Hello KhmerFolks!!!

I wonder if our KhmerPeople and Thais have a great congruity of opinions altogether! After we eliminate the VC regime and its slaughters out of our KhmerLand...Then, we Khmers and Thais should establish some business or put money for general investments. Because our border are closer to each other. SO?

What do you all Khmers and Thais think on that issue??

Welcome all for discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RockHeart.

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ahahahahahahahah rock heart u idiot..... wat make u think the Thais wont swallow ur land again.. they did it in the past, and wat mak eu think u can get rid of the VC.. with wat ur $hitty talks....hahahahaa

Rockhear Vietnam and Thailand still encroaching on Cambodia border.

the neighborr countries are like the cancers,the disease that will eat u up a lttle bit at the time until nothing else is left inside of u. even china want a piece of cambodia,how?.... during the kr,china started to bring their people to cambodia while the kr they have the plan to kill all the old generation of khmers. this plan is maybe with the help from the chinese also. the kr owed a lots to the chinese during the civil war so they must pay back to the chinese when the war ended. the pay back are anythings that can be useful to the chinese ,foods,land....etc.......that is why when the viets invaded cambodia the china were pistoff and started the war against the viets in the north in 1979. today because of the un that is why we still have a little bit of land and khmers left, imagine without the un. we probably speaking chinese,thai or the viet,pick one. right now khmer govt. are so busy making love with one another. they simply dont care about other things in general. the ranarit probably become the thai cat very soon,the samransy is the french mouse and honey sen is forever the viets old dog, three of them are chasing each other until the civil war start again,this t time the thai,the viet and laos are also involve,why?.. free lands, you watch im not kidding. lands is very important, taken land from camdodia is like taking candy from a baby.
ps. khmer mother alway say to their daughters,if someone give you something,especialy men,becareful,they alway expect something back from you.










+naighbor country

So the Southern is a brother VC and the Northern is a sister Thai. Who is in the western and Eastern??? We are a baby Khmer is in the midleLand!!...So we are Khmers have a brother and sister taking care for us!!! So which one is a great friend for our Khmers???

RockHeart.

:genius:

Oh that's too funny: rockheart is clueless about his own country, so much so that he's willing to sleep with one enemy to get back at another enemy. Man, if I were him, I would feel too stupid to post another a word on this board.

Man he's just being RockHeart. So, just keep it cool.

OMG! How come do you all so hungry for land??? When you are hungrying too much then you all forget considering and compassion for the neighbors at all!! Just a piece of land making the people are so crazzy and damage the brain and put down their own reputation to the bottom line...



RockHeart,



:genius:

Is Thailand encroaching on Cambodia's border?? Can you guys give me more info?
The only news I hear about are border skirmishes between Thailand and Burma at the Thai-Burmese border.

The site that I was looking for is not found. lately it had gotten quiet about thai military encroaching over cambodian border. Since the meeting about border in Sra keo last month. On the other side Vietnam had totally no respect for Cambodia at all.

But i think if we Khmers co-operation to Thais is much better than another!! Thais seem refresh their minds of themselves too much nowaday. No matter in the past both of us Thais and Khmers had a disturbance of invasion of Land...I dont think the Thais will act that way again and again. Because i believe that Thais have a great credit to compare in the world. Just some lowlives countries would like to invade neighbor land thats all. :genius:

Man Rockhart, you have alot of hatred towards alot of peeps! heheheeh! i think you're kinda funny!

check this out y'all! this story isn't suppose to flame anyone, just actual experience i had when i was in thailand training thai marines.

operation cobra gold 1996, i had 6 thai-marines come live onboard our ship for a few weeks. i was their handler cus they thought that even though i ain't thai, a cambodian is close enough to relate...which is what i had expected them to say.

anyways, when i was in chunbori, (refugee camp), i was hella scared of thai soldiers. they were big, strong, wore fatiques, and had m-16's and shiet!.

man, these thai marines weren't like the soldiers i had seen in my childhood. i could've toss them across a room one handed. other than the difference in physical appearances compared to what i had seen, they were marines, and our/my guests. i made them aware that i was in their refugee camp when i was a kid. it was funny, cus it was like a shock to them. they call that place aranyaprathet-chunburi (spelling).

