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akiko
[COLOR=purple]I was moved by this movie because I am Japanese.And I wondered how Americans feel it confused.gif Because many Japanese spirit is in this movie ,and that is original and typical things of Japan.Can you agree Busido?
ranmatatsumaru
I live in America (although I wasn't born there) and I really liked The Last Samurai. In fact, it's my favorite film.
I think that bushidō is a great way of life although very dificult to abide by.
Dachink
it was a good movie
Cherry Blossom
I loved it as well. biggrin.gif
chynagongju
I LOVED IT!!! biggrin.gif
DAC
It's a racist movie. It's the white savior shyt where "white is right". They can never go wrong.

$hit, the American soldier travels to Japan, learns the art of samurai within years (while it's learned since birth, early ages), kicks everyone's asses. The Japanese lady and her children ends up falling for him and check this shyt out. He was the one who murdered her husband (their father). NO WAY THIS WILL OCCURED IN LIFE.

It's Hollywood's way to say, fu-k YOU ASIANS!
chynagongju
nooo. You see it wrong. Tom Cruise was never supposed to be the last samurai. The way I see it, Ken Watanabe was the last real samurai. I mean the Emperor changed because of HIM. Not because of some stupid white guy. That just helped the plot line move along.
Ogumo
QUOTE (DAC @ May 12 2004, 11:22 PM)
It's a racist movie. It's the white savior shyt where "white is right". They can never go wrong.

$hit, the American soldier travels to Japan, learns the art of samurai within years (while it's learned since birth, early ages), kicks everyone's asses. The Japanese lady and her children ends up falling for him and check this shyt out. He was the one who murdered her husband (their father). NO WAY THIS WILL OCCURED IN LIFE.

It's Hollywood's way to say, fu-k YOU ASIANS!

Agreed more or less. Though there was one message that I enjoyed in the film "japanese should not forget what they are". I also liked how mr.omura was a japanese traitor and portray as being the enemy.
chynagongju
I saw it as glorifying the Japanese samurai tradition. And honestly, when I left the movie, I had so much more respect for them than I did before. You know the whole Chinese/Japanese conflicts...stuff from the past. Learning more about their culture really changes your line of thought.
Ogumo
QUOTE (chynagongju @ May 12 2004, 11:39 PM)
I saw it as glorifying the Japanese samurai tradition. And honestly, when I left the movie, I had so much more respect for them than I did before. You know the whole Chinese/Japanese conflicts...stuff from the past. Learning more about their culture really changes your line of thought.

Really? You and I looked at the film in a different way then. I saw it show how irrelevant samurai teachings and life were against modern/western life.
RiverPlate4Life
Great movie. Loved it. It was Ken Watanabe's movie, not Tom Cruise's.
chynagongju
I agree with River.

I guess so Ogumo. I never thought of it that way. I saw it as how the Japanese and tradition triumphed over the White "modern" ways. I mean out of complete respect, the soldier at the end disobeyed orders and stopped firing and they all knelt down. That was so moving. I think I cried.
Ogumo
QUOTE (chynagongju @ May 12 2004, 11:57 PM)
I agree with River.

I guess so Ogumo. I never thought of it that way. I saw it as how the Japanese and tradition triumphed over the White "modern" ways. I mean out of complete respect, the soldier at the end disobeyed orders and stopped firing and they all knelt down. That was so moving. I think I cried.

They did not defeat them. They were all slaughtered in the fire of bullets from the heavy rotation stationary guns. Do you remember? Then everyone died except for the white person. The "white modern way" defeated thousand year old japanese ways.

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mean out of complete respect, the soldier at the end disobeyed orders and stopped firing and they all knelt down.


This was my favorite part of the film. For japanese soldiers back then to openly disobey is big a deal. That made a big statement to me. Not only one man the entire battle group did the same. The fact that they had to kill these men that had protected japan for years deeply upset them. All the while mr.Omura was screaming "kill these people!".

Anyway another theme in the film that I enjoyed was how they showed americas true intentions. They simply wanted to exploit japan for their own selfish gain. Much like they do now even to this day.
DaMo
QUOTE (chynagongju @ May 12 2004, 10:57 PM)
I mean out of complete respect, the soldier at the end disobeyed orders and stopped firing and they all knelt down. That was so moving. I think I cried.

That kind of reminds me of the climactic scene in Leonardo DiCaprio's "Man In The Iron Mask"
akiko
In fact,they reminded me of Japanese spirit flowing our culture deeply,although I don't know what Warner Bros.intend to say in this movie.

Having no relations with that,Ken Watanabe is very charming love2.gif2
yayati
I like the message conveyed in the last samurai

only whites get the asian girl and the asian guys are weak and need western technology and training to kill eachother while we take the women.
ejay1
QUOTE (yayati @ May 13 2004, 02:50 AM)
I like the message conveyed in the last samurai

only whites get the asian girl and the asian guys are weak and need western technology and training to kill eachother while we take the women.

