@ Tinman and Suijen -We are sorry for pinkifying ur gun clan, please accept this as a peace offering.......

... you dont give me presents like that

^I am sorry ...........here u go

She probably google-searched it as well ^^

I like a girl who can use google

thank you jess ^^

*Imagines Jess typing in 'Japanese Latex Porno' on google*

You imagine wrong I am afraid

How about the words, 'Japanese, Porn, Spy, Role-Playing, DVD, now. now, NOW'?

i was thinking she went to my computer and opened my videos to get the front cover of her films

well wotever thats supposed to mean but off topic u have a big mouth......

All the better to ____ u with

We were talking about the merits of 6.8 SPC also...

I want a XM-8

thats the best i could come up with

@Metier9- msn u later got uni

ok Missy

I accept your offering as I can see that it is from your heart. I hope you will accept my apology for exploding testosterone bombs in the girls clan. I will be sending some Nair to help with the excess hair.

Damn your magic has over powered me yet again.

poor suijen

Loading up the paladin with airburst rounds. This time camaflouge paint aersol dispersal rounds. The girls clan is way to pink.
50 rounds should do it. comence fire, salvo.

Let's talk about the Guns listed on top and their roles.

Pistols: Pistols are personal weapons. They are lighter and less inconspicuous than SMGs and Rifles, and they have less firepower. However, for their roles in home defense they are top choice.

A Revolver (anything .357 or lighter).

Revolvers are known for having less moving parts than semi-autos, and thus more reliable. However, they usually carry less rounds, usually 6-7 rounds. However, for home defense, this is more than enough. .357 is a reasonable round with more than enough firepower to stop a guy in his tracks.

A Semi-automatic Pistol (Glock 17, Colt SOCOM)

Semi-automatic pistols, like glocks, are designed for active combat. In such, it's more important to have a long ammo clip and low recoil than power as in revolvers. Used by special forces all over the world, semi-auto pistols are the standard for most combat situations.

Burst-fire/Full Auto Pistol (Glock 18)

Available only to law enforcement/paramilitary, the Glock 18 can carry over 30 rounds per clip and fire them in a burst-fire, almost full auto fashion. This is, in essence, the lowest recoil SMG possible, and the size of a pistol. Very nice.

Heavy Revolver (anything .44 or higher)

The most powerful handguns are revolvers. Though some semi-autos like the Deagles can carry very heavy rounds, the revolvers carry the .500 S & W. Pistols with power more than .44 have little practical purpose, as home defense does not require such firepower and for situations that require more power, there are rifles automatically available.

Single Action Revolver (Peacekeeper)

These are classic guns from a bygone time. Although not as popular and widespread as before, they make fine collector items.

Compact Pistol

In times when stealth and portability are required, the compact pistol is the best choice. Smaller than regular pistols, compact pistols usually carry less ammo but can have enough firepower/ammunition to get the job done.

For extreme accuracy single shot pistols rock.
Same with rifles . But the bolt action is next in line for accuracy.
for pure fun semi auto 22 cal pistol or rifle.

Shotguns and SMGs: Like all weapons, these guns have their own roles to carry also. Remember, the best guns are guns that are designed for the situation. There is no end all perfect firearm ideal for all situations.

Shotguns basically fire many tiny pellets at the a spread area. However, these pellets are very heavy and are capable of thoroughly ruining anyone's day. Shotgun rounds are measured in guages, from 10 to 20, ten being the most powerful and more concentrated and 20 more widespread and less powerful (quail hunting). Most shotguns use derivatives of the 12 guage. A shotgun's main purpose is to compensate for lack of aim. It's large spread makes it ideal to target a moving object or something that would otherwise be able to dodge a bullet. Shotguns are very powerful, and are surprisingly versatile. Shotgun rounds can be magnum single shot rounds, non-lethal beanbag rounds, or even flame throwing rounds. They are best used for hunting or for home defense, for destroying locks or for CQC spread combat. They are rarely used in hostage situations for obvious reasons of spread.

One of the main disadvatanges of a semi-auto pistol is that the rate of fire is quite slow, and in split second situations, the more bullets shot out, the better. This is the role of the SMG. It is basically like a full-auto pistol.
However, unlike rifles, the bullets of the SMG are as weak as pistol bullets. Thus, they are terrible for ranged combat, but the best choice for close quarters combat. Many smgs cannot defeat armor, but because of their high rate of fire and lower recoil, they are the best choice for SWAT and urban combat.

Micro SMG (Uzi, Ingram)

The Uzi is a very popular SMG because of it's compact size. It is about the size of a large revolver, and though it's inaccurate and weak, it's size makes if very attractive.

Regular SMG (MP5, FN P90,etc)

MP5s are very popular SMGs, mainly because of it's reliability and flexibility. It can be augmented with a silencer, and can use 9x19 standard pistol power or the powerful 10 mm round.

The FN P90 is an experimental SMG that fires bullets that can pierce up to IIA armor. Usually SMG bullets, like semi-auto pistol bullets, cannot defeat and pierce body armor. The FN P90 can, and at half the recoil of a 5.56x45. However, against flesh it is not as deadly as a regular SMG.