they weren't used to our air-conditioned ship, so they were always cold. they had a hard time eating our food, they were just awkward to what we were accustomed to thats all.

they took alot of things (without asking) from me, but i didn't care, cus i could always get more, but they on the other hand could not. i just like give it a blind eye. it didn't bother me at all.
it was fun to go on training patrols in a thai village with them. they had complete rule over the villagers cus they work under the king. they could get just about anything they want from the villagers...within reasons, and the villagers couldn't do anything about it. my team and i would feel bad for the villagers so one of us would back track and give the villagers compensation for what ever the thai marines took. the villagers most often would refuse to take any money for fear of retribution.
although i was their trainer and being cambodian, we became friends, cus i showed them respect for being marines...of foreign origin. in a way it was kinda sad to say good bye to them. it appears the same from them.

i will look for pictures to post of my time there.

bottom line...being hatefull is never good, it breeds unecessary hatred and ignorance! i am not telling how people should act, i am just stating my experiences.
every living thing deserves some respect or another...at least for their existance. thats how we get along. the past is a lesson for the future generation.

take heed Rockhart brother, don't be to haste in your opinions. vietnamese and thais are not our enemy, they are our neighbors, know them as you would know your own.

Sok
tigard, oregon

Totally agree with you Sok. People are people. We all are basically not so different. While I was in Cambodia, I didn't see much difference between the Thai and Khmer people except the language (but even the languages share some vocabulary).

I personally like history and culture and enjoy discussing about it. But whenever history is mentioned in this forum, it is always part of the flaming, blaming, steoreotyping, or racist comments. It looks like people use history (sometimes not even a valid historical fact) to justify their anti-Vietnamese, anti-Thai, anti-Khmer, anti-whatever-race-you-can-think-of hatred. Well, it CANNOT be a right justification. It shouldn't even be used to justity hatred at the first place. What the kings/governments/politicians did wrong centuries or decades ago is not the way we should judge each other in the present.

I say today it doesn't make much sense to be so nationalistic and hate your very own neighbors. There is no reason why we, as the people, can just get along. So let's focus on the constructive talks.

Vince,

i am glad your view is simialar to mine on these issue. it makes me feel a lil more comforting that at least there are thinkers in this forum, (kmers).

i gotta go for now, i just wanna at least reply to your post.

go to go to the oregon coast and rebuild our neighbors bathroom in their beach house.

peace out!

sok
tigard, oregon

i agree with you guys here. judging people based on their nationality is totally wrong. you should only judge their personality. there are good and bad in all cultures and ethnicities. this is common sense, but some people seem not to get it and just accuse an entire nation for being like this or like that. i have a thai friend who is very open minded. she does not look down on khmer people and in fact recognizes some things that khmers contributed to thai culture, unfortunately not all thais are like this. so there are some bad thais too, in fact i sense a lot of hostility from a few thai members in the thai forum here (maybe cos it was a result of some khmer members here going to the thai forum and rubbing things in their face).

To compromise the opinions between Khmers and Thais on that matter! The Thais should return the piece of land that Thais took in the past to the Khmer Owner. Then the case is ended...But i really dunno whether the Thais agree to return that land to the KhmerOwner or NOT!!! Then...Both countries getting a long story in the future again and again...So...Why do the Thais deny to return that piece of land to the KhmerOwner??? Then we all free...

Don't has some things happen.

Peace.......

Now! Khmers have a lots of frienships to support for all kind of features...Brother Viets, brothers Thais, brothers China, brother India and much more to come...I hope we all able to maintance our great relationship morever...KhmerFutures will be abandance and bright...


RH,

its u again... -.- khmer, thai, lao, hmong no matter who the heck we are.. we should all join forces and be friends forever.. period..

You're right my sweet heart mIna!!! We're all need to get along to build the bright world...STOP raicsm!!! STOP battle!!! God bless we all!!!

This isn't about racism. It's more about trust. How can khmer gets along with its boarder nations when these nations kept on finding ways to take Khmer lands?

