I totally agree with you on this... It's ignorance that get the better them.

Back to the original subject,

I think these oral history are not really straight forward but may give clues and help us hypothesize where our ancestors came from.

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What country did Hmong people come from?

Hmong people came from China around the Beijing area and were pushed south by the invading Chinese. The Hmong then established a kingdom some time afterwards in southern China. After many years the Chinese again caught up to the Hmong in their expansion. Again the Hmong lost and were pushed southward, although some Hmong people at the time fled to Japan. The Hmong kept going south until they reached the SE Asia countries and lived there. The Hmong only lived on the mountain tops though, because the lowlands, valleys, etc. were already occupied by the natives. One major country which many Hmong of today in the USA came from was Laos, and it was here that the French occupied and gave us our current alphabet that we use. Along came the Vietnam War and the USA got General Vang Pao to recruit us Hmong people to fight in the war. At the end the USA lost and had to abandon us like they said they wouldn't and eventually came to pick us up from SE Asia. In the time being when we were still left unattended to in SE Asia we were tormented and our villages raided by the Vietnamese because they hated our guts. And so now we are allover the world because we eventaully got help.

im getting tired and my grammar is starting to stink... so im going to bed.. hope that helped...

How it is that Chiyou was the father of the Dongyi?
Miao legend, folklores, burial rituals mention Chiyou name.
Chiyou means Father Grandfather in the Hmong Language.

The Dongyi never mention anything about Chiyou. No one claims chiyou
as their forefather except the Hmong, Miao and some Han Chinese.

Hmong people are not Chinese.

We do not share the same culture, we are indigenous nomadic people.

We are a minority that lives in China with Chinese people and have fought the Chinese throughout history for our freedom.

We are automatically associated with barbarianism and a threat to China's territorial integrity.

We are better known as the Miao's in China which literally means 'sprout' in Chinese.

After many upraises against the Chinese government, we survived and thrive over 7 million strong in China today.

The Chinese people have practiced Multiculturalists for centuries. Multiculturalists assimilation can hurt minority cultures by stripping away their distinctive features. They point to situations where institutions of the dominant culture initiate programs to assimilate or integrate minority cultures.



With assimilation, Hmong people lose their original cultural (and often linguistic) identity and so do their children.



Hmong people fled persecution and because laos and other countries where Hmong's lived was a country devastated by war our parents were resilient to abandoning their heritage once they had settled in a new country.


To all Hmongs -----Don't ever think that you are Chinese, you are not!!! You are Hmong.

Don't take my word for it. [topic="Hmong "]Hmong People are not Chinese![/topic] Check out these sites and make your own conclusions:

http://www.cal.org/co/hmong/hhist.html
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/nationality/miao/
http://www.c-c-c.org/culture-resources/eth...inorities/miao/
http://www.hmongcenter.org/
http://www.mandarintools.com/cgi-bin/wordl...amp;where=start
http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Minorities/C...ionalities.html

i never heard of hmong b4...cool info

hmong is the big brother to the other race...because there are more hmong that can speak other languages clearly and only few other can speak hmong clearly...

Did the Hans call the Hmong "sprout" because they're short?

Great info, thank dude. I'll check it out later.
Never knew about Hmong people.

I though this Chiyou was one of the ancient Korean ruler?

"What is Hmong?" It's quite unsuitable, but to me it's simply like a question of asking, " What is Chinese, Japanese, Korean and so on?" Anyways, the Hmongs, for a fact, probably have the most similar features as of the Chinese, though it can be a very controversial statement. I'm a Hmong myself, and there are no such bad reasons to be ashamed of. I'm proud of my Hmong/Miao heritage, and it's very uncomfortable for me to encounter with such bad sayings about these people. Don't cut it short though, we're all humans. I have great respect for all people of different races. And the only thing that would make us look less than what we ought to really be to the rest of the world is only by such absentminded apsects we could possibly acquire. Earnestly, this attitude of mine has been shown because I've seen such comments depicting negative things about the very minority group of the people of this topic - the Hmongs.

