Actually, the young girl mentioned in those outdated news source was a Malaysian.

In technical mishaps, the girl got nabbed by MY police & got deported along with the illegals to Phillippines.

The story ends when we finally acknowledged that the girl is Malaysian after her relatives lodged a complaint & Phil Govt. returned her to us.

The dastard cops already on trial regarding sexual abuse.

End of story.

And try to learn to accept the fact & live with it as well.

Sabah is a milking cow for Malaysia too!
Speak for yourself...

^ i think u r right. sabah is full of natural resources, but sadly most of the wealth it generates goes to the federal govt. . and we are left to be one of the poorest state in m'sia. however i think we are still quite a sufficiently nutritioned healthy cow. no offense, but if we were under philippines, i think we might end up being an under-nourished sick and skinny old milking cow.

Whoever said so .... Terengganu, Sabah & Sarawak are the cash-cow for oil revenue.

The revenues is divided between the Federal Govt. & the abovesaid states.

If you want to learn more about the claim to Sabah please check out this official website

HM Sultan Muhammad Fuad Abdulla Kiram I is the most capable and most suitable member of the Royal blood line as per Law of Succession of the Royal House of Sulu and Sabah and is the legitimate and lawful Royal Hashemite Sultan of Sulu and Sabah. HM Sultan Muhammad Fuad A. Kiram I is the brother of the late HM Sultan Mahakuttah Abdulla Kiram (Sultan 1974-1986) and son of the late HM Sultan Muhammad Esmail E. Kiram I (Sultan 1947-1973), who gave the power of attorney to Philippine Pres. Diosdado Macapagal in 1962 then to Philippine Pres. Ferdinand E. Marcos in 1969 for the Philippine Government to recover Sabah. His grandfather was HM Sultan Mawallil Wasit Kiram, successor to his brother HM Sultan Jamalul Kiram II (Sultan 1893-1936), childless, who died of poisoning. HM Sultan Mawallil Wasit Kiram ruled only for six (6) months due to death by poisoning in 1936, whereupon the throne was inherited by his first-born son HM Sultan Muhammad Esmail E. Kiram I. The father of HM Jamalul Kiram II was HM Sultan Jamalul Ahlam Kiram who leased North Borneo (Sabah) to a British Company in 1878. HRH Prince Ezzarhaddon A. Kiram is the Crown Prince of the Royal Hashemite Sultanate of Sabah and is known as the Prince of Kota Kinabalu while his brother HRH Prince Al-mezzheer A. Kiram is the Crown Prince of the Royal Hashemite Sultanate of Sulu and is known as the Prince of Jolo.

Copyright © 2006 Royal Sulu. www.royalsulu.com All rights reserved.

I with y'all Filipinos! You guys deserve Sabah. It's enough for Malaysia to take people's lands...

When will Filipinos get over Sabah.. take note that the Igorot homeland (former Mountain province.. not the "mountain province" that exist now.. the MP that existed before the war) and areas of Mindanao were not originally part of "Filipinas". Maybe the Philippine state should allow them to secede?
Hmf!

Since the squatting Malaysians like Sabah so much, and are willing to pay the rent in settling that land, The Sultanate of Sulu should just sell it to the Malaysians with the Philippines as the broker.

Sell it for no less than a Trillion US dollars.

Split it like 50/50. 500 Billion will be divided among the rightful heirs, and the other half that would go to the Philippine goverment will be used to develop Sulu and Mindanao.

Deal?

If Malaysia doesn't agree on those terms, we'll tell Dubya that Osama is hiding in Malaysia. He may actually believe it.

Then BAM!!! The Philippines, Indonesia, and Singapore are instant coalition forces.




Allow them to secede??? Yeah Right!

Some sources say Philippines gave up rights to Sabah in 1978 while other sources say they still claim it. So which is it. Others sources say they claim Sabah entirely. But found out that really its not the whole Sabah.


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So Philippines claim is . Think it is over 1/3 to 1/2 of Sabah.

Some say land not that good since mostly jungle and some parts have elephants running around.
If there is oil then the Philippines should see into annexing there part of Sabah. Can ask US or China for help. However. will probably have current nation which controls it has a future enemy. Do the ppl. living there want it or not since this also could cause problems in the future. Philippines could make agreement with current owner to give up claim if they allow the Philippines to share in oil and resource profits in the claim region.
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Not a bad idea at all. For how many years they have been deprived by their right to their OWN land by the Philippine state and mainstream Filipinos. It's even funny that the lowlanders flock to our city(and vandalize and mutilate it) and they they would say unflattering things about the Igorots... they must have forgot that bBaguio is very much part of the Igorot country.

