just a randomn thought open up for discussion...Iraq has a large army..but their army of course has major flaws..Vietnam has a large army too...battle tested but never really have an all out full scale war since the Viet-Franco conflict..who you guys think will win?

You are insulting the Vietnamese army

What do you mean never battle tested full out? What you never heard of the Vietnam-Cambodian war and the Sino-Vietnam war?

Lets just say if Vietnam can take over a Chinese and U.S backed country in just 15 days and in the same amount of time defend themselves from China then I have a lot of confidence in the Vietnamese military.

Where is the battlefield, the jungle or the desert?

In the jungle and dense forests the Iraqis are dead meat. In the dessert we don't really know. Both have large conventional armies.

The Iraq army would win if they fought in the desert. The iraqi soldiers are fanatical they aren't afraid to die since if they get killed in battle they would go to heaven in their beliefs. The Vietnamese Army only works in Jungle terrain, and Iraq isn't stupid enough to attack Vietnam. Belief in religion is stronger then belief in an government ideology.

And I think the Iraqi army is also battle tested remember the Iran-Iraq war. And the Persian Gulf War. Plus you would also have mercenariesfrom the muslim world helping out Iraq. And you would have terrorist groups attacking Vietnam and their army.

Uh remember the Vietnam war? 58,000 Americans died. How many Americans are dead in the Iraq wars? Also 200,000 Americans were MIA and haven't even been found yet, and there are rumours that they are still in Vietnam prisons being tortured secretly or their bodies weren't found. So basically that's another about 200,000 Americans that didn't come home.

Gulf War 1, 50 Americans died.

Gulf War 2, 700 Americans died and counting.

I don't know how many are Missing in Action for both wars though.

Even with the jungle advantage Vietnam sure killed a hell of a lot more Americans than the Iraqi's ever did.

So your comparing drafted soldiers who didn't want to be there 30 years ago. To volunteer soldiers today where the technology of our weapons are way superior then what we had before. And how many years did the Vietnam war last?

Vietnam war lasted 16 years, Americans thought they would win in 1 year but after 16 years they left in defeat.

Oh and of course American tech is more powerful today, but then again the Iraqi's have more powerful weapons than the Vietnamese had in the 60's and 70's.

So I'm comparing RELATIVE. Of course Americans would have better technology today. Vietnamese military technology is more powerful than what they had during the Vietnam war too.

This is about who would win between the two armies not who dealt more damage to the US army. If Vietnam did attack Iraq, you will feel the same way America felt when attacking Vietnam.

Vietnam has the 9th largest army in the world right now, and that's because they didn't have any wars right now. During it's peak when Vietnam was fighting wars with basically all it's neighbours they had the 3rd largest army in the world.

Also everyone in Vietnam is forced to take one year of mililtary training in order to graduate from high school. so basically a lot of poeple knows the basics of combat.

Also the Vietnam doesn't care about civilian casualities, if their were any insurgencies Vietnam has no problem in destroying the civilian population in order to stop their attacks.

And then you would have al-queada and every muslim terrorist group attacking your country and releasing biological weapons. And no one would give a d@mn .

Ha. Vietnam is one of the few countries that is terrorist free. Which is why the U.S and Australia is working with Vietnam very closely in the war against terrorism in South East Asia, because the other South East Asian countries are ruled by muslims or have muslim terrorist.

How can muslim terrorist attack Vietnam when Islam is not an official relgion in Vietnam. Anyone caught practicing non official religions are arrested.

So how can Muslims launch a terrorist attack on Vietnam when there aren't many muslims in Vietnam to begin with unlike the Phillipines where the muslim minority is causing trouble for the Philipines.

Any muslim that attacks Vietnam, Vietnam would likely arrest all of the few muslims in Vietnam.

You do know Vietnam watches many religous leaders in Vietnam very closely even ones that are on the official religions.

I guess that's another benefit of communism, you don't have to worry about religoius fanatic terrorist that want to launch an attack on your country.

Don't you think they can sneak into your country. Your acting like the Vietnam is impenetrable, a terrorist could hide that he was muslim. What happened to the twin towers would be nothing compared to what will happen in Vietnam if they commited atrocities in the Arab world.

lol how can they sneak into Vietnam? Very unlikely considering Vietnam's borders are heavily fortifide with land mines and patrols. Also most terrorist are from the middle east background, so Vietnam would obviously know who's potentially a terrorist.

Also the few muslims that there are in Vietnam aren't even Vietnamese, they are minorities of other South East Asian groups like Cambodian,Cham or whatever.

Vietnam watches it's minorities very closely.

So unless mainstream Vietnamese decide to become muslim terrorist than there is a high chance Vietnam is safe from terrorism.

The U.S did declare Vietnam one of the few terrorist free countries for a reason you know.