Why do you try to portray this movie in a negative way. I almost felt sympathetic for the Japanese people after watching this movie. beerchug.gif
And Kung Pow was a more racist movie.
aznpeople
QUOTE (ranmatatsumaru @ May 12 2004, 06:15 PM)
I live in America (although I wasn't born there) and I really liked The Last Samurai. In fact, it's my favorite film.
I think that bushidō is a great way of life although very dificult to abide by.

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I think that bushidō is a great way of life although very dificult to abide by.


yup yup....


The movie was great.


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And Kung Pow was a more racist movie.



hell yea.....!!! madgo.gif madgo.gif madgo.gif thumbsdown.gif
Shao
It's allright to me. But I like the scene of Japanese soldiers stopping firing and then kowtowing. Also, I'm glad that Hiroyuki Sanada is in the movie. beerchug.gif

Something bothers me... Didn't British and French train Japanese Imeprial Army? I don't remember about American training them.

The scene of Ninja attacking is nice... but why Ninja?
Adee
QUOTE (Shao @ May 13 2004, 10:10 AM)
It's allright to me. But I like the scene of Japanese soldiers stopping firing and then kowtowing. Also, I'm glad that Hiroyuki Sanada is in the movie. beerchug.gif

Something bothers me... Didn't British and French train Japanese Imeprial Army? I don't remember about American training them.

The scene of Ninja attacking is nice... but why Ninja?

I think it was the European who helped modernised the Japanese military. But the Americans forced the Japanese to open up trade. But in Hollywood movies they often distort the story slightly in favour of them. U-571 anyone?

Also think that in real life the Samurais would be a bit more brutal, I think the film kinda glamourize it.
Chinese Pride
The Japanese leading lady was HOT, just too bad White american dog gets to sleep with her. And the hero dies, in the arms of an american.
Bringer_Of_Death
QUOTE (DAC @ May 12 2004, 11:22 PM)
It's a racist movie. It's the white savior shyt where "white is right". They can never go wrong.

$hit, the American soldier travels to Japan, learns the art of samurai within years (while it's learned since birth, early ages), kicks everyone's asses. The Japanese lady and her children ends up falling for him and check this shyt out. He was the one who murdered her husband (their father). NO WAY THIS WILL OCCURED IN LIFE.

It's Hollywood's way to say, fu-k YOU ASIANS!

Well some agreed that the white guy starring Tom Cruise should have died.

And others said that if he did who's going to tell the emperor about Katsumoto?

But in the end the only illogical scene in this movie is the American being alived after the whole samurai army died.
RiverPlate4Life
QUOTE (Chinese Pride @ May 13 2004, 10:41 AM)
The Japanese leading lady was HOT, just too bad White american dog gets to sleep with her. And the hero dies, in the arms of an american.

Simply stunning.
777
QUOTE (RiverPlate4Life @ May 13 2004, 10:38 PM)
QUOTE (Chinese Pride @ May 13 2004, 10:41 AM)
The Japanese leading lady was HOT, just too bad White american dog gets to sleep with her. And the hero dies, in the arms of an american.

Simply stunning.

The stunning thing was that out of all the main male leads in that movie, Tom Cruise the ugliest. Those Japnese were better looking...Tom just looked likea wet dog... embarassedlaugh.gif
tam_ca
favorite movie so far, no wonder people started wanting to learn kendo after they seen that, that is a great movie.
Dachink
it wasn' my favorite movie but it was good
chynagongju
She didn't sleep with him.
Dachink
QUOTE (chynagongju @ May 14 2004, 12:23 AM)
She didn't sleep with him.

HUH? confused.gif
KaToL
QUOTE (DAC @ May 12 2004, 11:22 PM)
It's a racist movie. It's the white savior shyt where "white is right". They can never go wrong.

$hit, the American soldier travels to Japan, learns the art of samurai within years (while it's learned since birth, early ages), kicks everyone's asses. The Japanese lady and her children ends up falling for him and check this shyt out. He was the one who murdered her husband (their father). NO WAY THIS WILL OCCURED IN LIFE.

It's Hollywood's way to say, fu-k YOU ASIANS!

true that!

it's an American film so they gotta make tom cruise the lead character
just like every other hollywood films....making the white man shine

doesn't matter cause I'm the last samurai (haha...jk) asskick.gif-
well, I do look like one when I tie my hair up

It is a good movie...learned a lot
akiko
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It's a racist movie. It's the white savior shyt where "white is right". They can never go wrong.

The existence of Tom Cruise or other Americans is trivial in this movie.Most of observer was moved by another thing,that is,a lifestyle of Samurai.
Ogumo
QUOTE (chynagongju @ May 14 2004, 12:23 AM)
She didn't sleep with him.

You must admit that at the end he had the "we will have hours of sex" look in his eyes.
Dachink
QUOTE (Ogumo @ May 14 2004, 01:21 AM)
QUOTE (chynagongju @ May 14 2004, 12:23 AM)
She didn't sleep with him.