I tell you, Camp John Hay and the PMA are big time squatters in the Igorot homeland. The Kias and Loakan area that is being squatted on by lowlanders are proven to be lands of some Baguio-Ibaloi families. Prominent Ibaloi families actually WON the case(especially CJH.. they even won it in the US court) but the Philippine state and mainstream Filipinos are arrogant not to leave the ancestral lands of the Ibalois. Hell, even the big houses you see in the Benguet area are but just squatters. Kaya nga sa Baguio, biro biro doon "Kung sa Maynila ang squatters karamihan mahihirap sa Baguio ang mga squatters mayayaman..."

If you look into the history of Mindanao, they never wanted to be part of the Philippine state. They even appealed to US(during the US occupation) that they be directly handled by them-- separate from the Philippine state.

Have you heard of the Jabidah Massacre? Many muslim recruits were killed because they refused to join the Sabah invasion(through arms).. but one was able to survive and he told the (failed) plan. FIlipinos should get over Sabah, really. If I'm not mistaken, somewhere in the 60's or 70's, people voted whether they choose to stay with the Philippines or Malaysia. Malaysia won by landslide.

The mainstream Filipinos enjoy the benefits in the expense of the Igorots and Moros. The Ambuklao and San Roque dam displaced many IPs. If the Igorots(heck, the Philippine state even have Macli-ing Dulag assasinated) didn't stand up against the planned Chico dam, the 300,000 people would be displaced in their own homeland

^ ^ Allow me to use the statement you made.

You said:


So I'll ask you the same question about the Igorots' claims and Muslims in Mindanao.

When will the Igorots and Moros get over the so called Igorot homeland and Mindanao? This is like claiming back Hawaii and the Marianas from the USA!


No offense, Kanlungan. I hope you don't mind if I used your own logic.

One of the most debilitating problems that is preventing our country from moving forward is all the tribalistic and regionalistic nonsense that most seem to have a fixation with.

Why can't we just be Filipinos first and foremost? Instead of being Igorots, Moros, Ilocanos, Bisaya, Tagalog, lowlanders, highlanders, or whatever, etc... Reason why we can't move forward fast enough because we are all at each other's throats. We are strangers in our own country. No unity, No progress. Simple as that.

Maybe we should just start a civil war, whoever wins will dominate and influence the losers. A bit extreme, but it's probably the only way to unite the people. But I hope it won't reach that point though, it would set the country back several decades.

Uniting peacefully and sincerely is a much, much better alternative for everybody.

Marianas , Saipan , Palau, Guam, Carolines were once administered by the Philippines during the Spanish colonial regime

ship all the muslims to sabah. that will take care of half of a problem.

Ganon?

Yeah Right! actually I'm a Manobo from Bukidnon, and I know a lot of this stuff.

In Fact, Our oral tradition has said that the Manobo immigrants (Malayo-Polynesian origin) whose last jump off area to the mainland of Mindanao is the Sulu archipelago.

The Present day Muslims are our brothers in ancient times. our oral history says that there were two brothers hell I forgot their names, one of them embrace Islam Religion and the other want to retain his faith, so the lumads travels upward to North and South Cotabato, Bukidnon, some in Zamboanga, Sultan Kudarat, Surigao, Agusan and Davao.

What the hell is "Taiwan Migration"?

About the Sabah Issue, for now I think we can't mess around with Malaysia, simply because they are a united people, let us first address the issues and problems of Mindanao and afterwards aim for a common goal and that is to reclaim Sabbah.

Right! So far we could slowly populate Sabah!!!!!

Then the Filipinos in Sabah would be Malaysian citizens.

Oh well, that's a more benign way to reduce our population.

LOL

eh kung pinagkukulam na lang natin sila he he he!

nice idea!!!!!

This is my first post here.

If the people of Sabah want to be with Malaysia, then so be it.

that is the same as those oral history of the people of the visayas. they migrated to the north because they wanted to retain the faith of their ancestors. it is to them a sacred heritage, an inheritance given them by their ancestors. but their more powerful brothers are converting to islam and persecuting them so they flee and they settled in the visayas. that is why it is not true that people of the philippines are muslim before the spaniards came. the people of the visayas and a large part of mindanao were worshipping ancestral deities. they are what we now call "lumads" like the manobos.

i think malaysia should retain sabah, because dont you think malaysia does a good job representing the people? like theres this picture malaccan has it is showing women of each ethnic origin. thers:

traditiona dress dayak woman
traditional dress indian woman
traditional dress malay woman
traditional dress chinese woman
traditional dress dusun woman (native sabah tribes)

i think the only woman not represent was a orang asli ?