However, the Hmongs are a group of people, initially migrating from China. There are still some living over there. It's been confirmed by an article in Hmong Today that says, "There are more Hmongs living in China than any [place else on earth]" Approximately 2/3 is about the most accurate proportion of Hmongs living in China alone. Briefly furtheremore, as far as looks go, I think the Hmongs look quite similar like some of those of other Asian groups from the East. Sure and out of the question, We have brown eyes, black and straight hair, and yellow skin (not dark skin) like other Asians do, yet still very unique in the looks of our own facial features. And finally, just like most Asians too, the "average height" in the Hmong community (mainly in the American society) for most adult males is in somewhere between 5' 5'' to 5'7'', due to better nutrition in the state respectively. And the ladies are probably, in the most cases, somewhere in between 5'3'' to 5'4'', though some are very tall still (5'8'' to 5'9''). But overall, we have a descented look of our own. No one should be confused about that.

Here are a few pictures of some Hmongs in China and in the US:

http://www.hmongtoday.com/article_images/E...ix%20Photos.jpg (A picture of Ayoudou - a popular Hmong singer in China right now)

http://www.nndb.com/people/368/000109041/brendasong3.jpg (Here's a picture of Brenda. She has a mixture of Hmong and Thai. Her dad is Hmong)

http://img.epochtimes.com/i3/2003-3-18-628-453--ss.jpg (This is Song Zuying - another popular Hmong singer in China)

http://www.ayouduo.com/news/pics/2005821757267125.jpg (Ayoudou again)


Anyways, my name is Yong and it's an honor to be a part of this organization (Asianfinest.com). I hope to lear as many things about other Asian cultures while being on here. So, thanks for the information you guys have provided so far!!

I know what is Hmong

An ethnic group living in southern China, Vietnam, Laos, and Thailand. Laotian civil war in mid-1970s led to an exodus to the United States.
a people living traditionally in mountain villages in southern China and adjacent areas of Vietnam and Laos and Thailand; many have emigrated to the United States
a language of uncertain affiliation spoken by the Hmong
of or related to the Hmong people or their language or their culture

I know an Hmong girl, her name is Ma lee!

I suppose the Hans (or Chinese) called the Hmong Miao/"sprout" was because they had a reason to call it just that. Just like White Americans used to call Black Americans the N word back in the days. Such person could careless and choose to call anything they want, regardless of human rights. But if that was the case (calling the Hmong "sprout" because they were short) than I suppose that very word can be used for just about any folks that are short. -a very curious question.

hmong means, "free men" or "free people that wants their own freedom"

The first time I read about Hmongs was from a National Geographic magazine on Hmong-Americans.

How do you exactly pronounce Hmong ?

Would it be Ha Mong or with Mong a silent "H"

I am not trying to be funny or disrespectful.

I am just facinated because I never heard of Hmong until I came here.

I went to a store here in Georgia, and I thought the woman was Filipino, but she said she was from Laos in the moutain areas.

I wondered if she was Hmong. She basically looked like we Filipinos do.

Miao are originally from Hebei where Jiuli Kingdom was located and Liaoning, Heilongjiang, Jilin, Beijing, Tianjing, Shangxi, etc...are the areas where they settled. Dongyi was the name of the people of Jiuli kingdom(jiuli aka nine li or nine yi tribe of Northeastern China) and at that time the word Miao did not exist yet until the Sanmiao period. Dongyi means Eastern Yi people who are the descendants of Tai hao shi, Shao hao shi and later Chiyou of the ox/bird totem. The word Yi refers to Eastern barbarians and not the modern day Yi ethnic. The modern day Miao ethnic are descendants of Eastern Yi aka Dongyi and the modern day Yi ethnic are originally from Yunnan where they have always lived since the time of our earliest ancestors. Modern day Yi ethnic are known as the Man tribe of Southwest China to the Miao people. Modern day Yi ethnic are not descendants of Dongyi so don't get confused just because Dongyi also has yi at the end. The yi at the end of dongyi simply means barbarian.

to this day, it's still unclear as to why Hmongs were referred to as barbarians. was it because Hmongs were considered as outsiders or uncommoner, and that is why Hmongs were called barbarians by the Chinese ppl? I happen to think that that is why because you don't see any physical, social/behavioral, and cultural aspects resembling a barbarian.