Pump Action Shotgun (Remington 870)

Pump action shotguns require the user to actually pump the shotgun to get rid of the spent case and input a new one. Pump actions are popular because they are flexible. Switching between ammunitions types is quite simple.

Gas Shotgun/Recoil Inertia (Benelli m3, Saiga 12K, Spas 12)

These shotguns have a system that automatically pump out the spent cartridge. This allows for rapid fire of shells in quick secession.

Just to let everyone know, if you would like to suggest something or correct something, let me know.

Rifles are designed to engage an enemy at long distances, above 100 meters, usually above the SMG kill range.
Most Assault Rifles theoretically can be shot at fully automatic. However, fully automatic shots are wasteful especially from long distances, and the recoil of a rifle is far too much. Many AR can pierce through basic low level armor, and will seriously mess a person up with one shot. For best use, fire ARs from a far distance in a semi-auto fashion.

Marksmen's Rifle (Dragunov SVD)

The role of a marksmen is to extend his squad's range furthur from about 200 meters to about 600. Marksmen rifles are designed to have about a semi-automatic firing speed with a reasonable ammo size. Though they are more accurate than AR, they are nowhere as accurate as true sniper rifles. They are built for mobility and marksmen actually move with their squads.

Precision Sniper Rifle (Accuracy International Artic Warfare)

These sniper rifles are usually bolt action and require the user to manually discharge the old case and input the new one. These have limited ammo sizes (since the sniper is usually lying down and large ammo clips are annoying) and are designed to take a target out from hundreds of meters away. Snipers usually work in teams and are usually involved in the company level. They do not move with the squad, and usually sit in one spot and cap at "important" enemies like officers. They are designed for precision, and thus have low rates of fire and small clip sizes.

Anti-Material Rifle (Barret M90)

Anti-material rifles are super-powered rifles designed to kill a driver or operator who is behind something, such as a door or window. They have lows rates of fire and low clip rounds.

5.56x45 Class Assault Rifle (M161A2, M4A1, Steyr AUG)

After the USSR's succesful development of the AK-47, NATO decided to create their own AR, and they made the FN FAL, which used 7.62x51 NATO standard. However, these rounds were far too powerful, and burst fire with these weapons were tough cookies. NATO soon adopted the 5.56x45 round, which had less recoil than the 7.62x51 but had questionable killing power. It was soon discovered, however, that 5.56x45 fragmented and exploded within the gut, which increased the lethality of the round. The early M16s and M4s used in the Vietnam war were unreliable, but current rifles usually take care of the bug issues. 5.56x45 has less range than 7.62x39 and less kinetic energy, but also much less recoil. It's armor piercing ability is not very good. These class of weapons may soon get an upgrade to 6.8 SPC, a round with more recoil but a lot more killing power.

7.62x39(51) Class Assault Rifle (FN SCAR, AK-47)

The Russian development of the AK-47 was a breakthrough in weaponary combat. Sturdy, reliable, cheap to produce, and powerful the AK-47 is one of the most popular weapons in the world. Although few Western nations use the 7.62x39 class round, AK class weapons are still extremely popular in third world countries.

Light Machine Gun (FN M.249, M60)

The role of a light machine gun is to provide suppressive support fire. Light Squad Assault Weapons are designed to provide a blanket fire to allow the squad to move forward while the enemy is pinned down. LMGs usually come with a tripod.

hi suijen & tinman! LOL..

As one can see, there is no overall best weapon to use in combat. The best weapon to use depends entirely on what your goal is. Using an AR in close quarters can be incredibly awkward, and SMGs are pretty much useless after 200 meters.

In retrospect, one of the best rifles could very well be the FN SCAR, only because it can change from 5.56x45 rounds to 7.62x39/45 rounds and thus adapt to a situation.

Or the best SMG could be an MP5, with it's ability to use light 9x19 rounds or when required, use heavier 10 mm rounds.

Or, the best weapon may simply be the compact pistol or the uzi, simply because of their compactness.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THOSE GUYS GUNS

PLEASE DO NOT GO OFF TOPIC, any further off-topics will be resulted in warnings and closing of this thread.

Thank you so much.