Indeed we should not judge others by their nation because some people are good and some are bad, the reality is, our subconscious will always have a record of what country did what to what country. You may trust that one person in which you called friend, but when you look at that person as a nation, your mind will never forget what that person nation did to your country.

If these nations really want to build a trust with one another, gain the respect among the people within their boarders, and end the arguement, then there are two steps:
1 - return all the land to their proper owner.
2 - next, sign a freaky damn treaty where no nation would take another nation land again.

I never have a Thai friend because I rarely see them but I do have a couple of nice Viet friends. Now, I trust them as a friend and respect them. However, I can never truly trust the Viet or Thai as a nation unless those two steps are resolved. After all, history can always repeat itself if you forgot about it.

So...From now aday, Our relationships between us and Thais are detatched!!! Because our neighbor is till keep invade on our land...It maybe, it doesnt have enough space to fit its population...Thats why it need for extra land!!!!

Come on guys!! Trying to be nice to each other... 2

uhm let me c

i dunnow which centery it was but thailand long ago it was cambodia but the land splitting ask your parent thai peeps.. or maby they shame or somthing..

You must be related to RockHeart in the head judging from the way you write and construct sentences.

Not $hit sherlock, wat else do u have to add

Waste time for Nothing!!! Why dont we shake hands between two countries and stand up for freedom???



RH,

The matter here is not freedom. What we're focusing on is that if we have the sense of dignity as a human being to drop the hate. Although people have exchanged cruel expressions towards eachother(in any way possible) in the past, it doesn't mean the hate should still burn strong as it still is. Even if you've had prior experience in a hate incident, it doesn't give you any right to get vengence(get back at them). Doing this would only prove you as guilty as they are. Even if we ourselves have done something as cruel to others, it doesn't mean you don't still have the chance to appologize. And even if you don't plan to get your revenge, you still have every right in this world to forgive. How can you ever see the beauty of this world we all share in our existance, if don't accept one another. If God created us as Equals, then why is it that we see eachother in negative ways. Other people live the same life you do;Expelling even just one single person would break the natural coarse of life. Look at how it is now. Because of hate it lead us to many wars. Our enemies lurk in our shadows also because of hate. No one likes a war, and the cause of that is enemies and no one wants enemies either. If people don't want enemies, then why do they always attract them? Yeah...I thought so. Now you know.

Woah... Oh, and um...if you ever want to use that go ahead just as long as you give credits. Thanks.

thai govt. lied about khmer and thai history to their people. most of them dont even khow that they have khmer or khom blood in them. stupid!

I'm Thai. I can tell you the easy way to fight with Vietnam

The easy way to get rid of Vietnam from Cambodia is to assimilate them into Kmer society. Every people who are a Cambodia Citizen must be learn Kmer language, Kmer history in the elementary school. And Kmer people do not hate them. You have to accept them into your society.

In Thailand we have a lot of people who decent from many race. But all people who born in Thailand are Thai. We don't practice racism in our country.

Thailand unified from many Kingdom in the past. Chaimai have their old Kingdom and their old history. Pattani have their old Kingdom too. But now they are become to Thai. If french and British did not come into this region. Loas, cambodia and alot of state in Malaysia have to be a part of Thailand. But that is the past. We can not live with the past we have to live with present.

There have a lot of Chinese immigated into thailand within this 200 years (Around 6-10 million now). But now you can not find them in our country because they are assimilated into our siciety quite well. They can not speak chinese anymore and we do not ask people in our country about where they are decented from. If they speak Thai, they are thai.

Nationality not count from blood but it is count from culture in the mind and brain. Human is like a Bio-Robot and their brain is like a computer. The most importance thing in computer is software. If you put Window XP into you computer they are work like a Window XP, even their physical is Samsung, Fujitsu, Dell or any brand. So if people born and live in Cambodia and you educate them with cambodia culture. They are become Cambodia.

Why do you want to chase them off? In the modern world, the genocide is not acceptable.

You should Cambodinisation them (Make them to be Kmer).

Vietnamese loyalty and allegiance to Cambodia is questionable. They have been our traditional enemy ever since the beginning of our contact with them. The Chinese I welcome. They seem to be very adaptable to any society and have been assimilated into Khmer society for as far as the first contact with them.