Don't you know there are also muslim countries in asia. And there is some Vietnamese out there who could become muslim. And they could always target vietnamese nationals traveling outside of Vietnam. And you forget the iraqis are protecting their country they would be fighting extra hard. Face it if Vietnam did anything to the Arab world they would be in deep sh!t.

lol yeah maybe like 1 or 2 Vietnamese are interested in becoming muslim. lol

Yes there are muslim asian countries but they are separated from Vietnam by water.

And why would Vietnam fight the middle East? Vietnam basically taught the Iraq insurgency fighters.

You do know after the Vietnam war, many Middle Eastern people went to Vietnam because Vietnam is the only country to defeat America and they defeated them using guerilla war, so the arabs wanted to learn off of them.

So basically the terrorist attacks and insurgency you see in Iraq right now had some training by the Vietnamese.

Yeah Im sure jungle fighting is such useful information when fighting in the dessert. And it only takes one or two people to release biological weapons in Vietnam. And you still didn't answer me about what would happen to the vietnamese nationals abroad.

lol what makes you think the whole Vietnam war was Jungle fighting? Most of it I believe was Urban warfare. Which the Iraqis have learned well and have applied it in Fallujah.

This topic was about which army was more powerful and I believe the Vietnam army is more powerful, this isn't about terrorist are any crap.

It's about which army is more poweful if they fought in neutral land.

Vietnam's airforce has more advance fighters as well.

Whatever this is just blatant homerism. Of course you would say the Vietnamese Army is better, since you are Vietnamese.

Number 1.

Vietnam has defeated France,U.S,Cambodia,China in wars in the 20th century alone.

Number 2.

Vietnam has more superior airpower.

Iraqis have old Mig 25 and Mig 21s.

Vietnam has the Su-27 and the Su-30 Mkk along with plenty of Mig 21's during the Vietnam war.

Number 3.

Military training is compulsary to graduate from highschool, so most Vietnamese are better trained at combat.

Superior weapons and training isn't everything, how the heck did the vietnamese win against the US with inferior weapons and inferior training in conventional warfare. Vietnam would wake up to a rude awakening if they think they could just invade an country like Iraq. What they did to the US in the Vietnam war would come back right at them.

This question is based on who's army is stronger. Meaning general wise. It doesn't ask where the battlefield is in Vietnam or Iraq, it means who's army is more powerful military.

With Vietnam having more troops and more superior weapons and more experience in fighting several bigger enemies, I think Vietnam's military is stronger.

So would you say that the Ameican Army was stronger then the Vietnamese Army during the Vietnam War.

Of course, when did I deny that? Of course America's army is waaaay stronger. Why would I deny that? They have the most powerful military in the world.

Okay then I will agree with you that the Vietnamese Army is stronger then Iraq's due to weaponry and numbers. Case Closed

vietnam versus cambodia? how can you even say that is a full scale war..it is more like an Elephant running over a poor ant..as for the vietnam-sino war...it was just mostly ground war..no navy or airforce were involved..i am talking about an All out war..no nukes of course

Both armies and countries are pathetic. Though the iraq people would probably surrender when things got rough. Vietnamese would just fight and fight blindly. I think that vietnam would win.

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Just don't say anymore, that'd be a great help.

I will say what I wish. I only speak the truth.

Welcome back from the Chinese Nationalist forum Ogumo..

you are a funny guy Ogoogagoo

Whats up with Ogumo?

Nothing. What makes you think that something is wrong?

Vietnamese:

Do you disagree with what I say? Change my mind then.

He has step foot into the Chinese Nationalist forum.

Arn't you in there as well YManchun? I think I saw your screen name on their before.

Its that you said.



You called the countries pathetic.



I sure am.

So anyways, How's the weather?

i think Ogago is sad that he just got dumped by his boyfriend..now he is angry at the world

Oh oops. Did I say that? Fine. These countries are "challenged". Honestly those places are 3rd world what did you expect me to call them?

the last time i checked China is considered a third world country too..i could be wrong though

Even so they are pulling out of it. Can you say the same for vietnam?

yes we are pulling out of it too

I don't know about all of that....though I have seen information that vietnam economy has slightly increased I don't think that it is enough to pull out of 3rd world just yet. There are also many other things that need to be addressed. Such as living standards are the vietnamese working on this?

First, This is a silly topic to discuss

Ogumo is just merely to express his opinion and nothing wrong with that.. In fact We need to hear from nonViets perspectives to see how we are standing

I have to disagree with Oguno view on Vietnamese to "fight blindly". No We do not. We fought the enemies mostly on our soil to protect the country sovereignty from foreigner invasions. And I thought, It would be the same for the Japanese. Who want his country to be ruled by the foreigners?

Yes, Vietnam IS very POOR, a Third world country indeed !!!!

not yet but soon...ok..so lets cheer up and get back on topic..so how about those iragie and vietnamese?

That is a good point. I cannot argue with you there. Regardless I still feel that the iraq soldiers would be surrendering much more than the vietnamese.

if Iraq and Vietnam fights on a neutral ground..i think Vietnam would still win..i might bias..but it is just me

Perhaps, They gave up on their country too soon. And here the price that they have to pay

PEACE