Even after throwing Islam into the dustbin, I still keep my my belief in God/Allah/Burkaan/Tengriin or whatever name human wants to call. What she said is also directly penetrated my heart. Most Christians believed that Non Christians will end up in hell fire, same case with Islam. She is very rare among Christians. I guess that seeing you in trouble nowadays, she is your fervent supporter and endlessly pray for your safety and blessing everyday.



That's understandable. I have seen Anda's photo in the Steppe forum I think. Of course, I can feel that whoever messing around with Anda will regret. This is not a compliment, but Anda's feature revealed a hard and strict character who believe in personal freedom. That's just an opinion though.

Yes she is, even though I still have some problems telling her that. I don't know why, maybe pride, maybe ego, maybe male chauvanism, and maybe also the fact that I know she's a better person then I'll ever be. Heh still remember the first year we met and I was still with my ex at that time. We were "just friends", but yet became best friends, and my ex got so freakin' intimidated I had a catfight on my hands. If it wasn't for my ex I probably wouldn't have got involved with my wife down the track. Guess she still has her "evil" side too, in a way she did steal me from my ex after all! (though to this day she still denies it lol)

We ourselves however, broke up repeatedly over the course of four years because of race, religion, and my own childishness. I tore her apart each time yet she never ever once judged me based on race or religion. A woman like that, eventually I "converted" to her views. To this day, she's my anchor, cause otherwise I would be nothing but a boat sailing without direction at full wind. Just can't find the words to express that to her however.

She was very powerful amongst the Christian community for a time. She never leads by preaching, she leads by true example. People end up going up to her for spiritual guidance without her even needing to preach - including me. I've seen other Christians, Muslims, Atheists, Buddhists, as well as myself asking her "how in the hell do you find your strength to have such integrity?" Unfortunately she has given up a lot for us to be together, as she is now married to a "Pagan", and due to her open-mindedness her views does not win her much support amongst the Church anymore.

To be honest, it's kinda funny; as for a very devout and strong believer in Christ, she's still one hell of a rebel. Yet in Church, they preach W.W.J.D. (What would Jesus do?), Jesus himself was a complete rebel, he stood up fearlessly against the Pharisees and corruption of religion. In my eyes she is a true Christian, yet the majority of the Church, pffft! My wife however says, "they too are on their own spiritual journey". Heh, now I guess you can understand why I married her - you won't find a woman like that very often.



Anda, I'm really a nice bloke, truly. Don't judge me based on that old picture anyway (I'm surprised it's still up there, I have to take it off). I would rather have a good time with my mates drinking up and take the living piss outta myself then to go around the streets staring down c-nts for a brawl. Besides, c-nts who DO ask to be trampled had it coming to them one way or another - I'm just being nice to the rest of humanity, and I am the one coping the consequences with it.

Wonderful story!!!!!

Lying is understandable, but has it's limit!
Please stop lying!!!!!!

Anda is not lying. Are you jealous of him?

Mr Subu'atai, may Burkan/Tengriin always give you happy and prosperous family.

Mongol Warrior is a well-known troll in this forum, he's banned in Steppe History Forum as well. That's why I don't pay him any attention, no matter what size font he uses.