I see some Kmer people still dream about the Kmer Empire that collapsed 700 years ago. I feel most of Kmer is a racism. I not doubt why your Empire collapsed. A racism is in your culture. You have to treat people in you Empire very bad. That is why they are fight for freedom and when they are stronger than Kmer people. They have to win in one they. You are not assimilate them in your society but keep them as a second class citizen or your slave. So they have to fight and when they are strong you have to lose.

Thailand have a 65 million, Vietnam have a 88 million. Kmer have 12 Million.

Please stop dreaming about Kmer Empire. You have to live with the two Giant neighbors. But when I read many Kmer attitude or Kmer act to us is not Friendly.
That is make us (Thai and Vietnam) feel you are can not trusth or being friend.
when we are in our hardtime in history. Kmer oftenly stabbed to us too, many time and many time your people acted like this in history and even now. So when we can stand up again. We have to give the hard lession to you.


When we have war with Burma and we lost 2 war. and in that two war that we have a very hard time. We had lost our Capital city, burn into ash by burma army. At that time Kmer attacked us too.

That is why King Narasuen attacked Kmer and beat your Kingdom very hard. Becuse the way you act when we have a hard time.

The second war with burma and Ayuthaya (old Capital) was completly destroy. And at that time Kmer Kingdom think we will not recover again and they are attack us. That is why the King Taksin attack Cambodia when he finished war with Burma. Because the behavior you are act.


In the Thai sense Kmer can not Trusth. When we are strong. You are try to be a good friend but when we are weak you have take avantage from us.


Kmer Empire have to destroy. That is a historical mission of Thai race. If that Empire is not to destroy. We can not gain our freedom. People have to figh for freedom. That is the way of human work.

Stop the dream to Kmer Empire and live with present. You can not win the war wiht Thai or Vietnam.

Cambodia have to learn how Loas lives with the two Giant Neighbor.

Do you have something up your sleeves? I view Thais as more friendly than Vietnamese because we have so much in common. Vietnamese on the other hand are more difficult to assimilate because they are just too loyal to their mother land and pay allegiance to her. Sok Kong, is a vietnamese tycoon in cambodia, and just recently the vietnamese news agency spilled the beans that he is a vietnamese and is "dedicated" very much to vietnam. Do you get the drift?

Hi crew!

Something that I told you is history and Thai peole feel. But now we don't pay more attention on expansion. Usually We don't like war. If we can live with neighbor with peace we choose peace.

Siam attack Kmer has a reasonable and cannot avoid.

First, Siam attack Kmer Empire and destroy them because it must be do. If we not destroy Kmer Empire we did not have a freedom, even a country. That is a historical mission.

Second, In the King Narasuen Era, We lost war with Burma and Kmer attack us. That is why the King Narasuen get very angry and he destroy the second capital of Kmer.

Third. We lose a war with Burma again and Kmer do the same. And king Taksin learn about history what Kmer did when we have a very hard time. He intend to completly destroy Kmer and creat his son to be a King of Cambodia. He send his general (That General become the King Rama the first.) If there did not have a coup in his Kingdom. He has to win the war, actually.

But When the King Rama I ascended to the throne. He did not think like that he just live the Kmer Kingdon rule by Kmer King but as vassal king.

That is history.

We don't have intention to destroy Kmer. But the situation develop like that.

Burma attack us. Kmer stabbed us from behind. we recover, beat burma, and then Kmer. War begin and finish in 30-50 year. And a peace time (about 200 years each) until Burma attack us again. Everything happend in the same way again. And we can regain our own land plus new benefit, then we stop live with peace for another few hundred year.

This century should be a peace time. Burma have their own problem and can not threat to us. We have enough land. But we have to proteck our land too (even the new land we gain after the big war and no country return the land to any country).


That is the way of War in our region in the past.

Hi crew,

I tried to understand your country problem. Anyway, Cambodia have to learn how to live with Vietnam. If you see Malaysia, Thay have many race in their own country. 60 % Malay, 30% Chinese and 8% India. But why they can live together with peace. If you cannot Assimilate them. You have to live as a plural society like Malaysia Federation.