hehe oh well, they should include her!!!

but yeah i dont think philippine do that at this moment, its more hispanicized-christian dominated "fiesta" portrayl of philipine right?

i think we shoudl imitate malaysia how they represent!!!

it would be difficult to seek peace unless you first give them their ancestral land to toil. it is a great disrespect for the government to just offer the land to mining companies to exploit and send military to intimidate them. it's like the hacienderos grabbing land from people who lived in those land even before they found it.

the indigenous people lived in a communal society, their ancestral land is their life, their source of livelihood. it is like giving the animals a place to hunt. the problem is the lack of respect for these indigenous people by taking their land and doing what the government wants without even consulting the natives whose ancestors already lived in these land even before the republic of the philippines was born. that is why the solution would be respect for the people of the land. the problem is that these indigenous people are driven out of their ancestral land because they are not financially rich to buy land from the republic of the philippines and the philippines think that those land are public land and if it is public land then anyone who is filipino citizen and wealthy can buy them which resulted in many indigenous families and communities losing their ancestral land which they hold for hundreds of years. now, that is injustice. it is like your neighbor stealing the diamond ring given to you by your grandmother arguing that you have no title to it. so he has all the right to claim it.

that is why i beleive that if we really want peaceful coexistence, we must also respect our neighbors. we must not act like colonizers but as brothers to them. if we only talked to them, we would have known that many of those things they are asking for are very simple. a place where they can live their simple communal life and a land to toil. and also no miners and mining companies to destroy their land. because they believed that there are ancestral spirits in the dwelling in the mountains. we must respect that belief.

Notwithstanding all the different views and opinions regarding Sabah, I maintain that Sabah should be a part of the Philippine territory.

Since Malaysia and the Philippines cannot settle ownership over Sabah by themselves alone, the matter should be brought before the International Court of Justice. As a matter of fact, this has been what the Philippines wanted ever since. But the Malaysian Government is afraid to face the Philippines before the said forum, because they know pretty well that they would lose. The Philippines has sufficient evidence to back up its claim over Sabah.

The temperament and glamour for the inhabitants of Sabah should not be the basis in resolving who has a better right over the territory. Historically and legally, the Philippines has the better right.

about the regionalistic ideas of Filipinos, i am really disgusted with that mindset....i myself is an Ifugao, Ilocano, Waray and Chinese....but i grew up Tagalog.....but i dont consider myself as ilocano, or ifugao, or the others, but FILIPINO. Please to other filipinos out there, stop being so regionalistic, and be more FILIPINO.

so you are implying that to be tagalog is to be filipino? i think ifugao have more culture than tagalog. if tagalog is the national culture.. maybe the national standard should go to another ethnic with more culture and preserved heritage like a maranao or tausug. what if filipinos dress in malong and adopt maranao or tausug ways but spare ur christian religion, it will seem more asian and people will not question so much if filipinos are asian!

what do you think?

No, I don't want Sabah if it were to be forced upon us by an international court. Do you even realize how much extremism that would bring????

Keep it as it is now, and just go forward with better regional integration with a Malay Federation, or ASEAN as a whole. South America, North America, the EU, India, and China are already superblocs. We need to do our own in order to become competitive. This subject of Sabah ownership would be moot. It's not like Malaysia is a hostile nation to the Philippines. We can use the land, but we have plenty in Mindanao and we have a service economy anyway, with agriculture dwindling year by year. Land is not that important.

no that's not it. What im saying is may you be a tagalog, an ilocano, ifugao, igorot, cebuano, waray, ibanag, tausug, etc..... you are still Filipino. I just made an example that im a Filipino with different ehtnic blood in me...and even though i am a result of different ethnicity (as i said im even 1/4 chinese), i consider myself so much Filipino. Regionalism only destroys our national unity. Its true you need to preserve each ethnic group's culture and heritage, but in the end, all of this is for the Philippines and for the Filipino culture as a whole.




What if, you have a very lightly guarded lot before, the suddenly it was occupied by somebody else, and is made into his own, is that easy for you to give it away without any settlement???

Actually Malaysia is so lucky that the government of the Philippines in the past (Macapagal and Marcos administrations) have not made any military move to get back Sabah (which during those times the Philippine Military was more than enough to crush any Malaysian defenses). It is unfortunate that the AFP is now in its worst situation (ill equipped, underfinanced, and poorly supported by the government). But that does not mean that the Philippines must not push for what is rightfully her own.