Depending on what you want to do, even a well made air rifle can be an enjoyable weapon to shoot. An air rifle or pistol has very low recoil. They are a perfect choice for teaching a beginner the basics of handling a fire arm. Too often you have people invest in a large bore weapon. This results in people learning to flinch every time they pull the trigger.
RWS is the manufacturer I would recommend for air rifles. Sweet guns very very accurate. Oh so many birds have fallen prey to the wicked air rifle. ohhhh whoops sorry .
RWS is the big boys pellet gun.
22 cal. weapons are next up for training purposes. Although the single shot 22 cal. was once found everywhere tis no more. A sad sigh escapes my lips. Now we have marlins and savage made bolt actions. hmmm an angry sigh . Garbage, garbage and more garbage still. Find an old Remington bolt action and but that instead.
Ruger makes an excellent target pistol in 22 cal. Ruger is great you have a variety. revolver, or semi auto.
Thank you this was today's edition of :
Tinmans gun shop for Novices.
Stay tuned tomorrow Tinman will talk about an old favorite topic of his. SHOT GUNS and trap shooting for Bats.
Oh hell who can wait so long.
Trap shooting for bats has been around since rednecks and shotguns first became acquainted. Yes I know the environmentalists are cringing and biting at their nails just thinking about their furry little flying rats getting hosed by shotguns. First of all the ground rules. No shooting each other... That's it.
What you will need.
1. A farm with a slurry system is the best place to go.
2. Friends, Its no fun if you are by yourself
3. Safe shooters always wear ear plugs and eye protection
4. Lots of shells in the gauge you are shooting of course. ( I recommend 12 gauge #7 shot)
5 A good shot gun.
Now many of you subscribers may ask Why is the gun not #1 on the list?
Well its simple.Without the first 4 there is no point what so ever in going.
Ok we are posted above the slurry system and it is dusk. For you fellow rednecks Dusk = Damn near dark.
Hmmmm the bugs are getting thick. Perfect. Bugs are the bat bait.Yes the bats have picked up the scent and are moving in. In anticipation we have already loaded our trusty shotguns with 7 shot. Our smiles are apparent hehehe. Man closest to the $hit pond yells pull. At this point rules can very depending on the breed of red neck. Northern rednecks are a more rule based breed. We may designate the shooting order.
example:
1. Rancid
2. Mort
3. Doggie
4. Rufus
Where as southern rednecks its a free for all slap each others back and pass the beer and god damn lets kill some bats jamboree.
I would love to be able to tell you how to lead the bat or list the best way to dust his furry rat like @$$. But the trouble is no one has yet to figure it out. They defy all laws of shotgunning technique. In a normal evening of Bat slaying you can expect to shoot between 20 and 100 rounds to kill 2 or 3 bats. Now folks. Mounting of a bat is nearly impossible. There just isn't enough left to stuff. But don't get up set. There are plenty of other varmints we can mount.
Until next time folks this is the Tin man from NE USA home of the world famous Noxen rattle snake round up signing off.

.22LR probably wouldn't be good for self-defense though. The bullets are weak and non-lethal unless shot at a critical area.

Maybe in that sense they are good for defense.

a 22 cal in the house especially a semi auto can be good. 12 quick hits in the body your prowler is done for sure.
Remember the 22 cal is a favorite weapon of hit men around the world. a double tap in the head . The 22 cal. bounces around in the skull jellifying grey matter. Normally the slug is so deformed that ballistics are nearly impossible
But you arecorrect if I were to engage in a gun fight I would want a 45 acp on my hip..

I think that since it's non-lethal that's what makes it so attractive. Easier on your conscience.

I think it would be cool to have 1 of those bean bag guns
I would be forced to shoot a redneck friend to test it. hahaha They may be rednecks but they sure do forgive you in a hurry.

Pump Action shotguns can fire non-lethal bean bag rounds right?

I dont know. But I saw that one in the movie with the rock. The run down. I have wanted one ever sence.
I want to shoot my friends with it. hahahaha
Hmm Not my closest friends, just my redneck friends. They will love me for it. They will be able to brag. yeeeeep I got shot today. Sumb!tch nailed me in ma chest. God damn look at this $hit . As he shows the bruise. Suijen that would be a kodak moment....

I mentioned the versatility of shotguns. Large bore shotguns are great. They can fire magnum rounds, and have you heard of Dragon Breath rounds? They cost about $20 a round but fire a stream of phosphorous at up to 200 meters for 2-3 seconds.

Sounds awesome and now I need maybe 10 rounds hahahahaha
Suijen as my editor you never told me what you thought about my article on trap shooting for bats

I must have missed it. Where is it?

That's $200 bones man.

post today at 3 : 30
200 bones of holy $hit fun suijen. Its only money I'll make some more tomorow.

Ah you editted your posts. Warn me next time.


lol, you guys are crazy! Shooting at bats at dusk. Well, for editting purposes, you'd have to explain slurry.

Why are you using 12 guage instead of 20? You don't use 20 for small game? Or is it too much spread and too easy?

Slurry is what come out of an animals backside I think?

Its a matter of preferance. a 12 has more shot and possibly greater kill range. Slurry system= a manure pond used for liquid manure injection or spreading manure watered down to make it a liquid rather than a solid. There are some big advantages to that v.s old school honey wagons hehehehe.
I don't trap shoot for bats anymore as I have learned how much good they actually do. I will how ever still officiate over the shoot. hahahaha

Wheres the hardcore gun porn at??? Sephy u hogging it all?

I only go for Dragunov pictures. So far I have seen none.

mmm gimme!!!!

That looks like something our of Halo?

Do the guns in halo really exist (the human ones of course) or are they made up. Are there many computer games in which they use real guns?

the XM-8 is heckler and kosh (HK)

That does look pretty useful. Would be cooler if you could change the rounds also.