I think there have only less than 5% of Vietnam in Cambodia. That is very less and should have no problem. Why does Kmer people make hostile to them. And they have to defend from a hostile act from Kmer too. That make more tension into the two races.

The problem is a Kmer Attitude to the Neighbor. A hostile attitude and make more unfriendly.

And when you are have a chance you oftenly call for your lost land in the past. That is make more dispute with your neighboring country. Your neighboring country is big and strong than you. When the dispute happend and war begin you lose again.

Kmer should content with your land now.

Vietnam and Thailand when compare with Cambodia. They are stronger. When you make a dispute with them. You never win. The history was prove that.

Learn to live with them like Loas do.

Hi crew,

I tried to understand your country problem. Anyway, Cambodia have to learn how to live with Vietnam. If you see Malaysia, Thay have many race in their own country. 60 % Malay, 30% Chinese and 8% India. But why they can live together with peace. If you cannot Assimilate them. You have to live as a plural society like Malaysia Federation.
Cambodia also has various ethnic tribes and they consider themselves Khmer. The Chinese, Chams, Pnong, Laos, Thai are also very accepting of their Khmer identity. Whey can't the Vietnamese do the same? It's because they have no affinity toward Cambodia and Cambodians. There's just too much bad blood between the two.

I think there have only less than 5% of Vietnam in Cambodia. That is very less and should have no problem. Why does Kmer people make hostile to them. And they have to defend from a hostile act from Kmer too. That make more tension into the two races.
You must be reading too much from anti-khmer forums. Sure there is a lot of Cambodians having animosity toward Vietnamese, but only on the political and historical level. Those murder cases with Vietnamese victims are only isolated cases and are rarely an occurance in Cambodia, and they only happen in extreme cases where illegal Vietnamese immigrants are taking advantage of Khmer. The pro-Vietnam government won't even allow that.

The problem is a Kmer Attitude to the Neighbor. A hostile attitude and make more unfriendly.
Not all Khmers have that attitude. They worry more about making ends meet.

And when you are have a chance you oftenly call for your lost land in the past. That is make more dispute with your neighboring country. Your neighboring country is big and strong than you. When the dispute happend and war begin you lose again.
We will not let anybody step on our heads like that. We cannot be seen as a weak people. Our neighbors must learn to respect us before we negotiate.

Kmer should content with your land now.
We do not want those cockroaches encroaching into our territory. They have done it in the past, and are currently in the midst of it. The Thais aren't innocent either.

Vietnam and Thailand when compare with Cambodia. They are stronger. When you make a dispute with them. You never win. The history was prove that.
I'll reiterate: We cannot let nobody step on our heads. We will defend ourselves till the last drop of blood.

Learn to live with them like Loas do.
That is why Laos is called Western Vietnam for a reason. Do not speak for the Laotians themselves, I'm sure they don't like the Vietnamese presence in their country. Pretty soon, all Laos will speak Vietnamese, watch viet entertainment, eath viet food and all the good stuff until they realize that Lao has no culture anymore.

No Crew,

Laos will recieve some kind of Vietnam culture and it will develope in the new level. In the past, Thai has been recieve Kmer Empire culture and applied it into our own way of life and it become a new kind of culture. We are still Thai with influence from some kind of Kmer Empire but we are not Kmer. No pure culture in the world. Human has contact with each other and influence each others. Thailand Culture today is not the same as 500 years ago. But we still Thai. Our Way of life is not the same as in the time of Ayuthaya Kingdom. Building, Architecture, Languague changed. I believe if I can travel into time and go to our old Kingdom. I can not understand what they say and what they think. We are changed.

In the past, Kmer Empire is strongest and advance in this region. We leaned from them, Appliled some of the culture into our own and we surpass them. When the western country come into this region. We learned that we can not win the war with them, even most of our people would like to die to protect our land. But when the war begin we still lose. So Our King learned we can not survive if we choose the make war with British Empire or France. We openned our country and learned from them. We changed our way of life, Law, and accept western civilisation and we survived from colonized by the western, Not by war but diplomacy and adapted.