That is why the best and most peaceful way is through the International Court of Justice. If Sabah can't be intergrated into the Philippine territory, other means are possible, like special incentives for Philippine businesses in Sabah, or humane treatment of Filipinos there, or better fishing access, etc.

i think you are mearching too much the tachometer of the countrys desire to progress into succession. but i believe the locality of each region will provide coal to facilitate in this locomotion of protrusion into upper world powers. its just a diurnal process into a grander emporium of clandescence.its a transitory effect of our diaphragm and our legislative body, indeed?

Wow! this topic had gone a long way! from claiming of Sabah to international progress

well, it might be true that money is might in this period....so until the Philippines does not drastically improve from being a lagger into a leader, it may have a hard time to fight for its claim for Sabah. It seems that one of the primary reasons why people from Sabah would better be Malaysians than Filipinos is due to the Philippines' slow improvement.

So the best thing is while the Philippines does not drop its claims, she must improve the economic situation and show the world that not only it is good to be Filipino because of freedom and democracy, but also it is also good to be Filipino because of very good living conditions.

Exactly.

filipinos should represent their ethnic tribes that is already part of the country before trying to represent other landa.

The Philippines is not claiming other lands but the land that was annexed illegally by the British and Americans !!!!! Sabah, Marianas, Guam, Saipan, Yap, Palau , Carolines

Agreed with all your points.
I think the Sabahans themselves would prefer to be Malaysian rather than Filipinos mainly because of economic factor. If Sabah were to become part of Philippines then a lot of migration would happen and in the end if would end up just like Southern Philippines.

As of now Sabah is part of Malaysia.....................

that's why i said before that the Philippine must exceed Malaysia's economic condition and military prowess, then it will have enough teeth to force its claim of Sabah. Might is Right, and this is the current rule of the world. But then, the Philippines must maintain its claim.

in my opinion though, if the Philippine has the same economic conditions as Malaysia, its better to be Filipino....

hello everyone..im a newbie here..oh yes the sahban dispute got a long way..if only our petty armed forces be for somehow upgraded then we all got the chance of grabbing sabah back to us..this made phil.gov. reason out their impotency on acting the positive way..

i remembered one happening in marcos era bout the launching of the military campsite in one isolated sahban territory..it was the training site for the moslem soldiers in mindanao who were promised to be given parcel of land if theyll be able to terrorize the exisiting government there..it was infiltrated and soon the training camp was moved in luzon(corregidor?)..

yes I agree might makes right. if our show of military force can be enough to convince them that they can't win, then they will change their minds real quick.

since that's not an option at this time, we could pick up where Marcos left off by training soldiers to infiltrate the countryside and incite the understandably PISSED 'illiegal aliens' already there.

ano ba yan. hanggang ngayon ba issue pa rin yan... grade 1 pa ako nyan ha...

that is why we'll hope marcos spirit of expasionism may revive to gloria's..

we are not really expanding...we are just claiming a land that is rightfully and legally is ours.

but malaysia do claim legal basis also..were much on historical claims..war i think would be the final resort if we will to continue our fight for our right..

The rightful owner of Sabah is the Sultan of Sulu. Malaysia is still paying 5,500 Malaysian Ringgit to the Sultan of Sulu. This means that the Malaysian knows that they are just leasing Sabah, they don't own it because they are still paying the rent. However, 5,500 Ringgit is just a pocket change. But rent is still a rent no matter how much is the payment.




If you are basing your claim on history, then I'd say that Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines have no right to claim Sarawak, Sabah, Kalimantan because based on history the whole island of Borneo is used to be part of the Kingdom of Brunei.

and the Sultan of Sulu is a citizen of the Philippines. So in short, Sabah is a part of the Philippines.

Regarding it being a part of the Kingdom of Brunei, yup Sabah was a part of Kingdom of Brunei, and it was given to the Sultan of Sulu as a reward for helping the Sultan of Brunei in the past...see past posts in this topic.

Sabah will never been part of Philippines.
Deal with that. No need to go war...

It was leased to Malaysia. Since you like Sabah so much, why won't Malaysia just buy it for let's say 5 Trillion US dollars, and avoid any unnecessary bloodshed. We'll use it to develop Mindanao.

Sabah is big chunk of land, I'd say its even bigger than Taiwain. And lease is a big ripoff. If they would buy that, I'd say thats at least 20 Tril. US Dollar.

I believe that the Philippines wouldn't be able to sustain Sabah right now. If we attain Sabah, odds are the southern Mindanao wll break away with Sabah etc to form a separate state or become part of Malaysia. I believe the Philippines should be happy with what it has now and concentrate on delivering her people out of Poverty.