You must admit that at the end he had the "we will have hours of sex" look in his eyes.

hmm I didn't notice that
chynagongju
Me either Ogumo. She was more keeping in her happiness that he wasn't dead.
cloudyski
I heard that the woman lead in the Last Samurai was gorgeous. She's supposed to be some famous model in Japan, too.

I wonder if the cast were not so good looking, if that movie would have done as well.

The Script seems like it would be a typical Hollywood movie script.
chynagongju
I saw her in the series "You Are My Pet" with Takeshi Kaneshiro. It was SO CUTE! She's a great actress.
Dachink
QUOTE (cloudyski @ May 14 2004, 06:49 PM)
I heard that the woman lead in the Last Samurai was gorgeous. She's supposed to be some famous model in Japan, too.

I wonder if the cast were not so good looking, if that movie would have done as well.

The Script seems like it would be a typical Hollywood movie script.

I didn't think she looked good icon_neutral.gif
schang_
QUOTE (Dachinese @ May 14 2004, 07:24 PM)
QUOTE (cloudyski @ May 14 2004, 06:49 PM)
I heard that the woman lead in the Last Samurai was gorgeous.  She's supposed to be some famous model in Japan, too.

I wonder if the cast were not so good looking, if that movie would have done as well.

The Script seems like it would be a typical Hollywood movie script.

I didn't think she looked good icon_neutral.gif

I agree with you.
Dachink
they should of got Aya Ueto love2.gif or Miwa Oshiro love2.gif that would have been awesome
BananaMaster
QUOTE (akiko @ May 14 2004, 01:16 AM)
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It's a racist movie. It's the white savior shyt where "white is right". They can never go wrong.

The existence of Tom Cruise or other Americans is trivial in this movie.Most of observer was moved by another thing,that is,a lifestyle of Samurai.

If Cruise's existence as you say is trivial in the movie, then explain why he's in the movie period and why he's portrayed as the "last samurai" at the end? It's rather obvious that Cruise becomes the last samurai (who is caucasion, aka a white American) and wins over the respect of those "barbaric" Japanese. The film could've had a more dramatic and wonderfully composed ending if Algren was dead and Katsumoto was alive to present the sword to the "puppet" Japanese emperor. I smell the stench of Western modernization and domination in this film, yuck.
Dachink
mmmm Bananas.....
BananaMaster
QUOTE (Dachinese @ May 14 2004, 08:55 PM)
mmmm Bananas.....

Hands off fOO eek.gif
chynagongju
BananaMaster--I kind of explained why I thought it wasn't like that in an earlier post on the first page...read that and tell me what you think. biggrin.gif
BananaMaster
My question was not directed towards you--but towards akiko. I would rather have his opinion than yours.
akiko
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explain why he's portrayed as the "last samurai" at the end?

The "Last Samurai"is not Algren,but undoubtedly Katsumoto.Because of his death,he could be only hero in this movie.Do you know there was a textbook for Samurai ,nemed HAGAKURE,in Japan?It begins from this sentence, "Busido is to die"Algren remained to live,despite he could not overcome the enemy,all of his comrade died.His way is not Busido.
akiko
by the way, I am female cry2.gif ,banana.
BananaMaster
QUOTE (akiko @ May 15 2004, 08:06 AM)
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explain why he's portrayed as the "last samurai" at the end?

The "Last Samurai"is not Algren,but undoubtedly Katsumoto.Because of his death,he could be only hero in this movie.Do you know there was a textbook for Samurai ,nemed HAGAKURE,in Japan?It begins from this sentence, "Busido is to die"Algren remained to live,despite he could not overcome the enemy,all of his comrade died.His way is not Busido.

Interesting point. However, most American audiences will be quite ignorant of the book Hagakure or even the word, "Bushido," thus their only perception of the movie might be to recognize Algren as the Last Samurai, while Katsumoto is just another character who met a heroic death. And no, I haven't read those books, which means I'm a little ignorant in this respect. icon_confused.gif

BTW, I'm a male, Akiko. cry2.gif
Cherry Blossom
QUOTE (BananaMaster @ May 14 2004, 08:53 PM)
If Cruise's existence as you say is trivial in the movie, then explain why he's in the movie period


Because he $$produced$$ it and it was his "oscar" vehicle. The movie was told through his diaries.... I had to turn a "blind" eye to Tom the diva being in the movie but the other actors overshadowed him.

Thank goodness Ken got a nom out of it.


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I smell the stench of Western modernization and domination in this film, yuck.


Yeah, the movie was directed and produced by Americans and was based on "Dances with wolves" staring Kevin Costner. Same white man befriends the "natives" and "natives" die with the white man type movie.
chynagongju
QUOTE (BananaMaster @ May 15 2004, 03:13 AM)
My question was not directed towards you--but towards akiko. I would rather have his opinion than yours.

WOW attitude. I was just trying to help you out. Jeez. If you don't want to read it don't. I wasn't trying to make you pissed or anything. wow... icon_confused.gif
BananaMaster
lol, I think I was being (or trying to be) a little sarcastic. icon_wink.gif
JunKun
I liked the movie it's my fave movie so far. I viewed it the same way as Chyna and Akiko.
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