Empire rise and fall, Kingdom rise and collapse. Our Kingdom collapsed many time. But we learned how to stand up again. We are not attached to the past and dream to it. We create a new Kingdom, Live in a new Kingdom, learn and develop. That is the way of life.

crew, don't listen to this thai.. he obviously thinks he's better than cambodians..

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Let me ask you a hypothetical question. In the case that Vietnam actually reaches its conniving plan of taking over Cambodia and Laos, what will Thailand do? In the worst case, Thailand can only pray for its existence as well. Get my drift shorty?

Crew,

We do not let Vietnam do like that. We never let vietnam to occupy Khmer or Laos. Your country and Laos are like a buffer state between Thai and Vietnam. That is why we support the Khmer route to fight with Vietnam. And we have been fight with Vietnam in Cambodia soil around 1830-1850. And I belive Vietnam know when they should stop. In the past we never let them across Maekhong River in Cambodia. We never afraid Vietnam. When did they help Hun Sen to get rid of the Khmer Route, They are reach the Thai Border. That is they are across the line. So we did support Khmer Route to fight, even we don't Like the Khmer route. But Khmer Route is a strategic weapon. They are a strogest group in many group in Cambodia to fight with Vietnam.

Do you know why chinese attack Vietnam in 1979? That is a secret negociate between thai army and chinese army to draw some of Vietnam soldier to protect their country from the north. And let we chase them out with proxy war in Cambodia.

I know, Vietnam has ambitious in Laos and Cambodia. But in time, They know their ambitious never reach. Finally, They will be stop.

We never afraid Vietnam.

is that why thailand seek help from china and the u.s? i believe its was pol pot that is allies of china that why china attacked vietnam..its not because of thailand lol..

PhoShizzle, you are miss understand. There have some written from the Thai Army file about that operation. Thai army sent a 1 General and 2 Colonel to talk with chairman Teng and the 3 soldier had to resign from the army in a case of fail. One of that soldier is Colone Chavalit Yongjaiyut (Now a General and Ex-Thai Prime minister). At that time Chinese can not help Khmer route if they didn't have any support from Thailand. Do you know, Chinese army let Gen.Chavalit Yongjaiyut shoot the first shell from cannon into the Vietnam army and open the attack.

Belive me I had been read that story. Chinese don't care about to loss Cambodia to Vietnam. But Gen.Chavalit Yongjaiyut explained to Chairman Teng if vietnam can occupied Thailand. That is mean the Soviet influence can bloc the Southern of China. Do you see the Map of South East Asia? What happended to the Chinese strategicif Thailand fall into Soviet influence. At that time we didn't have a formal relation with China. That is why the 3 soldiers had to resign before they went to negotiate with Chairman Teng.

Believe me, The international politic have no real friend. If there have no benefit for their country. They will not help you. Only you are their good friend. They do not use their resouces of their country to help their private friend. If theirs country can not get benefit from that act. We help Khmer because we can not let vietnam to control Cambodia. That is threat to our country security. Chinese never attack Vietnam and loss over 50,000 soldiers because they are your friend. They attack Vietnam because they can not let Soviet to control South East Asia and that was threat to them.

Thailand was so fearful of Vietnamese military might they begged the UN, China and the US to intervene after China was sorely defeated in 1979.

Thailand is lucky that Vietnam, for the sake of regional peace and stability did not invade Thailand as well.

dragonpapafairymama

We are not afraid Vietnam army. But at that time we do not have a weapon more enough like Vietnam army. Vietnam has a lot of weapon to build up their army from Soviet. At that time, Vietnam army is the fouth in the world because they got a free weapon from Soviet, but we have to buy from US. We did not have a free weapon like that.

Now, I do not believe Vietnam army still stronger like at that time. They do not have a free weapon now. They have to buy like us. But they are a poor country. Cambodia should not afraid Vietnam at this time. They don't have enoug power to attack Cambodia anymore. Their weapon are very old from the time of cold war.

In 1980s. Vietnam army possed a lot of weapon from Soviet Union. Therefore, Vietnam army are very huge at that time.

But now their weapon are very old. Tank, cannon, aircraft have 30-40 years old and they don't have a new weapon. So their army is not fearful like in the past.