Hi All,

I am new to this site. I live in Columbia, Missouri and am very interested in learning more about and helping to support the Hmong communities in the U.S. Do any of you know of any Hmong community groups or individuals I might contact in Missouri? with kind thanks,

Joseph

haha this is what i was wondering! >.< i was like "what the hell is hmong!?" lol i've never heard of hmong until today

sure.... lol.

I was curious so I read like up to page 10 on here ....and decided to point some stuff out ...
Hmong people don't really have a distinctive feature or look to them, just like other races out there. You can't just be like OH SHE'S JAPANESE ..or Yea, I bet you're Irish.
Heck there are even some Hmong people who look hispanic ....and even black. I believe Hmong people do carry a recessive gene for the lighter hair color and blue eyes, though those are rare.

Hmong is a culture, a language and an ethnicity (or race ..still can't really tell the difference nowadays)

I was reading some of the posts on here about how Hmong are ...this and that ....let me break it down to you, it's everyone, not just the Hmong people themselves.
We all go through the same things no matter the race.

hey fyi i'm hmong and i don't look like a mexican
wat chu tryna say huh?
and what r u?

exactly thank u
cuz i'm hmong
and for any1 who want to know go to sac or st. paul/minneapolis if u want to see hmong (USA)

hell no now a days all i see is a hmong holding a different ethnits hand
just last year my cousin went w/ this caucasian to live

Hmong is people.

We're Hmong, not Huh-mong. It isn't a place, it's a people. Hmong people come from different parts of Laos and Thailand and China.

They don't refer themselves as "Chinese people".

the Miao do....

thats one thing about that OP i thought was weird. why was there no mention of Miao ethnic...

Miao lives in China so therefore their nationality is Chinese. They are ethnic Miao. Ethnicity, nationality, race are all different. Ethnicity refers to a specific group of people, nationality is determined by which nation you live in and race is a larger group in which many ethnicity are comprised of in the continent in which they originated. For example, I am ethnic Hmong, I live in the U.S. so my nationality is American, and my race is Asian.

No you're wrong. I am Miao and I see myself as a proud chinese who is of the miao ethinic. So that is your personal statement. I believe only the hmong in america and parts of south east asia don't refer to themselves as chinese nationals because 1. they never grew up in china.

You grew up in China? Where are you from? So from what I'm getting is that you are in fact Miao from China and not from SEA?

Yes I am from China but my family moved here in the 90s.

Really? from Yunnan huh? Since you also speak the western dialect...

but what is the story behind your parent's migration to the States?

it's a long story.. i will tell you one day...

Oh come on! i wanna know! haha. Make it short?

Are you simply those Hmong that lives in China or are you among those other miao tribes...?

i'm the hmoob suav from yunnan. my papa's best friend moved to south east asia, and than moved to usa. his family sponsor our family. that's short. lol

Ur hometown is in Wenshan?

Awesome you are an authentic Hmoob sauv. So where in the states are you? What did you first think of America and Hmong that were already living here?

She was probably too young to notice lol.

I wonder if she have the Hmong Suav accent. LOL! Jk. probably too young like you said.

Yeah, I mean, how was it for you Leng? Thailand life and American life?

Yeah man... aside from the fact that you can't be running around the neighborhood pissing all over their yards like back in Tham Krabok i had a hard @$$ time with the English language.

Sometimes i be going around saying stuff like this: Hello dee kop and see you later-dee der. Ops? hahahha

My rock heavy Thai accent is making me sound like them Mexicans. Whenever i speak people think i want some sticky rice or something. LMFAO



















JK i'm basically 2nd generation just like ya. Grew up here

Wow we have a Hmong suav here too? Interesting!

^

are you hkboy? loving?

hmong pride.

Lao-Hmong pride